Advice for future Marine

[German_American]

I am going to the Citadel in South Carolina on August 1st, 04 and I'm doing the Marine option ROTC. I just wanted any advice from anyone who was a knob or Marine and would like to tell me about the experiences they had. Thanks to anyone who replies i apprieciate it.

[USMarine3521]

welcome to the boards!

im only in the Marine DEP so if you have questions regarding MEPS and the enlistment process and stuff i can help you with that. :D

also i know a bit about how to get into the NROTC

have you already been selected for the Marine option NROTC?

[German_American]

Thanks i love reading all the post on this forum i wish i signed up sooner. No, but i have taken all the testings and everything. My Captain told me that i will know if I am selected or not in late February or March. Ever since i can remember I've wanted to be a Marine, but my family was always Navy or Army so they can't really help me out. I want to know as a Marine, what should i focus on so that I can become the best 2nd Lt. I can be when I am out of ROTC. Also as I am waiting for selection is there anything you think I can do to better improve my chances for NROTC. I just want to serve my country and I feel there is no better way then the Corps. Im just curious also about what you love about the Marines. Every Marine I have ever talked to loves the Corps and is forever devoted to it, I want that same devotion that all the Marines give.

[TriggerPuller]

The pride is in just being a Marine. you dont join us to be a cook or Infantry you join to be one of the few, the proud. What you should do to pepare is not ask questions but be out training. NROTC and then OCS will teach you everything you need to know(well almost everything ;). Your first step to becoming an Officer is to cap your I's. Being physically up to the challenge is one thing but the mental aspect is what will make you a Warrior!!

TP

[James]

When you get to the fleet as a 2nd LT, pay attention to your NCOs. They are the backbone of the Corps, and they are the ones who make things happen. Learn from them.

Never stop learning.

Good luck.

[TriggerPuller]

When you get to the fleet as a 2nd LT, pay attention to your NCOs. They are the backbone of the Corps, and they are the ones who make things happen. Learn from them.

Never stop learning.

Good luck.Great point. These young fellas really got to concentrate on whats in front of them now,it's a long haul!!

TP

[NcDeuce]

Wu-Tang!

[LongWayToTheTop]

Good to see you boys serving your country ive got my first Army interview as a Sapper (Combat engineer) on Jan 5th cant wait! woot.

[German_American]

Thanks!! This information is everything I am looking for. I'm learning already, even capped my I's. Well, out to do daily training for the long haul. Thanks again.

[Breacher]

Listen to your NCO's & SNCO's. Learn from them and ASK QUESTIONS, just make sure that as a "boot lieu'y" you don't become naive and get the let people run you....

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NROTC and then OCS will teach you everything you need to know(well almost everything ;).
TP

No it won't, TBS is where the rubber meets the road.

[Tane Angle]

I wasn't a US Marine, but I'd say the NCO thing should be reinforced.

[FallenAngel]

A few things, I checked out West Point, Anapolis, VMI and the Citadel as possible colleges. Granted I didn't go for a variety of reasons, but here's my advice for the immediate future.

Academics. Yes, PT and all that is good, and since ROTC is required at the Citadel (I believe it is. Either there or VMI) you will get your fair share. Being in good physical shape is a must, but as I understand it, the program doesn't let you slacken up hardly. Ergo, Academics is the MOST important thing. The Citadel is one of the top Universities in the nation and you need to keep up to par. It's a univerisity first- remember that.

Girls- as stupid as this sounds...it's true. Go out and date when you can to keep that perspective on life. These are your college years and although you're training to be a Marine, you don't want to forget what it is you're fighting for eh? ;) That plus being in a single-*** enviroment (I think I heard there's no girls there anymore...) constantly really effects how you relate to people outside that "bubble." Again, it's a university first- have your fun when you can.

Keep your **** squared away. This goes without question at that school since you'll get demerits for stuff that isn't where it should be. That plus, living in a dorm now, it's a lot more efficient when everything is neat and tidy. No lost books, papers, pencils, etc. etc. etc. when you need them for a class across campus that starts in 4:37 and counting.

And as been said- ASK QUESTIONS. the only stupid question is the one you don't ask.

[NcDeuce]

Word

[California Joe]

Your studies do come first. They'll bounce you quicker for screwing up academically than anything. I've heard that military schools like VMI, Citadel, Norwich etc. have rigorous academic standards. Good luck. Pay attention. You'll be fine.

