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pathfinder82
06-01-2005, 09:58 PM
It kind of sounds like you have pretty much made up your mind to enlist.

Considering your situation I think you should, I would, I did.

What do you want to be doing in 5-10 years if you didnt?

melon
06-01-2005, 09:59 PM
Never been in your shoes, but stay in school any way you can, finish, then go onto whatever branch you want. The military can wait for you to finish your education.

I went Marines first, then college, and never finished yet. Getting back into the school groove is harder the older you get. Job, wife, kids, ect all get in the way. Try paying for all that when you get out.

Just my 2 cents. Perhaps a local reserve unit to help pay for school until you finish, then apply for active duty. Something, but IMO, an education is worth more in the long run, considering how much you have done so far. An education is worth close to a million dollars of additional income through the rest of your life. It opens doors and opportunities when you return to civilian life.
Again, just my 2 cents.

Melon

FallenAngel
06-01-2005, 09:59 PM
if there's anyway you can swing college I suggest you do that. The benefits of a higher education pays off big time further down the road. Course, that's just my $.02.

As for your grades.....perhaps a little less time on the grid-iron and a little more time in the library is what you need. ;)

MEGR
06-01-2005, 10:01 PM
Get your college degree.

PhillyMobster
06-01-2005, 10:13 PM
Get your college degree.

bah, and do what with it? One guy I ran into at MEPs was joining the Navy. He was 28, had a degree in Administration of Justice from the University of North Carolina, and had not managed to get a single long-term job since he graduated, three years before.

MEGR
06-01-2005, 10:20 PM
Get your college degree.

bah, and do what with it?

Now you know the answer to that.

Anyways, I suppose it can be something to lean upon just in case he drops out or is discharged.

I love Rachael Leigh Cook
06-01-2005, 10:20 PM
Yes do it!




And if it doesn't work out, come back and tell me, because I got lots of other great ideas. :hug:

pathfinder82
06-01-2005, 10:23 PM
I Have no Idea what you are studying in college but the majority of the people I know who attended college are in worse shape financially than I am. I live on a modest police officers salary yet make more than most of the graduates I know nearly 5 years after they graduated. Most took jobs at carmax etc.. after graduation because the jobs they had spent so much time and money training for were filled by people who went to 2 year technical schools. I have only one friend who did well after school, and he was lucky, his family helped him get his job with Coca Cola.

My father after vietnam went back into the trades. He was a electrical apprentice before the draft, so he went back to finish up after the war.

Growing up I didnt have a lot of money, we had what we needed but not alot of what we wanted, he probably made around 40-50,000 a year back then. Well now hes near retirement and hes making well over 100,000 dollars a year without his yearly bonus. He has a company car, access to his bosses summer homes and all their toys, its a nice life for him. He never went to college, he did a 4 year apprenticeship program, the whole time he was being payed.

TuNeRsHaRk
06-01-2005, 10:52 PM
i know 3 yrs of JROTC gets you to E3 when you enlist but not sure about college ROTC
where will finishing college get you faster than enlisting now will?

Jagr
06-01-2005, 11:08 PM
If at all possible keep going with college.. anything you can get finished now is about 500% easier than finding the time and motivation to get it later. There will be a direct benefit for you in any branch as well. They are looking to get good candidates now more than ever..you should be able to swing yourself a deal to aid your future education.. As for your grades, get you A%$ in gear and show you have the ability to focus and do a job right..

Rightly or wrongly a degree is a big advantage in life..from military life to civilian life..And it is VERY hard to get back into it once you are out of it.. This thing called the "War on Terror" isn't going to end tomorrow.. get everything you can get..there will still be plenty of "work" left in couple of years..

stoked
06-01-2005, 11:25 PM
"I hate to dump on education, but I think its overrated."

I think it's overrated too. I'm a college grad and right now it's not worth much. There's nothing wrong with a career in the military and there's nothing wrong with retiring military. You're gonna need all the retirement you can get and the V.A. benefits can come in real handy.

Bama_Operator
06-01-2005, 11:54 PM
"I hate to dump on education, but I think its overrated."

I think it's overrated too. I'm a college grad and right now it's not worth much. There's nothing wrong with a career in the military and there's nothing wrong with retiring military. You're gonna need all the retirement you can get and the V.A. benefits can come in real handy.

What kind of degree did you guys earn? Yes, degrees are not worth much if you received some worthless liberal arts degree and did not go to Grad School afterwards.

I have my BSME and after working 9 years, I am making $150K per year. I dont know where you reside, but that is a decent amount of money in my neck of the woods.

If you drop out of school, and have any type of accident before you ship off that you can not receive a "clean bill of health", you're screwed.

I was at VMI going the Marine ROTC route, and screwed up my knee playing football. There was no way I was going to be able to clear the medical exam after my knee was reset. If it wasnt for my backup plan of becoming an engineer, I would have been SOL, because Uncle Sam would have just said "Sorry".

There are plenty of scholarship routes to earn, you just have to look for them. Dont give up on the sheepskin so easily.

A Soldier
06-01-2005, 11:58 PM
Thanks for everyones input, and yes as of now I plan on a career with the Army, 20 years of service sounds fine to me. I would like to be an officer and as of now thats the plan but the urge to go get in and begin ASAP is strong, not to mention my current situation stated above. Well thanks for everyone's input I plan on speaking with our Battalion's CO tomm. I'll let you know how it goes.

Danzer
06-02-2005, 12:06 AM
It depends on what you want to do in life.

Do you want to be a career military type?

If not I would stick with college and just join the reserves. Just say you sign up for 3 years. What next? you still need to finish your education to get any decent job. And lets be honest. Military pay is not that great compared to what you can earn in civvie street with a degree. Despite the benefits.

From what you said in your post I get the impression that you wanted to join when you left school. But went college instead. Now because of the financial strain and less then stellar results your thinking about it again.

