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NcDeuce
12-22-2003, 05:58 PM
Egyptian FM assaulted at Jerusalem mosque compound after talks with Sharon
JERUSALEM (AFP) - Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Maher was released from hospital after being assaulted when he went to pray at Jerusalem's hotly disputed mosque compound after holding talks with top Israeli officials.
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Activists of the Interreligious and International Peace Council demonstrate in favor of peace in front of the Dome of the Rock mosque in Jerusalem's Old City.(AFP/Orel Cohen)
Witnesses said that Muslims praying at the Al-Aqsa mosque compound threw shoes at the minister while he visited the site which is known by Jews as the Temple Mount and is considered holy to both religions.
Rescue workers said that Maher was still conscious but complained of breathing problems as he was being evacuated.
But doctors discharged him after three hours, Israeli state television said, broadcasting live pictures of the minister being driven from the Hadassah hospital on the western outskirts of Jerusalem.
His car headed towards the Ben Gurion airport near Tel Aviv, the television said.
Jerusalem police spokesman Shmulik Ben Rubi said that Maher had been heckled by Palestinians angered by his visit to the site in Jerusalem's old city.
"As he was reaching the entrance to the mosque, crowds of worshippers shouted 'traitor', why are you coming to pray in an occupied land," the spokesman told AFP.
"They tried to attack him throwing shoes at him. He took refuge in a small room in the mosque and was evacuated by police and his own security team."
The crowds chanted "Allahu Akbar!" (God is Great) at the minister, witnesses added.
Television footage showed the 68-year-old minister being manhandled by crowds as he was being evacuated from the scene.
An Israeli foreign ministry spokesman told AFP that the "ministry is looking into the incident in which the Egyptian minister was assaulted by a huge crowd of Muslim worshippers on the mosque's esplanade this afternoon."
Maher was taken to hospital by his entourage, accompanied by his own paramedic, according to medical sources.
The assault drew immediate condemnation from the Palestinian Authority and the militant group Hamas.
"We firmly condemn this kind of action, all the more so that Mr Maher's visit aimed to support our people and put an end to Israel's aggressions," Palestinian negotiations minister Saeb Erakat told AFP.
This act "is contrary to the ethics of the Palestinian people," Said Sayam, a Hamas leader in Gaza City, told reporters.
The intifada broke out in late September 2000 after a controversial visit to the mosque compound by the then Israeli opposition leader and current Prime Minister Ariel Sharon.
Maher was rounding off a one-day visit to Israel that saw him hold talks with Sharon and his opposite number Silvan Shalom.
During the talks, Sharon told Maher that he remained committed to the US-backed "roadmap" peace plan and would respond in kind if Palestinian factions declared a truce.
"I have heard a commitment by Israeli officials to the roadmap, according to which steps have to be taken in parallel by both sides," Maher said.
"I told the prime minister that both parties have engagements to fill in a parallel manner in the roadmap, and he did not disagree."
Maher's visit, his first to Israel in more than two years, came days after Sharon warned he would disengage from the peace process within months if the Palestinians did not start meeting their obligations outlined in the roadmap.
Egyptian intelligence chiefs have been mediating efforts to persuade Palestinian groups such as Hamas to halt their campaign of anti-Israeli attacks.
A source close to Sharon said the prime minister had told Maher that Israel would hold back from major military actions if the mediation succeeded.
"The prime minister made it very clear that he believes in the roadmap for peace," the source told AFP. "It's the only plan that's on the table.
"While Israel is not going to sign any agreement with the terror organisations, he (Sharon) stated that if there's quiet we will respond with quiet. We will refrain from our activity," the source added.
Sharon himself hailed Maher's visit as an opportunity to not only strengthen ties with Egypt but the Palestinian Authority as well.
Meanwhile the Israeli defence establishment was left reeling Monday after a group of soldiers from the army's top commando unit said they would refuse to take part in missions in the Palestinian territories.