[Salty Dog]

i was thinking about applying to norwich, but i thought about it more and i want to be a marine, right after school.

[California Joe]

My best friend from High School went there. Great school. Beautiful country. You should think harder. You have everything to gain with a college degree and nothing to lose. Ask the guys who're serving. Seriously, If I was your dad and you had the grades you'd be going to college. Even if the military will be your full time vocation. You will need a college degree. Not a rant just a concerned for your future boardmember.

Seriously rethink it. The Marines will be there and they will still need you.

[Tane Angle]

California Joe has a good point there. I don't think a Marine can get past SGT without a college degree. Best of luck buddy. Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

[LongWayToTheTop]

Cant get past Sgt? in Australia you can be a WO1 Warrant officer class one/ Sargeant Major with year 10 education, mate education is nothing its skill, hard work, honour, and just loving to serve your country who gives a **** about a Degree. Plus our military is very well trained, the problem with America is they have too many numbers, Australia has a very small military but pretty good weapons, Equipment and some Kick arse training! :D

[California Joe]

Cant get past Sgt? in Australia you can be a WO1 Warrant officer class one/ Sargeant Major with year 10 education, mate education is nothing its skill, hard work, honour, and just loving to serve your country who gives a **** about a Degree. Plus our military is very well trained, the problem with America is they have too many numbers, Australia has a very small military but pretty good weapons, Equipment and some Kick arse training! :D

99% of the people who hire people care about a degree. That's the simple truth. You can have a degree and believe in skill, hard work, honour, and loving to serve your country you simple bastard. Shut the f*ck up if you can't give a kid better advice than you got. Jesus Christ who WOULDN'T want a young person to have a degree. You're not a father are you?

[Ratamacue]

I don't think that's true Tane. There are plenty of career NCO's that have never set foot in a college classroom.

[California Joe]

I don't think that's true Tane. There are plenty of career NCO's that have never set foot in a college classroom.

Alright, get over the "college boy" prejudice right now. In the future you will need a degree to work at McDonalds let alone lead men in combat. As an NCO or commissioned officer. Only the ignorant would claim that knowledge is a bad thing.

[Ratamacue]

Hey man, I have nothing against people who go to college and more education only betters you.

Nevertheless, I'm just stating something that I'm pretty sure of. I don't think you require a college degree to get past SGT in the Marine Corps.

[California Joe]

Hey man, I have nothing against people who go to college and more education only betters you.

Nevertheless, I'm just stating something that I'm pretty sure of. I don't think you require a college degree to get past SGT in the Marine Corps.

I'll kick your ass............. OK, you may be right but for Chrissakes get an education. It's the most important thing you can do. That's not bull****.

[Ratamacue]

Education isn't the most important thing to me. I'll probably get around to college at some time or another but sitting through another 4 years of school isn't something I'd be looking forward to right after high school.

[Vance]

Whoo boy, Joe is on the offensive today...

[California Joe]

Whoo boy, Joe is on the offensive today...

You guys are like family and I'll be goddamned if you end up wounded and out of the service with no college degree living in your Mom's attic. Get your **** together. This is long range thinking. You MUST do this.

[Ratamacue]

Joe, if I was your son you'd have smothered me by now.

[Vance]

Don't worry, I plan to go to college after the Army, hopefully having them pay for it...

[Tane Angle]

Well, I think Joe's just giving some tough love. It's true, Ratamacue. Same throughout the military. Don't know when the regs. changed, but they have. The military prides itself on being more educated on average than Americans on average, and on being one of, if not the, most educated in the world. International Affairs, Middle Eastern Studies, things like that are of real value to the military. I can identify with what Joe said about you guys being like family. There's kind of a brother/son or sister/daughter relationship with some folks on here.

Correct me if I am wrong on any of this, but I think this is the current policy: If one is at the same rank and grade for five years, or fails two major promotion boards, they are involuntarily separated from the Marine Corps. Same for the other branches. Between a CPL with a college degree, even a two-year one, and a CPL who doesn't have a college degree, who do you think they will take? Figure that there isn't a whole lot of variation between CPLs' files after so little time in service. And as one gets up in the SNCO ranks, more education is required.

