Your Opinion On The Iraq War(updated)

[Digital Marine]

Tell me all about your opinion! :)



Have to make a poll about this for school... :)

[Scottie]

edited by a dutch faggot

[Digital Marine]

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[Digital Marine]

edited by a dutch faggot

:lol:

[achilles]

I ASKED YOU VERY KINDLY NOT TO POST

It will just into a big flamewar... i only need the numbers... not everyones opinion :cantbeli:

Well, fair enough, but your poll options cannot fully cover one's opinion on the war.

[Digital Marine]

I ASKED YOU VERY KINDLY NOT TO POST

It will just into a big flamewar... i only need the numbers... not everyones opinion :cantbeli:

Well, fair enough, but your poll options cannot fully cover one's opinion on the war.

just vote other ;)

[WARPIG]

I ASKED YOU VERY KINDLY NOT TO POST

It will just into a big flamewar... i only need the numbers... not everyones opinion :cantbeli:

Well, fair enough, but your poll options cannot fully cover one's opinion on the war.

just vote other ;)

How do you make a post asking for opinion and not want anyone's opinion?

Define legal or illegal. What makes a war illegal and by who's rules? Ask open and undefined questions for this poll and you will get biased results.

Maybe that was the purpose of the poll.

[PhillyMobster]

I ASKED YOU VERY KINDLY NOT TO POST

It will just into a big flamewar... i only need the numbers... not everyones opinion :cantbeli:

Well, fair enough, but your poll options cannot fully cover one's opinion on the war.

just vote other ;)

How do you make a post asking for opinion and not want anyone's opinion?

Define legal or illegal. What makes a war illegal and by who's rules? Ask open and undefined questions for this poll and you will get biased results.

Maybe that was the purpose of the poll.

I fail to see how he doesn't cover the basic feelings of most people in this poll.

[Digital Marine]

Illegal as in.. ''this should have never happened'' and Legal as in '' its good that we're liberating their country''

[mack pl]

Illegal as in.. ''this should have never happened'' and Legal as in '' its good that we're liberating their country''


it has nothing to do with legall, or no...its more about justice war :lol:


anywaay, I think its legll, and i support the troops ;)

[WARPIG]

Illegal as in.. ''this should have never happened'' and Legal as in '' its good that we're liberating their country''


I only need the poll numbers for my school assignment... not a big text with arguments.. ;)

You might as well make up the numbers yourself bro.

You start a thread in the section called Political Discussions and Rants entitled Your opinion on the Iraq War and ask poll questions about whether the war is legal or illegal. I guess if the purpose of the assignment is to get results on slanted poll questions... I guess I'll vote and shut up.

[<Gypsum Fantastic>]

Illegal as in.. ''this should have never happened'' and Legal as in '' its good that we're liberating their country''


I only need the poll numbers for my school assignment... not a big text with arguments.. ;)

Surely you need to justify what is covered by "other".

I've voted other, but as you don't want to know why....

[Digital Marine]

Illegal as in.. ''this should have never happened'' and Legal as in '' its good that we're liberating their country''


I only need the poll numbers for my school assignment... not a big text with arguments.. ;)

Surely you need to justify what is covered by "other".

I've voted other, but as you don't want to know why....

ok ok.... im being a bit lazy.... i just needed the numbers... im gonna change the policy of the thread now p-)

[Aerosoul]

I support 'em obviously. As for "legal." I don't understand the concept of a legal or illegal war. War is war. Justified? Yes, IMO. I used to not think so. But, I feel that given the history we have with Iraq, there was no way around it. Chem weapons or not, he had them at one point. And used them. And I don't give a **** if the initial reasons for WMDs. The world is better off without Hussein ruling.

[Digital Marine]

I support 'em obviously. As for "legal." I don't understand the concept of a legal or illegal war. War is war. Justified? Yes, IMO. I used to not think so. But, I feel that given the history we have with Iraq, there was no way around it. Chem weapons or not, he had them at one point. And used them. And I don't give a f*** if the initial reasons for WMDs. The world is better off without Hussein ruling.

I should have changed Legal/illegal in justified or unjustified... :oops:

[Rictor]

No, legal/illegal is just fine. It was illegal, according to every international law on the books. Now, if you don't acknowledge international law, that's fine, just don't hide behind it when convenient and point out how Saddam violated UN resolutions.

The basic question is: do you want to live in a society of laws between nations, or of naked force. If it's the former, then the laws apply to everyone, even the most powerful. If it is a the latter, then by all means withdraw from the UN (like Buchanan and others have said) and see how far that gets ya.

[vryhpyammoadded]

Support troops
The War is legal

As for justified and unjustified, my personal opinion is that it depends on which, of a number of reasons, we went.

[Pandy]

I need a beer.