But the violence continued Monday evening when two Israeli officers were killed and a Palestinian was shot dead after an attack in the central Gaza Strip, public television reported.
The two Israelis were killed at a junction leading to the Gush Katif settlement.
The latest deaths bring the overall toll since the start of the intifada, including 2,735 Palestinians and 856 Israelis, according to an AFP count.
Meanwhile, members of the elite Sayeret Matkal unit wrote a letter to Sharon saying they would no longer participate in a "rule of oppression" and the defence of Jewish settlements in the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
The army's chief of staff, Moshe Yaalon, said that the 13 reservists would be dismissed if they did not withdraw their names from the petition.
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Javehn
12-22-2003, 06:03 PM
Yes , and we have to make peace with them ...But i am shure as always we will get somehow an attackers from this ..
Allahu Ahbar Allahu Ahbar Allahu hulda
StarvingStudent47
12-22-2003, 07:07 PM
Yeah, those Freedom Fighters(TM) would be peaceful if only Egypt wasn't occupying them. Or something like that. :roll:
rofl rofl
Somebody forgot what king hussian did to them in jordan ?
He219
12-22-2003, 07:58 PM
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"Eat my shoes, traitor! Allahu Akbahhhhhhr!"
Yes , and we have to make peace with them ...But i am shure as always we will get somehow an attackers from this ..
Allahu Ahbar Allahu Ahbar Allahu hulda
would you clarify your last statement? Saying God is Great makes them terrorists?
Seraphim
12-22-2003, 08:12 PM
"Owe! That really hurt! I'm gonna have a lump there, you idiot! Who throws a shoe? Honestly! You fight like a woman!"
Yes , and we have to make peace with them ...But i am shure as always we will get somehow an attackers from this ..
Allahu Ahbar Allahu Ahbar Allahu hulda
would you clarify your last statement? Saying God is Great makes them terrorists?
Ana wazira fill madrasi....
Bilady bilady....
Ana Moalima....
Hmmm..i think that all i am remmber...
Fill free to translate...
Just wanted to see if i rember what my teacher thoght me in school.... rofl
ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð
12-22-2003, 08:29 PM
People get there ass's kicked everyday, but when politicians/government officials are getting beat it makes me happy. :lol:
People get there ass's kicked everyday, but when politicians/government officials are getting beat it makes me happy. :lol:
....didn't get you man...he is from Egept...not from israel...and not from "palstin" as well....
Ana wazira fill madrasi....
Bilady bilady....
Ana Moalima....
Hmmm..i think that all i am remmber...
Fill free to translate...
Just wanted to see if i rember what my teacher thoght me in school.... rofl
Roughly translated :)
I am a minister in my school
my country my country
i am a teacher
---------------------
He wasn't beaten up inside the mosque. They didn't want to let him in and the whole thing happened in the entrance. If you watch the video he was being pulled by his body guards and Israeli security was pulling from the other side.
I think they got mad because he went in there with Israeli security.
StarvingStudent47
12-23-2003, 01:06 AM
I knew it! Somehow, someone would be able to look at Arabs assaulting other Arabs and blame it on Israel ;)
if the Israelis did not enter the mosque there would be no reason for a fight. When sharon entered with his soldeirs the intifada started 3 years ago ;)
IDFM203
12-23-2003, 01:21 PM
Hold on there one second "one" the Israelis went in AFTER he was being attacked to try to save him!!! They were not in before at all!!!
As for Sharon, yeah great excuse to start to murder Jews simply because a Jewish minister went to visit one of Judaism’s holist sites :roll:
Shalom :D
if the Israelis did not enter the mosque there would be no reason for a fight. When sharon entered with his soldeirs the intifada started 3 years ago ;)
Intersting...cuz the firs israeli soldair that die in the "intifada" died few days before sharon enter the "mosque".
BTW : who the **** have the right to say to sharon..or every citizin in israel...not to pray there ?
