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Legion
06-07-2005, 01:28 PM
Al-Jazeera, the Qatar-based Arab television network famous for airing images of beheadings and mutilated bodies, rejected a 30-second commercial from People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals showing abuse of Australian sheep.

The sheep, raised for wool, are later shipped alive to the Middle East for slaughter. The footage shows lambs partially skinned alive during a procedure called "mulesing." Sheep are repeatedly kicked as they are loaded onto what PETA calls "death ships." Other sheep are are shown being dragged and kicked in the head as their throats are slit while other sheep watch.

The ad includes a narration of the following quote by the late Imam B.A. Hafiz al-Masri of the Shah Jehan Mosque located in the United Kingdom: "If animals have been subjected to cruelties in their breeding, transport, slaughter, or in their general welfare, meat from them is considered impure and unlawful to eat (haram). The flesh of animals killed by cruel methods (Al-Muthiah) is carrion (Al-Mujathamadh). Even if these animals have been slaughtered in the strictest manner, if cruelties were inflicted on them otherwise, their flesh is still forbidden food (haram)."

According to PETA, "mulesing" is a mutilation in which Australian farmers use gardening shears to cut skin and flesh from lambs' backsides – without painkillers – in a crude attempt to reduce maggot infestation. Millions of Australian sheep are shipped to the Middle East.

"Since Australian sheep are haram on the grounds of cruelty to animals, we call on people in the Middle East to consider whether importing live sheep from Australia is in accordance with Islamic law," says PETA President Ingrid E. Newkirk.

Not even Al-Jazeera will run a PETA ad.

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44606

JoaMei
06-07-2005, 02:31 PM
Not even Al-Jazeera will run a PETA ad.

They would be the last to do it, because they see this "animal rights" Stuff as a sign of western decadence and perversion.
It is tradition that the head of the family kills and slaughters the sheep himself...

Legion
06-07-2005, 04:30 PM
Not even Al-Jazeera will run a PETA ad.

They would be the last to do it, because they see this "animal rights" Stuff as a sign of western decadence and perversion.
It is tradition that the head of the family kills and slaughters the sheep himself...

I guess I have something in common with the Arab folk if you substitute white tail deer for sheep.

hughdotoh
06-08-2005, 05:00 AM
Not even Al-Jazeera will run a PETA ad.

They would be the last to do it, because they see this "animal rights" Stuff as a sign of western decadence and perversion.


I would too. With all the hungry people in Africa and elsewhere, PETA would rather speak for sheep. Tall hypocrisy.

:fork:

BigBaribal
06-08-2005, 05:05 AM
It's just about the hallal thematic.

pathfinder82
06-08-2005, 07:19 AM
[quote]Not even Al-Jazeera will run a PETA ad.

They would be the last to do it, because they see this "animal rights" Stuff as a sign of western decadence and perversion.


I would too. With all the hungry people in Africa and elsewhere, PETA would rather speak for sheep. Tall hypocrisy. [quote]


Actually Peta is an offshoot of another humanitarian rights group.

I see animals as being a lot more noble and worth while than my fellow human beings. Maybe its because I have seen the effects of war on a human body. Maybe its the day in and day out "domestic" calls we go out on, most of which involve a drunk man beating his wife or child. Maybe its the fact that I have seen way to many young men with fatal gun shot wounds that bleed that dark, thick, arterial blood, maybe I have heard too many of their unrecognizable moans as they bleed out from a gun shot wound to the head or face, while I try and question them. The last thing they will see is my face.

Personally I think someone should stick up from the animals, they are alot smarter than we give them credit for, they dont act like humans.

Everything we do as humans is reactionary. We do nothing to benefit the planet or our fellow species on this planet. If we do its because we have already mucked something up and we launch a vain attempt to save it.

Take a bear. The bear plays a huge part in sustaining the local ecosystem it lives in. From keeping prey levels where they should be to spreading seeds of trees and berrys over long distances that they travel. The bear plays a part in this world, a productive part, as do most animals, they have a purpose.

Im not saying that humans dont have a purpose, but as soon as we walked out of the cave it went null and void. If we had a purpose we lost it.

Therefore I am all for protecting animals from the human condition, its really the only thing they have to fear.

The perfect instance is the slaughtering of the buffalo. I am all for killing your food in those times, but killing the largest herd of free roaming animals ever in the time of man is ridiculously stupid. 60 million buffalo slaughtered and no human cared to think what they would hunt after they were all gone. Use up something and go on to the next thing without even knowing if there is a next thing, thats the human condition.

Its hard to get across on this site where most people like or love guns. I have a feeling these people have watched Black Hawk Down too many times and haven't seen or smelled the effects of a gun on flesh. They make a loud noise and put holes in its target so people love them, its mind boggling.

I could never hunt again, it doesnt make sense to me. I remember the day I came to the conclussion guns were no longer "neat", it was a bad day, but it turned out to be a blessing, I am a better human being because of it.

BarkingSquirrel
06-08-2005, 08:00 AM
I always get a kick out of this "well humans have wars and beat their wives" ****. I mean, we all know animals never fight, and all mating rituals involve only soft fluffy touching. Right, right? :roll:

Certain privileges come with being on top of the food chain. Always have, and always will. Why is it all these people supposedly standing up for animals and nature are always wanting to prevent the natural order of things from taking place? Whats the difference between a worker slitting their throats, and a lion ripping out their jugular vein? Whats the difference between being shipped with a wound to be slaughtered slightly later, and surviving an attack by an animal only to to be killed by another one later due to the wound? The difference is, one is the natural order of things and the other is an excuse to to demonize your own species while you go **** a goat in your shed.

