Teens accused of killing homeless man 'for fun'

[Secret Squirrel]

Two Florida teenagers found a homeless man in the woods and beat and kicked him to death "to have something to do," according to Volusia County sheriff's investigators.

Christopher Scamahorn, 14, and Jeffery Spurgeon, 18, confessed to beating the 53-year-old victim with their fists and sticks and kicking him, sheriff's spokesman Brandon Haught said Sunday.

The pair were charged with murder Sunday. Spurgeon was being held without bail in Daytona Beach. Scamahorn taken to a juvenile jail.

The teens said they attacked the man "for fun" and "to have something to do," Haught said. They went back to the woods three times after the initial attack to beat the man again, he said...

link (http://edition.cnn.com/2005/LAW/05/31/homeless.killing.ap/index.html)

Yea I know, Florida strikes again.

[Lokos]

I am a proud supporter of the death penalty.

Lokos

[Conga]

I am a proud supporter of the death penalty.

Lokos

Now thats something to be proud of :cantbeli:

[Geezah]

I am a proud supporter of the death penalty.

Lokos

Now thats something to be proud of :cantbeli:

Yes it is, I proudly support it also!

[PhillyMobster]

I am a proud supporter of the death penalty.

Lokos

Now thats something to be proud of :cantbeli:

:roll:

So what do you suggest we do to these dirtbags? Take away their afternoon nap?

[Lokos]

Conga:

What is your issue with the death penalty for people as deranged as those in the above article?

Why should these bastards be allowed the precious gift that is life, when they deny it so flippantly to others?

A man is no longer alive because of their actions, and they don't seem to give a damn - even though those actions were done out of BOREDOM, and no other motive exists.

It sickens me.

If there is a Hell, they're going to it. We can at least be courteous and provide Express transit service.

Lokos

[Legion]

I'll give them something to do if they are bored, sign them up for bullet catching practice. I'm sure there is a few guys tired of punching paper that would be happy to line them up at the range. p-)

[Lokos]

I like the way you think, Texan.

You know, we Serbs have been called the Texans of the Balkans by an American writing about the region.

I'm starting to see it.

Lokos

[BigBaribal]

I'm still against death penalty, but these bastards must spend their whole life now in a ****ty hole.

[Legion]

I like the way you think, Texan.

You know, we Serbs have been called the Texans of the Balkans by an American writing about the region.

I'm starting to see it.

Lokos

You are in the minorty, I think. ;)

[Conga]

Conga:

What is your issue with the death penalty for people as deranged as those in the above article?


I think it's just wrong to kill people unless it's absolutely necessary (for instance, a sniper who saves a hostage's life by shooting the kidnapper).

[Maj12]

I am a proud supporter of the death penalty.

Lokos

Now thats something to be proud of :cantbeli:

Honestly, everytime one of you eurotrolls posts on this board I understand even more just how f*cking pathetic you really are. Not everyone is a pacifist, socialist, ****-sucking f*ggot like yourself. Does that surprise you? It shouldn't.

I'm sure you feel these 2 pieces of **** are just misguided youth who need a bit of a talking to, right? F*ck right off you stupid yob. Your ignorance is astounding.

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[Conga]

Honestly, everytime one of you eurotrolls posts on this board I understand even more just how f*cking pathetic you really are. Not everyone is a pacifist, socialist, ****-sucking f*ggot like yourself.


thanks man :hug:

[Maj12]

Honestly, everytime one of you eurotrolls posts on this board I understand even more just how f*cking pathetic you really are. Not everyone is a pacifist, socialist, ****-sucking f*ggot like yourself.


thanks man :hug:

Sie sind willkommen.

:D

[Conga]

Sie sind willkommen.

:D

Nah seriously, why am I a "socialist ****-sucking faggot"?

[Maj12]

Sie sind willkommen.

:D

Nah seriously, why am I a "socialist ****-sucking faggot"?

Oh, you're probably not. I just get carried away with the "broad stroke" sometime. Apologies if I offended your manhood, I really should employ an editor to read my rants before I post them.

;)

[BigBaribal]

It's possible to be against the death penalty without being a "pathetic euro socialist pacifist". I'm not exactly a "pathetic euro socialist pacifist" and I'm against death penalty mainly for two reasons:

practical: risk of mistakes.
Moral: society must not symbollically fall on the level of these bastards.