BTW 2 : Israel allowed the palstinian to pray there...i don't remmber the arabs agree to jews pray there pre 67.
Mr. Nielsen
12-23-2003, 04:13 PM
As for Sharon, yeah great excuse to start to murder Jews simply because a Jewish minister went to visit one of Judaism’s holist sites
Ariel Sharon went up on the Haram Al-Sharif / Temple Mount on the 28. September 2000 to assert Israeli sovereignty, that's was angered the palestinians. The entire Haram Al-Sharif / Temple Mount is occupied territory.
The result was a riot the next day (29. September 2000), not the murder of jews. But the killings of unarmed demonstrators by the Israelis that day turned it from a single riot, into a widespread uprising that became known as the intifada.
Javehn
12-23-2003, 04:28 PM
That compound was occupied during war action in 1967 , and by war laws , it belong to Israel. However , Israeli let the "Im'am" (muslim high council in Jerusalem ) to control the compound . As a "favor" , Imam closed the compound to Israeli entrance (this is most holly place for jews , i remind you ) . 99 percent of Israeli honnored that closing , except of couple radical and religios jews. Arabs however threw rocks down at praying jews on west wall at almost every jewish holliday until police interwean (Magav units can spook every one away , they don't have a lot of moral issues like the rest of soldiers, those are really crazy bastards ) . At 2000 Ariel Sharon went inside the compound (i don't remember the exact reason why ) , and the next day all the Israeli and west bank arabs uprise . Police didn't knew how "to it" this fact , and not enough that it had limited resourves , they were poorly armed for those accations , and not enough human power . As a result , only 5 or 10 police officers staned against outraged mub , throwing rocks at them ,and making real threats for policeman lifes . Policeman reacted with fire back .
But despite this , Israeli court found couple of month ago half of Israeli police high officers guilty on that fact , and they "flew away" from they duties instantaniosly , among them couple of really good police officers .
Why again you trying to make us look bad , Mr Nielsen ? We aren't bad guys .
Salam aleykum , Allahu rahim ...
Mr. Nielsen
12-23-2003, 04:32 PM
Intersting...cuz the firs israeli soldair that die in the "intifada" died few days before sharon enter the "mosque".
29. September is the day the riot's started, not 27. September. The pressure had of course been building up the entire summer, and people on both sides had been killed before the 29. September.
who the f*** have the right to say to sharon..or every citizin in israel...not to pray there ?
People's religion should of course be respected, and the should be allowed to worship at the holy places of their religion. But still that dosn't mean people have an absolute right to say walk into the vatican wherever and whenever the please.
BTW 2 : Israel allowed the palstinian to pray there...i don't remmber the arabs agree to jews pray there pre 67.
I doubt that any people from either side were allowed to cross the green line.
IDFM203
12-23-2003, 04:37 PM
As for Sharon, yeah great excuse to start to murder Jews simply because a Jewish minister went to visit one of Judaism’s holist sites
Ariel Sharon went up on the Haram Al-Sharif / Temple Mount on the 28. September 2000 to assert Israeli sovereignty, that's was angered the palestinians. The entire Haram Al-Sharif / Temple Mount is occupied territory. .
Listen whatever Sharons reasons or alleged reasons for going is moot point, the fact is that the site is a Jewish holy site as well as a Arab one.
From 1948 to 1967 when the Arabs had control of that site, they never allowed any Jews to go visit the western wall.
After 1967 when Israel smartly pre-empted the gathering Arab onslaught (after Egypt already closed off the straits of tharin(sp?)) in the intention to wipe out Israel, Israel immediately gave over that section to Muslim authority to allow Muslims the right to pray at their site, a privilege that they never gave the Jews when they had that land.
Again sharon or any Jew should be able to visit and Jewish holy site that he wishes just like the Jews have allowed the Arabs to pray at their sites.
The result was a riot the next day (29. September 2000), not the murder of jews. .
