Islamofascists...

[Ayura]

Why is it acceptable for Promillo (and other users) to use this word time and time again, yet someone put "Jewish asshole" and the entire forum literally pulled there favourite guns out on his head?

Am I missing something here?

[LongDongSilver]

Because Jews don't go around the world beheading people and blowing themselves up. Lets face the facts, when it comes to international terrorism, Muslims have the market cornered, sure they are a few other contenders, but none who can stand up to 'Jihad'

[Ayura]

Hmm...1/5 of the world is Muslim...so according to your logic, 1/5 of the world go around blowing up people and beheading people?

And, according to your logic, jewish people are the absolute innocent victim here?

[LongDongSilver]

Hmm...1/5 of the world is Muslim...so according to your logic, 1/5 of the world go around blowing up people and beheading people?

And, according to your logic, jewish people are the absolute innocent victim here?

That's not my logic, where did you go to school? University of Islamic Idiocy?

[Ayura]

How many muslims in America blow themselves up?


There is a big differance between "cultural" problems and "religious" problems.

[Ayura]

'Jihad' -

Can you give me a list of the rules of jihad in fighting? I bet you can't because you don't understand anything about real jihad.

[LongDongSilver]

How many muslims in America blow themselves up?


There is a big differance between "cultural" problems and "religious" problems.

Oh please, stop playing these childish word games. You knew from the start I did not mean EVERY MUSLIM blows themselves up, but typical of a Muslim you play this ridiculous word game. It is not a cultural problem, its a religious problem, look at the worlds areas with problems, how many involve Muslims?

Chechnya conflict, Indonesia rebelion, Philipines rebelion, Thailand's terrorism problems, Sudan Janjaweed militias, Europe Islamic cells and supporters, this doesn't even begin to cover all the areas Islamofacists operate in.

Oh, why don't they operate in the states? because the governments eyes is up there ass, they don't have the ability too.

[Ayura]

"but typical of an arab"


Who said I am an Arab? Wow, already the stereotypes begin...

[LongDongSilver]

'Jihad' -

Can you give me a list of the rules of jihad in fighting? I bet you can't because you don't understand anything about real jihad.

yeah? well neither does your precious Islamofascists do they? or else they wouldn't be suicide bombing women and children, and beheading unarmed civilians right?

[LongDongSilver]

"but typical of an arab"


Who said I am an Arab? Wow, already the stereotypes begin...

When did I say that? hey, wipe the semtex from your eyes and read it.

[Ayura]

How many muslims in America blow themselves up?


There is a big differance between "cultural" problems and "religious" problems.

Oh please, stop playing these childish word games. You knew from the start I did not mean EVERY MUSLIM blows themselves up, but typical of a Muslim you play this ridiculous word game. It is not a cultural problem, its a religious problem, look at the worlds areas with problems, how many involve Muslims?

Chechnya conflict, Indonesia rebelion, Philipines rebelion, Thailand's terrorism problems, Sudan Janjaweed militias, Europe Islamic cells and supporters, this doesn't even begin to cover all the areas Islamofacists operate in.

Oh, why don't they operate in the states? because the governments eyes is up there ass, they don't have the ability too.

I am not denying that the Ummah is messed up. I totally agree. But when you flame the religion without knowing a single thing about it, and rely on the media to get your facts, you just spawn ignorance. It doesn't surprise me if you hate Muslims, I can completely understand, but when you say something about the religion, can you not understand how its affecting the people who do follow Islam properly are?

[Ayura]

"but typical of an arab"


Who said I am an Arab? Wow, already the stereotypes begin...

When did I say that? hey, wipe the semtex from your eyes and read it.


Way to go and edit your post. You know exactly what you just did..and please do not try and deny it.

[Ayura]

It is not a cultural problem, its a religious problem


It only takes a single person to distort the views of millions.

[MEGR]

Don't sweat it Ayura afterall, it's just words. I've already been called a zealot by a person I'll not name.

