Today's Pic's - Dec. 26th 'Boxing Day'

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Italian soldiers hold candles while attending the midnight Christmas mass at White Horse base in Nasiriyah, southern Iraq, Thursday Dec. 25, 2003. (AP Photo/Laurent Rebours)

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U.S. soldiers participate in a Christmas day parade at Bagram Air Base in Afghanistan, Thursday, Dec. 25, 2003. American soldiers got a Christmas break, parading in decorated humvees, singing carols and sitting down to a festive feast. (AP Photo/Aijaz Rahi)


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U.S. army Major Angela Tackett, left, of 45th Infantry Brigade from Oklahoma, serve Christmas dinner to Afghan National Army soldiers at camp Phoenix on the outskirts of Kabul, Afghanistan, Thursday, Dec. 25, 2003. (AP Photo/Aijaz Rahi)

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A U.S. Air Force serviceman dressed like Santa Claus mans a machine gun, during a Christmas parade at Bagram Air Force Base, 60 km (40 miles) north of Kabul, December 25, 2003. *******/Kimimasa Mayama

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An Iraqi woman gestures while standing in front of a U.S. Army tank outside the Baghdad City Council Thursday, Dec. 25, 2003. Guerrillas hit central Baghdad with more than a dozen grenades, rockets and mortar shells on Christmas Day including one that hit the City Council. ( AP Photo/ Samir Mizban )

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A private security guard points his gun from the roof of a Sheraton hotel terrace in Baghdad Thursday Dec. 25, 2003, after the hotel came under rocket propelled grenade attack. There were no injuries in the attack. (AP Photo/Dusan Vranic)

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A man points at impact of an rocket propelled granade on the outer wall of Sheraton hotel in Baghdad Thursday Dec. 25, 2003. There were no injuries in the attack. (AP Photo/Dusan Vranic)

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An Iraqi man shows a piece of shrapnel he found outside the apartment building behind him after it was hit by a rocket in Baghdad Thursday Dec. 25, 2003, injuring one woman. The apparent target of the attack was the Sheraton hotel, behind, which took at least one rocket. (AP Photo/Dusan Vranic)

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An Iraqi policeman guards the Iranian embassy after it was hit in one of about a dozen rocket attacks, launched by guerillas in the capital of Baghdad, December 25, 2003. About a dozen rockets and mortar rounds slammed into central Baghdad on Thursday in fresh guerrilla attacks, as the U.S. military said an American soldier was killed by a roadside bomb. The missiles blew a hole in the front wall of the Turkish mission and shattered windows but caused little damage in the other blasts, witnesses said. *******/Ali Jasim

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The Turkish embassy's flag flies next to holes punched into a wall in one of about a dozen rocket attacks, launched by guerillas in the Iraqi capital of Baghdad, December 25, 2003. The rockets and mortar rounds slammed into central Baghdad on Thursday in fresh guerrilla attacks, as the U.S. military said an American soldier was killed by a roadside bomb. The missiles blew a hole in the front wall of the Turkish mission and shattered windows but caused little damage in the other blasts, witnesses said. *******/Akram Saleh

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An Iraqi youth looks at an apartment near the German embassy in Baghdad, which was destroyed in a rocket attack, December 25, 2003. About a dozen rockets and mortar rounds slammed into central Baghdad on Thursday in fresh guerrilla attacks, as the U.S. military said an American soldier was killed by a roadside bomb. Two hotels used by Westerners and an apartment block were struck, as well as the area where the headquarters of the U.S.-led administration is situated. *******/Ali Jasim

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Iraqi Policeman stands guard next to an unexploded rocket outside Baghdad City Council Thursday Dec. 25, 2003. The council building was hit by another rocket early Thursday morning but no-one was injured. (AP Photo/ Samir Mizban )

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U.S. Army troops secure the scene of a failed suicide car bomb attack on an American convoy, in Baghdad, December 26, 2003. One man, who Iraqi police suspected of being the attacker, was killed when the car exploded as a convoy drove past. Elsewhere, though, two U.S. soldiers were killed by bombs in two separate incidents in Iraq on Friday, a U.S. military spokesman said. Two other U.S. soldiers were killed in a mortar attack on a U.S. camp near Baquba on Thursday, extending the biggest spate of guerrilla activity in and around the Iraqi capital since U.S. forces captured Saddam Hussein earlier this month. *******/Ali Jasim

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U.S. troops block the road after an explosive went off under an underpass in Mosul, some 400 kilometers (249 miles) north of Baghdad Friday Dec. 26, 2003. (AP Photo/Karam Hosain)

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Iraqi police officers cover bodies of two suicide bombers who were killed on the highway to Baghdad International airport Friday Dec. 26, 2003. U.S. soldiers on the scene said they suspected the bombers explosives went off prematurely. (AP Photo/Muhammed Muheisen)

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A hooded Iraqi prisoner rides on a Humvee guarded by a U.S. soldier at a military base in Tikrit, December 26, 2003. Guerrillas killed two U.S. soldiers in a mortar attack north of Baghdad, the U.S. military said Friday, as rockets shook the Iraqi capital in the biggest insurgent attacks since the capture of Saddam Hussein. Insurgents also wounded two Polish soldiers in an ambush in southern Iraq, the latest in a string of attacks on the forces of countries which have answered Washington's call for troops to help it secure the country it invaded to topple Saddam. *******/Zohra Bensemra

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Iraqi Shiite muslims beat a bronze head of the ousted leader Saddam Hussein during a protest after Friday's prayer in Baghdad's Sadr City, Friday Dec. 26, 2003. Thousands demanded Saddam to be executed by the people. (AP Photo/Muhammed Muheisen)

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A U.S. soldier hepls Iraqis install running water in Samarra's al-Khadrah district Friday, Dec. 26, 2003. (AP Photo/Hadi Mizban)

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Soldiers place explosives on the door of a storage unit in an industrial park in Samarra, Iraq. The Soldiers are assigned to the 4th Infantry Division's Company C, 1st Battalion, 8th Infantry Regiment. They suspect that weapons used by Iraqi terrorists are stored in the industrial park. U.S. Army photo by Staff Sgt. John Marlow.

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U.S. soldiers of 1st Battalion, 22nd Regiment, (1-22) of the 4th Infantry Division, play cards onboard their Humvee in Tikrit, Iraq, Friday, Dec. 26, 2003. (AP Photo/Gregorio Borgia)

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U.S. Army Gen. Raymond Odierno, left, commander of the 4th Infantry Division, salutes Karen Cucker of Washington DC from the 1st Battalion, 22nd Regiment, after he awarded her with a medal for courage and valor during a ceremony in Tikrit's military base, Iraq, Friday Dec. 26, 2003. (AP Photo/Gregorio Borgia)

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U.S Colonel Steven Russel of the 1st Battalion, 22nd Regiment, (1-22) of the 4th Infantry Division talks to a local Sheik during their meeting in Tikrit's town hall, Iraq, Monday, Dec. 22, 2003. With Saddam Hussein in captivity, some tribal elders from his old power base are showing greater willingness to work with Iraq's American occupiers, realizing they must carve out a new political role for the Sunni Muslim minority that long ruled the country. (AP Photo/Gregorio Borgia)

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Soldiers remove cargo from a Marine Corps helicopter at Salerno Forward Operation Base in Afghanistan during Operation Geronimo Avalance. The paratroopers are assigned to the 1st Battalion, 501st Infantry Regiment. The operation aims to defeat anti-Coalition fighters and destroy their hiding places. U.S. Army photo by Spc. Gul A. Alisan

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The 2,000-year-old medieval fortress of Bam, Iran, is seen in this photo taken in September 2003. An earthquake devastated the southeastern Iranian city of Bam on Friday Dec. 26, 2003 leveling more than half the city's houses and its historic mud-brick fortress. (AP Photo/Franco Fracassi)

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The 2,000-year-old medieval fortress of Bam, Iran, which reportedly was destroyed after an earthquake of magnitude 6.3 had its epicentre near Bam early Friday Dec. 26, 2003, is seen in this photo taken in September 2003. Initial reports say as many as 4,000 have been killed and 30,000 injured; 60 per cent of the homes in Bam - a city of 80,000 some 1000km (640 miles) southeast of Tehran -, is believed to have been leveled. (AP Photo/Franco Fracassi)

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Soldiers search for bodies in Bam city after an earthquake 1000 kms(640 miles) southeast of Tehran on Friday Dec. 26, 2003. The quake may have killed as many as 10, 000 people when it devastated southeast Iran early Friday, an Iranian legislator told The Associated Press after speaking to officials on the scene.(AP Photo/Hasan Sarbakhshian)

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Pakistan army soldiers patrol in vicinity of bomb blasts in Rawalpindi, Pakistan on Thursday, Dec. 25, 2003. Two massive suicide bombs exploded Thursday moments after President Gen. Pervez Musharraf's motorcade passed, the second assassination attempt against him in 11 days, officials said. The president's car was damaged but he was unhurt. At least 14 people were killed, including two attackers, and 46 were wounded. (AP Photo/str)

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Police remove a car (upper left) damaged in the assassination attempt against the Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf in Rawalpindi, Pakistan on Thursday, Dec. 25, 2003. Two suicide bombs exploded as President Musharraf's motorcade passed, the second assassination attempt against him in two weeks. The president's car was damaged, but he was unhurt. At least 14 people were killed, including the two attackers. (AP Photo)

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Police in anti-chemical suits depart for Kaixian County, some 337 kms northeast of Chongqing in southwest China, December 26, 2003. A gas well blow-out in southwest China turned a 25 square km (10 sq miles) area into a death zone, killing nearly 200 people as they slept or scrambled to escape a cloud of toxic fumes, officials and state media said on Friday. Bodies of farmers and livestock were scattered over a wide area after the well burst on Tuesday. "The poisonous gas hovering in the air made an area of 25 sq km a death zone as many villagers were intoxicated by the fumes in their sleep," the China Daily newspaper said. NO ARCHIVES NO SALES *******/Xinhua/Zhao Jianwei

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Search team members find the body of a dead man after a natural gas well erupted in the Gaoqiao township, Kaixian County, in southwest China's Chongqing municipality, on December 26, 2003. A gas well blow-out in southwest China turned a 25 square km (10 sq miles) area into a death zone, killing nearly 200 people as they slept or scrambled to escape a cloud of toxic fumes, officials and state media said on Friday. Bodies of farmers and livestock were scattered over a wide area after the well, being drilled in mountains 340 km (200 miles) northeast of Chongqing city, burst on Tuesday. "The poisonous gas hovering in the air made an area of 25 sq km a death zone as many villagers were intoxicated by the fumes in their sleep," the China Daily newspaper said. *******/China Photo

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Palestinian children wave at an Israeli tank advancing down a street in the West Bank town of Nablus, Thursday Dec. 25, 2003. The Israeli military has been carrying out a series of raids around Nablus in recent days, calling the city a center of militant activity. (AP Photo/Nasser Ishtayeh)