But the killings of unarmed demonstrators by the Israelis that day turned it from a single riot, into a widespread uprising that became known as the intifada.
I was in the military at the time and I can tell you that the result was shootings all over the west bank that day by them, even their PA police started shooting (I personally saw them and witnessed it) with the guns that Israel gave them.
Also there were no accounts of Israel killing any one there on that day!!!
The violence started before Sharon's September 28, 2000, visit to the Temple Mount. The day before, for example, an Israeli soldier was killed at the Netzarim Junction. The next day in the West Bank city of Kalkilya, a Palestinian police officer working with Israeli police on a joint patrol opened fire and killed his Israeli counterpart.
Official Palestinian Authority media exhorted the Palestinians to violence. On September 29, the Voice of Palestine, the PA's official radio station sent out calls "to all Palestinians to come and defend the al-Aksa mosque." The PA closed its schools and bused Palestinian students to the Temple Mount to participate in the organized riots.
Just prior to Rosh Hashanah (September 30), the Jewish New Year, when hundreds of Israelis were worshipping at the Western Wall, thousands of Arabs began throwing bricks and rocks at Israeli police and Jewish worshippers. Rioting then spread to towns and villages throughout Israel, the West Bank and Gaza Strip.
Internal Security Minister Shlomo Ben-Ami permitted Sharon to go to the Temple Mount – Judaism’s holiest place – only after calling Palestinian security chief Jabril Rajoub and receiving his assurance that if Sharon did not enter the mosques, no problems would arise. The need to protect Sharon arose when Rajoub later said that the Palestinian police would do nothing to prevent violence during the visit.
Sharon did not attempt to enter any mosques and his 34 minute visit to the Temple Mount was conducted during normal hours when the area is open to tourists. Palestinian youths — eventually numbering around 1,500 — shouted slogans in an attempt to inflame the situation. Some 1,500 Israeli police were present at the scene to forestall violence.
There were limited disturbances during Sharon's visit, mostly involving stone throwing. During the remainder of the day, outbreaks of stone throwing continued on the Temple Mount and in the vicinity, leaving 28 Israeli policemen injured, three of whom were hospitalized. There are no accounts of Palestinian injuries on that day. Significant and orchestrated violence was initiated by Palestinians the following day following Friday prayers.
Shalom :D
Mr. Nielsen
12-23-2003, 04:38 PM
That compound was occupied during war action in 1967 , and by war laws , it belong to Israel.
No. Theres no such thing in international law.
But despite this , Israeli court found couple of month ago half of Israeli police high officers guilty on that fact , and they "flew away" from they duties instantaniosly , among them couple of really good police officers .
I believe this is internal Israeli matters, regarding the killing of 13 Israeli Arabs.
Javehn
12-23-2003, 04:45 PM
Purim day , 1994 . Israeli News : Dr Baruh Goldstein took rifle on his hands and shoot tens of Muslim prayers on Hebron . Israeli people outraged ! From every fraction this man called Terrorist and Killer. High commity assembled , in it's head Israeli head of high court Meir Shmagar . This commity conducting with" open doors" . 106 people testify , 2500 pages of protocol . Speccialy unit established in SB security to appreheand jewish terrorists. Speccial meaugers taken to compensate PA..And it's still so wrong what this man did , as i personnaly think and 99 percent of Israeli people .
That what makes the difference. I personnaly really don't understand how you or someone else can compare us .
And if you talking about killing on "territories" , soldiers and civilians from Nezarim suffered from non stop attack before Intifada . Almost every day there were attack on convoys in Nezarim junction.
I had a friend telling me how scary it was to make mutual patrols with palestinian Police , while they had fully loaded Kalach , and he even couldn't insert Magazine inside his weapon (forbidden ) .
The first day of the second intifada started when sharon went into the mosque (not the jewish but muslim side).
We all know why he went in there.
1) It was another way to make Barak loose the elections
2) To prove that Israel is sovereign over the Dome of the rock.
