British scientists have failed...

[NcDeuce]

No news is bad news from Mars

LONDON, England -- British scientists have failed in their latest attempt to make contact with the Beagle 2 probe which was to have landed on Mars on Christmas Day.

The lack of a signal is a blow for the European Space Agency which is making its attempt to land a craft on the Red Planet.

More than 19 hours after the tiny craft was to have rolled to a stop on the surface of Mars, the radio telescope at Jodrell Bank Observatory in Cheshire, England, took advantage of the planet's position to begin scanning its surface for the Beagle's signal, The Associated Press reports.

Between the hours of 2200 GMT and 2400 GMT Thursday, at the end of the Martian night, they listened for the Beagle's simple carrier signal, rather than the nine-note tune that would have announced its survival earlier in the day.

Soon after, Britain's physics and astronomy research agency released a statement saying, "Jodrell Bank listened out for Beagle 2 tonight, but did not detect a transmission. The next opportunity will be via Mars Odyssey at 1815 GMT today (Friday)."

An attempt earlier in the day, by the U.S. Mars Odyssey already in orbit, was not able to detect the probe's signal on its first pass over the landing site, AP reports.

Scientists were earlier hopeful the British-built Beagle 2 had landed on Mars, despite being unable to receive a signal to confirm the probe's touchdown.

Landing was supposed to have happened at 02:54 GMT Thursday. Its mission is to see whether there is life on Mars.

Professor Colin Pillinger told a press conference Thursday morning the lack of signal did not necessarily mean failure and offered possible scenarios including:

• The spacecraft landed in the wrong place;

• The craft's transmitting antenna landed disoriented and cannot fully open;

• There is a communications mis-match between NASA's orbiting Mars Global Surveyor and Beagle 2;

• A failure during entry descent damaged the spacecraft.

The European Space Agency mission includes Beagle 2 and the Mars Express mother ship, which will remain in orbit to look for signs of water below and on the Martian surface using ground-penetrating radar, infrared and other instruments.

The mini-lander hitched a six-month ride to the red planet with the Mars Express, which last Friday dispatched Beagle 2 on its way to Isidis Planitia, Martian lowlands in a basin that may have contained water several billion years ago, when the planet was thought to have been warmer and wetter.

For 180 days, mission planners hope, Beagle 2 will look for evidence of past or perhaps current microbial life. It will drill nearby rocks, dig into the soil and sniff the air, looking for organic matter and other life-related chemical compounds like atmospheric methane.

To search for samples, the stationary droid will use camera eyes to guide a robot arm to a suitable rock. It will then drill and retrieve a core sample from the interior of the rock and place it under intense heat in the presence of oxygen.

The chemical cooking should allow Beagle 2 to look for telltale signs of organic compounds. Different carbon-bearing materials burn at different temperatures, according to Beagle 2 scientists.

"There is no hope of finding carbonaceous compounds (associated with primitive, microscopic life) on the surface because it's all been burnt by the sun," Beagle 2 scientist Andre Brack said earlier in a statement. "There's no protective magnetosphere or ozone later in the Martian atmosphere."


http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2003/TECH/space/12/25/mars.beagle.nosignal/top.control.ap.jpg

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"British scientists have failed..."

My apologies to our British friends on this board. Please... do not allow this idiot to upset you. His moronic post title does not, and cannot, reflect upon the rest of us American citizens,

Long live the Beagle.

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[Herrmannek]

This wasn't anti British article, and title of that topic was catchy :) , but yes this is some sort of tragic news, I would like to see some new photos and data about red planet esspecialy there was Polish scientific equpiment monted in :( ...

[Argyll]

It does appear to have a gloating ring to it,by the title of the thread!
However I hope that TF did not mean it as a sort of dig at the efforts,otherwise it looks like he's stirring the ****!
I would have started the thread title a bit more diplomatic tho like "Still no contact with Beagle 24 hours later!!"

[Herrmannek]

I would have started the thread title a bit more diplomatic tho like "Still no contact with Beagle 24 hours later!!"

But you must admit that TF's title is more bling-bling :)

[Argyll]

yes it has that too

Perhaps the beagle also just smashed to bits cause the protective ball didn't work...........to be honest I don't really care a toss,as it's all just a pure waste of money anyway!!

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"-This wasn't anti British article"

Nothing to do with the "article"... it is title of the the post which I objected to.

"British scientists have failed..."

Tell us TF160SOAR... why are you so happy that "British scientists have failed..."?