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Israeli soldiers aim at Israeli, Palestinian and foreign peace activists during a demonstration against the security fence Israel is building along the West Bank and its limits with Israel Friday Dec. 26, 2003 near the West Bank town of Qalqiliya. Shortly after, Israeli troops fired rubber bullets and live rounds as peace activists tried to break through the barrier. Rescue workers said a foreign tourist was wounded along with an Israeli protestor. (AP Photo/Oded Balilty)

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Israeli soldiers shoot live rounds at Israeli, Palestinian and foreign peace activists during a demonstration against the security fence Israel is building along the West Bank and its limits with Israel Friday Dec. 26, 2003 near the West Bank town of Qalqiliya. Shortly after, Israeli troops fired rubber bullets and live rounds as peace activists tried to break through the barrier. Rescue workers said a foreign tourist was wounded along with an Israeli protestor. (AP Photo/Oded Balilty)

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Palestinians gather around the wreckage of car belonging to Islamic Jihad militants after Israeli Apache helicopters fired missiles at it in Gaza City, Thursday, Dec. 25, 2003. An Israeli helicopter fired two missiles at a car carrying a senior Islamic militant Thursday, killing five people, witnesses and hospital officials said. The strike was the first Israeli helicopter attack of its kind in more than two months. (AP Photo/Adel Hana)

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Palestinians approach the wreckage of the car of two dead Islamic Jihad militants still sitting inside, after Israeli Apache helicopters fired missiles at it in Gaza City, Thursday, Dec. 25, 2003. An Israeli helicopter fired two missiles at a car carrying three Islamic militants Thursday, killing the three and two bystanders, witnesses and hospital officials said. The strike was the first Israeli helicopter attack of its kind in more than two months. (AP Photo/STR)

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Contruction continues on a new section of the separation fence between the outskirts of Jerusalem and the village Abu Dis in the West Bank Thursday Dec. 25, 2003. (AP Photo/Baz Ratner)

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A Palestinian woman walks in front of a concrete wall, part of the controversial security barrier Israel contends is necessary to stop suicide bombers and which the Palestinians condemn as a land grab, on the outskirts of Jerusalem, December 26, 2003. The latest Palestinian suicide bombing and a ceaseless spate of attack alerts may leave Israel no option but to take unilateral steps stripping Palestinians of land they seek for a state, Israeli political sources said on Friday. (ISRAEL OUT) *******/Guilad Kahn/Flash90

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Israeli rescue workers search the scene beside covered bodies and body parts after an explosion in Petah Tikva, December 25, 2003. A Palestinian suicide bomber blew himself up at a bus stop outside Tel Aviv on Thursday, killing at least three people and wounding 16, Israeli police said. *******/Nir Elias

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An ultra-orthodox ZAKA Rescue and Recovery volunteer collects human remains for a proper Jewish burial, from the site where a suicide bomber blew himself up at a bus stop in the town Bnei Brak next to Tel Aviv Thursday Dec. 25, 2003. The blast killed three bystanders and injured at least 13 people. The PFLP (Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine) claimed responsibility for the attack. (AP Photo/Ariel Schalit)

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A wounded military person is taken into the hospital of the Israeli town of Petah Tikva on the outskirts of Tel Aviv Thursday Dec. 25, 2003. A suicide bomber blew himself up at a bus stop in the nearby town of Bnei Brak killing three bystanders and injuring at least 13 people. The PFLP (Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine) claimed responsibility for the attack. (AP Photo/Robi Kastro)

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A wounded person is taken into the hospital in the Israeli town of Petah Tikva on the outskirts of Tel Aviv Thursday Dec. 25, 2003. A suicide bomber blew himself up at a bus stop in the nearby town of Bnei Brak killing three bystanders and injuring at least 13 people. The PFLP (Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine) claimed responsibility for the attack. (AP Photo/Robi Kastro)

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The bodies of victims lie on the ground covered with blankets as police investigate at the site where a suicide bomber blew himself up at a bus stop in the town of Bnei Brak next to Tel Aviv Thursday Dec. 25, 2003. The blast killed three bystanders and injured at least 13 people. The PFLP (Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine) claimed responsibility for the attack.(AP Photo/Ariel Schalit)

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Palestinian children look in the direction where the body of Islamic Jihad militant Mohammed Desoki, killed when trying to infiltrate the Jewish settlement of Ganei Tal in the Gush Katif bloc of settlements near Khan Younis in the southern Gaza Strip, lies on the ground, not seen, Thursday Dec. 25, 2003. Desoki, 22, was spotted crawling near the Gush Katif bloc of Jewish settlements, likely planning to lay a mine, when soldiers shot him, the military said. They later discovered an explosive charge on his body, the military said. (AP Photo/Khalil Hamra)

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The body of Islamic Jihad militant Mohammed Desoki, killed when trying to infiltrate the Jewish settlement of Ganei Tal in the Gush Katif bloc of settlements near Khan Younis in the southern Gaza Strip, lies on the ground Thursday Dec. 25, 2003. Desoki, 22, was spotted crawling near the Gush Katif bloc of Jewish settlements, likely planning to lay a mine, when soldiers shot him, the military said. They later discovered an explosive charge on his body, the military said. (AP Photo/Khalil Hamra).

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An Israeli army bulldozer checks for possible explosives near the body of Islamic Jihad militant Mohammed Desoki, left, Thursday Dec. 25, 2003 near Khan Younis in the southern Gaza Strip. Desoki, 22, was spotted crawling near the Gush Katif bloc of Jewish settlements when soldiers shot him, the military said. They later discovered an explosive charge on his body, the military said. (AP Photo/Khalil Hamra)

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Palestinian families are detained by Israeli soldiers at a the Al Nasr Mosque during an army operation in the West Bank city of Nablus Friday Dec. 26, 2003. Israeli troops tightened the blockade around West Bank towns after a suicide bombing killed four Israelis Thursday. (AP Photo/Nasser Ishtayeh)

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An Israeli tank is seen on an empty street as curfew is imposed on the West Bank city of Nablus during an army operation Friday Dec. 26, 2003. Israeli troops tightened the blockade around West Bank towns after a suicide bombing killed four Israelis Thursday. (AP Photo/Nasser Ishtayeh)

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A masked militant of the Al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigade, a militia linked to Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement, attends the funeral of the top commander of Islamic Jihad in the Gaza Strip Mekled Hameid, 39, in the Jabaliya refugee camp in the northern Gaza Strip, Friday Dec. 26, 2003. Hameid, two other Islamic Jihad militants and two bystanders were killed during an Israeli airstrike in Gaza city Thursday.(AP Photo/Adel Hana)

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Palestinians carry the body of Ashraf Redwan, 22, killed during an Israeli helicopter attack, during his funeral in Gaza, December 26, 2003. Israel has used helicopters to track and kill dozens of militants waging a three-year-old Palestinian uprising, but it was the first such attack on Gaza for more than two months. *******/Suhaib Salem

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Mohammed Redwan cries during the funeral procession of his 21-year-old brother Ashraf in Gaza city Friday Dec. 26, 2003. Ashraf and another bystander were killed Thursday when Israeli helicopters fired missiles to a car carrying three Islamic Jihad militants that were also killed.(AP Photo/Hatem Moussa)

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The mother, right, and the aunt, center, no names available, of 20-year-old Adva Fishe cry over her flag-covered coffin during her funeral in the central Israeli town Kfar Saba Friday Dec. 26, 2003. She was one of four Israelis killed Thursday when a Islamic Jihad suicide bomber blew himself up in a bus station. The suicide bombing came minutes after an Israeli airstrike in Gaza killed three Islamic Jihad militants and two civilians. (AP Photo/ Eli Dassa)

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Friends of Anjelina Shcherov, a 19-year-old Israeli who was doing her military service, cry during her funeral in the central Israeli town Kfar Saba on Friday Dec. 26, 2003. She was one of four Israelis killed Thursday when a Islamic Jihad suicide bomber blew himself up in a bus station. A few minutes earlier, Israeli helicopters fired two missiles at a car driving between Gaza City and the nearby Jebaliya refugee camp, killing the top Islamic Jihad commander in Gaza, Mekled Hameid, and four others _ two Islamic Jihad militants and two bystanders, militants said. (AP Photo/Jonathan Shaul)

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A cousin of 21-year-old Israeli army Staff Sergeant Noam Leibovitch cries during his funeral in the central Israel settlement of Elkana Friday Dec. 26, 2003. Leibovich was one of four Israelis killed Thursday when a Islamic Jihad suicide bomber blew himself up in a bus station. The suicide bombing came minutes after an Israeli airstrike in Gaza killed three Islamic Jihad militants and two civilians.(AP Photo/Oded Balilty)

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Two men observe the cockpit wreckage from a plane crash on the beach near Cotonou in Benin Thursday, Dec. 25, 2003. A jetliner carrying Lebanese workers home for the holidays crashed into the sea shortly after takeoff in the West African nation of Benin, killing up to 90 people, witnesses said. Dozens of people reportedly survived the fiery crash. (AP Photo/Erick-Christian Ahounou)

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Rescue teams look for bodies and the black box flight recorder at Cotonou, Benin, Friday Dec. 26, 2003. A plane bound for Lebanon crashed just after take off killing at least 111 people on Thursday. (AP Photo/Saurabh Das)

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A French investigator returns after looking at a piece of debris in Cotonou, Benin, Friday Dec. 26, 2003 after a plane bound for Lebanon crashed just after take off killing at least 111 people. (AP Photo/Saurabh Das)



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Pastel alert!

Policemen patrol the Champs Elysees avenue amongst strollers on Christmas Day, Thursday, Dec. 25, 2003. The Vigipirate national warning plan, with four color-coded levels from yellow to scarlet, was placed on "orange" or "reinforced" alert last Dec. 1. The Arc de Triomphe is seen in background. (AP Photo/Claude Paris)

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Mila Dusanic, the mother of slain Serbian prime minister Zoran Djindjic arrives at the court for the trial of the alleged assassins of her son, Thursday Dec. 25 2003 in Belgrade.(AP Photo / Srdjan Ilic)

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A jail security officer watches Marko Milivojevic, the lawyer of Milorad Lukovic-Legija, former commander of elite "Red Berets" and alleged mastermind of assassination of Serbia's prime minister Zoran Djindjic, Thursday Dec. 25 2003 while he arrives at the special court in Belgrade. The landmark trial of the suspected assassins devolved into turmoil Wednesday after Zvezdan Jovanovic, elite "Red Berets" deputy commander who allegedly gunned down the reformist leader refused to enter a plea and defense attorneys walked out in protest of what they called a biased court. (AP Photo / Srdjan Ilic)

[HumanShield]

all that death is a real downer after xmas :|

[Deuterium]

Wire cutters maybe??

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=501888

[HumanShield]

rocket launcher mounts? looks to small for that though..

[George W. Bush]

They are intimidation tools or i-Tools. Throw an Iraqi on top of it while his buddies watch and no more jihad.