Ask yourself the question. If it wasent for the financial strain would you be even considering it?

If you do join where would you be in 5 years time compared to where you would be in 5 years time in civvie street.

Very wise answer and i agree with Minardiau on this one. You're what now? 20? 21? lets's say you're 42 when youget out after 20 years? Then what? Be smart. Get the degree :D

melon
06-02-2005, 12:09 AM
[quote="Bama_Operator"]
What kind of degree did you guys earn? Yes, degrees are not worth much if you received some worthless liberal arts degree and did not go to Grad School afterwards.

I have my BSME and after working 9 years, I am making $150K per year. I dont know where you reside, but that is a decent amount of money in my neck of the woods.

[quote]

Was thinking the same thing. If it wasnt for starting my own business, I would be stuck making at most, $50k to $70k for the rest of my life, living off the Socialist Security, government teat during retirement.

vote for Pedro
06-02-2005, 12:10 AM
I joined first and then got my degrees, and let me tell you, I wish I did it the other way around. The older you get, the more difficult it is to get through school because you have a lot more responsibilities. I did a little college before the military, and I can say it was easier then. I finished my last of two degrees at 33, and it was not easy. Also, enlistment blows compared to being an officer. Officers make a lot more cash, and have a lot more decision making privileges and perks. The GI bill did help though, but I still would recomend getting college done first. Just get the college thing done first, it will increase your options not only in the military, but in all aspects of life. You will have more options with a degree.

mi35d
06-02-2005, 12:10 AM
A consideration might be to go National Guard - the loan repayment programs can be rather nice. The RTI commisioning program will get you your 2LT before you even finish college. (Next 60 credits to start - 90 to get pinned.) Or, go into an applicable enlisted MOS and do a split train option (if available). You go to basic and your advanced schools during the summer.

mudbunny
06-02-2005, 12:15 AM
dude, your in your 3rd year of college. It 's a helluva lot easier to just finish school and enlist than enlist and try to geet your schooling in. The army or whomever will still be there when you get out, trust me. If you graduate and you've been in ROTC you get a commision right? It sounds to me like your looking for a reason to get out of school.

FINISH SCHOOL!!!!!

a college degree is a helluva lot harder to attain than an enlistment contract. By the way, I'm a vet who served and is now in college so I'm talking out of my rear end.

Fioraon
06-02-2005, 12:26 AM
Finish school. I just finished my first year at college. It is not something I want to do and I am not happy about having to contenue. I nearly convinced myself to enlist. Last week I walked into the recruiter's office and told them to find me an airborne contract! They were very happy to help me and more than happy to inform me about how I can finish school while serving. I arranged to take the ASVAB after the holiday. This was a bad move on their part because I got to thinking and the more I thought the more I started to doubt the realities of joining up and later returning to school the achive my career goals. The military isn't going anywhere soon, and if you are worried you wont get a chance to punch zarkahwi in the face then maybe you should consider your reasons for joining.

saltandpepper
06-02-2005, 12:33 AM
Finish college.

File FAFSA. Take out loanes if you need to, then have Army pay them off for you when you enliste after graduation.

If you got good time management and can handel Ranger or SF work while getting a degree at the same time then I praise you. Else, just finish college first.

Be the best at what ever you do. Including academics.

Good Luck. ;)

stoked
06-02-2005, 01:29 AM
"What kind of degree did you guys earn? Yes, degrees are not worth much if you received some worthless liberal arts degree and did not go to Grad School afterwards.

I got a BSCS with a minor in Math. BSME and BSEE would be better these days. And to get into the six figures, you really do have to be working for yourself. I knew one gal who got out of the service (Navy?) got her BSCS and proceeded to get screwed in her career. She said she wished she'd just stayed in the military. School is a lot of work but doesn't pay off for everyone. Hell, some of the most successful people I know have no degree at all. Sometimes I think the only ones making money are the profs. (I call it the Educational Industrial complex.)

Flagg
06-02-2005, 02:26 AM
I would suggest a serious dose of self-discipline first and consider finishing what you have already started.

You may have valid and justifiable reasons for ditching university for the military BEFORE receiving your degree but is it possible you may regret finishing what you started?

If you think the military will be EASIER than university that would be incorrect.

Although individual cases vary GREATLY(I know many poor university grads and quite a few very wealthy people who never stepped foot inside a uni classroom), the odds are that if you fail to complete a university degree your earning potential over your work life is dramatically lower and your options are fewer.

Think about the word regret NOW so as to try and avoid that word AFTER you have made your decision.

fantassin
06-02-2005, 02:58 AM
Or else, try http://www.br-legion.com/ang/index.html


;)

spyguy
06-02-2005, 03:59 AM
Assuming you've not made up your mind already, I'm done with my third year of college but still have two more because of a transfer and wanted to enlist after college. There is a lot to learn from college if you pay attention and try to get your moneys worth. I'd say listen to those who have actually done what you want to do or are doing it now. Then listen to the guys who are telling you to consider the Reserves. The Marines have great options for people who are still in school with the split option commission. Also if you take a 6x2 Reserve contract (Marines I'm talking about) you can get money for college. If you decide that you still want to go Ranger after school then so be it, you can break your contract to go Active duty (from what I understand) and as long as you are enlisted (didn't take the split option) you can go to any other branch.

I thought about the split option but decided to just take off and join the Reserve unit near my home. If your only reasons for not finishing are the ones you've stated, there are very legitimate alternatives that address those issues and involve finishing college.

Think about it.


SG



I'm a MC poolee in DEP on an reserve 6x2 contract.

bluffcove
06-02-2005, 06:07 AM
You want to quit college to join the military.

I dont know what the US is like but in the UK, quitters don't do too well when it come round to promotion boards, Commissioning etc etc.