I have some muslim friends who are very intelligent and caring. Although I don't share their views, I still care for them.

[Ayura]

I know...But it is very difficult to do, especially in a day and age like this. Inshallah, I'm trying to be merciful, but it is hard to do.

[hughdotoh]

"but typical of an arab"


Who said I am an Arab? Wow, already the stereotypes begin...

It's because the nasty things attributed to Muslims worldwide are done by Arabs and their sympathisers who seem to think that anything Arab is Muslim and that Islam is nothing if it isn't Arab.

Example is SE Asia: tropical climate, multicultural society. But Jemaah Islamiyyah wants all women regardless of religion to wear Chadors/Burqas/Body Sheets according to desert Arab custom. They also want to impose desert-style Sharia law not only on Muslims but on all people, in total disregard of Civil Law, and contrary to Muhammad's teaching that there should be no compulsion in matters of religion.

[Ayura]

Example is SE Asia: tropical climate, multicultural society. But Jemaah Islamiyyah wants all women regardless of religion to wear Chadors/Burqas/Body Sheets according to desert Arab custom. They also want to impose desert-style Sharia law not only on Muslims but on all people, in total disregard of Civil Law, and contrary to Muhammad's teaching that there should be no compulsion in matters of religion.


That is wrong, they shouldn't impose that on the country. Only if the people of that country are willing to submit to that, then they should impose it.

[LongDongSilver]

Example is SE Asia: tropical climate, multicultural society. But Jemaah Islamiyyah wants all women regardless of religion to wear Chadors/Burqas/Body Sheets according to desert Arab custom. They also want to impose desert-style Sharia law not only on Muslims but on all people, in total disregard of Civil Law, and contrary to Muhammad's teaching that there should be no compulsion in matters of religion.


That is wrong, they shouldn't impose that on the country. Only if the people of that country are willing to submit to that, then they should impose it.

Wow great, since you think its wrong, the whole world changes right? JI won't aim to impose Sharia in the region, and the Arabian peninsula will become a bastion of peace and tolerance, instead of one where you are beheaded for giving out Bibles.

[Ayura]

Just because I have an opinion doesn't mean the whole world changes. Am I lot allowed to have an opinion?

[LongDongSilver]

Just because I have an opinion doesn't mean the whole world changes. Am I lot allowed to have an opinion?

Of course you are, afterall, I'm not a Islamofacist.

[Ayura]

...I don't understand why you mentioned "...afterall, I'm not a Islamofacist"

???

[hughdotoh]

Example is SE Asia: tropical climate, multicultural society. But Jemaah Islamiyyah wants all women regardless of religion to wear Chadors/Burqas/Body Sheets according to desert Arab custom. They also want to impose desert-style Sharia law not only on Muslims but on all people, in total disregard of Civil Law, and contrary to Muhammad's teaching that there should be no compulsion in matters of religion.


That is wrong, they shouldn't impose that on the country. Only if the people of that country are willing to submit to that, then they should impose it.

It's what they want to do and have been doing for the better part of 20 years: Arab and Pakistani "missionaries" spreading distrust between Non-Muslim and Muslim communities who have been living in relative quiet for generations, now JI insisting that all must either submit to desert style Islam or leave if they don't want to die of beheading. There were more peaceful madrasahs back then, but their imams were displaced by the Arabs and Pakis who called their tolerance-based teachings "bid'ah."

[vryhpyammoadded]

Personally, I use the term Islamofascist to describe one or a group of individuals who are Islamic, practicing a fascist (or similar) political philosophy. This doesn’t denote all Muslims are fascist, only a small number of the whole.
On the other hand, I throw the fascist label around to describe about anyone I find selfish, greedy, manipulative and closed minded which can include many of the politicians, businessmen and a few others in my own country that range from Roman Catholic, agnostic to atheist in religious beliefs.
Cathlofascist, Agnofascist, Corprofascist, Demofascist, Republofascist LOL...