Legion
06-08-2005, 08:50 AM
Personally I think someone should stick up from the animals, they are alot smarter than we give them credit for, they dont act like humans.

Yes, let's take lions for example. If a male takes over a pride through battle, he kills any cub sired by another male. They abandon their old, their weak, their infirm to be killed by hyenas or to starve to death. The males kill for sport or jealousy.


I could never hunt again, it doesnt make sense to me. I remember the day I came to the conclussion guns were no longer "neat", it was a bad day, but it turned out to be a blessing, I am a better human being because of it.

Let me ask you this, do you eat meat? Do you wear leather? Do you use any product that has animal byproducts, or is tested on animals? Because if you do, you are a hypocrite. Hunting for food is no more vile than going to the supermarket to buy a pound of hamburger.

usafbalad
06-08-2005, 10:02 AM
Mmm hamburger

Violet Fashion by Mindy
06-08-2005, 10:11 AM
I always get a kick out of this "well humans have wars and beat their wives" ****. I mean, we all know animals never fight, and all mating rituals involve only soft fluffy touching. Right, right? :roll:

Certain privileges come with being on top of the food chain. Always have, and always will. Why is it all these people supposedly standing up for animals and nature are always wanting to prevent the natural order of things from taking place? Whats the difference between a worker slitting their throats, and a lion ripping out their jugular vein? Whats the difference between being shipped with a wound to be slaughtered slightly later, and surviving an attack by an animal only to to be killed by another one later due to the wound? The difference is, one is the natural order of things and the other is an excuse to to demonize your own species while you go **** a goat in your shed.

You do realise that it's been proven scientifically that humans are not in the food chain right?

Mr Gently Benevolent
06-08-2005, 10:44 AM
You do realise that it's been proven scientifically that humans are not in the food chain right?It has! This is new to me as I thought it was only chance, our intellect and physical capabilities that keep most of human kind out of the food chain, some of us in this forum will enter the food chain at some point whether they stray from the beaten track on a Safari or die at sea and become the meal of a shark or crab.

walford
06-08-2005, 11:10 AM
You will note that the Muslim cleric explained that products of animals that were slaughtered cruelly are not to be used. This Halal edict is similar to the restraints imposed upon Kosher (Jewish) butchers.

A few years ago, it came out that cattle were being improperly stunned in parts of the US during the slaughtering process. Thus, some would actually regain consciousness while they were being dismembered. Consequently, my wife and I drastically cut back on our meat consumption and would only eat Halal or Kosher meat products because we knew that the religious stipulations thereof explicitly forbid such cruelty.

Since then, the meat producers -- under pressure from McDonald's amongst other affected corporations -- have reformed the process. I still recommend to minimize [but not eliminate] meat consumption because of the hormones and other additives.

Vivelamorte
06-08-2005, 11:11 AM
Not even Al-Jazeera will run a PETA ad.

They would be the last to do it, because they see this "animal rights" Stuff as a sign of western decadence and perversion.
It is tradition that the head of the family kills and slaughters the sheep himself...

Well, if they want sheep to kill then they should raise them themselves and not import them from Australia. That somehow doesn't feel right.

Mr Gently Benevolent
06-08-2005, 11:18 AM
You will note that the Muslim cleric explained that products of animals that were slaughtered cruelly are not to be used. This Halal edict is similar to the restraints imposed upon Kosher (Jewish) butchers.

A few years ago, it came out that cattle were being improperly stunned in parts of the US during the slaughtering process. Thus, some would actually regain consciousness while they were being dismembered. Consequently, my wife and I drastically cut back on our meat consumption and would only eat Halal or Kosher meat products because we knew that the religious stipulations thereof explicitly forbid such cruelty.

Since then, the meat producers -- under pressure from McDonald's amongst other affected corporations -- have reformed the process. I still recommend to minimize [but not eliminate] meat consumption because of the hormones and other additives.I have seen Halal slaughtering being done and there usually is a lot of bleating and gurgling involved but if its done right the meat usually keeps longer in the fridge than stunned. My mate works in the meat industry and every now and again you get a sheep that comes too all of a sudden when you are cutting it, you get used to this kind of stuff I suppose. :lol:

BarkingSquirrel
06-08-2005, 01:11 PM
I always get a kick out of this "well humans have wars and beat their wives" ****. I mean, we all know animals never fight, and all mating rituals involve only soft fluffy touching. Right, right? :roll:

Certain privileges come with being on top of the food chain. Always have, and always will. Why is it all these people supposedly standing up for animals and nature are always wanting to prevent the natural order of things from taking place? Whats the difference between a worker slitting their throats, and a lion ripping out their jugular vein? Whats the difference between being shipped with a wound to be slaughtered slightly later, and surviving an attack by an animal only to to be killed by another one later due to the wound? The difference is, one is the natural order of things and the other is an excuse to to demonize your own species while you go **** a goat in your shed.

You do realise that it's been proven scientifically that humans are not in the food chain right?Big snakes, sharks, crocodiles and alligators, komodo dragons, all sorts of big cats, etc etc etc. All have been proven to kill and eat humans when opportunity knocks. You do realise it's been proven scientifically that your a complete retard right?

EffJi
06-08-2005, 02:20 PM
If we wouldn't be eating these animals they would long since be extinct.
They rival us for land, so if we don't eat them we would kill them.

It's that simple. Money rules the world.
And something I can't understand is how bleeding to death can be less cruel than being stunned and killed quickly (most of the time)?

Werewolf01
06-08-2005, 02:31 PM
I hunt because I don't care too much for domesticated meat. If you eat animal flesh and you are opposed to hunting, you are nothing but a hippocrite...and a lazy one at that.