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Kingpin
12-22-2003, 06:48 AM
Following pics are photos of decoys made Yugoslavian forces during confilct in Kosovo for NATO pilots. All those decoys later was destroyed and reported by NATO forces as destroyed tanks of yugoslavian army. As for car i suppose there were a lot of such "tanks" in Kosovo during bombing campaign :)

http://www.aeronautics.ru/img001/yugotank01.jpg


A decoy "tank" built using an old Yugo car. It was later destroyed by a precision - guided bomb.

http://www.aeronautics.ru/img002/ainc01.jpg


A W.W.II-era American tank destroyer used as a decoy was successfully attacked by American planes in Kosovo. NATO troops gathered enough similar examples to open a W.W.II tank museum. Some armored vehicles destroyed by NATO in Kosovo have been manufactured in early 1930s.

http://www.aeronautics.ru/img002/ainc02.jpg


Another prehistoric tank example later destroyed by NATO aviation in Yugoslavia.

koster
12-22-2003, 07:40 AM
nice.. do you have any pictures of our T-34s (34/85) in Yugoslavia ?
I only seen 2 or 3, myself, but heard lots of good things about them.

Saranof
12-22-2003, 07:46 AM
Shame to bomb these nice old tanks... :(

Kingpin
12-22-2003, 08:55 AM
nice.. do you have any pictures of our T-34s (34/85) in Yugoslavia ?
I only seen 2 or 3, myself, but heard lots of good things about them.

In SoF magazine (russian edition) i've seen a couple.

Marmot1
12-22-2003, 10:43 AM
well this shermans should go to museum not to battlefield... it is nice tank,btw how u got it in yugoslavia??? after WW2 or during???

Kingpin
12-22-2003, 10:46 AM
When Yugoslavia had tensions with Soviet Unions in 60's NATO supplied some as "help" :) But i suppose it was in Yugoslavia since WW2.

usa320
12-22-2003, 10:49 AM
Shame to bomb these nice old tanks...

Not really, remember they still had guns on them, and they obviously were still mobile if they were scattered about in such a fashion.

Kingpin
12-22-2003, 10:52 AM
Shame to bomb these nice old tanks...

Not really, remember they still had guns on them, and they obviously were still mobile if they were scattered about in such a fashion.

They can be delivered by truck. And yes they have gun but i don't sure about shells availability :)

ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð
12-22-2003, 12:36 PM
That first tank is actually a Toyota Corolla, I think its a 72 or 73...My buddy has one just like it (minus the metal rod threw the window).

Hrvoje
12-22-2003, 02:54 PM
All those decoys later was destroyed and reported by NATO forces as destroyed tanks of yugoslavian army.

They dont look destroyed to me! :roll:

96B
12-22-2003, 03:03 PM
Good way to get rid of old stuff you dont need anymore at the expense of someone else... sometimes my Ford makes me want to blow it up as well.

koster
12-22-2003, 07:55 PM
They can be delivered by truck. And yes they have gun but i don't sure about shells availability
from what I've heard, they were mostly used as machinegun phillboxes (sp?), because there was never enough ammo for the main gun (like you said)
I also heard that Serbs used to put 12,7mm M2 machineguns on top of them, because 7,62 wasn't enough.

REMOV
12-22-2003, 08:08 PM
nice.. do you have any pictures of our T-34s (34/85) in Yugoslavia ?Notice the HMG ;)

http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/_T34_Yug90s.jpg

koster
12-22-2003, 08:18 PM
nice, keep them coming :)

REMOV
12-22-2003, 08:21 PM
Source: http://members.tripod.com/George_Parada/t3485.htm

The story of Serbian T-34/85 (By Todd Wiwczor)

The T-34/85 medium tank in those pictures took part in a battle in about 1994, during the Croatian invasion during "Operation Storm". The vehicle is located on route 'Poker' about 15km northwest of Drvar (where the riots in the Canadian sector took place in April of 1998). The tank belonged to the Bosnian-Serb army and was in a defensive position. The position was located on a bend in the mountain road and over-looked a plateau which was approx. 2 km long by 400-900m wide and was a sure route of advance. According to my information, the vehicle was in a hull down position with the turret over the back deck. The crew could drive down the road to their next dug-in about 500m further down the road with continued observation on the northern half of the plateau and good coverage of the road corners to this position. Also in the area were two BMP-2 infantry vehicles and fire positions for six M-76 76mm mountain guns. The Croatian assault developed much quicker than the Serbs anticipated and was preceded by a short but intense artillery bombardment (anyone looking at a map would peg this as an obvious position for defense). The Croats also sent Mountain Shock troops over the mountain on the side that the tank was dug in. Serb FOO's failed to report this and were quickly over ran. As the bombardment reached its climax (smashing four of the M-76 guns in the process), a group of 20-65? Mountain troops (panic report) rushed down the close side and destroyed one BMP-2 with an Armburst 300 (AT rocket) and caused the other BMP (rear-most position) to flee. The tank crew was already buttoned up because of the artillery. When the first BMP exploded the driver must have panicked and tromped on the gas. Either he wasn't paying attention or the artillery was obstructing his view because he missed his turn and crashed into the muddy embankment, spinning out and not being able to climb due to the mud and trees (and probably too high a gear). The crew then tried to bring their gun to bear (facing the wrong direction! (more panic)). Another AT rocket exploded beside the tank and by this time several of the mountain troops were swarming the tank. The entire crew was killed as they attempted to bail out.

http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/t34/T34_7.jpg
This picture was actually taken between January 18-22 of 1998, before the area received snow (I think it was a nice +11c). The access engine panel and rear panels were open and everything was stripped of working parts. The hill in the background was the one they attempted to climb.

http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/t34/T34_8.jpg
My favorite picture and current wallpaper. If you notice the third and fourth roadwheels are from a T-54/55 series tank, anything that works. That is my driver on the left-hand edge of the picture. Notice his sleeves - nice weather !

http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/t34/T34_9.jpg
We took this one in early May of 1998, while on patrol. The manual traverse must still work or someone stood on the vehicle and hand pushed the barrel. The gentleman on the right was one of our interpreters and was the one who told us the story. He is a Bosnian-Croat, who fought farther North in the Bihac area but since it was his side parts of his story may have been embellished.

koster
12-22-2003, 08:29 PM
Pictures are not showing, mate.

REMOV
12-22-2003, 08:33 PM
Pictures are not showing, mate.Eh, tripod, bandwidth limits, I copied them to another server. Now should work well, check it out.

REMOV
12-22-2003, 08:34 PM
More T-34-85 in 90s, ex-Yugoslavia

http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/t34/T34_2.jpg
http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/t34/T34_3.jpg
http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/t34/T34_4.jpg
http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/t34/T34_5.jpg
This one is called Grom i.e. Thunder.

http://www.militech.sownet.gliwice.pl/inne/t34/T34_6.jpg

koster
12-22-2003, 09:19 PM
Thanks for the pictures, man.

Kingpin
12-23-2003, 01:37 AM
All those decoys later was destroyed and reported by NATO forces as destroyed tanks of yugoslavian army.

They dont look destroyed to me! :roll:

They were photographed BEFORE destruction :) :) :) By people who installed them i suppose