I would like to ask all the jews here. Would you allow any none Jew to enter a synygogue? Would you let muslims control who enters and who leaves your synygogues?
UoUo so far I am respecting you all because IDFm203 is like a friend now, and I dont want to insult him. But who the FUK are you to tell muslims what to do? Who the FUK are you to go into a mosque and shoot praying palestinians? who the fuk are you to enter and destroy holy sites?
Javehn
12-23-2003, 05:35 PM
About the reason why Shoron entered there, there are couple of reasons , but the political one is , offcorse , present . Just like the decition to blow Atom reactor in Ossirak was mostly political . It had mostly political sides , but there were also practical sides to this - and Sharon was acctually reasurred By Rajub that nothing terrible will happends if he will go there ...He wented there to prevent exactly the same thing that happened because of it .
About to let people inside our holly places , i don't see any problem to allow non-jews enter inside , if he is respectfull .I understand Muslims have a different point of view on those things . By the way , take a little look on Josef grave. I personnaly so outraged on that fact. It was total humilliation for jewish religion , that's all . And yet again we suffered it for a name of humanity ( or at list for sake of Public Affairs ,not to mention the fact that Israeli soldier died for that BS and didn't get rescued, and that's just wrong ) . Have you see some Israeli-made Intifada after that fact ? I don't bellieve so , no. Or take a look at the fact that jews cannot go inside the grave of anncesters in Hebron , and that's one of the most holly places to the jews (that one is simply rediculous. We share the same ansesters and holly places , for crying out lowd ! )
And third , you are nice guy , and the fact that you are acting very well on those debates , and have a great knowladge. About third thing-getting to mosk and shoot palestinians -if i would get an order that armed Palestinian hiding inside moskue , i wouldn't shoot him. just like all soldiers . 2 weeks ago couple of people tryed to blow up scool in Yokneam city . They were captured and shoot , but they managed to get inside mosk.Police risked and took they bodies out of the mosk , and not to blow it up inside. How i know it ? I have a fellow student in my class that happends to be police sabotour.
Salam aleykum habibi.
IDFM203
12-23-2003, 05:43 PM
The first day of the second intifada started when sharon went into the mosque (not the jewish but muslim side). well that is the Jewish side as well.
Listen the Jewish temple was there way before that mosque was built.
Nonetheless, I do in fact recognise that it is holy for Muslims but it is also holy for Jews.
The fact is that when the Arabs had control of it they never allowed any Jews to pray at the western wall, but when the Jews were in control they not only allowed the Arabs to pray there, a privilege that the Arabs never gave to the Jews, but Israel even gave over that part to their control even though it is also holy to Jews.
We all know why he went in there. perhaps your right or perhaps not but its no excuse to start a war (which they actually started before but a lot of Palestinians like to claim that is the excuse for it)
It was another way to make Barak loose the elections perhaps but he didn’t really need to, after Arafat rejected baraks offer, Israelis realised how foolish the left was to believe that times changed and he would have lost anyways.
2) To prove that Israel is sovereign over the Dome of the rock. what’s there to prove?!?, those are facts. Israel is sovereign of that land now BUT it still gave the part that Muslims consider holy to them and it is they that are sovereign. No one cares about that, all Sharon is doing is reaffirming our right to go there, that is all.
I would like to ask all the jews here. Would you allow any none Jew to enter a synygogue? Yes and yes!!! There is absolutely no prohibition to not allowing non Jews to enter a synagogue.
Would you let muslims control who enters and who leaves your synygogues? no but we did give you control over your mosque but we have a right to visit it as well, that is our holy part as well.
Shalom my friend :D
IDFM203
12-23-2003, 06:01 PM
About to let people inside our holly places , i don't see any problem to allow non-jews enter inside , if he is respectfull .I understand Muslims have a different point of view on those things . By the way , take a little look on Josef grave. I personnaly so outraged on that fact. It was total humilliation for jewish religion , that's all . And yet again we suffered it for a name of humanity ( or at list for sake of Public Affairs ,not to mention the fact that Israeli soldier died for that BS and didn't get rescued, and that's just wrong ) .