[HumanShield]

They are intimidation tools or i-Tools. Throw an Iraqi on top of it while his buddies watch and no more jihad.

haha rofl

[kinghk]

Nice pics (as always) He219.

How common is organ donation in Israel?

[Operation Ivy]

Good job... :hug: tanks! woot

[uri]

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Friends of Angelina Shchirov mourn during her funeral in Kfar Saba, Israel, December 26, 2003. Shchirov and another three Israelis were killed after a suicide bomber blew himself up at a bus station near Tel Aviv on Thursday. *******/Nir Elias

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Friends of Angelina Shchirov mourn during her funeral in Kfar Saba, Israel, December 26, 2003. Shchirov and another three Israelis were killed after a suicide bomber blew himself up at a bus station near Tel Aviv on Thursday. *******/Nir Elias

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Family and friends mourn as they follow the coffin of Angelina Shchirov during her funeral in Kfar Saba, Israel, December 26, 2003. Shchirov and another three Israelis where killed after a suicide bomber blew himself up at a bus station near Tel Aviv on Thursday. *******/Nir Elias

[uri]

How common is organ donation in Israel?


is it supposed to be funny?
because it isn't.

[Vance]

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Sometimes I wonder....why

[UoUo]

Cuz there are people that Human live is nothing for them...that why...

[uri]

Sometimes I wonder....why

terror
Ter´ror
Noun 1. terror - an overwhelming feeling of fear and anxiety
panic
fear, fearfulness, fright - an emotion experienced in anticipation of some specific pain or danger (usually accompanied by a desire to flee or fight)
2. terror - a person who inspires fear or dread; "he was the terror of the neighborhood"
scourge, threat
human, individual, mortal, person, somebody, someone, soul - a human being; "there was too much for one person to do"

[kinghk]

How common is organ donation in Israel?


is it supposed to be funny?
because it isn't.

No, it was not a joke. When I saw a picture of those guys who are collecting bodyparts from the crimescene to fullfill the jewish demand the the whole body must be buried, I wondered how common organ donation is.

[ArmedPacifist]

http://a1112.g.akamai.net/7/1112/492/03312000/news.lycos.com/news/ot_getImage.asp?op=img&id=501413

:D

[uri]

How common is organ donation in Israel?


is it supposed to be funny?
because it isn't.

No, it was not a joke. When I saw a picture of those guys who are collecting bodyparts from the crimescene to fullfill the jewish demand the the whole body must be buried, I wondered how common organ donation is.

well, the main concern in those events is the amount of "blood units" in
the Blood Bank. When there is a need in new blood unit (like in extra big
terror acts), there is an oficial request to ****rubute blood.
the collecting of body parts is by the jewish religion.

[He219]

Sometimes I wonder....why
Exactly. Terror goes both ways....

RIP to the victims of the cycle of violence
:(


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Officers and NCOs serve Christmas chow to soldiers from 5th Battalion, 3rd Brigade, 20th Infantry Regiment, 2nd Infantry Division on Thursday at Tactical Assembly Area Warhorse outside Samarra, Iraq.


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Pfc. Jeremy Ledlow, far left, from Berry, Ala., Pfc. Clint James Wolf, center, from Baton Rouge, La., and Pfc. Michael Jones, from Lithia, Fla., all with 5th Battalion, 3rd Brigade, 20th Infantry Regiment, 2nd Infantry Division, enjoy Christmas chow Thursday at Tactical Assembly Area Warhorse outside Samarra.

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Capt. Yunyoung Ugaitafa, right, serves gravy to Cpl. Valerio Garcia, from Pomona, Calif., at Tactical Assembly Area Warhorse on Wednesday.

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Pfc. Matty Whipple, left, from Philadelphia, and Sgt. Darren Starling, from Gary, Ind., both from 3rd Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division, play music after attending a Wednesday candlelight service at Forward Operating Base Pacesetter near Ad Duluiyah, Iraq.

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Pfc. Nichola McClure, left, from Roseburg, Ore., Pfc. Jamie Friffie, center, from Chestertown, Md., and 1st Sgt. Toese Tia, from American Somoa, sing Christmas carols with other soldiers from 3rd Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division at a candlelight service on Christmas Eve at Forward Operating Base Pacesetter near Ad Duluiyah.

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Soldiers from 3rd Brigade, 2nd Infantry Division attend a Wednesday candlelight service at Forward Operating Base Pacesetter near Ad Duluiyah.

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A soldier dressed as Santa Claus celebrates Christmas on Thursday at Bagram Air Base, in Kabul, Afghanistan.

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Pfc. John Shepherd, from Tampa, Fla., with the 4th Infantry Division, keeps watch during a Christmas day patrol in Samarra. Three soldiers were killed when an improvised explosive device exploded beneath their vehicle near here yesterday.

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Fourth Infantry Division soldiers patrol on Christmas day in Samarra.

[kinghk]

well, the main concern in those events is the amount of "blood units" in the Blood Bank. When there is a need in new blood unit (like in extra big
terror acts), there is an oficial request to ****rubute blood.
the collecting of body parts is by the jewish religion.

I knew that the collecting of body parts is jewish religion.
Although organ donation is usally happends in cases where the body has suffered cerebral haemorrhage or blood clot / thrombus which probably is likely to happend from a terrorist attack like this, I still wonder how common organ donation is when "regular" accidents happends. This jewish tradition must be a real handicap for israeli doctors. The organs that can be transplanted into another human is the heart, both lungs, both kidneys, liver and pancreas.

[uri]

Exactly. Terror goes both ways....

RIP to the victims of the cycle of violence
:(

a lame one...

US Army learning the Israeli methods of fighting Islamic terror, but you
don't hear anyone say about US in Iraq - Terror goes both ways....
wasn't september 11 enough to understand the danger of Islamic extremists?

[uri]

I knew that the collecting of body parts is jewish religion.
Although organ donation is usally happends in cases where the body has suffered cerebral haemorrhage or blood clot / thrombus which probably is likely to happend from a terrorist attack like this, I still wonder how common organ donation is when "regular" accidents happends. This jewish tradition must be a real handicap for israeli doctors. The organs that can be transplanted into another human is the heart, both lungs, both kidneys, liver and pancreas.

the religion don't stand in the way of modern medicine.

[He219]

Exactly. Terror goes both ways....

RIP to the victims of the cycle of violence
:(

a lame one...

US Army learning the Israeli methods of fighting Islamic terror, but you
don't hear anyone say about US in Iraq - Terror goes both ways....
wasn't september 11 enough to understand the danger of Islamic extremists?

There is danger in extremism of any kind and there certainly are victims of terror in Iraq.

Fighting Terror and colonizing the Occupied Territories are two issues, inexerably intertwined....

:roll:

[uri]

Fighting Terror and colonizing the Occupied Territories are two issues, inexerably intertwined....

:roll:

BS. it's either in the territories or in Tel Aviv.
US had the luxury to "take it outside", we don't, we live terror since the day we come to the world.

[Vance]

Exactly. Terror goes both ways....

RIP to the victims of the cycle of violence
:(

a lame one...

Wtf do you mean 'lame'? If you didn't notice, the first picture was a Palestian boy who probably didn't give a crap about politics or war...I wish both of you would stop fighting. (Palestine and Isreal, I mean.) I know, it's eaiser said than done....

[Mr. Nielsen]

The suicide bomb at the bus stop at the Geha Junction is apparently not a terrorist attack. Three of the death are military personel, the fourt seems to have been a civilian.

The attack was carried out by the PFLP. PFLP attacks seems to be quite rare.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/376094.html

[uri]

Wtf do you mean 'lame'? If you didn't notice, the first picture was a Palestian boy who probably didn't give a crap about politics or war...I wish both of you would stop fighting. (Palestine and Isreal, I mean.) I know, it's eaiser said than done....

a lame saying. that's all.

the boy crying over killed militant who was on his way to a terror act on civil population.

[UoUo]

The suicide bomb at the bus stop at the Geha Junction is apparently not a terrorist attack. Three of the death are military personel, the fourt seems to have been a civilian.

The attack was carried out by the PFLP. PFLP attacks seems to be quite rare.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/376094.html

You are ****in stupaid or what ? a lot of wonded was civilian..and 1 of the deads was civilian...so how it is not a terror attack ?

[uri]

The suicide bomb at the bus stop at the Geha Junction is apparently not a terrorist attack. Three of the death are military personel, the fourt seems to have been a civilian.

The attack was carried out by the PFLP. PFLP attacks seems to be quite rare.

http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/376094.html

it is a terror act, those was soldiers on a way home on a civil bus.
the "soldiers" was hit by "accident"

[Vance]

Yeah, but it's still his brother. And he's just a little boy, wrecked by war. I'm not trying to sympathize with the militants, just taking a softer side on things.

[usa320]

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PWNED!!!

[IDFM203]

RIP to the victims of the cycle of violence
:(
what do you mean by cycle of violence?? . So if Israel does not fire a single shot in defence or if it hadn’t fired a single shot of violence in the past three years, and stops any violence on its part now in going after these killers, so in effect it stops its side from going round “the cycle”, does that mean that violence and suicide bombings by the Palestinians would not have happened?? They would not fire as well??? They would not have suicide bombings as well?? thier part of that "cycle" would not have happned??(Read my sig for better understand of what I feel).


To MR. Neilson, it is a terrorist attack for they targeted a civilian bus in a civilian city that had most of its passengers to be civilians

Shalom :D

[He219]

Three militants and two civilians were killed in the Israeli attack.

The last Israeli air raid until Thursday's, in the Gaza Strip on Oct. 20, killed 14 people, most of them bystanders. Such operations, which often cause civilian casualties, incite angry reactions among Palestinians and often have led to revenge attacks.

In the interim, the peace plan requires Israel to freeze settlement activity in the West Bank and Gaza, and orders the Palestinians to dismantle militant groups — steps neither side has taken.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20031226/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians_031210190242

It's called a 'cycle of violence'.

PEACE
:hug:

[UoUo]

No it's not....the palstinian don't kill jews in respned of something...they killing jews sense the day they born...


News flash : palstinian use to kill jews pre 67.

[Vance]

PEACE
Through superior firepower. ;)


Man, I need one of those buttons...

[Mr. Nielsen]

No it's not....the palstinian don't kill jews in respned of something...they killing jews sense the day they born...


News flash : palstinian use to kill jews pre 67.

Israelis didn't kill palestinians prior to 1967?

[IDFM203]

It's called a 'cycle of violence'.

I know what you or some other's call it :roll:

now you didn’t answer my question!! (Go read it again!!)

I am not going to respond to every incident and every action (hey like you guys have learnt very well in Iraq and in Afghanistan, unfortunate mistakes happen) .............if you want to be blinded by the trees with regards to violence, that that’s fine...the forest tells me that if Israel never fired a shot or if it stopped firing shots, there would still be violence and suicide bombings by them in Israeli cities like tel aviv and jerusalem and haifa and etc..!!