Why did you jump up and make a post with that title on this board?

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[Herrmannek]

"-This wasn't anti British article"

Nothing to do with the "article"... it is title of the the post which I objected to.


Put that wrong before, **** the title when article proves that title wasn't nothing more then stylistic figure.

[ShotOver]

Maybe the Aliens stole it :)

[MolliG]

It hasn't failed :roll:. They've still got like 20ish days left to find it before it's 'dead'... And even then they reckon it could 'live' longer... Or so ITN said...

:)

[Roger Rabbit]

pffft if they had tried to send a real Beagle to Mars it would have been far more interesting. Still i suppose it might benefit something in the future.

[NcDeuce]

Touchy Brits, eh?

Well, when the title was "No news is bad news from Mars" , this thread had a total of 7 views.

When I changed the title to "British scientists have failed", the views jumped to almost 200.

Pretty neat experiment, eh?

Anyways,
British scientists have failed comes from the first line of the article...take it out on CNN...don't kill the messenger.

:D

[Vance]

I guess you just can't do it like the Americans. :)

Nice try though. ;)

[Deuterium]

Spaceflight and planetary exploration will always provide challenges that make the successes that much sweeter. The only failure would be not to continue to try. America has had its share of failure. Confusing Metrics with English measurements was definitely a low point. Mars has proved to be a great test bed for technologies, out-of-the-box thinking, and perseverance. I applaud the British scientist for their effort and look forward to the data that is collecting from the other 50%, successful, part of the mission.

[mocking_loudly_died]

Let the yanks explore space and give the Pom military some decent kit instead.

Christ, space exploration at this stage is a ***** competition that the Brits can't afford.

Unless it was all privately funded....bah theres something on tv about talking mice.

[Deuterium]

Let the yanks explore space and give the Pom military some decent kit instead.

Christ, space exploration at this stage is a ***** competition that the Brits can't afford.

Unless it was all privately funded....bah theres something on tv about talking mice.

Yeah besides, the Brits have ......the Brits gave us..... Yeah the Brits have ....Doctor Who!!!!!.....Sorry couldn't resist. It IS a phenomenon on Saturday nights in America on PBS.

[He219]

http://asimov.esrin.esa.int/export/images/beagle35998,0.jpg

Success doesn't come without setbacks.

Visit the beagle2 website Here (http://www.beagle2.com/index.htm).

:D

[papasmerf]

"British scientists have failed..."

My apologies to our British friends on this board. Please... do not allow this idiot to upset you. His moronic post title does not, and cannot, reflect upon the rest of us American citizens,

Long live the Beagle.

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Why are you attacking TF? He's not posting lies, why not name the thread "British scientists have failed" if that is what exactly happened?

[Seiyuuki]

"Bristish scientists have failed..."

It's the first 4 words of the article, wrote by somebody else, what's the big freaking deal??? It's not like TF wrote the thing.

[martinexsquaddie]

even if it has failed an we won't know for sure until the end of Jan they gave it a hell of ago.
putting a marslander together for 35million quid is chicken feed in space terms

[Shake n Bake]

It was a good try but 60 million was a really cheap budget for this kind of thing..

[gaboki]

good lord everywwhere on these boards..
turn into flame wars..
lets just stop alright?
its a title
thats it..
you guys are embarresing your countries..

[Loco]

If "British scientists have failed..." or not is an appealing titular type, that´s all. I hope next projects will be succesful. BTW, the Beagle II it´s not a british project only but of others european countries, some penny lost in Mars is mine too.

[Fioraon]

OMG PC WHORES!!!!

[Shadow]

This wasn't anti British article, and title of that topic was catchy :) , but yes this is some sort of tragic news, I would like to see some new photos and data about red planet esspecialy there was Polish scientific equpiment monted in :( ...

Polish Equipment?
Polen isn't even member of ESA.
Members are:
Germany
Austria
Sweden
Portugal
Belgium
Danmark
Spain
Finland
France
Ireland
Italy
Norway
Netherlands
UK
Sweden
Switzerland


Orbiter Instruments:
High Resolution Stereo Camera (HRSC)
Germany

OMEGA Visible and Infrared Mineralogical Mapping Spectrometer
France

SPICAM Ultraviolet and Infrared Atmospheric Spectrometer
France

Planetary Fourier Spectrometer (PFS)
Italy

ASPERA Energetic Neutral Atoms Analyser
Sweden

Mars Radio Science Experiment (MaRS)
Germany

MARSIS Sub-Surface Sounding Radar Altimeter
Italy

And on this site i couldn't find something polish.
http://www.beagle2.com/science/index.htm

Is Polen in a Space Agency? Maybe with Russia.
Perhaps Polen made some screws for beagle 2. ;)

[Herrmannek]

This wasn't anti British article, and title of that topic was catchy :) , but yes this is some sort of tragic news, I would like to see some new photos and data about red planet esspecialy there was Polish scientific equpiment monted in :( ...