Do you want to have to tell every superior officer you meet your grounds for dropping out, cos tey will ask, and do you want your guys below you to be asking if you left cos you werent bright enough to complete.

Leaving college will qualify you as a qitter!
Dont quit, stick it out. It isnt like the military is going to be all fun and games either, so Stay at college and enjoy the freedom before lifed actually gets serious.

sp2c
06-02-2005, 06:27 AM
it's your decision and one of the most important ones to make in the near future at that, so you must decide that for yourself

Laconian
06-02-2005, 07:22 AM
A consideration might be to go National Guard - the loan repayment programs can be rather nice. The RTI commisioning program will get you your 2LT before you even finish college. (Next 60 credits to start - 90 to get pinned.) Or, go into an applicable enlisted MOS and do a split train option (if available). You go to basic and your advanced schools during the summer.

Excellent advice. Stay in school, the military ain't going nowhere. You want to do as much as you can on your terms. The degree will do that for you, more than enlisting now and trying to go back to school later. Find a way to make it work, that in itself will be an education and start you on a path of stick-to-it-tiveness for doing what needs to be done rather than what you might want at the time. Also, get your grades up as much as you can. Although further education seems like nothing you want, good grades open many doors. For government jobs there is the outstanding scholar program etc. I was on the Dean's other list in school, I wish I had worked harder academically now.

Good luck.

V/E
06-02-2005, 07:44 AM
Be cool stay in school :D

Drako
06-02-2005, 08:27 AM
Be cool stay in school :D

x2

College/uni is fun, it's the best time in your life. Work on weekends and try to get money for all the cost, it's worth it.

I'm doing the second year of master engineer degree on university of technology and I'm seriously thinking about the military career. I study EE and it isn't very interesting for me but I know that what I learn will be useful later, no matter if I end on civvi street or in military. It will give me a better start in military for sure (if only I manage to get to officer corps). I was arranging a military course for the next year for me recently and the officer in recruiting center was more than kind when he's heard what degree I'm doing. He told me about all the possibilities I'll have after finishing the uni. Basically he said that if I manage to get in and complete the officer's school, within a year after I join I'll be able to get a specialists spot in any unit I wish. I guess in the US military works similarly and they will welcome you with open hands if come to them with a degree. It will also give you the option to resign from military and find a better paid job later. Think about it.

Yeti
06-02-2005, 09:08 AM
Anyone who tells you NOT to stay in school, probably has not completed their own education. Stay in school. It will be 10x harder than you think to return and finish.

Freibier
06-02-2005, 09:17 AM
Stay in college and if you want to join after you have your degree, start a officers career.
Dunno how it works in the US but in Germany everything gets MUCH easier after you have a college degree.
I bet if you join up now, you'll regrett not finishing school later

2Sheds_Jackson
06-02-2005, 09:22 AM
.... Stay in school. It will be 10x harder than you think to return and finish.

That's a true statement, IMHO. You've only got 1 year left - stick it out. The military is not the only thing in life that will test your capabilities, resolve and determination - you are being tested right now. It's a lot harder to find the time/money to go back once you've left (since time has a way of complicating your life). The Army isn't going anywhere - and you'll have far more opportunities both in the Army & in life with a degree (whether or not a degree actually means anything in real terms is beside the point - the job market is what it is, and a degree does have value).

Werewolf01
06-02-2005, 09:52 AM
FINISH YOUR DEGREE!!!!

Glass2
06-02-2005, 10:36 AM
I certainly see both sides of the equation, and see the pro's/con's of both. Finishing your education now is a heck of alot easier than doing it later, BTDT. I do see the financial aspect of it as well, and student loans can sometimes be more trouble than they end up being worth.

I'd suggest looking for more financial aid options, and then go from there. As mentioned above, they are out there if you look for them.

Another thing to consider... life doesn't happen in a vaccuum. It isn't realistic to assume you will be content with a path for the next 20 years, especially with limited insight as to what it entails day to day. I have the upmost respect for anyone that puts in a career enlisted. My grandfather retired a Master Chief from the USN (UDT/NCDU), and was always a man I was proud of. But I know it takes a certain kind of person to do it, and by far, I see more enlisted guys get out than I ever see retire.

Also, and I truly do not intend to sound like a *****, but from the statements you've made about looking for the "fast, easier track" and having mediocre grades in school, you might want to really take a hard, honest look in your consideration of Special Ops. Niether of the units you mentioned are "fast and easy" to get into, nor do they have a place for mediocre. I'm not in SOF, but have known alot of them in my life time. None of them ever got where they did by brawn alone, but by mental determination and a will to persevere. That was usually something you saw demonstrated in EVERY part of their life.

I'm not at all implying you couldn't make it; just suggesting you keep all those things on the forefront of you mind.

Good luck whichever direction you take.

A Soldier
06-02-2005, 03:31 PM
Once again you guys have been much help, yes I understand the hard work that will be required of me, and my GPA is actually decent just seems low to my personal standards. And I'm not looking for the easy way into the special ops community, just the more rewarding one. I always felt sitting at school while all the action takes place that I'm missing out or wont get to serve as fully as the guys in right now. It frustrates me that I cant accelerate my career path, but after talking to my CO I have found a way to stay in school and finish my two last years and comission in '07 . I will be joining the Reserves and they offer tuition assistance for my last two years, then once I comission I will go out to active duty. Hopefully Ranger school after I graduate. Thanks again but for now I think my situation is solved and I plan on busting my ass to get where I need to be these last two years. Oh and this will be my last year playing football, I need to focus my full attention on my career .