I hate to say it sometimes guys, but this is the way it is, and the military is a stubborn thing. The policy will only get tougher. There's talk of within the next five or ten years changing the policy to requiring a college degree before enlistment, or involuntary separation for any service member who does not complete at least two years of college within five years of enlisting.

Joe, I appreciate that you're just looking out for them, just watch your blood pressure buddy. ;) I don't want anything bad to happen to any of my fine friends here, including you. Have a good one all, just some thoughts/tough love...

[Ratamacue]

Well, my brother is in a Navy ROTC unit at Colorado University, so there are alot of enlisted men who are going through college to become officers. My point is though, one of the Marines was a Gunny Sergeant (E-7) who had not been to college before that. So...

[California Joe]

You jokers know I'd support you no matter what you do but please think outside the box a little and get your degree if you have the grades in high school. Simple fact of the matter is, Education is the last real discrimination point. You can be any race, fat, thin, ugly, whatever..... but if they put in the SF 171 that you need a college degree to pass cert you don't even get the chance to compete. If Tane or Beowulf are only high school graduates I'd be amazed. Their verbal acumen alone would seem to refute that. I'm just asking you to think hard. That's all.

[Haiw]

Easy to say Joe (both of em lol), but attending university when you don't want to is really a pain in the ass.. I mean, I'm speaking from personal experience here; after I got out of high school it was 2 months before my 17th birthday... I wanna sign up for KCT (Korps Commandotroepen, Dutch SF), but you have to be at least 18 when you start the training, so I can't start there untill january 2005 at the earliest. So I basically got to the choice of taking a ****ty job or going to university. Since I'd hate to serve burgers at a McDonalds or anything I chose to study, but..damn..it turned out to be a bitch.
Since my real 'choice' was KCT I didn't really have any idea what university study to do, and frankly, almost all seemed boring as hell... In the end I chose philosophy simply because it seemed like the study that benefit you most on 'personal development' aspects.
Well, now that I've been doing it for half a year, I can tell you this; starting a study when you don't really want to study blows. Even though the study itself was at least somewhat interesting, studying all day just doesn't work and it's really immensely hard to motivate yourself, and worst of all; since it's not really your 'first choice' the whole studying thing overall will feel rather boring (well, at least...in my case, after already being bored ****less for 6 years in high school).

Anyway, just to summarize things; it might be easy to say from afar "go study first, it's the best thing you can do", but in reality it's not that easy...In my case, even though I met some interesting people and all, it still comes down to me basically throwing away a year without finishing any study at all... (I'm gonna quit after this year, and then look for a way to combine a full-scale PT schedule (since university and big-ass PT turn out to be hard to mix) and earning some sort of a living)

[...]

Well sorry to burst your bubble but alot of things in the military suck and are boring. Guess what you just got to suck it up and get it done. Graduating college was the easiest thing I have done compared to anything I have done in the Marines.

[Haiw]

Well the boring wasn't completely literally...it's just that being bored in the military would be less boring than doing not-so-bad in university. I know it sounds like it doesn't make sense, but it's kinda hard to explain...

[Tane Angle]

Haiw, I can sympathize. I graduated in 1973. So I spent the Vietnam War at a college where it seemed like everyone hated the military and, me being the naive, immature idiot that I was(some would say am p-) ), I was in a rush to get to Vietnam; I wanted to go do my part. I felt like I was wasting my life away in books. Looking back, it was good that I went to school, as I wouldn't have helped anyone by running into Vietnam halfcocked.

Had I been sent to Vietnam before I met all the NCOs and officers I did after the war, I probably would have gotten a lot of people killed, least of all myself. I learned so much from them, I’m not sure I knew much of anything before that. Then again, the more I learn, the more I realize I don’t know much of anything at all.

Like California Joe said, I wish you guys the best of luck and success college or no college, but we're trying to ensure you do have that best of luck and success, and college helps with it. Not that you need us being all fatherly, but it's ingrained in us, I think ;) .

Have a good one all, and just some thoughts...

[FallenAngel]

Then again, the more I learn, the more I realize I don’t know much of anything at all.


Aint that the f*cking truth?

As a current University student, all I can say is that if you're "bored" with learning- you've got some f*cked up priorities. Maybe back in Roman days...or even in Greece....it would be OK to forget school and go into the military as soon as possible- to hell with learning about chemistry.