Polish Equipment?
Polen isn't even member of ESA.
Members are:
Germany
Austria
Sweden
Portugal
Belgium
Danmark
Spain
Finland
France
Ireland
Italy
Norway
Netherlands
UK
Sweden
Switzerland


Orbiter Instruments:
High Resolution Stereo Camera (HRSC)
Germany

OMEGA Visible and Infrared Mineralogical Mapping Spectrometer
France

SPICAM Ultraviolet and Infrared Atmospheric Spectrometer
France

Planetary Fourier Spectrometer (PFS)
Italy

ASPERA Energetic Neutral Atoms Analyser
Sweden

Mars Radio Science Experiment (MaRS)
Germany

MARSIS Sub-Surface Sounding Radar Altimeter
Italy

And on this site i couldn't find something polish.
http://www.beagle2.com/science/index.htm

Is Polen in a Space Agency? Maybe with Russia.
Perhaps Polen made some screws for beagle 2. ;)

O.K. FPS(?Fourier Planetar Spectometer?) wasn't in beagle lander but in sond Mars Express with is orbiting now safely :)...
http://serwisy.gazeta.pl/nauka/0,0.html

Polacy na Marsie

Na pokładzie europejskiej sondy Mars Express znajduje się niepozorne pudełko, które w dużej części jest "made in Poland". Nazywa się planetarnym spektrometrem fourierowskim (PFS) - rejestruje promieniowanie podczerwone, które ma zdradzić skład chemiczny atmosfery i minerałów na powierzchni.

- Naszym dziełem są dwa kluczowe podzespoły: zasilacz oraz skaner sterujący kątem obserwacji - mówi prof. Andrzej Jurewicz z Centrum Badań Kosmicznych PAN. Opracowali je Piotr Orleański, Mirosław Rataj, Małgorzata Michalska i Witold Nowosielski. Pierwszy model zbudowali przed ośmiu laty dla rosyjskiej sondy Mars '96. Niestety, nie pokonała ona ziemskiej grawitacji i spektrometr utonął w oceanie. Zapasowe części przydały się do konstrukcji odchudzonego urządzenia, które znalazło się na wyposażeniu sondy Mars Express. Dzięki zdjęciom podczerwieni, które polscy uczeni zanalizują, będzie można rozwiązać jedną z marsjańskich zagadek - czy była tam niegdyś woda.

- Przyrządy naukowe sondy mają być planowo włączane od połowy stycznia - opowiada nam prof. Jurewicz. - My zaczniemy najwcześniej. Dogadaliśmy się z centrum kontroli lotu i nasz spektrometr PFS włączymy jeszcze na obecnej orbicie okołorównikowej, żeby objąć jego polem widzenia całą tarczę Marsa. Jeśli wszystko pójdzie dobrze, 2 stycznia wykonamy pierwszy spektrofotogram - dodaje uczony.

[aFgHaNibOi]

Nice to see another language! ;)

[Shadow]

The PFS is from Italy

http://www.esa.int/export/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEMUC75V9ED_0.html#subhead4

Planetary Fourier Spectrometer (PFS)
http://www.esa.int/export/images/pfs-120,0.JPG

The PFS will determine the composition of the Martian atmosphere from the wavelengths of sunlight (in the range 1.2-45 millimetres) absorbed by molecules in the atmosphere and from the infrared radiation they emit.

In particular, it will measure the vertical pressure and temperature profile of carbon dioxide which makes up 95% of the martian atmosphere, and look for minor constituents including water, carbon monoxide, methane and formaldehyde.

"We hope to get many, many measurements so that by taking the average of thousands we'll be able to see minor species," says Vittorio Formisano, PFS PI from Istituto Fisica Spazio Interplanetario, Rome, Italy.