PhillyMobster
06-02-2005, 03:42 PM
Once again you guys have been much help, yes I understand the hard work that will be required of me, and my GPA is actually decent just seems low to my personal standards. And I'm not looking for the easy way into the special ops community, just the more rewarding one. I always felt sitting at school while all the action takes place that I'm missing out or wont get to serve as fully as the guys in right now. It frustrates me that I cant accelerate my career path, but after talking to my CO I have found a way to stay in school and finish my two last years and comission in '07 . I will be joining the Reserves and they offer tuition assistance for my last two years, then once I comission I will go out to active duty. Hopefully Ranger school after I graduate. Thanks again but for now I think my situation is solved and I plan on busting my ass to get where I need to be these last two years. Oh and this will be my last year playing football, I need to focus my full attention on my career .

Awesome, man. If thats really your decision, cool. More power to ya. Good luck. :P

SPQR
06-02-2005, 04:17 PM
The reserves is an excellent idea and allows for finishing college AND helping with tuition while serving in the military, you can always go active duty later if you like the military lifestyle with the option of a career as an officer after you graduate college. It has been my experience that enlisted personnel, wether reserve or not always had an advantage when trying for a commission as an officer and got more respect from the future enlisted personnel who serve under you, since you were "one of them".

BusterHyman
06-02-2005, 04:31 PM
Last place I would ask for life advice is a public message board.

A Soldier
06-02-2005, 04:56 PM
you have been here how long? yeah there are some idiots here but there are also people who are legit and have experience with the military that is quite valuable.

11F5S
06-02-2005, 05:00 PM
I hate to dump on education, but I think its overrated.


That is the most ignorant statement I have seen here on MP.net

James
06-02-2005, 05:06 PM
I went to college for 2 years (91-93) and was in Army ROTC. I had always been interested in enlisting, and ROTC wasn't cutting it for me. So... I dropped out and enlisted in the USMC as a grunt. Looking back, it was one of the best decisions I've made for my life. I returned to college and got my BA after i left active duty.

Now, though, I would encourage you to stay in school. It seems that you are choosing between an education and going to war. I thik that's a better choice in the long run. Work hard, get a job, take out loans, whatever. Military service will always be an option.

11F5S
06-02-2005, 05:16 PM
Once again you guys have been much help, yes I understand the hard work that will be required of me, and my GPA is actually decent just seems low to my personal standards. And I'm not looking for the easy way into the special ops community, just the more rewarding one. I always felt sitting at school while all the action takes place that I'm missing out or wont get to serve as fully as the guys in right now. It frustrates me that I cant accelerate my career path, but after talking to my CO I have found a way to stay in school and finish my two last years and comission in '07 . I will be joining the Reserves and they offer tuition assistance for my last two years, then once I comission I will go out to active duty. Hopefully Ranger school after I graduate. Thanks again but for now I think my situation is solved and I plan on busting my ass to get where I need to be these last two years. Oh and this will be my last year playing football, I need to focus my full attention on my career .

Excellent...higher grades will be more beneficial to you than playing football will.

I would suggest that if you need the funds, do not hesitate to obtain student loans...they are a bargain in the long run...do not let serving in the USAR interfere with your long term goals....the most important thing is earning the best grades that you are capable of.

11F5S
06-02-2005, 05:19 PM
Anyone who tells you NOT to stay in school, probably has not completed their own education. Stay in school. It will be 10x harder than you think to return and finish.


Amen

askDNA
06-02-2005, 05:54 PM
Join the Reserves and finish up your college and get your commission.

Trident-za
06-02-2005, 06:11 PM
I haven't read through the entire argument here, so I might be repeating whats already been said... but if I were you, I'd complete the degree, and take it seriously. Why? Because the important thing you'll learn from 'college' (if u take it semi-seriously) is something which is crucial no matter what you do with the rest of your life : the ability to think and the ability to question. These 'skills' are very rare in modern society, but are very useful in any situation. The subject matter is largely irrelevant, its the ability to read masses of data and interpret it properly which is important.

However, if you aren't taking your studies seriously, you are wasting your time anyway so you might as well give up now. Just be sure of why you are choosing to make whatever decision you make - the consequences are lifelong.

Important point: finishing college without taking it seriously teaches you nothing useful. The ability to critically evaluate is very useful, however :) There are a large number of people who criticize 'higher education' without having a clue what it's supposed to be about, or having experienced it. Yes, you can get by without it.... but you can get by better with it, even in combat.

I don't know what it's like in US SF, or other countries, but in the South African SF unit, a suprisingly big percentage of the operators had degrees - many of them with post-grad degrees or doctorates. The ability to think is priceless.

Bootneck
06-02-2005, 06:26 PM
You could do a lot worse than some of the advice offered in this thread.


Last place I would ask for life advice is a public message board.

madeinmoscow
06-02-2005, 07:02 PM
It seems to be that you are unexcited/unmotivated to go to college right now. So, if I were you, I would enlist and go to a Ranger Bat. Do your 4 years, apply to Green-to-Gold or just get out, finish college and then think about what you want to do. Now is the fun time to be in the military: you will actually get to do something. I know that quitting something you have started may suck, but that;s what you have to do sometimes.

If/when you go back as an officer, you will be much more respected by the enlisted guys. If you never do it, you will have great memories of being an Army Ranger (good luck making it, by the way). I think that for a young guy, it is much more fun to be enlisted.

I have no idea what the right thing to do for YOu is, but if it were ME, that's what I would do.

ElHombre
06-02-2005, 10:02 PM
A Soldier, there is something to consider in your decision. the chance that you will be killed or seriously wounded in the line of duty if you enlist. it is difficult for someone as young as yourself to understand but picture yourself without your writing hand. or covered with burns, etc.

just keep it in mind.

NcDeuce
06-02-2005, 10:20 PM
Don't commit a "Pat Tillman." Get your Comission and you are going to be in a much better position. You get paid a lot more and are a lot less likely to be killed, even if you decide to become a Ranger. :hug:

I am stunned the Rangers can get anyone to join. :cantbeli:

You, sir, are not very bright and in no position to say which "positions" are less likely to result in being killed. Officers are maimed and killed along with everyone else in the fighting force.