Shalom to you :D

[UoUo]

No it's not....the palstinian don't kill jews in respned of something...they killing jews sense the day they born...


News flash : palstinian use to kill jews pre 67.

Israelis didn't kill palestinians prior to 1967?


No.

BTW : Ther exsuse for the terror is that israel control the palistinian land no ? so what was the exsxuse in pre 67 ?

[Mr. Nielsen]

To MR. Neilson, it is a terrorist attack for they targeted a civilian bus in a civilian city that had most of its passengers to be civilians

3 out of 4 killed suggest that the bomber deliberately seeked out those in uniform, based on the available information. Thats of course not conclusive. Had the bomb been bigger the casualty figures might have been 20 civilians, 3 military even if the bomber had seeked out those in uniform. The laws of war states that civilian casualties should be avoided at all cause. So technically the bomber should have removed explosives from the bomb until civilian casualties could be avoided entirely.

[UoUo]

To MR. Neilson, it is a terrorist attack for they targeted a civilian bus in a civilian city that had most of its passengers to be civilians

3 out of 4 killed suggest that the bomber deliberately seeked out those in uniform, based on the available information. Thats of course not conclusive. Had the bomb been bigger the casualty figures might have been 20 civilians, 3 military even if the bomber had seeked out those in uniform. The laws of war states that civilian casualties should be avoided at all cause. So technically the bomber should have removed explosives from the bomb until civilian casualties could be avoided entirely.

You know why ther are terror in the world ? just cuz people like you... you make me sick mister nilsen....but until you will fill what is teror...then you maybe gonna understant what is to live here. :bash: :bash:

[Mr. Nielsen]

Mr. Nielsen wrote:
Quote:
No it's not....the palstinian don't kill jews in respned of something...they killing jews sense the day they born...


News flash : palstinian use to kill jews pre 67.


Israelis didn't kill palestinians prior to 1967?



No.

BTW : Ther exsuse for the terror is that israel control the palistinian land no ? so what was the exsxuse in pre 67 ?

Are you telling me that you don't know the history of Israel?

[IDFM203]

To MR. Neilson, it is a terrorist attack for they targeted a civilian bus in a civilian city that had most of its passengers to be civilians

3 out of 4 killed suggest that the bomber deliberately seeked out those in uniform, based on the available information. Thats of course not conclusive. . not conclusive is a understatement!! Most unlikely is the most probable word you should have used (though I don’t expect you to :roll: )!!

The bus is filled mostly with civilians in a civilian bus in a civilian city.


Had the bomb been bigger the casualty figures might have been 20 civilians, 3 military even if the bomber had seeked out those in uniform. The laws of war states that civilian casualties should be avoided at all cause. So technically the bomber should have removed explosives from the bomb until civilian casualties could be avoided entirely.
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Boy this is a whole new level of terrorist apologists :roll:

I mean I don’t even know what to say to this…….I mean you have assumed that after 90+ percent of the suicide attacks that have been against civilians where mostly civilians have been killed, somehow this one terrorist decided to pack just enough (not too much :roll: ) explosives to only kill three or four people and that he went on a civilian bus and sought out those few soldiers to just target them.


What can I say that’s you belief :roll:

There is nothing more I can say to change your belief :roll:

Shalom :D

[FallenAngel]

3 out of 4 killed suggest that the bomber deliberately seeked out those in uniform, based on the available information. Thats of course not conclusive. Had the bomb been bigger the casualty figures might have been 20 civilians, 3 military even if the bomber had seeked out those in uniform. The laws of war states that civilian casualties should be avoided at all cause. So technically the bomber should have removed explosives from the bomb until civilian casualties could be avoided entirely.

I've never been to Israel, but since everyone is conscripted for three years, basically anyone between the ages of 18-22 are "in uniform". Add in all the career military and older soldiers doing their active duty portion of the reserve- finding someone "in uniform" isn't as hard as you might think in Isreal. I'm sure there's days where you can't throw a rock in Tel Aviv without hitting someone "in uniform".

[UoUo]

And BTW : the soldair that die was non combat...and they did;t carried any weopn.

[Mr. Nielsen]

I mean I don’t even know what to say to this…….I mean you have assumed that after 90+ percent of the suicide attacks that have been against civilians where mostly civilians have been killed, somehow this one terrorist decided to pack just enough (not too much ) explosives to only kill three or four people and that he went on a civilian bus and sought out those few soldiers to just target them.

I don't know what went on inside the head of that suicide bomber. If he thought rationally, if he was in a daze because of the abnormity of being about to die. I don't know what's going on inside the the head of an Israeli gunner who is involved in an action that lead to the deaths of civilian. I don't know what his eyes were seeing in the sight or what his mind believed he was seeing. Thats why I'm more inclined to look at the facts, such as, are the victims military or civilians. And those numbers tell me that an awful number of civilians are getting killed on both sides.

[IDFM203]

I don't know what went on inside the head of that suicide bomber. If he thought rationally, if he was in a daze because of the abnormity of being about to die.. well you seemed pretty sure to know before!!

You said “3 out of 4 killed suggest that the bomber deliberately seeked out those in uniform and “Had the bomb been bigger the casualty figures might have been” that seemed pretty clear what you were saying that you knew or most probably thought what he was thinking.

And to that I responded

“I mean I don’t even know what to say to this…….I mean you have assumed that after 90+ percent of the suicide attacks that have been against civilians where mostly civilians have been killed, somehow this one terrorist decided to pack just enough (not too much ) explosives to only kill three or four people and that he went on a civilian bus (where most of it was filled with civilians) and sought out those few soldiers to just target them”

Based on that, its preatty clear who he targeted, but you belive differently..........oh well :roll:


Shalom :D

[Mr. Nielsen]

I've never been to Israel, but since everyone is conscripted for three years, basically anyone between the ages of 18-22 are "in uniform". Add in all the career military and older soldiers doing their active duty portion of the reserve- finding someone "in uniform" isn't as hard as you might think in Isreal. I'm sure there's days where you can't throw a rock in Tel Aviv without hitting someone "in uniform".

So that if you bomb a random bus there would be a certain chance that there would be at least one victim in uniform? I guess so. And that also mean that the suicide bombers could, if the absolutely had to blow themselves up, could find a place with uniformed personel.

[George W. Bush]

if this was a real 'war' then Israel would wipe out those scumbags in a couple of weeks.

[Mr. Nielsen]

And BTW : the soldair that die was non combat...and they did;t carried any weopn.

I guess members of Hamas have been killed too when they were unarmed being "off duty". So I guess It would be hard to expect them only to engage IDF personel with weapons in their hands.

[UoUo]

And BTW : the soldair that die was non combat...and they did;t carried any weopn.

I guess members of Hamas have been killed too when they were unarmed being "off duty". So I guess It would be hard to expect them only to engage IDF personel with weapons in their hands.

Maybe you didn't get it...they were non combat...they don't go for Fighting...they not deal with palstinians...they were from "pikud aaoref"
They job is to supply gas mask in wars.....that all.

But hey !! al the jews are terroists !! and i belive that they brothers were in golani !!! so it was not a terror attack !!! :roll:

[Vance]

So what if these two Hamas dudes that were killed only serve in Hamas to supply them with gas masks as well? (And were not armed) Are they still terrorists?

[UoUo]

So what if these two Hamas dudes that were killed only serve in Hamas to supply them with gas masks as well? (And were not armed) Are they still terrorists?

WTF ? if they were going to supply gas mask to hamas member that fight israel so yes...

But those who died supply gas mask to cilvinan in war time...and as you know...palstinian don't use gas...so those people who died even don't help the IDF fight in the hamas

[Vance]

So what if these two Hamas dudes that were killed only serve in Hamas to supply them with gas masks as well? (And were not armed) Are they still terrorists?

WTF ? if they were going to supply gas mask to hamas member that fight israel so yes...
So let me get this straight, if he supplies gas masks to Hamas to fight Isrealis he's a terrorist...I bet if it was the other way around, the Isreali wouldn't be a terrorist, right? :roll:

[UoUo]

So what if these two Hamas dudes that were killed only serve in Hamas to supply them with gas masks as well? (And were not armed) Are they still terrorists?

WTF ? if they were going to supply gas mask to hamas member that fight israel so yes...
So let me get this straight, if he supplies gas masks to Hamas to fight Isrealis he's a terrorist...I bet if it was the other way around, the Isreali wouldn't be a terrorist, right? :roll:

Oh...ffs..the IDF isn't a terroist group...the hamas is a terrosit hamas

BTW : maybe you got me wrong...cuz my bad and broken english.

[Vance]

So what if these two Hamas dudes that were killed only serve in Hamas to supply them with gas masks as well? (And were not armed) Are they still terrorists?

WTF ? if they were going to supply gas mask to hamas member that fight israel so yes...
So let me get this straight, if he supplies gas masks to Hamas to fight Isrealis he's a terrorist...I bet if it was the other way around, the Isreali wouldn't be a terrorist, right? :roll:

Oh...ffs..the IDF isn't a terroist group...the hamas is a terrosit hamas

BTW : maybe you got me wrong...cuz my bad and broken english.
No, I got you perfectly.

You know what they say, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Those who fight against the IDF think that the IDF are the terrorists, much like the Taliban think we (The USA) are the terrorists. And, as, He219 said earlier, this concludes the 'cycle of violence'.

[UoUo]

So what if these two Hamas dudes that were killed only serve in Hamas to supply them with gas masks as well? (And were not armed) Are they still terrorists?

WTF ? if they were going to supply gas mask to hamas member that fight israel so yes...
So let me get this straight, if he supplies gas masks to Hamas to fight Isrealis he's a terrorist...I bet if it was the other way around, the Isreali wouldn't be a terrorist, right? :roll:

Oh...ffs..the IDF isn't a terroist group...the hamas is a terrosit hamas

BTW : maybe you got me wrong...cuz my bad and broken english.
No, I got you perfectly.

You know what they say, one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. Those who fight against the IDF think that the IDF are the terrorists, much like the Taliban think we (The USA) are the terrorists. And, as, He219 said earlier, this concludes the 'cycle of violence'.

Tell me somthing...don't you see right now that israel and usa do exactly the same things ?

But the war in israel is in thir homes...

What you saying is that you agree that US army is a terrorist group by iraqi's ? or taliban ?

[ShotOver]

Oi, fellas... 20,000 People were killed in Iran, there was bombs going off in Israel, people were blown up and hurt in Iraq, planes are crashing into the oceans.

Can we at least have peace in these forums?

Stop all the arguing, and pay some respect for the murdered and the killed, both civilian and military.

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Oi, fellas... 20,000 People were killed in Iran, there was bombs going off in Israel, people were blown up and hurt in Iraq, planes are crashing into the oceans.

Can we at least have peace in these forums?

Stop all the arguing, and pay some respect for the murdered and the killed, both civilian and military.

