Spestnatz in Kosovo!

[4nzix]

I just saw this pic. Metak posted it on another thread.

I always knew that Spetsnatz guys had fought alongside the Serbs, but rarely did I see photos of them.

From Metak:

Ibarski Vukovi, recce unit of an armored brigade which fought in Kosovo&Metohia. Unit consisted of Serbs and Russian volunteers from Specnaz.

http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/377_1118175101_ibarskivukovi.jpg



I just found this on a Russian News website. This was made for the purpose if NATO troops had a ground invasion into Serbia.


3. 56,000 Russian Volunteers Ready to Fight for Serbia

MOSCOW, Apr. 2 - Andrei Manilov, am official of the Liberal Democratic Party, has told IZVESTIA, a Russian daily, that leading Russian financial and industrial groups are sponsoring arrangements for the dispatch of volunteers to Yugoslavia. He said more than 56,000 volunteers across the country had already signed up.

Battalions of volunteers, he said, included many veterans of special-purpose units with fighting experience in Chechnya and Abkhazia. Representatives of the LDP party had been negotiating with the Yugoslav embassy for over a week. Negotiations were also going on between the Yugoslav and Hungarian embassies to make arrangements for the volunteer force to go to Budapest by air, and then on to Yugoslavia by road. Manilov claimed that the transportation of the volunteers would be financed by the Yugoslav government.

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Another interesting article:

Hundreds of Russian volunteers are already in Serbia; thousands are en
route; and several thousand more are prepared to follow them. Not only
former paratroopers and officers, but also generals and commanders of
military districts say they are prepared to defend Serbia. Col. Gen.
Viktor Chechevatov, commander of Russia's largest military district,
recently announced that he is ready to lead the expeditionary corps to
Serbia if necessary. What has produced this elemental howl of rage,
supported both by opposition and pro-Western politicians?

Source: http://www.math.yorku.ca/sfp/newsl/sfp55


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Here is something from BBC:

"We certainly know that Russians participated, Russian volunteers, mercenaries, we believe, did participate with paramilitary and other Serbian special forces," said Pentagon spokesman Kenneth Bacon, when asked to comment Tuesday on a report in the U.S. newspaper Newsday that dozens of Russian volunteers had taken part in the killing of hundreds of ethnic Albanians and the destruction of towns and villages around Prizren in southern Kosovo.

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CNN

http://www.cnn.com/US/9906/23/us.kosovo.01/


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Also some other cool picsI found, Greek soldiers fightinng alongside Serbs as well:
http://www.serbia-hellas.f2g.net/images/serbia-hellas.gif
http://www.klik.gr/klik103/bosnia/bosnia-title.jpg
http://www.klik.gr/klik103/bosnia/v4.jpg
http://www.klik.gr/klik103/bosnia/v3.jpg
http://www.klik.gr/klik103/bosnia/v6.jpg
http://www.klik.gr/klik103/bosnia/v2.jpg
http://www.serbia-hellas.f2g.net/images/greek_volunteers.jpg

[VISTREL]

nice! :D

[Anonymosity]

Why do people keep calling it SpetsNatz? it's Spetsnaz, not Spetsnatz... if Im wrong do tell me...

[4nzix]

Here is a smal pic I just found of a ex-Spetzntz soldier in Kosovo:
http://arhiva.glas-javnosti.co.yu/arhiva/2002/10/11/_slike/soldiers.jpg

[Azide]

So how did they "help" out there?

[)I(EHbKA.]

Why do people keep calling it SpetsNatz? it's Spetsnaz, not Spetsnatz... if Im wrong do tell me...

You are correct

[4nzix]

Well the Spetsnaz guys fought alongside the Serbian Special Forces, as they sweeped Kosovo of terrorists. The Russian guys brought a lot of experience in that kind of fighting.




Not sure about Bosnia. I think there, the Greek and Russian volunteers fought in their own units, under the control of the Serbian Central Command.

[ellion 86R*]

Why do people keep calling it SpetsNatz? it's Spetsnaz, not Spetsnatz... if Im wrong do tell me...

Maybe they try to say: SpetsNUTS?

[Levan]

weel Russians never hided fact that their sitizens fought in Balkans. as mercenaries or if you wish as voluonteers.
Bur results where same as with their instructors in Syria, Egypt etc.

[Luno]

and how on earth do you know that those soldiers are former Spetsnaz??? They could also be from Russian army postal service p-)

[Metak]

and how on earth do you know that those soldiers are former Spetsnaz???
Photo is scanned from a book which describes actions in Kosovo&Metohia. Article about particular unit says that they are from Spetsnaz, that is my source. I didn't say that all soldiers on photo are from Spetsnaz but think that some of them are.