Well, welcome to the 21st century guys. I do not know how it is in other countries, but in the US- a college degree alone won't garuentee you a good job. You need at least a masters/ doctorate so you can get a pretty decent job to provide for your family: yes, I said family. Y'all honestly think you're going to be a bachelor your whole life? year right. The military- although honorable and glory-filled- pays ****. I, personally, would love to serve my country and I have been considering joining the reserves after college, but it isn't going to be my whole life because I want to be able to provide my family with the best possible. To get that, you need a good job.

Yes, studying can be a pain in the ass- I know. I am a political science major and I simply can not stand calculus (even though I have a thing for numbers, I hate actually doing it.)- but I got to. Why? Because when you come down to it, knowledge equals power. Whenever I hear someone say "Ah, I won't go to college", I just have to shake my head and think "What a f*cking idiot."

Take what Joe says as the universal truth. What have you got to loose by spending four years in a University getting a degree? The Military will still be there when you get out, there will still be wars to fight, and frankly, you'll be better able to serve with a college degree. If you think you know all you need to and continuing your education isn't worth everything you've got- then you have obviously not been educated enough yet.

[ShotOver]

Joe is a cheif, real smart guy... Listen to him.

I'm not going to University, but there is a thing called TAFE here.. it's the second option. It's more trade things such as cooking, electritions, metal work, wood work.. etc. You can get your certificates from there, and then you can go to University.

I'm going to work my arse off in my last year of highschool to gain as many TAFE points (Points needed to take most courses) and then i will have some options, i may hang around, do some certificates and test things out, and not rush into the army right away, or maybe i wont even join the Army. All depends.

But yeah, every person should know Education is the biggest priority of your young life. My brother was a hardcore rebel, and didnt pass year10, 11 or 12 and didnt graduate highschool with a certificate. So hes up **** creek without a paddle.

Err... Don't be a fool, Stay in school :lol:

[Haiw]

It's easy to say 'finish university' when you fairly enjoy it yourself. However, I myself have already been bored ****less for 6 years at hgih school without any challenge at all. Even now at university nothing is really challenging, it's just simply a LOT. Might just be me, but to be honest I can't really give a rats ass whether I can have 3 cars on my lawn when I'm older or not. Anyway, if I'll stay in university for 3 more years, wasting my time time on studying pretty useless stuff anyway (call me arrogant, but as far as I can see there's not much some more years on university can teach me) I'll end up a psychological wreck... Besides you can always still pick up studying later in life.

[Roger Rabbit]

if your bored in school and your not doing the work then your not beneiting anyone least of all yourself. Take a year out from education. Just enjoy yourself, get a job for a bit and what not. Hopefully at the end of that year you'll appreciate the fact that now days having a good education is pretty important and you'll go off to college and what not.

[NcDeuce]

I'm not going to lie...school does suck. :|

[a. enders]

Asked a similar question of my uncle (two tours Vietnam,so far as I know every school the Corps offered,DI).Response was long and.....long.....boiled down to one thing.Simply having the heart to go through it,wanting to be a Marine pretty much no matter what.

And I damn near choked on a Cheetoh DEP4.....Damn your homicidal intent!Damn your racoonish looking thing with elephant nuts!

[James]

I graduated from high school in 1991. I wanted to enlist, but I was only 17 at the time, and my mother forbade me (she was retired U.S. Army herslef...), So, I went to college. I was in Army ROTC. At the end of my sophomore year (June 1993) I decided I needed a change of pace. I had decided at age 7 that I was going to be in the military. After I finished finals, I went to talk to recruiters. What brought me to the USMC infantry instead of the U.S. Army Rangers is another tale... I was honorably discharged in 1997. In 1998 I returned to school and graduated with a B.A. in 1999.

I hope nobody thinks grunts are stupid cannon fodder. That is as far from the truth as anything I can think of, especially today.

Anyway... enlist for a while, but never turn your back on an education, especially if you are able to use the G.I. Bill. I still have half of mine left, and I plan to get a Master's Degree.

[TriggerPuller]

In the Marine Corps if you dont make SSGT(E-6) by 12 tears TIS you are out. If you dont make GYSGT(E-7) by 18 you are out.

TP

[TriggerPuller]

NROTC and then OCS will teach you everything you need to know(well almost everything ;).
TP

No it won't, TBS is where the rubber meets the road. Hey LT that college of yours ever teach you about sarcasm,hence the smiley face! :D

TP

[Magua]

There's not much you can do after you've already submitted an application for the scholarship except pray that you get it. If you don't get it you can opt to be in the NROTC college program (but you gotta pay your own tuition) and earn a 1-3 year Marine option scholarship after a few semesters. This is a lot harder to do. You need high PFT and good grades to be considered.