Couldnt have said it any better myself, maybe we all should lay off a bit. :petting: :hug: woot

[aFgHaNibOi]

Thanks, nice pictures, though most of them were sad. :oops:

[redhawk_six]

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PWNED!!!

People like you make me sick!

Death is not a joke! This is not a screen shot from one of your computer games! This was a real human being, who had family, and a life, and you would turn this persons death into a joke! Grow up.

[S'13]

http://wwwi.*******.com/images/2003-12-26T125602Z_01_BAG05D_RTRIDSP_2_IRAQ-BOMBS.jpg


I wonder what are the safety standards of the unarmored vehicles deployed in Iraq, have a lot of vehicles been added with armor (if at all)? I'm asking this since we hear more and more about roadside bombs and attacks against convoys of U.S soldiers in Iraq...

[TALOS]

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PWNED!!!

People like you make me sick!

Death is not a joke! This is not a screen shot from one of your computer games! This was a real human being, who had family, and a life, and you would turn this persons death into a joke! Grow up.
The person in that picture was on his way to kill people... people who most probably (based on past attacks) had nothing to do with him or any of his terrorist buddies.
Save the sympathy for the innocent

[ShotOver]

Yeah, he was a suicide bomber, why should he get any sympathy. He is terrorist scum.

[DE_Six]

No it's not....the palstinian don't kill jews in respned of something...they killing jews sense the day they born...


News flash : palstinian use to kill jews pre 67.

Israelis didn't kill palestinians prior to 1967?


No.



Erm. Deir Yassin?

http://www.ariga.com/peacewatch/dy/

[S'13]

No it's not....the palstinian don't kill jews in respned of something...they killing jews sense the day they born...


News flash : palstinian use to kill jews pre 67.

Israelis didn't kill palestinians prior to 1967?


No.



Erm. Deir Yassin?

http://www.ariga.com/peacewatch/dy/

Deir Yassin was a battle in which many civilians died because of their own participation in the battle and the help they gave to the Arab armies.


The attack force consisted of about 132 men, 72 from Irgun and 60 from Lehi as well as a few women to serve as support. Most were teens lacking military training or experience.

From Givat Shaul a Lehi unit approached Deir Yassin, accompanied with Meir Pa'il and a photographer to watch their military performance. (Uri Milstein, Deir Yassin) One Irgun unit moved towards Deir Yassin from the east, while a second approached it from the south. At 4:45 a.m. the fighting started when concealed Irgunists encountered a village guard. (Uri Milstein, Out of Crisis Comes Decision, p.262) The road south-westward towards Ein Kerem filled with panicked villagers fleeing.

From the Sharafa rigde, villagers fire inflicted heavy casualties and drove off the Irgun. The Lehi units advance stopped at the town's center where they were only holding the eastern parts. The attacker's fighting capability matched their progress, weapons failed to work, a few tossed hand-grenades without pulling the plug and a Lehi unit commander, Amos Keynan, was wounded by his own men. (Deir Yassin, Milstein; A Jewish Eyewitness: An Interview with Meir Pa'il, McGowan)

While both Irgun and Stern commanders had anticipated many residents would flee, and the remaining would surrender after token resistance, both groups of soldiers, entering the town from different sides, immediately encountered fierce volleys of Arab rifle fire.

Irgun deputy commander Michael Harif, one of the first to enter Deir Yassin, later recalled how, early in the battle, I saw a man in khaki run ahead. I thought he was one of us, I ran after him and told him, 'Move ahead to that house!' Suddenly he turned, pointed his weapon at me and fired. He was an Iraqi soldier. I was wounded in the leg. (Milstein interview with Harif, p. 262)

Patchiah Zalivensky of Lehi recalled that among the Arab soldiers killed by his unit was a Yugoslavian Muslim officer. (Uri Milstein, Out of Crisis Came Decision p.263)

The villagers sniper fire from higher positions in the west contained effectively the attack, especially from the mukhtar's (the mayor's) house. Some Lehi units went for help from the Haganah's Camp Schneller in Jerusalem. (Out of Crisis Comes Decision, p.262-265, Milstein)

Intense Arab firepower caused the fighters' advance into Deir Yassin to be very slow. Reuven Greenberg reported later that the Arabs fought like lions and excelled at accurate sniping. He added that [Arab] women ran from the houses under fire, collected the weapons which had fallen from the hands of Arab fighters who had been wounded, and brought them back into the houses. (Testimony of Reuven Greenberg.)


In certain cases, after storming a house, dead Arab women were found with guns in their hands, a sign they had taken part in the battle. (Testimony of Yehoshua Gorodenchik, MZ.) Ezra Yachin recalled, To take a house, you had either to throw a grenade or shoot your way into it. If you were foolish enough to open doors, you got shot down--sometimes by men dressed up as women, shooting out at you in a second of surprise. (Lynne Reid Banks, A Torn Country: An Oral History of the Israeli War of Independence (New York: Franklin Watts, 1982), p. 62.)
Pre-battle briefings had stated that most of the Deir Yassin houses had wooden doors, so while trying to storm them, the fighters were surprised to discover the doors were made of iron, leaving no recourse but to blow them open with powerful explosives, in the process inadvertently killing or wounding some inhabitants.(Testimony of Yehoshua Gorodenchik, MZ.) The Lehi forces slowly advanced house by house.

Meanwhile, the IZL soldiers on the other side of the village, were having a very difficult time. By 7:00 a.m., discouraged by the Arab resistance and their own increasing casualties, IZL commanders relayed a message to the Lehi camp that they were seriously considering retreating from the town.

Lehi commanders relayed back that they had already entered the village and expected victory soon.

The large number of wounded was a big problem for the guerillas, they had to be evacuated but if they did they could be fired upon. Meret called the Magen David Adom station for an ambulance that came to the battle area. The attackers took beds out of the houses, laid the wounded on them and ordered the inhabitants of the village, including women and old people, to carry the beds to the ambulance and to screen them. They believed the Arabs would not shoot their own people which however they did. (Uri Milstein, Out of Crisis Came Decision, p. 265)

The IZL quickly arranged to receive a supply of explosives from their base in Givat Shaul, and started blasting their way into house after house. In certain instances, the force of the explosions collapsed whole parts of houses, burying Arab soldiers as well as civilians who were still inside.

In numerous instances of Arabs emerged from the houses and surrendered; over 100 were taken prisoner by day's end. At least two Haganah members on the scene reported the Lehi repeatedly using a loudspeaker to implore the residents to surrender. (Milstein, p.263, interview with Uri Brenner; Daniel Spicehandler's testimony, quoted in Ralph G. Martin, Golda: Golda Meir - The Romantic Years (New York: Charles Scribner's Sons, 1988), p. 329) In certain cases Arabs pretending to surrender revealed hidden weapons and shot at their would-be Jewish captors. (Testimony of Yehoshua Gorodenchik, MZ).

At about 10:00 am a sizeable Palmach unit from the Haganah arrived, they brought an armored vehicle and a two-inch mortar. (Out of Crisis Comes Decision, p.265-266, Milstein) The mortar shot tree shoots at the mukthar's house which silenced its snipers. The Palmach unit managed to clear the village of serious resistance and Lehi officer David Gottlieb saw the Palmach accomplish in one hour what we could not accomplish in several hours. (Edge of the Sword, p.450, Lorch)

Before the battle the Irgun had prepared a truck armored with a loudspeaker to warn the villagers of the attack and urge them to flee.

In Sid Zion's essay Deir Yassin: History of a Lie he states that: The first fighter unit to reach Deir Yassin was led by a truck armed with a loudspeaker. An Iraqi-born Jew, fluent in Arabic, called out to inhabitants to leave Deir Yassin via the western exit the attackers had left clear for that purpose. Soon after entering the town, however, the truck was hit by Arab gunfire and careened into a ditch.

According to Uri Milstein: "The armored car with the loudspeaker left Givat Shaul a few minutes before 5:00 AM as planned, and by then the battle had already started."

According to Irgun leader Menachem Begin the truck was driven to the entrance of the area and broadcasted a warning to the civilians (The Revolt 1977, Begin).

Other sources claim that the truck never reached the village (Levi, Yitzhak, op. cit. p 342), although some state that it came to a relatively small distance from it. Other sources claim that the truck rolled into a ditch caused by Palestinian gunfire before it could broadcast its warning (Terror out of Zion 1977, Bowyer Bell). Ezra Yachin related,

"After we filled in the ditch we continued travelling. We passed two barricades and stopped in front of the third, 30 meters away from the village. One of us called out on the loudspeaker in Arabic, telling the inhabitants to put down their weapons and flee. I don't know if they heard, and I know these appeals had no effect. We alighted from the armored car and joined the attack"(Uri Milstein, op. cit. p. 262.)

Whether or not the truck's message was heard by the villagers is unclear. While hundreds of Deir Yassin residents did flee, it is unclear if it was because of the announcements, the sound of gunfire, or warnings from fellow-villagers who were near the battle sites.

[DE_Six]

That's one interpretation. Here's another:


At the beginning of April Irgun and Lehi commanders met and decided to attack Deir Yassin. They rejected suggestions by their own commanders, and by Haganah commander David Shaltiel, to attack strategically important targets (Sheikh Jerakh, Ein Kerem, Qoloniya) because they felt they were too difficult for their inexperienced and ill-equipped soldiers. 5They investigated and found, to the best of their knowledge, that Deir Yassin was a quiet and peaceful village, and decided to attack it nonetheless. It was later claimed that Deir Yassin served as a base of attacks and or quartered foreign soldiers, but these were not part of the considerations involved in deciding upon the attack. During some of the preliminary meetings the idea of a massacre was discussed and rejected.6 David Shaltiel gave the Etzel/Lehi commanders a letter saying he had no objection to attacking the village, provided they could hold the village thereafter. 7

The Irgun and Lehi attacked on the morning of Friday April 9, 1948. The map shows the general plan of the area and of the attack. The attack went poorly, because, as Haganah intelligence reported, the two dissident groups had no training, no coordination, no knowledge of how to provide cover fire or carry out leap-frog attacks in which squads provide each other with cover in turn. While the Lehi advanced in the northeast quarter of the village, the Etzel people were unable to make any progress in the south western part of the village allotted to them, in part because of rifle sniper fire from a vantage point in the Mukhtar’s house located on the western heights. This was finally and quickly neutralized by Haganah units using a mortar sometime between 10:00 or 12:00 A.M, after which Haganah units left. 8

There was no longer any resistance, but the village did not surrender. Most of the men had fled, and perhaps there was no recognized leader who could surrender. At this point, or perhaps before, during the heat of battle itself, Etzel and Lehi soldiers began going from house to house and shooting the inhabitants, usually women and children. Groups of prisoners were also taken out of Deir Yassin and paraded on trucks in the streets of Jerusalem before jeering inhabitants before being passed over to the Arab sector. One group of about 15 to 25 men was returned to the village, taken to the village quarry and shot. This specific incident is described by then Captain Meir Pail of the Palmach. 9

Cleanup and Epilogue

The Etzel and Lehi issued a statement glorifying the attack, and claiming that 254 people had been killed, according to the Etzel commander, Raanan. 10 The Haganah, based on the report submitted by Captain Meir Pail, 11 along with an independent report by Etzioni intelligence officer Mordehai Gihon 12 who visited the village on April 9, and Eliahu Arbel, another Haganah officer , who inspected the village on April 10, 13 issued a condemnation of the massacre. Etzel commander Raanan reneged on their commitment to hold the village. By his own admission in later testimony, he cited the letter from Shaltiel as saying that that the Haganah must hold the village, but the letter said that the dissidents must hold the village.14 On April 12th units of the Gadna youth corps relieved the Etzel and Lehi and took up the thankless task of cleaning up of the mess left by the dissidents, including burial of bodies. 15

There were at least two direct reprisals attributed to Deir Yassin. On April 13, Arabs attacked a convoy to Hadassah hospital near Sheikh Jerakh, killing 78 civilian medical personnel and 5 of the convoy defenders. When the Gush Etzion compound surrendered on the eve of Israeli Independence, Arab irregulars machine gunned 50 people after they had surrendered. Witnesses say the attackers were yelling "Deir Yassin, Deir Yassin," when they entered Gush Etzion.