I’ve asked before on another thread without reply and I am still curious. Is the word Islamofascist not correct when used to describe a Muslim or Muslim group, who engages in fascist political behavior or has the word itself been manipulated “double speak” into a triggered response implying the meaning of “all” Muslim?

Saying Jewish Asshole can be handled much the same way. It depends on the implied meaning of all or a portion. If one means all then they are as stupid as one who claims all Muslim are fascists or all Americans are ignorant or all Europeans are snobs but, if one implies a few then it’s no big deal seeing in reality, every culture has its portion of rejects deserving an easy lable for quick identification.

Yes, I am not politically Correct!



On a side note…
I love pointing out to friends the irony of the fascista relief’s flanking the podium in the House and Senate and the Swastikas down in the passages of the capitol building.
It’s silly how ancient symbols of unity and luck got so twisted by a few evil people.

Don’t worry; I don’t think a few evil people can give the Muslim religion as a whole a bad name. They may tarnish it temporarily but have faith. Time and a lot of tough fighting will eventually heal the wounds.

[Sayeret]

Why is it acceptable for Promillo (and other users) to use this word time and time again, yet someone put "Jewish asshole" and the entire forum literally pulled there favourite guns out on his head?

Am I missing something here?

I believe Islamo-Fascists is used to describe Islamic extremists while "Jewish asshole" was directed against an individual man who was convicted of a crime and happened to be Jewish.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

welcome to the typical BS that happens in the world

It's ok to put **** on Muslims.

But it's not ok to put **** on Jews. No offense to the jews here. They are alright. But it is something that is happening. "he said something bad a jew he's a NAZI!" is prevelant in this world. Even if the Jewish Asshole. Was an asshole.

[Kilgor]

welcome to the typical BS that happens in the world

It's ok to put **** on Muslims.

But it's not ok to put **** on Jews. No offense to the jews here. They are alright. But it is something that is happening. "he said something bad a jew he's a NAZI!" is prevelant in this world. Even if the Jewish Asshole. Was an asshole.

Because jews dont go around causing numerous terrorist incidents around the world.

I know thats a stupid generalisation but thats what your refering too.

Of course not all muslims are terrorists, but nearly every major terrorist incident in the world is islamic, and this negativily reflects on Muslims. Its not fair, but understandable.

If jews or christians were going around suicide bombing, cutting off heads, burning down KFC's , crashing aircraft into buildings and murdering hundreds of school children in the name of christ... well.. id expect exactly the same reaction.

[Lazy Lob]

Ayura you came to MP.NET pretending you were a Hindu, now you say you’re Muslim. Your avatar is a picture of an “insurgent”. I would not be surprised you are going back to your Muslim forums with your research of the Gora Infidels.

You are nitpicking with boring quotes about Islam when most don’t give a toss. I for instance don’t have a faith. Yet as far as you are concerned your faith says you are the holder of the truth. So where does that leave me in your opinion?

Britain, as you know, has one of the most tolerant societies in the world. Yet the Imams that preach here are imported radicals or ones that cannot even speak English and have no idea or respect for Britain. They sow discord amongst people who should be showing more integration into the national population. Then you want to blame us Goras. Talk about arse over tit.

You really have gone OTT with your poor little Muslims, all being put in the same boat and judged as terrorists. Grow up for fecks sake. All sectors of society have their chavs and people who believe to what you’re alluding to are a tiny minority.

But what is a dead cert is simmering anti British feeling there is from the UK’s Muslims. You are many more in numbers than the chavs I refer to above.

I believe the problem stems mainly from you.

[promillo]

The word is used to distinguish the normal peacefum muslim from the bomb throwing, sharia using, women stoning morons.

The Islamofascists have a fascist agenda, tied together with a barbaric medieval view of faith. So this word fits perfect and its wide used in science and politics.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

The word is used to distinguish the normal peacefum muslim from the bomb throwing, sharia using, women stoning morons.

The Islamofascists have a fascist agenda, tied together with a barbaric medieval view of faith. So this word fits perfect and its wide used in science and politics.