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=50440&start=48



They could also be from Russian army postal service p-)

All volunteers which joined Serbian army had to present documents which prove that they have military experience.

[Krazny Serb]

Unlike, say, the Croatians... p-)

[Inquisitor]

Unlike, say, the Croatians... p-)

welcome! :D :cantbeli:

P.S.

nemoj odmah poceti sa balkanskim sranjima inace ces vjerovatno biti baniran - ne ne govorim ti jer si srbin,nego sto je bilo mnogo takvih slucajeva.

vozdra

[Lokos]

I never saw those Russian gentlemen in my Kosovo travels, unfortunately. They probably 'helped' out the same way that I did: deep recon and penetration (if they were, indeed, recce for an 'armored brigade').

I hope they were kept on a relatively short leash by Command, though. Volunteer/para formations tended to do 'bad things' when unsupervised... Especially if motivated by religion.

One God damned Macedonian volunteer nearly made a mess of it when he started physically abusing some Gorani helping us out with terrorist supply paths. Nearly bothched the whole op.

It makes me angry just thinking about it.

Lokos

[Krazny Serb]

Unlike, say, the Croatians... p-)

welcome! :D :cantbeli:

P.S.

nemoj odmah poceti sa balkanskim sranjima inace ces vjerovatno biti baniran - ne ne govorim ti jer si srbin,nego sto je bilo mnogo takvih slucajeva.

vozdra

Meant for me? Don't mind me - I keep pretty quite. Just having a laugh at the expense of the Croatian 'International Brigade'

[Hrvoje]

Meant for me? Don't mind me - I keep pretty quite. Just having a laugh at the expense of the Croatian 'International Brigade'

Croatia never have "International Brigade" !

[Frank Discussion]

Croatia never have "International Brigade" !

Wasn't the "International Brigade" used to describe all non-Croatian troops, regardless of which unit they were assigned?

[PELASGOS]

I met once 2 Greeks , ex paras, volunteers with Bosnian Serbs . They

confirmed that ex Spetsnaz were there and they were impressed by their

stamina . As they said they could stay 24 hours inside a river waiting for

ambush without hypothermia symptomes.

[Anonymosity]

weel Russians never hided fact that their sitizens fought in Balkans. as mercenaries or if you wish as voluonteers.
Bur results where same as with their instructors in Syria, Egypt etc.

I've been lurking these forums, and why is this guy so anti-Russian? Every thing he sees about Russian Army, Spetsnaz, etc. he starts insulting it. I'm guessing you are Chechen? Ukrainian Nationalist? Georgian?

[Shiftyfive]

I never saw those Russian gentlemen in my Kosovo travels, unfortunately. They probably 'helped' out the same way that I did: deep recon and penetration (if they were, indeed, recce for an 'armored brigade').

I hope they were kept on a relatively short leash by Command, though. Volunteer/para formations tended to do 'bad things' when unsupervised... Especially if motivated by religion.

One God damned Macedonian volunteer nearly made a mess of it when he started physically abusing some Gorani helping us out with terrorist supply paths. Nearly bothched the whole op.

It makes me angry just thinking about it.

Lokos


Oh yeah I remember that - I was there in my spaceship rofl

[Lokos]

Was that stupid-arsed comment supposed to mean something? Or did you just throw it in there because you're a troll?

Lokos

[Shiftyfive]

Was that stupid-arsed comment supposed to mean something? Or did you just throw it in there because you're a troll?

Lokos

um well maybe your a bit thicker then I thought - ur a poser - is that clear enough for you

almost forgot the little lol guy rofl

[Lokos]

And why don't you tell me all about how I'm a poser, childe.

Lokos

[Lokos]

You can't? Gee, I wonder why.

Lokos

[Azide]

Ok so 4nzix is banned for making some stupid comments, why is Shiftyfive still around, the crap that comes out of this troll...

[Shiftyfive]

You can't? Gee, I wonder why.

Lokos


rofl its called sleep


why cant I prove you are a poser? rofl that pretty much says it right there. my guess is your 13 years old, making up stuff to try and impress your "friends" on the internet. but if your not a poser then you have nothing to worry about do you - shifty thinks your a poser, but you know better right.........

azide - dont whine - im not a troll - only those like lokos see me as one cause I dont buy their bs and call em out on it.

[Lokos]

I don't like my service record being cast aspersions against against by pukes like you, you mean?

If so, that's true.

But, you're right, I AM very secure in this regard. However:


why cant I prove you are a poser? ROFL that pretty much says it right there.

It's not the task of the defendant to prove his innocense, ass-h-wipe. As the proverbial plaintiff, that is *your* obligation.