Points of Contention

Following are questions and answers regarding the major points of contention, and some side issues and ‘Red Herrings.’

Major Questions

Was there a Massacre?

There can be no doubt at all that large numbers of civilians were killed unjustifiably at Deir Yassin. Mordehai Gihon, intelligence officer of the Haganah Etzioni Brigade, wrote in his report, submitted April 10 1948:The murder of falachim and innocent citizens, faithful allies of the western sector, who kept faith despite pressure from the gangs, even during the conquest of Sharfa, {Mt Herzl} may lose us the trust of all those Arabs who hoped to be saved from destruction by agreements with us. 16

Meir Pail submitted an independent report, along with his films to David Shaltiel on the morning of April 10, 1948. The report was transmitted to Yisrael Galili, head of the Haganah in Tel-Aviv. It began with a passage from Haim Nahman Bialik’s Poem "In the City of Carnage." Pail related that people were stood in the corners of houses and shot. Afterwards he and the photographer entered the house and took pictures. He related, as noted that about 15-25 men were taken to the quarry, stood up against a natural wall in the quarry and shot, also recorded on film at the IDF archive. 17 The report and the film are still classified. Even Yisrael Galili could not get to them in 1978. 18 Yitzhak Levi apparently had a copy in his own file, however.

This is what it looked like from the other side. Fahimeh Ali Mustafa Zeidan age 11 at the time of the massacre, testified, "As soon as the sun rose, there was knocking at the door, but we did not answer. They blew the door down, entered and started searching the place; they got to the store room, and took us out one-by-one. They shot the son-in-law, and when one of his daughters screamed, they shot her too. They then called my brother Mahmoud and shot him in our presence, and when my mother screamed and bent over my brother, carrying my little sister Khadra, who was still being breast fed, they shot my mother too. We all started screaming and crying, but were told that if we did not stop, they would shoot us all. They then lined us up, shot at us, and left.19

Uri Milstein, who has tried to minimize the massacre and involve the Haganah, wrote "nobody denies: most of the dead in Deir Yassin were old men, women and children, and only a few of them were young men who could be classified as warriors, even though in the Etzel-Lehi meeting before the battle the suggestion (which was raised) of killing civilians had not been accepted, and even though the attackers called upon the villagers to leave the village at the beginning of the attack." 20

Of course, Milstein knows that the villagers never heard this call to leave. The fact that the idea of killing civilians was raised, which we know from many sources, indicates that people had it in mind.

There is also abundant evidence of single atrocities and individual cruelty. For example, a refugee, Mohammed Aref Samir testified: A pregnant woman, who was coming back with her son from the bakery, was murdered and her belly was smashed. 21 This type of atrocity is confirmed by a Jewish witness as well. Shoshana Shatai, commander of a Gadna unit that participated in the burial operation said, " I went into one house and there was a woman there with a great smashed belly." 22

Following is the testimony of Yehoshua Gorodenchik, Etzel Commander, translated from a typescript held in the Jabotinsky archives:"After we had suffered many casualties we started thinking about retreat. We had prisoners, and before withdrawing we decided to get rid of them. We also killed the wounded, since in any event we could not give them first aid.

In another place about 80 Arab prisoners were killed, after one of the them opened fire and killed one of the people who came to give first aid." 23

Eliahu Arbel, an officer of the Haganah, visited Deir Yassin on April 10, 1948 at the request of Haganah District Commander David Shaltiel. He wrote: "On the following day, after the operation, I inspected the village, in accordance with the order of General Shaltiel. Accompanied by an officer of the attacking unit, I saw the horrors that the fighters had created. I saw bodies of women and children, who were murdered in their houses in cold blood by gun fire, with no signs of battle and not as the result of blowing up the houses."
From my experience I know well that there is no war without killing, and that not only combatants get killed. I have seen a great deal of war, but I never saw a sight like Deir Yassin and therefore I cannot forget what happened there." 24

Dr Engel, who visited the village with the Red Cross on April 12, reported:"...It was clear that they (the attackers) had gone from house to house and shot the people at close range. I was a doctor in the German army for 5 years, in WWI, but I had not seen such a horrifying spectacle." 25



IDF officials admitted that Deir Yassin was a massacre, attributed mostly to undisciplined Lehi and Irgun fighters. I didn't post this to debate the circumstances, but it seemed worth mentioning after UoUo's sharp negation of any violence against Palestinians prior to 1967. Israelis and Palestinians have been killing each other ever since the British mandate.

[Andyman]

Do any of you know the story of Jacob and his brother Esau. I mean most of the Jewish members should...but if you dont I sujjest that you look up the history of your people. Jacob and Esau were both son's of Isaac who was the son of Abraham good I'm glad you're with me on this. Anyways Esau was supposed to receive his father's blessing cause he was the firstborn. To make a long story short Esau came home from hunting one day and was so parched that he begged his brother Jacob to have a taste of the stew that he was cooking. Jacob replied "give me your birthright and I will give you my stew" and Esau having not seen the luxury of food for a few days promised over his birthright. Jacob took him literally and confused his already senile father Isaac that he was Esau and took his father's Blessing for himself. Esau hated his brother for this and Jacob therefore had to flee cause Esau was a strong hunter dude and Jacob lived at home with his mommy. Anyways Jacob went on to form the nation of Israel through his fathers line and Esau (who also left the home of his Parents) changed his name to EDOM (Which also means Palestine) and formed what nation? you guessed it Palestine. Thus the origins of the Palestinian/Israeli conflict... it started with the fewed between two brothers whose families fought for years and years up to this day. Why do you think that many Israelis and Palestinians look so alike.

If no one believes me than Jews look in the Torah or some Jewish history book and others look in the bible which regardless of the revalation is an accredited history book. p-)

my sophisticated $0.02

[S'13]

That's one interpretation. Here's another:


At the beginning of April Irgun and Lehi commanders met and decided to attack Deir Yassin. They rejected suggestions by their own commanders, and by Haganah commander David Shaltiel, to attack strategically important targets (Sheikh Jerakh, Ein Kerem, Qoloniya) because they felt they were too difficult for their inexperienced and ill-equipped soldiers. 5They investigated and found, to the best of their knowledge, that Deir Yassin was a quiet and peaceful village, and decided to attack it nonetheless. It was later claimed that Deir Yassin served as a base of attacks and or quartered foreign soldiers, but these were not part of the considerations involved in deciding upon the attack. During some of the preliminary meetings the idea of a massacre was discussed and rejected.6 David Shaltiel gave the Etzel/Lehi commanders a letter saying he had no objection to attacking the village, provided they could hold the village thereafter. 7

The Irgun and Lehi attacked on the morning of Friday April 9, 1948. The map shows the general plan of the area and of the attack. The attack went poorly, because, as Haganah intelligence reported, the two dissident groups had no training, no coordination, no knowledge of how to provide cover fire or carry out leap-frog attacks in which squads provide each other with cover in turn. While the Lehi advanced in the northeast quarter of the village, the Etzel people were unable to make any progress in the south western part of the village allotted to them, in part because of rifle sniper fire from a vantage point in the Mukhtar’s house located on the western heights. This was finally and quickly neutralized by Haganah units using a mortar sometime between 10:00 or 12:00 A.M, after which Haganah units left. 8

There was no longer any resistance, but the village did not surrender. Most of the men had fled, and perhaps there was no recognized leader who could surrender. At this point, or perhaps before, during the heat of battle itself, Etzel and Lehi soldiers began going from house to house and shooting the inhabitants, usually women and children. Groups of prisoners were also taken out of Deir Yassin and paraded on trucks in the streets of Jerusalem before jeering inhabitants before being passed over to the Arab sector. One group of about 15 to 25 men was returned to the village, taken to the village quarry and shot. This specific incident is described by then Captain Meir Pail of the Palmach. 9

Cleanup and Epilogue

The Etzel and Lehi issued a statement glorifying the attack, and claiming that 254 people had been killed, according to the Etzel commander, Raanan. 10 The Haganah, based on the report submitted by Captain Meir Pail, 11 along with an independent report by Etzioni intelligence officer Mordehai Gihon 12 who visited the village on April 9, and Eliahu Arbel, another Haganah officer , who inspected the village on April 10, 13 issued a condemnation of the massacre. Etzel commander Raanan reneged on their commitment to hold the village. By his own admission in later testimony, he cited the letter from Shaltiel as saying that that the Haganah must hold the village, but the letter said that the dissidents must hold the village.14 On April 12th units of the Gadna youth corps relieved the Etzel and Lehi and took up the thankless task of cleaning up of the mess left by the dissidents, including burial of bodies. 15

There were at least two direct reprisals attributed to Deir Yassin. On April 13, Arabs attacked a convoy to Hadassah hospital near Sheikh Jerakh, killing 78 civilian medical personnel and 5 of the convoy defenders. When the Gush Etzion compound surrendered on the eve of Israeli Independence, Arab irregulars machine gunned 50 people after they had surrendered. Witnesses say the attackers were yelling "Deir Yassin, Deir Yassin," when they entered Gush Etzion.

Points of Contention

Following are questions and answers regarding the major points of contention, and some side issues and ‘Red Herrings.’

Major Questions

Was there a Massacre?