Yes javhen thanks for pointing out real desecration and what happens to Jewish sites when they are in area's where Palestinian's had control.
Here is just a few pics from the desecration of josephs grave
http://buffalo-israel-link.org/images/attack.JPG
http://buffalo-israel-link.org/images/burning.JPG
http://buffalo-israel-link.org/images/rightafter.JPG
http://buffalo-israel-link.org/images/Greenroof.GIF
Shalom :D
Muslims DID NOT DESTROY your temples. So we did not destroy them to buil our mosques over them.
Muslims allow anyone to enter the mosque, but they have to respect it. Going in with your guns is a huge NO NO! and another thing is taking your shoes off when you enter the mosque.
@m203 when sharon entered and the soldeirs clashed with the palestinians thats when the most casualties were lost. It ignited things even more.
I am not sure about this, but historians and archeologists argue that the Temple mount was not the place were the temple was built. (don't quote me on this as I have no knowledge of the exact facts).
Doesn't Israel want to destroy the Dome of the Rock (along with mosques) to dig out the ruins of the old temple? Isn't that why they started digging underneath the temple mount? If the jews or Israelis just want to visit no one has a problem. But when they start digging then there is a problem. It will stop being a problem between arafat and sharon it will be between 1 billion muslims and sharon.
Arafat refused Barak's plan because palestine would not be a sovereign (sp) country. For example they don't have control over their airspace or sea.
Javehn
12-23-2003, 06:17 PM
Israel want's to destroy Mosks there ?? Ofcorse no .
From the time that Jewish Holly second "Mikdash" destroyed by Romes , and to this day , that place was covered with several ground layers . Jewish and American Archeologs digged under the ground to find out what has remained from that most sacred place . I am not shure about several developments there , but part of those tunnels was passing under properties of Wakf, and Wakf gave it's permission.But after oppening one side of the tunnel inside arab naighborhoud in old Jerusalem , i think , the problems have started . Like you said , don't quote me on this , as i am not remember the exact facts, there were done some political mistakes from both sides . But most surtainly Israel don't want to destroy any compound .
I acctually visited there once.I can't describe the feeling to stand in the same place my anncesters staned more then 2000 years ago , and prayed in most holly place ever - just infront of Holly Arc position !!!
And about the last thing you say - for now Araphat and his people not only don't have any air property , but they are prissoners on they own lands , and all thanks to they leader-mr. Arafack and his Hamas gang . But it's much more convinient to blame Israel on it , weather themselfes . They should take a little part of our over-self critic , maybe that will be good for both :( .
Mr. Nielsen
12-23-2003, 06:19 PM
Purim day , 1994 . Israeli News : Dr Baruh Goldstein took rifle on his hands and shoot tens of Muslim prayers on Hebron . Israeli people outraged ! From every fraction this man called Terrorist and Killer...
The Goldstein massacre of 29 prayers was one of the worst terrorist attacks in last decade. And Israel as a democracy was of course right in comdemning and investigating the incident.
Hower that was missed on the palestinians. After the massacre a curfew was declared in Hebron applying to everyone apart from the settlers, who as they do todau could roam the city with impunity. As well as giving interviews to TV telling what hero Goldstein was. While enforcing the six week curfew and putting down riots another 33 palestinians were killed.
And if you talking about killing on "territories" , soldiers and civilians from Nezarim suffered from non stop attack before Intifada . Almost every day there were attack on convoys in Nezarim junction.
Here we are at one of the real problems. All these settlement built beyond the green line are considered illegal by international law. And the one at Netzarim lies as tumor in the middle of the Gaza strip, making palestinian daily live an agony even before the outbreak of the uprising.