Once again you guys have been much help, yes I understand the hard work that will be required of me, and my GPA is actually decent just seems low to my personal standards. And I'm not looking for the easy way into the special ops community, just the more rewarding one. I always felt sitting at school while all the action takes place that I'm missing out or wont get to serve as fully as the guys in right now. It frustrates me that I cant accelerate my career path, but after talking to my CO I have found a way to stay in school and finish my two last years and comission in '07 . I will be joining the Reserves and they offer tuition assistance for my last two years, then once I comission I will go out to active duty. Hopefully Ranger school after I graduate. Thanks again but for now I think my situation is solved and I plan on busting my ass to get where I need to be these last two years. Oh and this will be my last year playing football, I need to focus my full attention on my career .

Good decision, I'll be a butter bar in '07 as well. Hit the books hard this year man, the MSIII year is basically the deciding factor in your branch assessments.

And if you don't get your branch, don't sweat it. You can still go to Ranger School and all those high-speed schools. Just remember, you can't even join Special Forces until you hit O-4! And you don't have to come from Infantry to join SF. And the wars and deployments will always be there so don't feel rushed to get out there.

PhillyMobster
06-02-2005, 10:42 PM
I hate to dump on education, but I think its overrated.


That is the most ignorant statement I have seen here on MP.net

well excuse me for having an opinion about it, but when I'm sitting in a classroom taking a Level II English course, and our class asignment is to watch 'Snow White', it occured to me that I really wasn't learning that much. Education these days has become so dumbed down that people don't learn anymore. They just get their ticket stamped, and move on to get a job. The whole point to going to college was to further your education. Now, its become a glorified extension of highschool.

Airborneranger4israel
06-02-2005, 11:34 PM
you'll be more attractive to the military if you finish college then you can become an officer and have more freedom as well as better pay. stick with it , im sure u can find a tutor who will do pro bono work for a brave person such as yourself who is thinking of joining the military

jedisponge
06-03-2005, 02:28 AM
I hate to dump on education, but I think its overrated.


That is the most ignorant statement I have seen here on MP.net

well excuse me for having an opinion about it, but when I'm sitting in a classroom taking a Level II English course, and our class asignment is to watch 'Snow White', it occured to me that I really wasn't learning that much. Education these days has become so dumbed down that people don't learn anymore. They just get their ticket stamped, and move on to get a job. The whole point to going to college was to further your education. Now, its become a glorified extension of highschool.
Find a different college. Or at least better proffessors.

In the long run, college helps in both education and the experience. Both go hand-in-hand in helping you learn and perceive what's going on in the world.

RGRBOX
06-03-2005, 02:52 AM
Finishing school would be your best bet, but looking at the situation your in, then I would go into the Army. You can return to school afterwards with the GI Bill, and I myself got two years of college courses in my ten years in the Army, Plus my service time counted in credit hours at my school, between deployment, and military schools. I've got a freind who got his Masters in Int. Affairs, in just one year. The Army offers a lot, plus when I got out I was better mentally prepaired to return to school.. I was more serious, then all of the 18 yrs old in my classes. You may get your E-4 when enlisting also. I would at least talk to a recruiter about my options and see what the Army could do for me.

Malarky
06-03-2005, 02:59 AM
You should look at it like this. You go to school to get an education, not a job. I diploma will help you ge the latter, but the education you receive is what will alst you forever, not the degree. If you feel that your calling is military service, then do it. School will always be there, but I will tell you it is HARDER to get back into it at a later time. So just ask yourself (am I here for the degree, or the education?) If you answered the degree, then you are in the wrong place. Go into the branch of service you think you could do the best for your country, not yourself.

11F5S
06-03-2005, 08:04 AM
I hate to dump on education, but I think its overrated.


That is the most ignorant statement I have seen here on MP.net

well excuse me for having an opinion about it, but when I'm sitting in a classroom taking a Level II English course, and our class asignment is to watch 'Snow White', it occured to me that I really wasn't learning that much. Education these days has become so dumbed down that people don't learn anymore. They just get their ticket stamped, and move on to get a job. The whole point to going to college was to further your education. Now, its become a glorified extension of highschool.
Find a different college. Or at least better proffessors.

In the long run, college helps in both education and the experience. Both go hand-in-hand in helping you learn and perceive what's going on in the world.

I wouldn't waste my time trying to explain anything about life to the young mobster...he has it all figured out on his own...afterall he has beaucoup years of experience to rely on.

11F5S
06-03-2005, 08:09 AM
I hate to dump on education, but I think its overrated.


That is the most ignorant statement I have seen here on MP.net

well excuse me for having an opinion about it, but when I'm sitting in a classroom taking a Level II English course, and our class asignment is to watch 'Snow White', it occured to me that I really wasn't learning that much. Education these days has become so dumbed down that people don't learn anymore. They just get their ticket stamped, and move on to get a job. The whole point to going to college was to further your education. Now, its become a glorified extension of highschool.

No matter what you say, your original statement remains the most ignorant statement that I have ever seen on MP.net.

Hopefully someday you may actually have a clue about how education and life really work.

MCWARPIG
06-03-2005, 09:45 AM
Check your PM.

I would go talk to a NG recruiter. You can sign a 6x2 or 3x5 and get enlistment bonus money, 6x2 gets you state tuition assistance programs and any contract will get you federal tuition assistance and GI Bill money. If you piece that together with any FAFSA money and the hundreds of little grants and scholarships that you should be applying for, a free ride to college is very realistic. NC has a different program than my state, but here I can get a student 100% tuition from the state plus about $600 in his pocket every month. Not to mention $10,000 in enlistment bonus or twice that in student loan repayment.

Any reserve plan should get you sworn in and in a service while you go to school. You do have to keep an adequate GPA though.