[Werewolf01]

I have always been a proponent of capital punishment. Sometimes I wonder how somebody would feel in a 2mx2mx2m cell for the rest of their days with no entertainment or human contact whatsoever, and no possibility of parole. Which would be worse?

[Stormy]

Disgusting crime.

WereWolf, I'd rather get the death penalty is I were them.

[onefast93z28]

Yeah I knew the guy they killed, he lived in the woods near where I paintball and ws a nice enough guy. As far as i'm concured kill those two bastards.

[Aerosoul]

Florida, Florida, Florida.....Who'd-uh-thunkit?

[Geezah]

I have always been a proponent of capital punishment. Sometimes I wonder how somebody would feel in a 2mx2mx2m cell for the rest of their days with no entertainment or human contact whatsoever, and no possibility of parole. Which would be worse?

But these days inmates get cable tv, PS2s, weight rooms and all the comforts of home, I would prefer my tax $ go to something productive.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

But these days inmates get cable tv, PS2s, weight rooms and all the comforts of home, I would prefer my tax $ go to something productive.You forgot the gang rape, HIV TB and death by sharpened tooth brush handle.

[Geezah]

But these days inmates get cable tv, PS2s, weight rooms and all the comforts of home, I would prefer my tax $ go to something productive.You forgot the gang rape, HIV TB and death by sharpened tooth brush handle.

So capital punishment is a plus then.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

But these days inmates get cable tv, PS2s, weight rooms and all the comforts of home, I would prefer my tax $ go to something productive.You forgot the gang rape, HIV TB and death by sharpened tooth brush handle.

So capital punishment is a plus then.More than few choose to take their own life but the funny thing is its never the serial killers or baby rapers its always the daft **** that gets 3 month for shoplifting. :lol:

[Kilgor]

For once i agree with lokos, pieces of **** like this are so deranged there is no help for them. Whats worse they are fed and clothed for the rest of their life in prision, costing millions of dollars and offer no contribution to society. At a time when so many people are needy and hungry, society is forced to look after these pieces human waste.

Up against a wall and problem solved.

[Laworkerbee]

I like the way you think, Texan.

You know, we Serbs have been called the Texans of the Balkans by an American writing about the region.

I'm starting to see it.

Lokos

rofl

[Maj12]

It's possible to be against the death penalty without being a "pathetic euro socialist pacifist". I'm not exactly a "pathetic euro socialist pacifist" and I'm against death penalty mainly for two reasons:

practical: risk of mistakes.
Moral: society must not symbollically fall on the level of these bastards.

Being against the death penalty for moral and practical reasons is fine, but I take exception to the stance that it is never appropriate. Some ppl just need killing.

[obd]

The judge should give them multiple life terms in prison with no chance of perol. On top of that they should work for thier terms to help recover the costs to taxpayers of housing them.

Im willing to pay for prisons for the same reason Im willing to pay for police........but thats not to say I wouldnt rather have the prisoners pay for thier own internment so more of my money could go towards police salaries :). In my opinion, the higher police salaries the better. Not only is it a point of honor and pride but it would also, theoratically, cut down on corruption if police didnt have to struggle just to make ends meet and give thier chilkdren a good opportunity in life!!

Im not a supporter of the death penalty........but one thing that pisses me off to no end: Serious criminals doing "soft time" and then getting out after 10 years for "good behavior" or some other such bull****.

Both of these two should be locked up for life. Anybody that kills a homeless man for "something to do" or "because they were bored" is a SERIOUS threat to everyone around them and has absolutely zero respect for human life and dignity.

Examples that piss me off:

1. The British teens that abducted that baby and then beat it to near death with bricks and then left it to be run over by a train are now out of jail, under new names, and living lives however they wish out in society. That is UTTER ****.

2. Some of the child school shooters in the US are out of jail ALREADY and back out in society. That is again UTTER ****.

[Abolith]

I am a proud supporter of the death penalty.

Lokos

Now thats something to be proud of :cantbeli:

Yes it is, I proudly support it also!

as do I.. kill em` and throw them in an unmarked pit.

[Mark Sman]

We need to bring back the old school road gang "life at hard labor' sentence with a twist. We need someone building new roads around Kandahar.