There can be no doubt at all that large numbers of civilians were killed unjustifiably at Deir Yassin. Mordehai Gihon, intelligence officer of the Haganah Etzioni Brigade, wrote in his report, submitted April 10 1948:The murder of falachim and innocent citizens, faithful allies of the western sector, who kept faith despite pressure from the gangs, even during the conquest of Sharfa, {Mt Herzl} may lose us the trust of all those Arabs who hoped to be saved from destruction by agreements with us. 16

Meir Pail submitted an independent report, along with his films to David Shaltiel on the morning of April 10, 1948. The report was transmitted to Yisrael Galili, head of the Haganah in Tel-Aviv. It began with a passage from Haim Nahman Bialik’s Poem "In the City of Carnage." Pail related that people were stood in the corners of houses and shot. Afterwards he and the photographer entered the house and took pictures. He related, as noted that about 15-25 men were taken to the quarry, stood up against a natural wall in the quarry and shot, also recorded on film at the IDF archive. 17 The report and the film are still classified. Even Yisrael Galili could not get to them in 1978. 18 Yitzhak Levi apparently had a copy in his own file, however.

This is what it looked like from the other side. Fahimeh Ali Mustafa Zeidan age 11 at the time of the massacre, testified, "As soon as the sun rose, there was knocking at the door, but we did not answer. They blew the door down, entered and started searching the place; they got to the store room, and took us out one-by-one. They shot the son-in-law, and when one of his daughters screamed, they shot her too. They then called my brother Mahmoud and shot him in our presence, and when my mother screamed and bent over my brother, carrying my little sister Khadra, who was still being breast fed, they shot my mother too. We all started screaming and crying, but were told that if we did not stop, they would shoot us all. They then lined us up, shot at us, and left.19

Uri Milstein, who has tried to minimize the massacre and involve the Haganah, wrote "nobody denies: most of the dead in Deir Yassin were old men, women and children, and only a few of them were young men who could be classified as warriors, even though in the Etzel-Lehi meeting before the battle the suggestion (which was raised) of killing civilians had not been accepted, and even though the attackers called upon the villagers to leave the village at the beginning of the attack." 20

Of course, Milstein knows that the villagers never heard this call to leave. The fact that the idea of killing civilians was raised, which we know from many sources, indicates that people had it in mind.

There is also abundant evidence of single atrocities and individual cruelty. For example, a refugee, Mohammed Aref Samir testified: A pregnant woman, who was coming back with her son from the bakery, was murdered and her belly was smashed. 21 This type of atrocity is confirmed by a Jewish witness as well. Shoshana Shatai, commander of a Gadna unit that participated in the burial operation said, " I went into one house and there was a woman there with a great smashed belly." 22

Following is the testimony of Yehoshua Gorodenchik, Etzel Commander, translated from a typescript held in the Jabotinsky archives:"After we had suffered many casualties we started thinking about retreat. We had prisoners, and before withdrawing we decided to get rid of them. We also killed the wounded, since in any event we could not give them first aid.

In another place about 80 Arab prisoners were killed, after one of the them opened fire and killed one of the people who came to give first aid." 23

Eliahu Arbel, an officer of the Haganah, visited Deir Yassin on April 10, 1948 at the request of Haganah District Commander David Shaltiel. He wrote: "On the following day, after the operation, I inspected the village, in accordance with the order of General Shaltiel. Accompanied by an officer of the attacking unit, I saw the horrors that the fighters had created. I saw bodies of women and children, who were murdered in their houses in cold blood by gun fire, with no signs of battle and not as the result of blowing up the houses."
From my experience I know well that there is no war without killing, and that not only combatants get killed. I have seen a great deal of war, but I never saw a sight like Deir Yassin and therefore I cannot forget what happened there." 24

Dr Engel, who visited the village with the Red Cross on April 12, reported:"...It was clear that they (the attackers) had gone from house to house and shot the people at close range. I was a doctor in the German army for 5 years, in WWI, but I had not seen such a horrifying spectacle." 25



IDF officials admitted that Deir Yassin was a massacre, attributed mostly to undisciplined Lehi and Irgun fighters. I didn't post this to debate the circumstances, but it seemed worth mentioning after UoUo's sharp negation of any violence against Palestinians prior to 1967. Israelis and Palestinians have been killing each other ever since the British mandate.

It's long so I hope you will have enough patience to read it, this essay also refers to the eye witness accounts, Haganah's accusation and the numbers you brought forth.

http://www.zoa.org/pubs/DeirYassin.htm

I also found this...


Deir Yassin
By Mitchell Bard

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The United Nations resolved that Jerusalem would be an international city apart from the Arab and Jewish states demarcated in the partition resolution. The 150,000 Jewish inhabitants were under constant military pressure; the 2,500 Jews living in the Old City were victims of an Arab blockade that lasted five months before they were forced to surrender on May 29, 1948. Prior to the surrender, and throughout the siege on Jerusalem, Jewish convoys tried to reach the city to alleviate the food shortage, which, by April, had become critical.

Meanwhile, the Arab forces, which had engaged in sporadic and unorganized ambushes since December 1947, began to make an organized attempt to cut off the highway linking Tel Aviv with Jerusalem - the city's only supply route. The Arabs controlled several strategic vantage points, which overlooked the highway and enabled them to fire on the convoys trying to reach the beleaguered city with supplies. Deir Yassin was situated on a hill, about 2600 feet high, which commanded a wide view of the vicinity and was located less than a mile from the suburbs of Jerusalem. The population was 750.1

On April 6, Operation Nachshon was launched to open the road to Jerusalem. The village of Deir Yassin was included on the list of Arab villages to be occupied as part of the operation. The following day Haganah commander David Shaltiel wrote to the leaders of the Lehi and Irgun:

I learn that you plan an attack on Deir Yassin. I wish to point out that the capture of Deir Yassin and its holding are one stage in our general plan. I have no objection to your carrying out the operation provided you are able to hold the village. If you are unable to do so I warn you against blowing up the village which will result in its inhabitants abandoning it and its ruins and deserted houses being occupied by foreign forces....Furthermore, if foreign forces took over, this would upset our general plan for establishing an airfield.2

The Irgun decided to attack Deir Yassin on April 9, while the Haganah was still engaged in the battle for Kastel. This was the first major Irgun attack against the Arabs. Previously, the Irgun and Lehi had concentrated their attacks against the British.

No Easy Battle
According to Irgun leader Menachem Begin, the assault was carried out by 100 members of that organization; other authors say it was as many as 132 men from both groups. Begin stated that a small open truck fitted with a loudspeaker was driven to the entrance of the village before the attack and broadcast a warning to civilians to evacuate the area, which many did.3 Most writers say the warning was never issued because the truck with the loudspeaker rolled into a ditch before it could broadcast the warning.4 One of the fighters said, the ditch was filled in and the truck continued on to the village. "One of us called out on the loudspeaker in Arabic, telling the inhabitants to put down their weapons and flee. I don't know if they heard, and I know these appeals had no effect."5

Contrary to revisionist histories that the town was filled with peaceful innocents, residents and foreign troops opened fire on the attackers. One fighter described his experience:

My unit stormed and passed the first row of houses. I was among the first to enter the village. There were a few other guys with me, each encouraging the other to advance. At the top of the street I saw a man in khaki clothing running ahead. I thought he was one of ours. I ran after him and told him, "advance to that house." Suddenly he turned around, aimed his rifle and shot. He was an Iraqi soldier. I was hit in the foot.6

The battle was ferocious and took several hours. The Irgun suffered 41 casualties, including four dead.

Counting the Dead
Surprisingly, after the “massacre,” the Irgun escorted a representative of the Red Cross through the town and held a press conference. The New York Times' subsequent description of the battle was essentially the same as Begin's. The Times said more than 200 Arabs were killed, 40 captured and 70 women and children were released. No hint of a massacre appeared in the report. “Paradoxically, the Jews say about 250 out of 400 village inhabitants [were killed], while Arab survivors say only 110 of 1,000.”7 A study by Bir Zeit University, based on discussions with each family from the village, arrived at a figure of 107 Arab civilians dead and 12 wounded, in addition to 13 "fighters," evidence that the number of dead was smaller than claimed and that the village did have troops based there.8 Other Arab sources have subsequently suggested the number may have been even lower.9

In fact, the attackers left open an escape corridor from the village and more than 200 residents left unharmed. For example, at 9:30 A.M., about five hours after the fighting started, the Lehi evacuated 40 old men, women and children on trucks and took them to a base in Sheikh Bader. Later, the Arabs were taken to East Jerusalem. Starting at 2:00 P.M., residents were taken out of the village. The trucks passed through the Orthodox neighborhood of Mea Shearim after the Sabbath had begun, so the neighborhood people cursed and spit at them, not because they were Arabs, but because the vehicles were desecrating the Sabbath. Seeing the Arabs in the hands of Jews also helped raise the morale of the people of Jerusalem who were despondent from the setbacks in the fighting to that point.10 Another source says 70 women and children were taken away and turned over to the British.11 If the intent was to massacre the inhabitants, no one would have been evacuated.

After the remaining Arabs feigned surrender and then fired on the Jewish troops, some Jews killed Arab soldiers and civilians indiscriminately. None of the sources specify how many women and children were killed (the Times report said it was about half the victims; their original casualty figure came from the Irgun source), but there were some among the casualties. Any intentional murder of children or women is completely unjustified. At least some of the women who were killed, however, became targets because of men who tried to disguise themselves as women. The Irgun commander reported, for example, that the attackers "found men dressed as women and therefore they began to shoot at women who did not hasten to go down to the place designated for gathering the prisoners."12 Another story was told by a member of the Haganah who overheard a group of Arabs from Deir Yassin who said "the Jews found out that Arab warriors had disguised themselves as women. The Jews searched the women too. One of the people being checked realized he had been caught, took out a pistol and shot the Jewish commander. His friends, crazed with anger, shot in all directions and killed the Arabs in the area."13

Contrary to claims from Arab propagandists at the time and some since, no evidence has ever been produced that any women were raped. On the contrary, every villager ever interviewed has denied these allegations. Like many of the claims, this was a deliberate propaganda ploy, but one that backfired. Hazam Nusseibi, who worked for the Palestine Broadcasting Service in 1948, admitted being told by Hussein Khalidi, a Palestinian Arab leader, to fabricate the atrocity claims. Abu Mahmud, a Deir Yassin resident in 1948 told Khalidi "there was no rape," but Khalidi replied, "We have to say this, so the Arab armies will come to liberate Palestine from the Jews." Nusseibeh told the BBC 50 years later, "This was our biggest mistake. We did not realize how our people would react. As soon as they heard that women had been raped at Deir Yassin, Palestinians fled in terror."14

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The Jewish Agency, upon learning of the attack, immediately expressed its “horror and disgust.” It also sent a letter expressing the Agency's shock and disapproval to Transjordan's King Abdullah.

The Arab Higher Committee hoped exaggerated reports about a “massacre” at Deir Yassin would shock the population of the Arab countries into bringing pressure on their governments to intervene in Palestine. Instead, the immediate impact was to stimulate a new Palestinian exodus.

Just four days after the reports from Deir Yassin were published, an Arab force ambushed a Jewish convoy on the way to Hadassah Hospital, killing 77 Jews, including doctors, nurses, patients, and the director of the hospital. Another 23 people were injured. This massacre attracted little attention and is never mentioned by those who are quick to bring up Deir Yassin. Moreover, despite attacks such as this against the Jewish community in Palestine, in which more than 500 Jews were killed in the first four months after the partition decision alone, Jews did not flee.