If you end up not getting an Rotc scholarship you can apply for the Platoon Leaders Course which will send you to OCS for two six week periods or one ten week session while you are still in college. A lot of the Citadel, VMI guys who don't get Rotc scholarships end up doing this. I went to a military college, did 2 years of NROTC trying to get a Marine option scholarship, but went PLC instead. I had to pay my way through college though

[2Sheds_Jackson]

It's essential that you complete some form of higher education. While its' actual worth is questionable, it is a tool employed by "the Man" to separate the wheat from the chaff.

This applies to civilian life and more so to the military. In civilian life, a person without a degree at least has a chance to break through the barrier, poke his head above the unwashed masses, but in the military it's nearly impossible.

Like it or not the military is clearly divided into 2 eternally separate groups, who by regulation must not even socialize outside of work.

The "degree" or lack of it is used to classify people - not test scores, aptitude, intelligence, capability, drive, innovation, determination, fortitude, willingness to work, physical strength, color, race, etc.. The higher ruling class, of course, makes these rules which give them supremacy over the lower class. The lower class must constantly acknowledge their standing as subservient - in all settings both on duty and socially. The lower class will be required to memorize proper conduct when facing the superior so as not to enrage them. Workers must attach some kind of markings to their uniforms to show their hierarchal ranking at all times, so they may more easily taste the bitterness of the lash. The upper class will be referred to by special honorary titles attached solely to the position, not their person. The lower classes will be instructed to salute the rank, not the person - and the lower class will hold that salute until such time as the superior damn well pleases.

You see, the tri-lateral commission purposely keeps higher education costs artificially high, so as to keep the "wrong sort" of people from obtaining a degree. If it were within reach of the common person, it would have no use whatsoever as a means of delineation. Standards of and between colleges and universities are non-existent, and so there can be no objective quantification of a person's demonstrable intelligence or competency simply by verifying that they possess a degree. What it is of course, is a verification of the willingness and ability to pay the price of admission.

So do yourself a favor and do your schoolwork up front. Because you're either going to be one of "us" or one of "them". And you damn sure don't want to be one of them. Er, or was it us that you don't want to be?...

[Guttorm]

Hmmm... I guess I need to start watching some other kind of movies... BEcause in the ones I watch, College in the US is about getting laid as much as possible and pass out drunk at the same time...

SOUNDS LIK FUN! WHERE DO I SIGN!? :D

;)

[11F5S]

It's easy to say 'finish university' when you fairly enjoy it yourself. However, I myself have already been bored ****less for 6 years at high school without any challenge at all.

You weren't challenged? Did you get "straight A's" in all your classes? Did you take all advanced classes? Did you participate in athletics, student government, drama club, debating or other extra-curricular activities.

You get out of high school exactly what you put into it....if you answered no to most of what I mentioned then school didn't waste your time, you
did that on your own. Garbage in, Garbage out! :(


Even now at university nothing is really challenging, it's just simply a LOT.

Switching to a challenging major would solve that situation in a heartbeat.



Might just be me, but to be honest I can't really give a rats ass whether I can have 3 cars on my lawn when I'm older or not. Anyway, if I'll stay in university for 3 more years, wasting my time time on studying pretty useless stuff anyway.

You only have yourself to blame, afterall it is you who chose your major.
Sure some of the required courses may seem useless to you, and they will be if you don't make an effort to learn something from them. Knowlege is power.



(call me arrogant, but as far as I can see there's not much some more years on university can teach me) I'll end up a psychological wreck... Besides you can always still pick up studying later in life

Not arrogant.....ignorant. Professional counseling might help, but in your case it would probably be a waste of time the counselor's time.


As my first team sergeant used to say you will never regret earning a college degree, but you may live to regret not having one.

IMO..This is more true now then ever.

[Haiw]

You weren't challenged? Did you get "straight A's" in all your classes? Did you take all advanced classes? Did you participate in athletics, student government, drama club, debating or other extra-curricular activities.
I could have gotten A's on everything if I had putjust a tiny little bit of effort in it. However since it was all boring as hell I didn't feel like it and I just finished 6 years of atheneum (pretty much gymnasium without latin) with hardly opening a book and 6 years of no homework. I was in the student government (or some equivalent of it), I was in the debate team, and even in an English play... We didn't have a school athletics team or anything like that...


