Question about these nukes and A-bombs.

[Doom]

What are the lines that go into the sky to the left of the mushroom cloud?
http://www.nv.doe.gov/news&pubs/photos&films/Images/photolib/8X10/XX39.JPG

there are some on both sides in this pic too, but most of them are on the left.
http://www.aliciapatterson.org/APF0701/Stranahan/Stranahan01.jpg

[Doom]

I cant get that top link to show, but enter it and see it.

http://www.nv.doe.gov/news&pubs/photos&films/atm.htm this is a site with a bunch of high quality detonation pics.

[Ezra Coli]

The lines are exhaust trails from rockets fired just seconds before the blast to leave a "grid" in the sky, observing the effect of the shock wave and light on the smoke trails sure beats sending the low ranking guy out there to hold a wind sock ;)

You can see 'em in my avatar as well.

[Aerosoul]

Yep. Ask the guy with a mushroom cloud for his avatar.

[GAFES]

rofl

[Pandy]

Yep. Ask the guy with a mushroom cloud for his avatar.

He knows all about nukes. :)

[Ezra Coli]

Here is some further info...

http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/SmokeTrails.html

Shot Tumbler Able was small so you can see the smoke trails better and get the idea:

http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/Tsable1.jpg

The pic in my avatar is from the Upshot Knothole series, its actually the third shot called "Climax":

http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/Ukclimax1a.jpg

The first Upshot Knothole, "Annie":

http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Usa/Tests/Annie331c10.jpg

[Peiper_76]

neato... I always wondered about that. Thanks.

[Aerosoul]

Yeah, ****ing neat.

:|

[Werewolf01]

So what is the biggest surface nuclear detonation ever?

[Ezra Coli]

So what is the biggest surface nuclear detonation ever?

Russians made the Tsar bomba, designed to yield 100mt but tampered down to roughly between 50 and 57mt for testing. Totally impractical as a deployment weapon which is why it got the name tsar bomb, meaning all show, no real use.

Info:
http://nuclearweaponarchive.org/Russia/TsarBomba.html

As for US bombs, scientists started getting a little fidgety when some of the south Pacific tests went up into the 30mt range. You can now buy all of the footage from these tests, it is actually quite interesting stuff, tons of good info on the set ups and building and rigging of the test areas with different climates and materials and building structures and how deep they put sensors, tons of great info. Some of it is very sad to see, but times were different then, and the threats were very real, both the US and Russia had to test not only to see what they could build but to guage the threat, understand the effects and see how to cope with it.

Awesome stories, first hand, of the guys involved is here, and you can buy the videos to support the Atmoic Veterans project:
http://www.aracnet.com/~pdxavets/

[Bia]

Just yesterday I saw some test footage and was wondering what those are.

Makes sense to me....thanks for asking and thanks for answering.

:)

I would love to see some images/footage of the absolute ground zero of the site after the test.....is there any that anyone knows of?
That seems like it would be very odd indeed to see the effect right under the explosion.

[futurepilot2004]

^ just type hiroshima or nagasaki into google to see.

[Raistlin]

I have picks of craters. Otherwise I don't think pictures during the explosion exist since any camera would be just instantly evaporated. Maybe computer simulations?

[Bia]

I have seen the Japanese images.
Those were high altitude air bursts.

What I mean is a clear...color photo of the area right under the test towers where the explosions took place during US tests.
Way after the explosions took place.

To see the effect of the desert floor.

[Ezra Coli]

I would love to see some images/footage of the absolute ground zero of the site after the test.....is there any that anyone knows of?
That seems like it would be very odd indeed to see the effect right under the explosion.

Sedan crater:
http://www.artfaul.com/images/Sedan.JPG

link to the blast that caused it:
http://area51specialprojects.com/images/sedan.jpg

Plumbob serieground zero:
http://www.artfaul.com/images/GroundZ.jpg

The above ground tests are spectacular when they happen, its the underground tests that are spectacular afterward:

http://www.dcnr.nv.gov/graphic/nts0702.jpg

[Raistlin]

This is the only thing I have:

http://s95018925.onlinehome.us/nuke-crater1.jpg
http://s95018925.onlinehome.us/nuke-crater2.jpg
http://s95018925.onlinehome.us/nuke-crater3.jpg

[Bia]

Ezra Coli & Raistlin...

Thanks for showing me those.
Are all from underground tests?

[Raistlin]

http://s95018925.onlinehome.us/nuke-crater2.jpg


Sedan Crater was formed when a 100 kt. Explosive buried under 635 feet of desert alluvium was fired at the NTS on July 6, 1962, displacing 12 million tons of earth. The crater is 320 feet deep and 1,280 feet in diameter.
http://s95018925.onlinehome.us/nuke-crater3.jpg


Most subsidences leave saucer-shaped craters varying in diameter and depth, depending upon the yield, depth of burial, and geology. This is the north end of Yucca Flat. Most tests have been conducted in this valley.
That's as much as I know :(

[Ezra Coli]

Most of the above ground tests left little or no crater, or the craters were covered up with dirt to keep radioactive contamination at a minimum.

The craters usually seen are subsidence craters, actually cave-ins of the bubble caused when the explosion occurred. Being underground most of these blasts were contained, the larger underground blasts sometimes vented off. Some underground tests were conducted to see how well a nuke could form a nicely fused underground chamber to build in or act as tanks/cisterns, most collapsed due to stresses in the rock and strata caused by the blast, but there is a photo out there somewhere of a scientists standing in an underground chasm made by a blast, its enourmous. I'll post the pic if I can locate it, I have it on video for sure. That hole eventually collpased too from all the underground tests in the area.

[Ezra Coli]

Ezra Coli & Raistlin...

Thanks for showing me those.
Are all from underground tests?

Just out of curiousity I took a trip to the Trinity site once, 1994 in fact, in New Mexico. This is where the first atomic bomb was detonated and there are tour to the place now. Since it was a tower shot, there is no crater, and it looks like nothing ever happened. If it were not for a granit obelisk no one would know it was a bomb site. Now of course there is no comparison to the larger bombs later, but most leave no crater or very small craters if they were not underground tests. The atoll test on the other hand left huge crates out in the pacific, with sand instead of bedrock as the ground. I'll see later if I can dig up pics of before and after of some of the impressive ones.

[abncougar]

wow, very interesting...............to say the least

[Abolith]

I thought I had caught the smell of nukes being discussed....

nukes are my specialty :D


here are a few from my album that I posted..

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/abolith

[AFBIH]

http://www.dcnr.nv.gov/graphic/nts0702.jpg

WOW That is a lot of big holes...