[Dennis G]

I have changed my opinion on the war, the same as I have changed my ****** preference.
NOT ONE LITTLE BIT!

"I support the war." comes close to my opinion, but not quite. It is not a war, it is a battle theater in the longest ongoing war in the history of mankind. The war against islamofascism is over halfway through its second millenium and will continue until we smash them, beyond all repair, or they behead us at their leisure.

[CPL Trevoga]

I'm with our boys 110% Is war legal? Who gives a ****, we still alive.

[Weasel]

I don´t support invading forces.

[Frogg]

I don´t support invading forces.

I don't either. How many countries has al Qaeda invaded now? About 70, last report I saw.

As for Iraq? Too bad Saddam invaded Kuwait. Afterall, that's what started this whole thing.

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[DarkCypher]

I don´t support invading forces.

Yeah Germany really did a number on its neighboring countries didn't it?

I supported it to begin with, now I think Iraq is a lost cause.

[Frogg]

No, legal/illegal is just fine. It was illegal, according to every international law on the books. Now, if you don't acknowledge international law, that's fine, just don't hide behind it when convenient and point out how Saddam violated UN resolutions.

The basic question is: do you want to live in a society of laws between nations, or of naked force. If it's the former, then the laws apply to everyone, even the most powerful. If it is a the latter, then by all means withdraw from the UN (like Buchanan and others have said) and see how far that gets ya.

If my memory serves me correctly, there have only been two times any country every went in front of the UN about a war. It was the US both times. I, myself, don't consider it to be illegal (Saddam broke his cease-fire agreement). But, even if you do consider it to be illegal. So what? How many wars have you seen since the UN was formed that weren't provoked by an out and out attack by the other nation? I think practically all of them have been illegal (if you are looking for UN blessing). Including European driven Kosovo.

Also, don't forget.....the UN votes for Iraq probably would have been there if it weren't for Saddam 'buying out' certain Security Council Countries. Maybe the UN is illegal, itself.

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[Conga]

I don't support the troops and the war is illegal.

The US are the ones with WMD

[Digital Marine]

I don't support the troops and the war is illegal.

The US are the ones with WMD

But they don't use it on their own people! ;)

[Ratman]

I don't support the troops and the war is illegal.

The US are the ones with WMD

But they don't use it on their own people! ;)

No, but they sold the know-how to people who use it one their own people.

[Baboonass]

I don't support the troops and the war is illegal.

The US are the ones with WMD

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/germany/cw.htm


http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/germany/nuke.htm


Only because we stopped your country from building your own.

See how that works?

[Aerosoul]

I don't support the troops and the war is illegal.

The US are the ones with WMD

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/germany/cw.htm


http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/germany/nuke.htm


Only because we stopped you country from building your own.

See how that works?

Ouch! :lol:

[Baboonass]

I don't support the troops and the war is illegal.

The US are the ones with WMD

But they don't use it on their own people! ;)

No, but they sold the know-how to people who use it one their own people.


:roll:

[Luno]

I didn’t support the war but it hade to be done, and we cant change the past so i am trying to be positive and the violence will go away but it gone take some time I hope :|

But that just my 50 öre

[Rictor]

No, legal/illegal is just fine. It was illegal, according to every international law on the books. Now, if you don't acknowledge international law, that's fine, just don't hide behind it when convenient and point out how Saddam violated UN resolutions.

The basic question is: do you want to live in a society of laws between nations, or of naked force. If it's the former, then the laws apply to everyone, even the most powerful. If it is a the latter, then by all means withdraw from the UN (like Buchanan and others have said) and see how far that gets ya.

If my memory serves me correctly, there have only been two times any country every went in front of the UN about a war. It was the US both times. I, myself, don't consider it to be illegal (Saddam broke his cease-fire agreement). But, even if you do consider it to be illegal. So what? How many wars have you seen since the UN was formed that weren't provoked by an out and out attack by the other nation? I think practically all of them have been illegal (if you are looking for UN blessing). Including European driven Kosovo.

Also, don't forget.....the UN votes for Iraq probably would have been there if it weren't for Saddam 'buying out' certain Security Council Countries. Maybe the UN is illegal, itself.

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If it's illegal, why don't you remove yourselves from it? If it is worthless, why participate? Either you respect international law, or you don't. I myself am not a hypocrite, and support enforcing international law in all cases, against anyone who happens to break it (assuming that the UN has jurisdiction over that nation, which applies to any nation that is part of the UN. At last count, I think there are maybe one or two countries not covered)

For the record, I was/am as opposed to the Kosovo war as I was to Iraq, since Clinton did the exact same thing Bush did (lied about the pre-war evidence, and failed to obtain Security Council authorization). Furthermore, that particualr war was also illegal under the NATO charter, since no member state was threatened.