You get out of high school exactly what you put into it....if you answered no to most of what I mentioned then school didn't waste your time, you did that on your own. Garbage in, Garbage out! :(
So I guess that's settled.


Switching to a challenging major would solve that situation in a heartbeat.
Well it's hard to say it's just that it's all just the same 'way' of studying, no matter what you do...and I've BTDT, got the t-shirt, and then still had to put up with it for a long time...


You only have yourself to blame, afterall it is you who chose your major.
Sure some of the required courses may seem useless to you, and they will be if you don't make an effort to learn something from them. Knowlege is power.
I know knowledge is power... Hell, sucking up knowledge that interests me is something I spend a helluva lotta spare time on...


Not arrogant.....ignorant. Professional counseling might help, but in your case it would probably be a waste of time the counselor's time.
BTDT...the school counsel in high school didn't exactely know what to do and basically couldn't tell me anymore than 'do what you deem best'.


As my first team sergeant used to say you will never regret earning a college degree, but you may live to regret not having one.
If the need for a degree ever arises later in life there's still the possibility to get it... when I'm gonna keep torturing myself up here I'm gonna be a burn-out before I reach 20.

Maybe I should explain some things a little more... I was born with an IQ in the 140-150 levels. Though it of course has it advantages when you're 'a little bit quicker' on some things, in my case it basically meant over 10 years of utter boredom and an extreme feeling of usefullness in education. I spent almost all the time on high school either laying down on my desk and daydreaming or chatting with friends... Hell, I haven't opened a single book (well apart from history because I was bored, but I knew pretty much all in that book already anyway) and yet I passed all my exams with ease.

Long story short; studying doesn't hold any value for me... And now for the first time in my life I want to do something I feel good about and really gives me a feeling like I'm actually doing something instead of just living out days that feel totally empty.

[California Joe]

Check out the big brain on Haiw.

[Kriz]

Haiw, the education system in Holland is just to easy. Come to Belgium for a change ;)

[thsf121821]

You deffinitly do not have to have a college degree to get passed Sergant in the USMC, you basically do four years for every rank. You put your time in like everyone else and earn it like everyone else. With rank come privilege and responsibilty. It just takes time and hard work to get to sergant

[11F5S]

How many years did it take you to become a "Sergant in the USMC"
thsf121821?

[TriggerPuller]

How many years did it take you to become a "Sergant in the USMC"
thsf121821? Iam not him but 5 years for me.

TP

[11F5S]

I made sergeant in the Army in under 2 years....and we all knew how to spell it correctly.

[TriggerPuller]

I made sergeant in the Army in under 2 years....and we all knew how to spell it correctly.Beat me too it! LOL
Yeah you Army guys "7 in 7". :D

TP

[USMarine3521]

my recruiter made gunny (e-7) in 7 years, I think that's supposed to be good, there is an article about him on usmc.mil, type "choi" in the search box under MCnews. :)

[TriggerPuller]

my recruiter made gunny (e-7) in 7 years, I think that's supposed to be good, there is an article about him on usmc.mil, type "choi" in the search box under MCnews. :)Office pogue!!!! :D

TP

[Roger Rabbit]

Do you mind if i ask what a 'pogue' is and why its used or when it should be used?

While we're on Marines then if anyone is interested in the novel that inspired Full Metal Jacket then theres an online copy to be found here.

www.short-timers.com/ST2.htm

Theres also a sequal called The Phantom Blooper to be found on the same site.

[11F5S]

Pogue = REMF

[wyrm_142]

Re-addressing the 'degree' un-requirements for NCO rank.

While I was on active duty, as POGUE, in the Air Force (there ya go 11F5S) to make E-8 or higher it was unwriten that you had to have a BS/BA to make rank. All the SNCO's that I worked with on AD did have said 4 year degree. Then again, us spooks are odd...

Here in the guard we're a slight bit different, two of our E-9's don't have any college, but my shop's E-9 has a BS, and 1.5 Masters (his MSSI from JMIC is still in thesis phase).

[NcDeuce]

I made sergeant in the Army in under 2 years....and we all knew how to spell it correctly.

:lol: