New SOF weapons and equipment.

[PvtPyle]

Looks like SOF is getting a whole new set of weapons and LBE. Did not have pics of the SCAR...

http://64.119.183.117/individual%20sub%20bag.JPG

Anyone yet have this gear and figure out how it works?

Got it from www.fbmginc.com Main page, follow the link.

[TacoDelRio]

Looks kinda similar to issue SDS (Specialty Defense Systems) gear. I guess the thing on the bottom is a yoke/harness or some shoulder holster dealy.

[DTTO]

As far as "how it works".. what do you mean by that? The functionality of the (many)different items, the attachment sytem or the ?¿?¿?

I think the guys on the other site you posted on got all of your other questions anwsered for you.

MrSkorotsnoy; it's Eagle gear.

S.

[DTTO]

double tap, sorry.

S.

[thatguy96]

The ".300 WinMag rifle" looks a lot like an upgraded M40A3, and there has been some throwing around of the Mk 13 Mod 0/1 designations, so that could possibly be it.

[PvtPyle]

I am not desert dude. But the site hosting them is mine.

I spoke with Eagle today and they are not making the entire kit. It is comprised of pieces from various companies. Eagle parts have their little green Tyvek tag on them, which most of the pouches do.

We are waiting to get a complete packing list and instructions for the little do dads and straps. Hopefully they can tell us who is making the various pieces too.

THere are LOTS of little snaps and straps with the various LBEs. Some of them are quite obvious in how they work, others are not.


MK-13 is the designation given the 300 win mag by Crane. I am not sure yet what the Army will call it, or when they will begin fielding them to the Groups. It is a slightly beefed up M40/M24. The rail system is probably going to change for the 300 Win rifles. The front of the rail vibrates heavily when fired and has caused damage to the optics in the field. Crane was unclear how they were changing the rail to make it more stable but not greatly increase weight.

[thatguy96]

Is the Mk 13 based on either the M40 or M24? Is it still a Remington 700 action? Also, the Army has been known to use the Navy's designation system in certain cases.

[DTTO]

I am not desert dude. But the site hosting them is mine.

I spoke with Eagle today and they are not making the entire kit. It is comprised of pieces from various companies. Eagle parts have their little green Tyvek tag on them, which most of the pouches do.

We are waiting to get a complete packing list and instructions for the little do dads and straps. Hopefully they can tell us who is making the various pieces too.

THere are LOTS of little snaps and straps with the various LBEs. Some of them are quite obvious in how they work, others are not.


But you do know each other? ... you posted 4 minutes apart, with almost the exact same text and picture... :| .

What part of the kit is not made by Eagle?
And if you ever get a detailed instruction set on a piece of gear from a manufacturer... that must be a first.. ever ;)
(... Paraclete did have a good video how to put your RAV back together though...)

Let us know what exactly you can't figure out about all the straps.

S.

[PvtPyle]

Yes we know each other. Thats why he knew I had loaded the page on my site. I also posted it on several other pages around the same time frame. Mine have exactly the same text.

The plate carrier, stretcher bag and a number of the medium and large pouches are not labled with the Eagle tag. They dont have any tag.

I am not holding my breath about getting instructions either. Does Paraclete include that with their armor? We are about to get ours and someone is bound to pull it apart.

They will probably keep the Navy designation on the MK-13. They are reportedly keeping it on the other weapons except the M134 (which is already in the system).

[DTTO]

Hehehe... gotta see if the damn thing works right ;)

Just checked and it's still on their site, under vests, right at the top of the screen. "Releaseable Vest Instructional Video".
Be advised: Large download> 86MB.

Any particular reason for going with the RAV in stead of the CIRAS?

S.

[PvtPyle]

I am not even sure exactly which one it is. We wont know until it hits. I know it has the quick release and the zippered front. That doesn't narrow it down much.

[RGRBOX]

Looked like Paraclete to me... could be a good mix of stuff..

[crazyman]

everyone at ft lewis, SF or not is getting that sometime this fall/winter

[Aerosoul]

Anyone know where that new SEAL sniper rifle can be found online? IIRC it was a SIG designed especially for the SEAL teams.

[DTTO]

PvtPyle, you said it, it doesn't... ;) Keep me posted on what you end up getting.
Did the download work? If not I can send you a hard copy if you need it.
Did you get in contact with allied industries?

Crazyman, I highly doubt they are equipping everybody at Lewis with these bags full of cordura goodness. Weren't there like 20.000 + AD troops stationed there? What are you basing that on? Did I mis a contract?

S.

[D.E. Watters]

Is the Mk 13 based on either the M40 or M24? Is it still a Remington 700 action?