Also, if you decide you want to go active duty after college, a NG unit will likely release you to enlist into the active ARMY.

PhillyMobster
06-03-2005, 10:52 AM
I hate to dump on education, but I think its overrated.


That is the most ignorant statement I have seen here on MP.net

well excuse me for having an opinion about it, but when I'm sitting in a classroom taking a Level II English course, and our class asignment is to watch 'Snow White', it occured to me that I really wasn't learning that much. Education these days has become so dumbed down that people don't learn anymore. They just get their ticket stamped, and move on to get a job. The whole point to going to college was to further your education. Now, its become a glorified extension of highschool.
Find a different college. Or at least better proffessors.

In the long run, college helps in both education and the experience. Both go hand-in-hand in helping you learn and perceive what's going on in the world.

Uhuh. Yeah, and have you noticed that college isn't cheap these days?

BadTolz
06-03-2005, 10:59 AM
Stay in School. You need to discipline yourself and do better. Getting that degree once your out is much harder to accomplish and who in the hell wants to go into the Army as an E-3 or E-4 when you can do it as an O-1. As an officer you get your own place to stay and alot more benefits than the enlisted.

Pay scale
01 with less than two years service $2343.00
E3 with less than two years service $1456.00

You do the math. And if your worried about paying off the loan you'll have the money to do it if your an officer.

PhillyMobster
06-03-2005, 11:01 AM
I hate to dump on education, but I think its overrated.


That is the most ignorant statement I have seen here on MP.net

well excuse me for having an opinion about it, but when I'm sitting in a classroom taking a Level II English course, and our class asignment is to watch 'Snow White', it occured to me that I really wasn't learning that much. Education these days has become so dumbed down that people don't learn anymore. They just get their ticket stamped, and move on to get a job. The whole point to going to college was to further your education. Now, its become a glorified extension of highschool.

No matter what you say, your original statement remains the most ignorant statement that I have ever seen on MP.net.

Hopefully someday you may actually have a clue about how education and life really work.

You may very well have tons of experience in the military, for which I respect you, but my dad works at *****sburg College, and has been in higher education for 12 years. I would never tell a person that college is overrated if I didn't sincerely believe it myself. If you want to belittle my opinion, fine, but frankly the majority of instructors I have run into have done nothing but waste my time. Thats not true across the board, but I've met a lot of people who have college degrees and who are as dumb as doornails. I've never claimed to have 'it all figured out', and I wish you would retract that unnecessarily insulting remark.

High drag
06-03-2005, 12:21 PM
Soldier,

Read Tridents reply again. I don't have military experience so I will defer to those that do, but as a manager/employer/trainer of individuals for years, I am convinced that on average it takes about 5-10 years of experience for a High School graduate to reach the critical thinking and information dissemination skills of the average collge grad.

Plus, higher education can expose you to a multitude of thought politically and philosophically that you may or may not agree with. That will enable you to develop stronger convictions with empathy to opposing points of view.

However, higher education is not for everyone. My dad is brilliant and never spent a day outside of high school. But he has spent a lifetime developing technical/mathmetic skills that have enabled him to excel in his field of expertise. But I am still convinced if afforded the opportunity for higher education, you should pursue that course of action.

stoked
06-03-2005, 01:36 PM
"I would never tell a person that college is overrated if I didn't sincerely believe it myself. If you want to belittle my opinion, fine, but frankly the majority of instructors I have run into have done nothing but waste my time."

Yeah, you could learn a hell of a lot more on your own in the same time period you spend being hand fed by instructors. College is really for people who aren't motivated to learn on their own (it's a form of mediocrity really). I graduated with a BSCS/Mathematics so don't take it too personally. I'm also in the top two percentile so I'm not ignorant. Like I say, sometimes I think the only ones who make the money are the profs. Beware the Educational Industrial Complex is all I'm saying

sethen
06-03-2005, 04:16 PM
[quote=sethen]Don't commit a "Pat Tillman." Get your Comission and you are going to be in a much better position. You get paid a lot more and are a lot less likely to be killed, even if you decide to become a Ranger. :hug:

I am stunned the Rangers can get anyone to join. :cantbeli:

You, sir, are not very bright and in no position to say which "positions" are less likely to result in being killed. Officers are maimed and killed along with everyone else in the fighting force.

You are from N.C. so I am not even going to consider a flame war. I win by default. rofl rofl rofl

11F5S
06-05-2005, 12:30 AM
I hate to dump on education, but I think its overrated.


That is the most ignorant statement I have seen here on MP.net

well excuse me for having an opinion about it, but when I'm sitting in a classroom taking a Level II English course, and our class asignment is to watch 'Snow White', it occured to me that I really wasn't learning that much. Education these days has become so dumbed down that people don't learn anymore. They just get their ticket stamped, and move on to get a job. The whole point to going to college was to further your education. Now, its become a glorified extension of highschool.

No matter what you say, your original statement remains the most ignorant statement that I have ever seen on MP.net.

Hopefully someday you may actually have a clue about how education and life really work.

You may very well have tons of experience in the military, for which I respect you, but my dad works at *****sburg College, and has been in higher education for 12 years. I would never tell a person that college is overrated if I didn't sincerely believe it myself. If you want to belittle my opinion, fine, but frankly the majority of instructors I have run into have done nothing but waste my time. Thats not true across the board, but I've met a lot of people who have college degrees and who are as dumb as doornails. I've never claimed to have 'it all figured out', and I wish you would retract that unnecessarily insulting remark.

Gee...thanks but I have a lot more experience in things other than the Army. So if you want start a pissing contest, here's my short list

I earned a BS and an MBA, I've taught college as an adjunct, been a COO, CFO, and CEO in 5 corporations.....My wife holds a BA, 2 MA's, a PhD and has been a Professor, Department Chair, a Dean and an Adminstrator at major universities...We have raised 4 children and all have earned at least one college degree....I have more years on the planet than you and your dad combined.

