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jmiori
06-01-2005, 12:16 PM
Please post pics and info about Russian/Ukrainian/Armenian bullpup derivatives of AK-74, like Vepr and K-3. Are these weapons actually in service???

Thanks

JMIORI

Golani68
06-01-2005, 02:25 PM
yeah

does anyone have a picture of the Armenian
AK74 bullpup

heard of it but not seen a picture of it

RomanS
06-01-2005, 02:30 PM
Armenian bullpup lol?

Golani68
06-01-2005, 02:41 PM
whats so funny

tony6
06-01-2005, 02:44 PM
Little OT (I hope You don't mind) but I think You might be interested:
one of Polish bull-pup projects: BIN-21 rifle based on 5,56mm Beryl wz.96.
It was one of the Military Academy of Technology student's thesis.
Note the P-rail mounted on the gas tube, thumb safety lever, folded iron sights and bigger mag-release lever.
http://www.militech.sownet.pl/bullpup/_BIN-21(300)BW.jpghttp://www.militech.sownet.pl/bullpup/_BIN-21_roz(500)BW.jpg
The student made a conceptual model for testing:
http://www.militech.sownet.pl/bullpup/_BIN_roz(600).jpg
Pictures stolen from REMOV's site:)

REMOV
06-04-2005, 07:13 PM
Armenian bullpup lol?http://www.militech.sownet.pl/bullpup/weapon/_K3(600).jpg
Armenian 5.45mm K-3 assault rifle

http://www.militech.sownet.pl/bullpup/weapon/_szkwal(400).jpg
Russian 5.45mm experimental Shkval

http://www.militech.sownet.pl/inne/_BIN_01.jpg
http://www.militech.sownet.pl/inne/_BIN_02.jpg
http://www.militech.sownet.pl/inne/_BIN_03.jpg
Polish 5.56mm BIN (bullpup design Beryl-based)

http://www.militech.sownet.pl/inne/_BOZ-1_01.jpg
http://www.militech.sownet.pl/inne/_BOZ-1_03.jpg
http://www.militech.sownet.pl/inne/_BOZ-1_04.jpg
Polish 7.62mm BOZ-1 (bullpup design AKM-based)

Those assault rifles (i.e. BOZ-1 and BIN aka kbk wz.97) were made by Military Technical University students as their masters diploma (Bozejko - BOZ-1 and Binek BIN/BIN-21).

(many thanks for permission to take those photos goes to M. Zahor and Hartmann)

JoaMei
06-04-2005, 07:15 PM
These are all prototypes?

REMOV
06-04-2005, 07:25 PM
These are all prototypes?The Russian Shkval is a prototype, the K-3 status is unknown in my opinion is also a prototype, and the BIN and BOZ-1 are more or less concept models (but fully functional). The only AK/AK-74-based bullpup design which have a little chance to be adopted is Ukrainian Vepr. But I'm doubt about it. More such AKM/AK-74-designs are Chinese Type 86S, Finnish Valmet M82, South African Vector CR-21, Serbian Yugoimport M85, Russian A-91M, OC-14 Groza (AKS-74U-based), A-91.

JoaMei
06-04-2005, 07:29 PM
Is it possible to change the side of the ejecting brass on one of them?

REMOV
06-04-2005, 07:40 PM
Is it possible to change the side of the ejecting brass on one of them?Unfortunately not.

bluered12
06-05-2005, 06:14 AM
Does anyone know the current status of the CR-21? There were rumors it will be adopted by the South African army, but IHMO the South Africans are still using the R-4/5/6.

Vtw does anyone know the barrel lengths of the different OC-14 variants?
The basic version (OC-14-4a) has a 415mm barrel, but what about the others (OC-14-4a-01 / 02 /03)?

Thanks in advance.

REMOV
06-05-2005, 08:11 AM
Does anyone know the current status of the CR-21?The whole project is closed. The CR-21 wasnt't produced (except a few prototypes) and it will not be.
Vtw does anyone know the barrel lengths of the different OC-14 variants? The basic version (OC-14-4a) has a 415mm barrel, but what about the others (OC-14-4a-01 / 02 /03)?Ekhm... 9mm OC-14-4A-01 (Groza-4) barrel length is 240mm not 415 mm. The 7.62mm OC-14-1A-01 Groza-1 barrel length is 415 mm.

http://www.army.lv/photos/218.jpg
7.62mm OC-14-1A Groza-1

http://www.army.lv/photos/219.jpg
7.62mm OC-14-1A Groza-1

http://www.army.lv/photos/217.jpg
7.62/40mm OC-14-1A Groza-1

http://www.army.lv/photos/216.jpg
7.62/40mm OC-14-1A Groza-1 field stripped

http://www.army.lv/photos/213.jpg
9mm OC-14-4A-01 Groza-4

http://www.army.lv/photos/215.jpg
9mm OC-14-4A-02 (above) and OC-14-4A-03 (below) Groza-4

http://www.army.lv/photos/214.jpg
9/40mm OC-14-4A-04 Groza-4

coughybean
06-05-2005, 08:52 AM
This is an AK conversion kit I think

AKU-94

http://img111.echo.cx/img111/8438/sdgsdf5ef.jpg

http://www.sksman.com/images/full_aku_400p.gif

This one looks different:
http://www.ultimak.com/gallery/aku-94.jpg

looks cool :)

Golani68
06-05-2005, 09:48 AM
[quote=RomanS]Armenian bullpup lol?http://www.militech.sownet.pl/bullpup/weapon/_K3(600).jpg
Armenian 5.45mm K-3 assault rifle

Thank you REMOV

where did you find the picture