So, when you say 'You're a poser!', unless you're going to be following it up with documented arguments supporting said statement, I'm just going to classify you as a troll and file your silly ass away. Why should I feel the need to respond with anything but 'Prove it.'? If you can't, your claim falls flat right there. I don't have to take the time and make the effort to refute non-existent arguments.

Lokos

[Shiftyfive]

I don't like my service record being cast aspersions against against by pukes like you, you mean?

If so, that's true.

But, you're right, I AM very secure in this regard. However:


why cant I prove you are a poser? ROFL that pretty much says it right there.

It's not the task of the defendant to prove his innocense, ass-h-wipe. As the proverbial plaintiff, that is *your* obligation.

So, when you say 'You're a poser!', unless you're going to be following it up with documented arguments supporting said statement, I'm just going to classify you as a troll and file your silly ass away. Why should I feel the need to respond with anything but 'Prove it.'? If you can't, your claim falls flat right there. I don't have to take the time and make the effort to refute non-existent arguments.

Lokos

hey lokos - prove to me your not a poser - everything you post you sound like some 13 yearold kid - my guess is your parents were refugees to the west - and Im glad they found a better life. but hey maybe im wrong - I doubt it

[Lokos]

LOL. *sigh*

Buddy, I've been in the 'West' since I was but a wee toddler. I *am* a Westerner by upbringing.

My parents moved not as refugees, but as people looking for a better life in a place with less hate. This was before the war in my country.

And don't go bandying about with age accusations. It doesn't fit your style. Trust me.

(Regarding the 'poser' thing, you are extremely mistaken. I'll leave it at that, because I'm hardly willing to a) find my service record b) scan it c) send it to some teenager who doubts me at my word. I'd be an idiot to do anything else.)

Lokos

[Shiftyfive]

LOL. *sigh*

Buddy, I've been in the 'West' since I was but a wee toddler. I *am* a Westerner by upbringing.

My parents moved not as refugees, but as people looking for a better life in a place with less hate. This was before the war in my country.

And don't go bandying about with age accusations. It doesn't fit your style. Trust me.

(Regarding the 'poser' thing, you are extremely mistaken. I'll leave it at that, because I'm hardly willing to a) find my service record b) scan it c) send it to some teenager who doubts me at my word. I'd be an idiot to do anything else.)

Lokos


what ever you say lokos. I was right about your parents moving to the west - even if you dont want to admit they were refugees - dude its okay there is nothing wrong with being a refugee to the west. And I was right in my assumption you were brought up in the west. I highly doubt im wrong on the other accounts. But you cant prove your not a poser and I cant prove with out a doubt you are - so we come to an impass. Just remember I was there in my rocket ship- but the pictures I took were ruined at the one hour mart.

[Lokos]

Shiftyfive:

So every American, when you get right down to it, is a refugee, right? Well, they are, according to your criteria. After all, they moved to the 'West' (and by that you mean the USA) from other countries. Therefore they MUST be refugees. And by those criteria, sure, my parents are 'refugees' too.

You are once again mistaken. I *can* prove I'm not a 'poser'. But I won't be doing that. I don't feel the need to prove anything to anyone here - especially not to a wimpy teenage pancake like yourself.

And that's 'impasse', genius. We haven't reached any such thing. You made a dumbass allegation, you couldn't back it up, you failed. No impasse there. Just you looking like an idiot, again. But that's nothing new.

Lokos

[Ayura]

I love arguments woot woot

[Shiftyfive]

Shiftyfive:

So every American, when you get right down to it, is a refugee, right? Well, they are, according to your criteria. After all, they moved to the 'West' (and by that you mean the USA) from other countries. Therefore they MUST be refugees. And by those criteria, sure, my parents are 'refugees' too.

You are once again mistaken. I *can* prove I'm not a 'poser'. But I won't be doing that. I don't feel the need to prove anything to anyone here - especially not to a wimpy teenage pancake like yourself.

And that's 'impasse', genius. We haven't reached any such thing. You made a dumbass allegation, you couldn't back it up, you failed. No impasse there. Just you looking like an idiot, again. But that's nothing new.

Lokos

you wont cause you cant prove it. and yes many in the US and their ancestors did come as refugees. I know many of mine came thru Ellis Island as refugees- like I said there is nothing wrong with that. I was there in my space ship - but I cant post anything to back it up cause the pictures were ruined at the 1 hour mart, so your just an idiot for doubting me. Oh and I can time travel too.

[rhino]

:cantbeli:
hey, why dont you guys use the PM option??? more pics less yaping, please!!

[Lokos]

No, according to your definition ALL non-native Americans are refugees. Change your definition, and we'll keep playing. Until then... You stay wrong, I stay right.