Yeah yeah the polish propaganda!;)

[Herrmannek]

The PFS is from Italy

http://www.esa.int/export/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEMUC75V9ED_0.html#subhead4

Planetary Fourier Spectrometer (PFS)
http://www.esa.int/export/images/pfs-120,0.JPG

The PFS will determine the composition of the Martian atmosphere from the wavelengths of sunlight (in the range 1.2-45 millimetres) absorbed by molecules in the atmosphere and from the infrared radiation they emit.

In particular, it will measure the vertical pressure and temperature profile of carbon dioxide which makes up 95% of the martian atmosphere, and look for minor constituents including water, carbon monoxide, methane and formaldehyde.

"We hope to get many, many measurements so that by taking the average of thousands we'll be able to see minor species," says Vittorio Formisano, PFS PI from Istituto Fisica Spazio Interplanetario, Rome, Italy.

Yeah yeah the polish propaganda!;)

So who is lying? :D

[papasmerf]

This wasn't anti British article, and title of that topic was catchy :) , but yes this is some sort of tragic news, I would like to see some new photos and data about red planet esspecialy there was Polish scientific equpiment monted in :( ...

Polish Equipment?
Polen isn't even member of ESA.
Members are:
Germany
Austria
Sweden
Portugal
Belgium
Danmark
Spain
Finland
France
Ireland
Italy
Norway
Netherlands
UK
Sweden
Switzerland


Orbiter Instruments:
High Resolution Stereo Camera (HRSC)
Germany

OMEGA Visible and Infrared Mineralogical Mapping Spectrometer
France

SPICAM Ultraviolet and Infrared Atmospheric Spectrometer
France

Planetary Fourier Spectrometer (PFS)
Italy

ASPERA Energetic Neutral Atoms Analyser
Sweden

Mars Radio Science Experiment (MaRS)
Germany

MARSIS Sub-Surface Sounding Radar Altimeter
Italy

And on this site i couldn't find something polish.
http://www.beagle2.com/science/index.htm

Is Polen in a Space Agency? Maybe with Russia.
Perhaps Polen made some screws for beagle 2. ;)

Not true, I was on Mars in 1995 on a Polish space rocket.. you're just jealous.

[Shadow]

The PFS is from Italy

http://www.esa.int/export/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEMUC75V9ED_0.html#subhead4

Planetary Fourier Spectrometer (PFS)
http://www.esa.int/export/images/pfs-120,0.JPG

The PFS will determine the composition of the Martian atmosphere from the wavelengths of sunlight (in the range 1.2-45 millimetres) absorbed by molecules in the atmosphere and from the infrared radiation they emit.

In particular, it will measure the vertical pressure and temperature profile of carbon dioxide which makes up 95% of the martian atmosphere, and look for minor constituents including water, carbon monoxide, methane and formaldehyde.

"We hope to get many, many measurements so that by taking the average of thousands we'll be able to see minor species," says Vittorio Formisano, PFS PI from Istituto Fisica Spazio Interplanetario, Rome, Italy.

Yeah yeah the polish propaganda!;)

So who is lying? :D

http://serwisy.gazeta.pl/nauka/0,0.html is lying.
There is nothing polish in the Mars Express Orbiter and nothing polish beagle 2.

[Herrmannek]

http://serwisy.gazeta.pl/nauka/0,0.html is lying.
There is nothing polish in the Mars Express Orbiter and nothing polish beagle 2.

You didn't convinced me ;)

[Shadow]

http://serwisy.gazeta.pl/nauka/0,0.html is lying.
There is nothing polish in the Mars Express Orbiter and nothing polish beagle 2.

You didn't convinced me ;)

Check out www.esa.int and mars.esa.int

[Herrmannek]

O.K.
http://www.esa.int/export/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEMKR55V9ED_0.html





Europe reclaims a stake in Mars exploration

Mars Express


"Mars Express is the first fully European mission to any planet.
It is an exciting challenge for European technology."

Rudi Schmidt, Mars Express Project Manager, ESTEC.

From the Greeks more than two thousand years ago to Eugene Antoniadi in the mid 1900s, Europeans have made many important observations of Mars with the naked eye and through Earth-bound telescopes. They have even contributed their fair share of speculation and fantasy about the planet in a fine tradition beginning in 1897 with the publication of The War of the Worlds by H.G. Wells in which hostile Martians invade Earth.

Europe, however, has never sent its own spacecraft to Mars – that is until now. The European Space Agency's Mars Express orbiter and its lander, Beagle 2, is now on its way to the Red Planet, launched on 2 June 2003. The two vehicles will play key roles in an international exploration programme spanning the next two decades.