In an article in the 1932 Enciclopedia Italiana, written by Giovanni Gentile and attributed to Benito Mussolini, fascism is described as a system in which "The State not only is authority which governs and molds individual wills with laws and values of spiritual life, but it is also power which makes its will prevail abroad.... For the Fascist, everything is within the State and... neither individuals nor groups are outside the State.... For Fascism, the State is an absolute, before which individuals or groups are only relative...."

From the wikipedia

Hmm. The state is absolute in facsism. According to the islamic fundementalists Islam is above all else including the state.

:roll:

[promillo]

The eurofascist calls it staate, the islamofascist calls it ummah but they both mean the same:
Total control over their slaves life, no tolerance for other points of view, the killing of dissidents, the enslavement of the masses, the principle of order and obedience, the absolutism in every branch of society, the hate- and warmonging, the use of scapegoats (mostly jews) to give someone else the blame for the own incompetence and dumbness, the crimes against humanity.

[Sayeret]

The word is used to distinguish the normal peacefum muslim from the bomb throwing, sharia using, women stoning morons.

The Islamofascists have a fascist agenda, tied together with a barbaric medieval view of faith. So this word fits perfect and its wide used in science and politics.


In an article in the 1932 Enciclopedia Italiana, written by Giovanni Gentile and attributed to Benito Mussolini, fascism is described as a system in which "The State not only is authority which governs and molds individual wills with laws and values of spiritual life, but it is also power which makes its will prevail abroad.... For the Fascist, everything is within the State and... neither individuals nor groups are outside the State.... For Fascism, the State is an absolute, before which individuals or groups are only relative...."

From the wikipedia

Hmm. The state is absolute in facsism. According to the islamic fundementalists Islam is above all else including the state.

:roll:

Like I said earlier from what I've seen Islamo-Facist is used to describe Islamic extremists and not moderate Muslims.

[Sayeret]

welcome to the typical BS that happens in the world

It's ok to put **** on Muslims.

But it's not ok to put **** on Jews. No offense to the jews here. They are alright. But it is something that is happening. "he said something bad a jew he's a NAZI!" is prevelant in this world. Even if the Jewish Asshole. Was an asshole.

I found comment about the man being convicted offensive because it said Jewish asshole, like the reason he was an asshole had to do with the fact he was Jewish.

Also I don't know about you but the world is a very different place then the place on this forum. Just because a lot of people accuse people of being Nazis on this site doesn't mean that's how things really are.

[Clearday-TRForce]

From the wikipedia

Hmm. The state is absolute in facsism. According to the islamic fundementalists Islam is above all else including the state.



So what s Turkey about? we are all muslims and what do we have here?

[promillo]

From the wikipedia

Hmm. The state is absolute in facsism. According to the islamic fundementalists Islam is above all else including the state.



So what s Turkey about? we are all muslims and what do we have here?


You have a strong and well educated army who is protecting the modern saecular state from being overthrown by islamofascists. You see, after educated in the turkish army, muslims can be modern and tolerant.

When will YOU serve?

[Clearday-TRForce]

sorry but it s a full of crap, no one confront "people", no military it s a people vote. How can military rule the 75 ml country if this country hasnt desire to be modern? noone achieve it. But I agree with u in some points, when a government in doubt, military is so strong to confront all. No one turns us extremist idiots. We are muslims (but everybody free to choose religion what they want,it s not important Christian or Jews or anything else,coz we dont care religions in state),and we love democracy,laws,rules, etc others.


note: I was a Gendairme commando Lieutenant.

[Clearday-TRForce]

and again dont forget, it s a Turkish military,not someone. I mean Turks rule Turks,and it s normal.We can find our solutions in our ways.

[Umm-Qasr]

Bla bla bla ... :|

[Clearday-TRForce]

does it belongs me?
if it s who are you, an Arab? what do you wanna know?