Just can't see letting the government have the power to kill someone in their custody, with the exception of pedophiles. I just don't trust the government with that kind of power.

Now if the victim had any family that wanted to off these two, that I could understand.

[walford]

Obviously the misguided youths who acted out this desperate behavior are victims of the patriarchal, capitalist-imperialist culture in which they were raised. They expressed their feelings of helplessness/hopelessness in the only way they knew how. We need to raise consciousness about others like them so that sufficient government funding can be raised for educational/recreational programs that will provide alternative outlets for such youthful energy.

There are thousands of social workers at the ready. :hug:

[EasyC]

I am a proud supporter of the death penalty.

Lokos

Now thats something to be proud of :cantbeli:

why not be? The world is too crowded as it is, might as well get rid of some unwanted bastards.

[sferrin]

Conga:

What is your issue with the death penalty for people as deranged as those in the above article?


I think it's just wrong to kill people unless it's absolutely necessary (for instance, a sniper who saves a hostage's life by shooting the kidnapper).

Whoa. What makes you think the hostage has anymore right to life than the kidnapper?

[sferrin]

I am a proud supporter of the death penalty.

Lokos

Now thats something to be proud of :cantbeli:

why not be? The world is too crowded as it is, might as well get rid of some unwanted bastards.

I know the organ banks could use some help.

[sferrin]

It's possible to be against the death penalty without being a "pathetic euro socialist pacifist". I'm not exactly a "pathetic euro socialist pacifist" and I'm against death penalty mainly for two reasons:

practical: risk of mistakes.
Moral: society must not symbollically fall on the level of these bastards.

The first is a valid point. The second is misguided. Do you fall to the level of a roach when you fumigate your premisis? Do you become crabgrass when you eradicate it from your lawn? You come home from work and see your child gutted on the floor and some scumbag raping your wife. Do you step back and say "better let him be, I don't want to stoop to his level" or do you try to talk him out of it? Hell send your wife to grief counciling, she'll get over it. Your child? Hell, just make another one. Right? We do have to respect life and all.

[sferrin]

I have always been a proponent of capital punishment. Sometimes I wonder how somebody would feel in a 2mx2mx2m cell for the rest of their days with no entertainment or human contact whatsoever, and no possibility of parole. Which would be worse?

That's the thing many people who are against the death penalty don't think about. For many of these scumbags the death penalty is getting off easy. Unfortunately most of society doesn't have it in them to do what you really need to deter these assholes. So we have 2 million and counting behind bars instead.

[Atlantic Friend]

Whoa !

Picketing outside of the jail with either "Fry 'em murderers" or "Save the poor misguided kids" signs is probably fine, but let's face it it has more to do with self-righteousness (whether Left-leaning or Right-leaning) than with any kind of justice.

Me, I would like to know what the Florida Penal Code has in store for minors (as they both seem to be) who would kill a man in such circumstances.

Is this manslaughter, for example ? Does the fact they came back to beat him up again with sticks prove premeditation. Will they be accused of barbaric acts ? This is what I'd like to know...

[EasyC]

I am a proud supporter of the death penalty.

Lokos

Now thats something to be proud of :cantbeli:

why not be? The world is too crowded as it is, might as well get rid of some unwanted bastards.

I know the organ banks could use some help.

exactly, I mean ****, when I **** off from this world, im giving myself away, blood and all.

Recycle, not just bottles and plastic.

[Mark Sman]

Both were charged Sunday with first-degree murder.

http://www.news-journalonline.com/NewsJournalOnline/News/Headlines/03NewsHEAD01053105.htm

[Lokos]

LAWorkerBee:

You disagree?

:(

Lokos

[TheBelgian]

Death penalty is the easy way out, and no one gains. I say you give these guys a life scentence, and handcuff them to a treadmill, which is hooked up to a power generator. After providing power for the country for 12 hours a day, they can return to a dark, damp, concrete cell with just a cot and a toilet. No benefits or nothing, bottom dollar. And the next day, they're back on the treadmill. They become a usefull member of society, solve the energy crisis, stay in shape and have a horrible life in the process. If only i could get a governemnt to listen to my brilliant ideas :lol:

[supercontra]

I am divided on the death penalty. Yes in case of murders/rapist/pedophiles when there is absolutely no doubt, not reasonable doubt, but caught red handed in the act, since there are several documented cases of innocents being executed.
As for the idea on hard lagor building roads in Iraq and Afghanistan, that is an excellent idea and will save the US government millions.