The Palestinians knew, despite their rhetoric to the contrary, the Jews were not trying to annihilate them; otherwise, they would not have been allowed to evacuate Tiberias, Haifa or any of the other towns captured by the Jews. Moreover, the Palestinians could find sanctuary in nearby states. The Jews, however, had no place to run had they wanted to. They were willing to fight to the death for their country. It came to that for many, because the Arabs were interested in annihilating the Jews, as Secretary-General of the Arab League Azzam Pasha made clear in an interview with the BBC on the eve of the war (May 15, 1948): “The Arabs intend to conduct a war of extermination and momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacres and the Crusades.”

References to Deir Yassin have remained a staple of anti-Israel propaganda for decades because the incident was unique.



True, Israelis and Palestinians have been killing each other ever since the British mandate (and even before then). But to take Deir Yassin as an example of a massacre is wrong...

[ArmedPacifist]

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PWNED!!!

People like you make me sick!

Death is not a joke! This is not a screen shot from one of your computer games! This was a real human being, who had family, and a life, and you would turn this persons death into a joke! Grow up.
The person in that picture was on his way to kill people... people who most probably (based on past attacks) had nothing to do with him or any of his terrorist buddies.
Save the sympathy for the innocent

So that cancels out the fact that he was a person? The dead are innocent. If it was an Israeli under that sheet and he said pwned, half this board would have jumped on him.

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PWNED!!!

People like you make me sick!

Death is not a joke! This is not a screen shot from one of your computer games! This was a real human being, who had family, and a life, and you would turn this persons death into a joke! Grow up.
The person in that picture was on his way to kill people... people who most probably (based on past attacks) had nothing to do with him or any of his terrorist buddies.
Save the sympathy for the innocent

So that cancels out the fact that he was a person? The dead are innocent. If it was an Israeli under that sheet and he said pwned, half this board would have jumped on him.

Exactly. A human is a human. A soldier goes into the field to kill people, does that mean it's okay to laugh at his/her death too? Just because he/she goes against your (and my) values does not make their life any less meaningful. A death is not a joke, no matter who was killed, no matter how. Death is death, a horrible thing, not something to laugh at. This person most likely has family and friends, put yourself in their shoes. Would you like someone laughing at the death of one of your family members or friends? No? Then don't make jokes out of someone's death!

[TALOS]

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PWNED!!!

People like you make me sick!

Death is not a joke! This is not a screen shot from one of your computer games! This was a real human being, who had family, and a life, and you would turn this persons death into a joke! Grow up.
The person in that picture was on his way to kill people... people who most probably (based on past attacks) had nothing to do with him or any of his terrorist buddies.
Save the sympathy for the innocent

So that cancels out the fact that he was a person? The dead are innocent. If it was an Israeli under that sheet and he said pwned, half this board would have jumped on him.

The dead are innocent? OMG who came up with that one?... he was a terrorist, if it was an Israeli terrorist then I would have no sympathy either.
The radical israelis, like the one who killed the worshipping arabs in the temple, in jerusalem I believe, many years ago was a terrorist and if he had died in the act then so what.
There is a huge difference between soldiers goin to war and COWARDS targeting innocent civilians for fun.
Dont pull all this holier than thou crap when you support or excuse terrorists.

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[Ballistic]

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PWNED!!!

People like you make me sick!

Death is not a joke! This is not a screen shot from one of your computer games! This was a real human being, who had family, and a life, and you would turn this persons death into a joke! Grow up.
The person in that picture was on his way to kill people... people who most probably (based on past attacks) had nothing to do with him or any of his terrorist buddies.
Save the sympathy for the innocent

So that cancels out the fact that he was a person? The dead are innocent. If it was an Israeli under that sheet and he said pwned, half this board would have jumped on him.

Exactly. A human is a human. A soldier goes into the field to kill people, does that mean it's okay to laugh at his/her death too? Just because he/she goes against your (and my) values does not make their life any less meaningful. A death is not a joke, no matter who was killed, no matter how. Death is death, a horrible thing, not something to laugh at. This person most likely has family and friends, put yourself in their shoes. Would you like someone laughing at the death of one of your family members or friends? No? Then don't make jokes out of someone's death!

Their life was meaningless the moment they decided to become suicide bombers and target innocent civilians, those helping Coalition Forces, or the Coalition Forces themselves. They were terrorists and got exactly what they deserved. Pity this doesnt happen more often. Being killed prematurely by their own devices and not hurting/killing anyone else in the process. A good and fitting end. I have no sympathy for people like them, the world is a better place without them.


The dead are innocent.

Huh ?? Which dead are you referring too ?

[Saint]

The only good terrorist....is a dead terrorist....right?

[TALOS]

The only good terrorist....is a dead terrorist....right?
RIGHT

[usa320]

People like you make me sick!

Death is not a joke! This is not a screen shot from one of your computer games! This was a real human being, who had family, and a life, and you would turn this persons death into a joke! Grow up.


NO people like you make the civilized world sick.

NO. THis aint no game.

This guy must not have thought much about his family or his life. He lost the right to life or family as soon as he strapped that bomb belt on. He was going to blow up Iraqis just like himself, who also had families and lives, and have nothing to do with this jerkoff.

He got lucky. I would blown the **** out of him.

[usa320]

The dead are innocent.

I can think of 19 other dead men who sure as **** arent innocent. I also hope they have the worst stay in hell anyone has ever had.

[ArmedPacifist]

Sadistic.

[TALOS]

Sadistic.

No, not sadistic, just tired of people who excuse terrorists cuz they personally have a beef with the states or western countries. You dont seem to condemn the truly sadistic ones who are in fact the terrorists committing the real crimes.

[Javehn]

That can explain some . Read it , if you like .It's not accurate to the bottom , but have very good points .

http://www.sullivan-county.com/id4/plo_media.htm

[ArmedPacifist]

Sadistic.

No, not sadistic, just tired of people who excuse terrorists cuz they personally have a beef with the states or western countries. You dont seem to condemn the truly sadistic ones who are in fact the terrorists committing the real crimes.

So you enjoy seeing people die? That means your sadistic, and if they enjoy knowing they are killing people, that means they are sadistic also ;)

[TALOS]

Sadistic.

No, not sadistic, just tired of people who excuse terrorists cuz they personally have a beef with the states or western countries. You dont seem to condemn the truly sadistic ones who are in fact the terrorists committing the real crimes.

So you enjoy seeing people die? That means your sadistic, and if they enjoy knowing they are killing people, that means they are sadistic also ;)
You show me anywhere where I said I enjoy seein people die!
What I did say was that I dont feel sorry for terrorists of any nationality and that I wont waste any sympathy on them...Read the posts before making those kind of comments. You have your opinion and thats fine, you dont agree with me and thats fine, but dont start tryin to add things I havent said.

[ArmedPacifist]

The only good terrorist....is a dead terrorist....right?
RIGHT

Hmm.....so you never said you don't like seeing people die eh?

[TALOS]

The only good terrorist....is a dead terrorist....right?
RIGHT

Hmm.....so you never said you don't like seeing people die eh?

Where there does it say or even mean that I ENJOY seeing people die?
what you said was "So you enjoy seeing people die? "

What I said was that I agree that the only good terrorist is a dead one, therefore unable to wreak havoc...cmon...if you cant decipher the difference there is a problem

[ArmedPacifist]

:cantbeli:

[One?]

TALOS you clearly agreed with the statement "The only good terrorist....is a dead terrorist...."

So you prefer all "terrorists" dead, not in a prison. But lets see who would you consider a terrorist? Someone in Iraq fighting an occupation is a terrorist? You would like to see at least 10% of iraqis die? Or someone like al qaeda.

You clearly didn't distinguish what a terrorist is. For all we know you could mean a terrorist is anyone who is not american. (thats sarcasm by the way)?

[TALOS]

TALOS you clearly agreed with the statement "The only good terrorist....is a dead terrorist...."

So you prefer all "terrorists" dead, not in a prison. But lets see who would you consider a terrorist? Someone in Iraq fighting an occupation is a terrorist? You would like to see at least 10% of iraqis die? Or someone like al qaeda.

You clearly didn't distinguish what a terrorist is. For all we know you could mean a terrorist is anyone who is not american. (thats sarcasm by the way)?
Well, it would appear that it depends on where you live and how you are raised as to how you would describe terrorist I guess.
IMHO, someone who I believe to be a terrorist is someone who targets innocent civilians intentionally in order to cause mass hysteria, fear, intimidation or however you wish to say it in order to bring on the failure of peace.
These so called "fighters of the occupation" in Iraq are targeting their own people, who are working to provide services and order in Iraq.
If they are soldiers and restrict their attacks to the military including US troops then they arent necessarily terrorists, IMO they could call themselves "freedom fighters" (although lets face it they dont want freedom for the people they want freedom to rule and brutalize the people as they have so completely proven over the last 40 years in Iraq)
To answer your question about prisons and terro's tho, If they can be arrested without incident and provide info for the intelligence types then great, but I dont waste my sympathy on them if they are killed in action or by blowin themselves up early with their OWN bomb.
People who believe it is alright to kill innocents just because they dont like losing the power to harm and torture are dangerous and IMHO probably wont change very often so we as a society of humans on this planet are better off with out them. ergo, only good terrorist is a dead one. They serve no useful purpose, they have no morals, they have no concience, IMHO!
That does NOT mean that I enjoy seeing people die, it does NOT mean I enjoy seeing countries goin to war, it does NOT mean that I personally want to kill them, It does mean that I believe citizens of all countries have a RIGHT to be free and safe and secure in their own homes but do not have the right to take away other peoples freedoms by blowing up busses, cafes, stores, temples, churches, malls and other various PUBLIC areas.
It DOES mean that it is necessary for the troops and police forces to engage and subdue or eliminate these threats.
It DOES mean that I will not ever defend them or their type ever.
But that is me and you are free to disagree.

[One?]

TALOS:

You know that there are more than 1 group in iraq right? Not all of them are saddam supporters, not all of them kill civilians.

Some only target US soldeirs because they view them as occupiers. Are these terrorists to you?

[TALOS]

TALOS:

You know that there are more than 1 group in iraq right? Not all of them are saddam supporters, not all of them kill civilians.

Some only target US soldeirs because they view them as occupiers. Are these terrorists to you?
Gee One ... where in my post did I say kill all Iraqi's?
You wont find that, I said I have no sympathy for terrorists in any country. Please, we obviously disagree but could you restrict your comments to things I actually said
EDIT: o and your point about them attacking US troops cuz they think they are occupiers, if they ONLY target US troops and military targets they would be considered guerilas(sp) IMHO but obviously would still be fair targets cuz they are attacking, ROE and all that. And if you read my long post you will see I already addressed that.