Research institutes throughout Europe provided the instruments on board the orbiter. Some were first developed for the ill-fated Russian spacecraft, Mars '96. Now upgraded, they will provide remote sensing of the atmosphere, ground and up to 5 km below the surface, to a degree of accuracy never before achieved.


Astronomer Date Country Discovery
Nicolaus Copernicus 1473-1543 Poland Described the motion of the planets, including Mars, around the Sun
Tycho Brahe 1546-1601 Denmark First to map accurately the movement of Mars across the sky
Johannes Kepler 1561-1630 Germany Worked out the orbit of Mars
Galileo Galilei 1564-1642 Italy First to observe Mars through a telescope
Christiaan Huygens 1629-1695 The Netherlands First to observe a feature on Mars, the Syrtis Major
Giovanni Cassini 1625-1712 France First to observe the poles of Mars
William Herschel 1738-1822 United Kingdom First to measure the diameter of Mars
Giovanni Schiaparelli 1835-1910 Italy Described 'canali' (channels) misinterpreted as canals on Mars
Eugene Antoniadi 1870-1944 France Produced the most accurate map of Mars before the space age

The information gleaned will help answer many outstanding questions about Mars. One concerns the fate of water that once flowed freely on the planet’s surface early in its history; another is whether life ever evolved on the Red Planet.

Beagle 2 will be the first lander since NASA's two Viking probes in the 1970s to look specifically for evidence of past or present life. No other Mars probe planned so far is making exobiology so central to its mission.


So who started whole that european **** ;)

[Shadow]

O.K.
http://www.esa.int/export/SPECIALS/Mars_Express/SEMKR55V9ED_0.html





Europe reclaims a stake in Mars exploration

Mars Express


"Mars Express is the first fully European mission to any planet.
It is an exciting challenge for European technology."

Rudi Schmidt, Mars Express Project Manager, ESTEC.

From the Greeks more than two thousand years ago to Eugene Antoniadi in the mid 1900s, Europeans have made many important observations of Mars with the naked eye and through Earth-bound telescopes. They have even contributed their fair share of speculation and fantasy about the planet in a fine tradition beginning in 1897 with the publication of The War of the Worlds by H.G. Wells in which hostile Martians invade Earth.

Europe, however, has never sent its own spacecraft to Mars ? that is until now. The European Space Agency's Mars Express orbiter and its lander, Beagle 2, is now on its way to the Red Planet, launched on 2 June 2003. The two vehicles will play key roles in an international exploration programme spanning the next two decades.

Research institutes throughout Europe provided the instruments on board the orbiter. Some were first developed for the ill-fated Russian spacecraft, Mars '96. Now upgraded, they will provide remote sensing of the atmosphere, ground and up to 5 km below the surface, to a degree of accuracy never before achieved.


Astronomer Date Country Discovery
Nicolaus Copernicus 1473-1543 Poland Described the motion of the planets, including Mars, around the Sun
Tycho Brahe 1546-1601 Denmark First to map accurately the movement of Mars across the sky
Johannes Kepler 1561-1630 Germany Worked out the orbit of Mars
Galileo Galilei 1564-1642 Italy First to observe Mars through a telescope
Christiaan Huygens 1629-1695 The Netherlands First to observe a feature on Mars, the Syrtis Major
Giovanni Cassini 1625-1712 France First to observe the poles of Mars
William Herschel 1738-1822 United Kingdom First to measure the diameter of Mars
Giovanni Schiaparelli 1835-1910 Italy Described 'canali' (channels) misinterpreted as canals on Mars
Eugene Antoniadi 1870-1944 France Produced the most accurate map of Mars before the space age

The information gleaned will help answer many outstanding questions about Mars. One concerns the fate of water that once flowed freely on the planet?s surface early in its history; another is whether life ever evolved on the Red Planet.

Beagle 2 will be the first lander since NASA's two Viking probes in the 1970s to look specifically for evidence of past or present life. No other Mars probe planned so far is making exobiology so central to its mission.


So who started whole that european **** ;)

You know this little thing?
http://www.astrolink.de/pics/p012/p01211/tk/p0121104001_03.jpg
Guess where it was found! It is 3600 Years old!
Pah now you are flatten!

*cough*Loser!*cough*;)


Not true, I was on Mars in 1995 on a Polish space rocket.. you're just jealous.

Guess who invented the space rockets!
*cough*Loser!*cough*;)

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I'm still waiting... you bastards.

So shut it. :-)

Long live the Beagle.

Come on my son!

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