As for the continuing 'poser' debacle...

I wont because I'm not a moron, and I'm not insecure. If you told me I couldn't jump off a sky scraper, I wouldn't be rushing to prove to you that I could. Why would I go through the effort of proving some dimwit on the internet wrong? If you don't believe me, then don't believe me. It's not as if I value your opinion, your belief or even your very existence, you ridicilous little troll.

Lokos

[Lokos]

rhinofromcanada:

Why? It's not as if this is the only thread sidetracked by the bull**** of various members of this forum.

Not by a longshot.

Lokos

[Shiftyfive]

No, according to your definition ALL non-native Americans are refugees. Change your definition, and we'll keep playing. Until then... You stay wrong, I stay right.

As for the continuing 'poser' debacle...

I wont because I'm not a moron, and I'm not insecure. If you told me I couldn't jump off a sky scraper, I wouldn't be rushing to prove to you that I could. Why would I go through the effort of proving some dimwit on the internet wrong? If you don't believe me, then don't believe me. It's not as if I value your opinion, your belief or even your very existence, you ridicilous little troll.

Lokos


okay lokos like I said were at an impass - you cant prove your not a poser and I cant prove with out doubt your are a poser . But we both know the truth dont we? I assumed your parents moved to the west - I never said they moved to the states. I find it all the more interesting you keep bringing up the states - if your parents moved to the states more power too em, and Im glad they gave you a better life.

oh and Im a ridiculous little troll - but I do like that line

[rhino]

couse I like both of yous and I dont want to see either one banned because of some stupid name calling ;)

[Lokos]

rhinofromcanada:

If it came right down to it, I doubt I'd be the one to get the boot, amigo. :)

Shiftyfive:


I find it all the more interesting you keep bringing up the states

No, you do. Obviously, when you say 'the West' you mean 'the States'.


okay lokos like I said were at an impass

Again; that's 'impasse'. And, again; no, we're not at an impasse. Because by that same token I could say 'the United States of America doesn't exist'. And you couldn't prove it does, if I refused to believe it. Would that be an impasse, too? Or would it be me acting the idiot that you are?

I was hoping you'd like the 'ridiculous' bit. It really describes you to a tee, I think.

Lokos

[Shiftyfive]

rhinofromcanada:

If it came right down to it, I doubt I'd be the one to get the boot, amigo. :)

Shiftyfive:


I find it all the more interesting you keep bringing up the states

No, you do. Obviously, when you say 'the West' you mean 'the States'.


okay lokos like I said were at an impass

Again; that's 'impasse'. And, again; no, we're not at an impasse. Because by that same token I could say 'the United States of America doesn't exist'. And you couldn't prove it does, if I refused to believe it. Would that be an impasse, too? Or would it be me acting the idiot that you are?

I was hoping you'd like the 'ridiculous' bit. It really describes you to a tee, I think.

Lokos

cool - impasse - ah the forgot the e - silly me

I never once said your parents moved to the states or that west means the states - you only assumed it.

Lokos you fought in a war - and I was there in my spaceship. We both cant prove it - but hey it sure sounds cool on here.

Im ridiculous and your a poser - I will take ridiculous any day of the week.

[Lokos]

Ah, but you see, I'm a 'poser' to you, because you don't like me - and that's the worst accusation you can level at my person (that you can think of).

On the other hand, everyone here knows that you're a ridiculous little troll.

Yeah, sure, you stick with the 'ridiculous' thing, and I'll stick with the 'poser'.

Oh no, folks! Shifty thinks I'm a poser! My world comes a'crashin' down!

:roll:

Lokos

[RomanS]

I beleive this topic needs to be locked, stop the offtopic please

[Johnny bazooka]

Ah, but you see, I'm a 'poser' to you, because you don't like me - and that's the worst accusation you can level at my person (that you can think of).

On the other hand, everyone here knows that you're a ridiculous little troll.

Yeah, sure, you stick with the 'ridiculous' thing, and I'll stick with the 'poser'.

Oh no, folks! Shifty thinks I'm a poser! My world comes a'crashin' down!

:roll:

Lokos

oh you're such an aSShole :roll:

[moughoun]

I beleive this topic needs to be locked, stop the offtopic please
God work's in mysterious way..............I agree

[Lokos]

Johnny:

You hurt me deep inside.

:|

Lokos

[Johnny bazooka]

Johnny:

You hurt me deep inside.

:|

Lokos

good

[Lokos]

:petting:

Lokos

[RomanS]

I beleive this topic needs to be locked, stop the offtopic please
God work's in mysterious way..............I agree

go back to offtopic !

[He219]

Another Balkan Thread in Flames. Anybody suprised?