[Roaming East]

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[Kicius]

Sometimes I think, that there is alterantive for death penalty.

In many countries there are so much roads to repair, dangerous coal mines etc. Workin 16-18 hours a day, the m...s will easily earn the pay for securuty personel.

[DANJANOU]

Death penalty is the easy way out, and no one gains. I say you give these guys a life scentence, and handcuff them to a treadmill, which is hooked up to a power generator. After providing power for the country for 12 hours a day, they can return to a dark, damp, concrete cell with just a cot and a toilet. No benefits or nothing, bottom dollar. And the next day, they're back on the treadmill. They become a usefull member of society, solve the energy crisis, stay in shape and have a horrible life in the process. If only i could get a governemnt to listen to my brilliant ideas :lol:

While this would work for me, the sad reality is that in our oh so PC world, inmates and criminals seem to enjoy more rights and priveledges than their victims.

Here in Canada we’re getting ready for the release of Karla Holmocka who served a total of 12 years for aiding and abeeting her husband in kidnapping, raping, torturing, and then murdering two teenage girls. She also assisted in a couple of more rape including her younger sister, who later died due to a overdose from sedatives administered by Holmolka.

During her stint “behind bars” Ms Homolka managed to pick up a University degree paid for in full by the Canadian taxpayer. That’s in addition to the lingerie parties, beauty treatments, spa days, and Jacuzzis she enjoyed during her “hard time.”

Sorry to me jail should be a place you don’t want to end up. I’m not advocating some third world hell hole as in Midnight Express but the basics only. A place to sleep, army cot would be good, three basic bland but nutritious meals a day and plenty of hard work ( the treadmill thing works for me) with no pay. Laundry, furniture making, or just turning big rocks into little rocks will do. All privileges and they’d be limited in scope, such as cigarettes, TV and books would be earned on merit/good behaviour, and taken away for infractions.

The Canadian Forces Detention Barracks is a good example. Last I heard it had a less than 3% recidivism or return rate. One of those places where if you'r unlucky to end up for ayouthful indiscretion, you then realise you never want to go back there, ever.

Until we adopt this attitude to punishment, because that’s what it is, to and for those who break the social norms and rules of our society, then maybe the two rounds warming into the back of the head approach may be the only viable option.

In the case of these two methinks it’s the only viable solution. They’re beyond redemption.

[California Joe]

I agree my friend and you're right, that Karla is a real piece of work. She definitely needed a bullet in the back of the head.

[DANJANOU]

I agree my friend and you're right, that Karla is a real piece of work. She definitely needed a bullet in the back of the head.

I think I could do it and not lose any sleep over it later. That is presuming that I was the designated state executioner. I decline to take the law into my own hands not even in this case. Mind I’m supposed to be a pacifist to.


It's possible to be against the death penalty without being a "pathetic euro socialist pacifist". I'm not exactly a "pathetic euro socialist pacifist" and I'm against death penalty mainly for two reasons:

practical: risk of mistakes.
Moral: society must not symbollically fall on the level of these bastards.

While I admire the fact that you actually base your opposition to this on sound reasons, (a rarity I find in this discussion) I disagree.

The risk of error these days with modern advances in DNA etc more or less eliminate the wrongly accused. I doubt will see any more David Milgards, Guy Paul Morins and/or Donald Marshalls (hopefully).

Also I hardly advocate this ultimate penalty for all cases. If there is any mitigating circumstances and/or reason of doubt then other punishments would be appropriate. For those caught literally with the smoking gun in their hands and/or who confess and show no remorse, they get to ride the lightening and it’s a one way trip.

As to the moral question I respectfully disagree. What defines us as a society are the elaborate and every changing rules of conduct we have created for ourselves, social, legal, religious, cultural et cetera.

Breaking these mutually agreed upon rules or norms should result in punishment. The ultimate breaking of them, the taking of a life for little or no reason, therefore should result in the ultimate punishment the total and permanent removal of the guilty person form said society through the forfeiture of his/her life.

[TuNeRsHaRk]

JAFC (Just another florida crime)