I had a friend telling me how scary it was to make mutual patrols with palestinian Police , while they had fully loaded Kalach , and he even couldn't insert Magazine inside his weapon (forbidden ) .
I'm sure it was. At this time all confidence between the parties were eroded and the thing could blow up at any time.
IDFM203
12-23-2003, 06:31 PM
Muslims DID NOT DESTROY your temples. So we did not destroy them to buil our mosques over them. . yes Muslims did not destroy the Jewish temples BUT they did build over them!!
Muslims allow anyone to enter the mosque, but they have to respect it. . perhaps but when they had control over Jewish sites, they did not allow us to go and visit and pray there
@m203 when sharon entered and the soldeirs clashed with the palestinians thats when the most casualties were lost. It ignited things even more. . first of all when Sharon went in, it was the Arabs there that clashed with the Israelis. Secondly the Israelis killed no one that day.
Thirdly what right do the Palestinians have to clash with him??? He is a Jew and he has every right to visit one of Judaism’s holiest places!! Sharon did not go in there guns blazing, no he went there peacefully with yes a lot of guards for you Arabs don’t respect our rights to visit our holy places. I mean he would not need those security to defend himself if you allowed him to go there which he has every right to do so!!
I am not sure about this, but historians and archeologists argue that the Temple mount was not the place were the temple was built. (don't quote me on this as I have no knowledge of the exact facts). . wow :roll: …….heck, there are historians and archaeologists that argue that Islam is a made up religion and question if there is even such a thing as the prophet Mohammad…..get my pont?? Lets not get into a religious debate here. for there are all sorts of conflicting views by all sorts of differett people
Most historians and archaeologists recognise that is the site of the Jewish temple.!!
But hey I don’t expect you to believe that :roll:
Doesn't Israel want to destroy the Dome of the Rock (along with mosques) to dig out the ruins of the old temple? .hahah ;) :roll: if Israel wanted to do that, they could do that any time they wanted and they dont need to dig in a covert way.
As for the other stuff I am going to try to avoid it to not get into the whole debate (which we do again and again) so I just want to keep it on the temple mount subject.
Oh and back to the main topic………..again what excuse do they have in attacking a fellow Muslim (the Egyptian minister ) when there were no Israeli’s in when he was attacked (they only want slightly in AFTER he was already being attacked, to try to save his life!!
Shalom :D
Mr. Nielsen
12-23-2003, 06:53 PM
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Muslims allow anyone to enter the mosque, but they have to respect it. .
perhaps but when they had control over Jewish sites, they did not allow us to go and visit and pray there
What about the other way before 1967?
Was arabs allowed to enter Israel to pray (or visit their former homes in case their are no special places of interest to pray at).
IDFM203
12-23-2003, 07:00 PM
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Muslims allow anyone to enter the mosque, but they have to respect it. .
perhaps but when they had control over Jewish sites, they did not allow us to go and visit and pray there
What about the other way before 1967?
Was arabs allowed to enter Israel to praywhat Arab holy places inside of Israel in the pre 1967 lines did Israel not allow Arabs to visit????
Again keep this on a historitcal religious places topic; trying to get it in other things is a diversionary tactic to what we are talking about specifically over here.
Remember we are not talking about all synagogues or all mosques here, but about significant religious sites that are paramount to each other religions and faith.
(again) The fact is that when the Arabs had control of the Jewish places, they never allowed any Jews to pray at the western wall or in hebron at the Patriarchs tomb, but when the Jews were in control they not only allowed the Arabs to pray there, a privilege that the Arabs never gave to the Jews, but in the case of the temple mount, Israel even gave over that part to their control even though it is also holy to Jews
Shalom :D
Israeli settlers shot praying muslims in Al Aqsa. The Al Aqsa mosque was burnt. In early 2002 (i believe) Jewish settlers gathered in large numbers and they tried to destroy another holy site. I think it was the tomb of prophet joseph.
I love you all lets dance now.
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