[Kontra1]

Well CD..what promillo says partially true.The army IS the protector of secular system and the constituon.He's making the mistake where he thinks that the rest of the population is just a bunch of fundementalists and they're being kept under controll by some generals.If the army didn't have the continuing moral support from the public,they could never be able to protect the constitution.People who would want to change the system makes only a small part of the population and they can never use violance to do that...we have to be aware of them using the democratic ways to achive their goals...just like the current gov't is doing now.

Kontra1

[Clearday-TRForce]

if people doesnt have enough desire to be a modern country, no one back the democratic,secularism here. 75 ml people is at least %85 is so comfortable in democratic secular system...%5-7 can be under comunism,others can be ruled under bull**** management like ARABS,IRANS...



NO WAY TO GOVERNMENTS LIKE ARABS,IRANS have in Turkey, we are far beyond them,no doubt. We always see IRANS when they come here in airport,they start to change their clothes,wearing some comfortable,suitable clothes...WHY?

I think Iran has to choose democracy now, and must fire all extreme falsified supposedly Islamic people there...We Turks can help them,but their Mollas dont allow someone...AT LAST WE WILL BREAK ALL THEIR MOLLAS THERE...And put the real religion values there...For us They are full of bull****... ;)

[hughdotoh]

if people doesnt have enough desire to be a modern country, no one back the democratic,secularism here. 75 ml people is at least %85 is so comfortable in democratic secular system...%5-7 can be under comunism,others can be ruled under bull**** management like ARABS,IRANS...



NO WAY TO GOVERNMENTS LIKE ARABS,IRANS have in Turkey, we are far beyond them,no doubt. We always see IRANS when they come here in airport,they start to change their clothes,wearing some comfortable,suitable clothes...WHY?

I think Iran has to choose democracy now, and must fire all extreme falsified supposedly Islamic people there...We Turks can help them,but their Mollas dont allow someone...AT LAST WE WILL BREAK ALL THEIR MOLLAS THERE...And put the real religion values there...For us They are full of bull****... ;)

I had the privilege to hear two sides of Islam: Both Sunni, but completely opposite each other. The Turkish Imam said that love of God above all else and treating ALL regardless of religion as fellow Muslims was the way to paradise, which is not a garden full of fruits and virgins, but is a state of being close to God. The Egyptian Imam said that only Muslims will go to heaven, and it was the duty of every Muslim to convert the infidel or to enslave or slay them if they refuse, and that death in a warlike jihad leads to that virgin palace.

A third view was presented to me by a Palestinian student, officially listed as Muslim: "Who gives a ****? If they don't bother me, I won't bother them. ****it."

[Ayura]

Whoever the Egyptian Imam is cannot possibly be an Imam!!!


"Those who believe (in the Quran), and those who follow the Jewish (scriptures), and the Christians and the Sabians,- any who believe in God and the Last Day, and work righteousness, shall have their reward with their Lord; on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. (The Noble Quran, 2:62)"


So what exactly is the Egyptian person talking about?

[Ayura]

and it was the duty of every Muslim to convert the infidel or to enslave or slay them if they refuse,


The Noble Qu'ran 16:125

"Invite (all) to the way of thy Lord with wisdom and beautiful preaching; and argue with them in ways that are best and most gracious: For thy Lord knoweth best, who have strayed from His Path, and who receive guidance. (The Noble Quran, 16:125)"


What is this Egyptian talking about?

[Ayura]

or slay them if they refuse

Again, wtf is going on?

Sûrah al-Baqarah: 256

“Let there be no compulsion in religion. Truth has been made clear from error. Whoever rejects false worship and believes in Allah has grasped the most trustworthy handhold that never breaks. And Allah hears and knows all things.”

[hughdotoh]

Like I said once before, it's not Islam he's spreading it's Bedouin tribalism. You tell him, I am infidel enough to know it to be risky to do it myself (please refer to avater at left).

If however you had a central authority like the Patriarch or Pope to regulate what is taught in madrasahs, even without state supervison, then surely we need not worry about the intolerant gaining any adherents.