By the way, which cease-fire are you talking about when you say that Saddam broke it?

[stoked]

I think this legality question is just politically motivated bullsh*t.

[Conga]

I think this legality question is just politically motivated bullsh*t.

yeah, **** politics, lets just invade other countries. The administration is a bunch of liars but who cares, right? :roll:

[askDNA]

I don't think any war is illegal or legal, but I'm quite confused how Bush is an idealist and a realist at the same time :roll: . Going to war because of Iraq's weapons (realist) and going to war for democratic change (idealist).

[Oddbod]

Right war, wrong reasons.

[roland]

What I hate the most is those that supported the war before it started then don't support it anymore once the sh!t hit the fan. F**** they have absolutelly no clue what war is and push for it ! For some (and a lot of journalists), it' as if they thought: " hey I supported the war, but without dead, and without atrocities, that is not clean, I want a clean war without our boys getting hurt" Needless to say the Iraqi they don't care.
There is a lot like that. I hate those.

I was against the war, my president convinced me that the WMD were unlikelly to exist and if they existed, the UN inspector would find them. Also I thought Bagdad could become like a little Stalingrad. I was completly wrong there. But I think from the beginning that one thing is to enter in Iraq, an other one is to exit. Not much easier. Wasn't so wrong there, well one can't be always wrong.

For sure I wish a US success but franckly that is not clear for me: what would be a success ?

[Conga]

Right war, wrong reasons.

Which one is your favorite:

[ ] Iraq has weapons of mass destruction

[ ] Saddam aids and protects Al-Qaida terrorists

[ ] We have to liberate the iraqi people


:cantbeli:

[Oddbod]

Right war, wrong reasons.

Which one is your favorite:

[ ] Iraq has weapons of mass destruction

[ ] Saddam aids and protects Al-Qaida terrorists

[ ] We have to liberate the iraqi people


:cantbeli:

They'll ALL do as Wrong reasons.

The right reason is that Hussein spent twelve years breaking the terms of the cease-fire & those at the UN didn't care to do anything about it - some because they were making so much money out of the status quo.
The first time a Coalition aircraft was fired on should have signalled the end of Hussein's regime.

[moughoun]

For sure I wish a US success but franckly that is not clear for me: what would be a success ?
x2 on both, if it's democracy,it'll fail IMHO Iraq is one of the most artificial state's on the planet, put together so the British could rule easier, the Kurd's are just biding their time to split and the only way an Iraqi government could keep it together is if it uses decidedly un democratic mean's, a country like that doesn't staytogether through goodwill and hope, it's central government has to be tough, even brutal :|

[Para]

To say the least there are worse run countries than Iraq, there are worse dictators than Saddam, so to say the least I was surprised that the coalition chose to go there. Now having gone there I trust we will stay there until we can leave this country in a better state than we found it.

[ronin2172]

For sure I wish a US success but franckly that is not clear for me: what would be a success ?
x2 on both, if it's democracy,it'll fail IMHO Iraq is one of the most artificial state's on the planet, put together so the British could rule easier, the Kurd's are just biding their time to split and the only way an Iraqi government could keep it together is if it uses decidedly un democratic mean's, a country like that doesn't staytogether through goodwill and hope, it's central government has to be tough, even brutal :|
Excellent post my irish friend, with so many groups at odds with each other in Iraq I really dont see how it can exist in it's current form in the long term.

Do I want US success...of course I do, we have paid too high a price just to cut and run (I am not talking about money either).

As to the war's legality, that is a moot point; we are there now so the only thing that matters is how we get the job done. I'll leave that debate up to future historians....

[mudbunny]

hmmm, how can I sum this up in a short manner? To put it simply I think it was a total clusterf&^k by our incompetent president and his inept administration, and sadly our men and women in the military have been stuck with the bill. I'm former military and it pi$$es me off to the 10th degree. I consider myself a Republican, but in 20 years I think Bush will make Nixon and LBJ look like Abraham Lincoln. It's sad, very sad to say the least.

[supercontra]

It was done in a ****y way from starters. Too few men, no plan for the follow up, too lax rule after the actual invasion due to the above. Stinky planning and lousy intel as well as a lot of wishful thinking from the top brass in the Pentagon and White House. If it had been done properly from the beginning this mess would never have happened.

[RavenW]

Just War, long overdue.

I believe that US should have liberated Iraq in mid 1980s before Saddam gased Kurdish minority.

But better later than never.

[Conga]

I wonder why so many people still trust the US government concerning the war in Iraq after so many lies. Shouldn't people have gotten suspicious about the reasons why America invaded Iraq after it turned out that Saddam neither possesed weapons of mass destruction nor had connections to Al-Qaida?