11F5S
06-07-2005, 09:39 AM
well excuse me for having an opinion about it, but when I'm sitting in a classroom taking a Level II English course, and our class asignment is to watch 'Snow White', it occured to me that I really wasn't learning that much. Education these days has become so dumbed down that people don't learn anymore. They just get their ticket stamped, and move on to get a job. The whole point to going to college was to further your education. Now, its become a glorified extension of highschool.


You may very well have tons of experience in the military, for which I respect you, but my dad works at *****sburg College, and has been in higher education for 12 years. I would never tell a person that college is overrated if I didn't sincerely believe it myself. If you want to belittle my opinion, fine, but frankly the majority of instructors I have run into have done nothing but waste my time. Thats not true across the board, but I've met a lot of people who have college degrees and who are as dumb as doornails. I've never claimed to have 'it all figured out', and I wish you would retract that unnecessarily insulting remark.


Since you are so well educated that college is a waste of of your time you must have been a whiz kid in high school.

Were you the valedictorian or salutatorian of your class, in the National Honor Society, a National Merit Scholar, a Govenor's Scholar, or awarded a scholarship(s) from a top ranked university(s)?

How about the SAT and ACT? Did you score in the top 20 percent of the country?

Did you graduate in the top 10 percent of your high school class? If you are as smart as you think you are and did not, then you were the one who was wasting your time.

PhillyMobster
06-07-2005, 09:51 AM
well excuse me for having an opinion about it, but when I'm sitting in a classroom taking a Level II English course, and our class asignment is to watch 'Snow White', it occured to me that I really wasn't learning that much. Education these days has become so dumbed down that people don't learn anymore. They just get their ticket stamped, and move on to get a job. The whole point to going to college was to further your education. Now, its become a glorified extension of highschool.


You may very well have tons of experience in the military, for which I respect you, but my dad works at *****sburg College, and has been in higher education for 12 years. I would never tell a person that college is overrated if I didn't sincerely believe it myself. If you want to belittle my opinion, fine, but frankly the majority of instructors I have run into have done nothing but waste my time. Thats not true across the board, but I've met a lot of people who have college degrees and who are as dumb as doornails. I've never claimed to have 'it all figured out', and I wish you would retract that unnecessarily insulting remark.


Since you are so well educated that college is a waste of of your time you must have been a whiz kid in high school.

Were you the valedictorian or salutatorian of your class, in the National Honor Society, a National Merit Scholar, a Govenor's Scholar, or awarded a scholarship(s) from a top ranked university(s)?

How about the SAT and ACT? Did you score in the top 20 percent of the country?

Did you graduate in the top 10 percent of your high school class? If you are as smart as you think you are and did not, then you were the one who was wasting your time.

Wow dude, how far back in the post section did you have to look before you were able to dust this thread off and resurrect it? And congratulations on you being so smart and having all those little awards to put above your bed. Thats awesome. Peace.

Fioraon
06-07-2005, 10:20 AM
You can actually get comissioned with two years of college though you will not rank up unless you finish.

11F5S
06-07-2005, 10:33 AM
well excuse me for having an opinion about it, but when I'm sitting in a classroom taking a Level II English course, and our class asignment is to watch 'Snow White', it occured to me that I really wasn't learning that much. Education these days has become so dumbed down that people don't learn anymore. They just get their ticket stamped, and move on to get a job. The whole point to going to college was to further your education. Now, its become a glorified extension of highschool.


You may very well have tons of experience in the military, for which I respect you, but my dad works at *****sburg College, and has been in higher education for 12 years. I would never tell a person that college is overrated if I didn't sincerely believe it myself. If you want to belittle my opinion, fine, but frankly the majority of instructors I have run into have done nothing but waste my time. Thats not true across the board, but I've met a lot of people who have college degrees and who are as dumb as doornails. I've never claimed to have 'it all figured out', and I wish you would retract that unnecessarily insulting remark.


Since you are so well educated that college is a waste of of your time you must have been a whiz kid in high school.

Were you the valedictorian or salutatorian of your class, in the National Honor Society, a National Merit Scholar, a Govenor's Scholar, or awarded a scholarship(s) from a top ranked university(s)?

How about the SAT and ACT? Did you score in the top 20 percent of the country?

Did you graduate in the top 10 percent of your high school class? If you are as smart as you think you are and did not, then you were the one who was wasting your time.

Wow dude, how far back in the post section did you have to look before you were able to dust this thread off and resurrect it? And congratulations on you being so smart and having all those little awards to put above your bed. Thats awesome. Peace.

I wasn't claiming anything...I was asking about your academic achievements...I'll take your reply to mean.... no to all of the above.

PhillyMobster
06-07-2005, 10:41 AM
I wasn't claiming anything...I was asking about your academic achievements...I'll take your reply to mean.... no to all of the above.

Take it how you will, I really don't care. Whatever I say you'll just end up belittling anyway, so whats the point? :roll:

11F5S
06-07-2005, 11:05 AM
I wasn't claiming anything...I was asking about your academic achievements...I'll take your reply to mean.... no to all of the above.

Take it how you will, I really don't care. Whatever I say you'll just end up belittling anyway, so whats the point? :roll:

Silly me, for thinking that such a bright youngman could have figured that out on his own.

A Soldier
07-07-2005, 08:20 PM
I have decided a change was needed and I have went with my heart on this one........... I'm am enrolling in the US Marine Corp Platoon Leaders Course (PLC) it has what I have been looking for and school will be paid for and such. My GPA will be worked on by me and I have rededicated myself to that, as for football this is the last season for it then all my energy will be turned over to the Marine Corp. I appreciate everyones input on this matter and if you have anymore feel free to comment.