Crane's pre-designation .300 Win Mag rifles used Rem 700 actions. The cartridge demands a long action.


The .300 WinMag is a modified Remington model 700 with a Remington trigger, a 1 in 10” twist chrome moly barrel, a McMillan fiberglass stock, a Leupold 10X scope, a Harris bipod, a cleaning rod and guide, and an aluminum case. The rifle is capable of 0.5 MOA accuracy with Mk 248 ammo.

I take it the rail system shown on the FMBG page is the McCann MIRS and not the Remington MARS?

[moughoun]

Anyone know where that new SEAL sniper rifle can be found online? IIRC it was a SIG designed especially for the SEAL teams.

the new .50 cal one?, that's by accuracy international

[Aerosoul]

Ahh **** that's right.

[crazyman]

word is (from a civilian in CIF) that the three SBCT's, 2d batt and 1st SFG are all going to get issued some new setup to replace what we all have now...molle II, LBV's, whatever the heck 1st grp uses, etc etc. we're all gonna have the same stuff. heard the same thing in a few other places...but when the guy who runs CIF tells you that, its pretty solid.

[rokdoc]

I wouldn't put it past them to be fielding the UCP gear to you guys first. Maybe it's time for me to reup and head to Lewis.

[crazyman]

seems like the SBCT's are the brass's fair haired kids lately, so we're getting a lot of fun stuff. or maybe its just a ft lewis thing, this place really does seem to do things better. anyone whos stayed here, then gone just about anywhere else will tell you standard of living, food, etc is just plain better at lewis

[rokdoc]

I was there for a grand total of two weeks, in transit. I wish I could get back, but I work at Natick labs right now. They take a guy who WANTS field time, and stick him in an office developing new ****. :bash:

[PvtPyle]

Ahhh, someone who is in the lions den. Any chance there is a packing list and manual for this thing?

And maybe you can find out who the idiot is that convinced them that the zipper on the new uniform was a good idea...... ;)

[AlexNenadic]

The Army SF have M24s chambered in 300 winmag already.

[crazyman]

hell from what ive seen here the green beanies have just about whatever they feel like getting. buddy of mine is a weapons sgt, ran a range once and gave me a call, they had rows of weapons i couldnt even name set up. helluva way to run a range.

[Sabre]

Bloody hell, you'd have a job moving in all that kit before you even put owt in it! :|

What's wrong with some belt kit?

[Baboonass]

Is the Mk 13 based on either the M40 or M24? Is it still a Remington 700 action?

Crane's pre-designation .300 Win Mag rifles used Rem 700 actions. The cartridge demands a long action.

?

Crane Naval Weapons Systems.

Read Naval.

Hence, the MK prefix.

FYI

[Baboonass]

Bloody hell, you'd have a job moving in all that kit before you even put owt in it! :|

What's wrong with some belt kit?


Different missions, different times. Vietnam era SEAL had just about that, a belt kit, maybe a home made vest to carry mags, captured ChiCom chest rig, etc..

Now, the job is less AO specific, have to be ready for any environment, anywere, any time. Might have to be in the field for a couple of weeks, might only be a 2 klick hump.

The more technology grows, the more crap we have to carry around.

Then again, the mission may require very little gear.

It just depends.

Besides, you get used to carring all that **** around after a while, no biggie.

[rokdoc]

Ahhh, someone who is in the lions den. Any chance there is a packing list and manual for this thing?

And maybe you can find out who the idiot is that convinced them that the zipper on the new uniform was a good idea...... ;)

I know exactly who thought the zipper was a good idea. I also know for a fact that the guys who did the initial wear testing were field grade officers who sit behind desks for 7 hours a day, sipping coffee. But I don't have a clue on the packing list or anything along those lines. I'll keep my eyes open.

[Sabre]

Bloody hell, you'd have a job moving in all that kit before you even put owt in it! :|

What's wrong with some belt kit?


Different missions, different times. Vietnam era SEAL had just about that, a belt kit, maybe a home made vest to carry mags, captured ChiCom chest rig, etc..

Now, the job is less AO specific, have to be ready for any environment, anywere, any time. Might have to be in the field for a couple of weeks, might only be a 2 klick hump.

The more technology grows, the more crap we have to carry around.

Then again, the mission may require very little gear.

It just depends.



I know it's supposed to be flexible, but usually there's some kit you always need. The '2-click hump' could easily become a week in the field if the **** hit the fan, and you need to be prepared for it.
I'm not sure I could quite be arsed to re-jig my kit everytime i went out. I tend to prefer the same belt kit all the time as i know where everything is. Any mission-dependant stuff is usually in the bergen anyway. For a mission requiring little gear, a small grab bag or claymore bag might do, but i wouldn't want to start stripping down my other kit for it. Horses for courses i suppose.



Besides, you get used to carring all that **** around after a while, no biggie.

There's always **** to carry around! Nothing changes in that respect! :lol:

[RecceGuy]

Yeah I agree with Sabre, whatever the mission your basic kit is nearly always the same you just tailor it slightly to your requirements. I do however prefer a good belt kit when I'm on my feet and I wear an assault vest when vehicle born, the bergen however is always the same.

[Baboonass]

Bloody hell, you'd have a job moving in all that kit before you even put owt in it! :|

What's wrong with some belt kit?


Different missions, different times. Vietnam era SEAL had just about that, a belt kit, maybe a home made vest to carry mags, captured ChiCom chest rig, etc..

Now, the job is less AO specific, have to be ready for any environment, anywere, any time. Might have to be in the field for a couple of weeks, might only be a 2 klick hump.

The more technology grows, the more crap we have to carry around.

Then again, the mission may require very little gear.

It just depends.



I know it's supposed to be flexible, but usually there's some kit you always need. The '2-click hump' could easily become a week in the field if the **** hit the fan, and you need to be prepared for it.
I'm not sure I could quite be arsed to re-jig my kit everytime i went out. I tend to prefer the same belt kit all the time as i know where everything is. Any mission-dependant stuff is usually in the bergen anyway. For a mission requiring little gear, a small grab bag or claymore bag might do, but i wouldn't want to start stripping down my other kit for it. Horses for courses i suppose.



Besides, you get used to carring all that **** around after a while, no biggie.

There's always **** to carry around! Nothing changes in that respect! :lol:

I usually carried the same things on my land warfare gear, in basically the same places. I carried a 60 for 5 platoons, so most of my gear was ammo, the rest was water, blow out kit, misc ****, snivel gear, (not much). If I walked point, or sniped, I had a different set of H-gear for M-4 mags, etc.. and added aditional gear like NVGs, etc..

I always, (like everyone in the platoon) had an E&E kit and extra water/food in case things went ot **** and the 2 klick hump turns in to a 2 week E&E course, (BTDT). I get your point and agree, just clairifing that we are speaking off the same page.

I usualy had about 5-6 sets of gear at any given time, but then our missions had to be pretty broad so it was nessesary.

The best gear I had? London Bridge floatation H-gear and the chest rig. I used that for pretty much everything.

We wernt attached to a ruck (Bergen) like most other folks. We used them on occasion, but a 3 day pack, small back pack or whatever was on your gear usually surficed for our mission.

Cold weather ops usually required a large backpack because of the enormous amount of gear needed for the mission.

Anyway, I've babbled long enough.

[Baboonass]

Yeah I agree with Sabre, whatever the mission your basic kit is nearly always the same you just tailor it slightly to your requirements. I do however prefer a good belt kit when I'm on my feet and I wear an assault vest when vehicle born, the bergen however is always the same.

Different missions.

At times we would do the same, other ops might require different gear.

Gear common to all? yes, there is usually an SOP for that. First aid kit? always in the same place for everyone.


I think we are saying the same thing, just having probelms with interpretation.

[Sabre]

I think we're all coming from the same page on this.


We wernt attached to a ruck (Bergen) like most other folks. We used them on occasion, but a 3 day pack, small back pack or whatever was on your gear usually surficed for our mission.

Lucky bugger! Mind you, with all that link needed for the '60 your belt kit and daysack must have weighed enough. With all our kit we tend to reach a minimum of 120lbs in the bergen plus a good 20lbs for the belt kit. Bugging-out with that lot on is not fun. :oops:

[Baboonass]

I think we're all coming from the same page on this.


We wernt attached to a ruck (Bergen) like most other folks. We used them on occasion, but a 3 day pack, small back pack or whatever was on your gear usually surficed for our mission.

Lucky bugger! Mind you, with all that link needed for the '60 your belt kit and daysack must have weighed enough. With all our kit we tend to reach a minimum of 120lbs in the bergen plus a good 20lbs for the belt kit. Bugging-out with that lot on is not fun. :oops:

My standard load out for a 60 was 1000 rounds. I would carry 800 and give 100 rounds each to the guy in front and in back of me. At 7.5 lbs for every 100 rounds, that's 60 lbs in ammo, (132K ?), 18.5 lb weapon, 6 quarts of water, and other misc gear, it got up to around 100 lbs in gear for a standard load out.

Add a ruck and it got a lot worse.

13 years of doing that and my body has taken a beating.


I got a chance to play with the Bergen, it's a lot nicer than the issue U.S. ruck. I still like my Dana pack though.

13 years of doing that.. doing it for 2 years is bad enough. p-)