Erik2a4
07-07-2005, 08:42 PM
I have decided a change was needed and I have went with my heart on this one........... I'm am enrolling in the US Marine Corp Platoon Leaders Course (PLC) it has what I have been looking for and school will be paid for and such. My GPA will be worked on by me and I have rededicated myself to that, as for football this is the last season for it then all my energy will be turned over to the Marine Corp. I appreciate everyones input on this matter and if you have anymore feel free to comment.

Advice? Yes. As a future officer, you start to learn what one acts like. You will see many bad officers...even in the Marine Corps...but you will see the majority are good, dedicated, and smart. And you will see some incredibly intelligent, hard-core people.

Another piece of advice? Change your "location" avatar. It does not behoove a future Officer to announce to the world that he has no love for Europe...it's just tacky, and a bit immature.

I've PMed several French members of this board and others about their experiences and reference material. Feel free to dislike their government; but realize that just like our soldiers don't have control over their government, neither do they. There is a lot you can learn from them about the counter-insurgencies the French have fought in. Counter-insurgencies remarkably similiar to the ones in Iraq and the 'stan, where you may very well be leading troops in a few short years.

Good luck with OCS.

mudbunny
07-07-2005, 08:47 PM
Stay and finish school. Where is the Army going? Nowhere, and the last time I checked they have programs to help pay back your student loans. Your a damn Junior why in the hell would you drop out to enlist? I'm not saying you should stay in ROTC and get a commission but atleast stay in school. It's the smart choice. People here are saying a degree isn't worth much right now but you never know when the economy is going to turn around. If you decide you don't like the military what then? Your stuck with a 3 or 4 year hitch and you don't have a degree either, you've just screwed yourself. Find a way to finnish school and then make a decision after graduation.

Jack Mehoff
07-07-2005, 08:56 PM
Well I'm about to begin my 3rd year of college
How do you expect to do well in the military if you decide to drop out of college on your THIRD year? Are you going to drop out of Ranger school on your last mile of ruck march, too?

askDNA
07-07-2005, 09:32 PM
I have decided a change was needed and I have went with my heart on this one........... I'm am enrolling in the US Marine Corp Platoon Leaders Course (PLC) it has what I have been looking for and school will be paid for and such. My GPA will be worked on by me and I have rededicated myself to that, as for football this is the last season for it then all my energy will be turned over to the Marine Corp. I appreciate everyones input on this matter and if you have anymore feel free to comment.

How hard was PLC to get into? What was your GPA, LORs, PFT, etc?

nognig
07-07-2005, 09:35 PM
I've PMed several French members of this board and others about their experiences and reference material. Feel free to dislike their government; but realize that just like our soldiers don't have control over their government, neither do they. There is a lot you can learn from them about the counter-insurgencies the French have fought in. Counter-insurgencies remarkably similiar to the ones in Iraq and the 'stan, where you may very well be leading troops in a few short years.

Good luck with OCS.

Good post! I would think that American soldiers have more in common with French soldiers than they do with many other Americans.

NN

jedisponge
07-07-2005, 10:32 PM
I've PMed several French members of this board and others about their experiences and reference material. Feel free to dislike their government; but realize that just like our soldiers don't have control over their government, neither do they. There is a lot you can learn from them about the counter-insurgencies the French have fought in. Counter-insurgencies remarkably similiar to the ones in Iraq and the 'stan, where you may very well be leading troops in a few short years.

Good luck with OCS.
Hit the nail on the head.

Thucydides
07-07-2005, 11:21 PM
Don't listen to erik2a2, Candidate.

The Marine Corps doesn't want gentlemen. It wants tough hombres who will go in there and win.

Kill.

Thucydides
07-07-2005, 11:22 PM
Before I get the flames... IT WAS A JOKE.

abncougar
07-07-2005, 11:23 PM
Well I'm about to begin my 3rd year of college
How do you expect to do well in the military if you decide to drop out of college on your THIRD year? Are you going to drop out of Ranger school on your last mile of ruck march, too?

just read a great article in Army Times about a MSGT in Special Forces with 19 years in going for a 150 000 dollar bonus. He dropped out of the Air Force Academy. I don't remember which year, but anywho, academy is an academy, takes a lot to get appointed there.

A Soldier
07-08-2005, 12:23 AM
Well I'm about to begin my 3rd year of college
How do you expect to do well in the military if you decide to drop out of college on your THIRD year? Are you going to drop out of Ranger school on your last mile of ruck march, too?

FYI= I am not dropping out of college

A Soldier
07-08-2005, 12:27 AM
I have decided a change was needed and I have went with my heart on this one........... I'm am enrolling in the US Marine Corp Platoon Leaders Course (PLC) it has what I have been looking for and school will be paid for and such. My GPA will be worked on by me and I have rededicated myself to that, as for football this is the last season for it then all my energy will be turned over to the Marine Corp. I appreciate everyones input on this matter and if you have anymore feel free to comment.

Advice? Yes. As a future officer, you start to learn what one acts like. You will see many bad officers...even in the Marine Corps...but you will see the majority are good, dedicated, and smart. And you will see some incredibly intelligent, hard-core people.

Another piece of advice? Change your "location" avatar. It does not behoove a future Officer to announce to the world that he has no love for Europe...it's just tacky, and a bit immature.

I've PMed several French members of this board and others about their experiences and reference material. Feel free to dislike their government; but realize that just like our soldiers don't have control over their government, neither do they. There is a lot you can learn from them about the counter-insurgencies the French have fought in. Counter-insurgencies remarkably similiar to the ones in Iraq and the 'stan, where you may very well be leading troops in a few short years.

Good luck with OCS.

How about your avatar I find that tacky and bone headed. But im not going to get into a flame over it, I have nothing against all of the French people, just those who feel it is their civic duty to bring down or wound my country. I am someone who understands the world and also can understand the world is bigger than my block.