some new pics of DPRK soldiers

[Hawk of prairie]

Are they soldiers? I wonder.
they are neither strong nor well equipped.

http://club.cat898.com/newbbs/UploadFile/2005-3/2005325134429243.jpg

http://club.cat898.com/newbbs/UploadFile/2005-3/2005325134429369.jpg

http://club.cat898.com/newbbs/UploadFile/2005-3/2005325134737337.jpg

http://club.cat898.com/newbbs/UploadFile/2005-3/2005325135323676.jpg

http://club.cat898.com/newbbs/UploadFile/2005-3/2005325134429661.jpg

http://club.cat898.com/newbbs/UploadFile/2005-3/2005325134429140.jpg

http://images.sonicalbum.com/upload_792/publicphotos/4_153383.jpg

http://images.sonicalbum.com/upload_792/publicphotos/4_153384.jpg

http://images.sonicalbum.com/upload_792/publicphotos/4_153385.jpg

http://club.cat898.com/newbbs/UploadFile/2005-3/200532511283851.jpg

http://club.cat898.com/newbbs/UploadFile/2005-3/20053251132222.jpg

[budgie]

One of the problems is that NK routinely goes through famines and food shortages - even if the troops are fed better than the starving masses they're probably not fed well by our standards. The other is lack of money and military ties: NK has aged weaponry and no real buddies to help modernize.

[username]

I hear it's a **** life for most in NK. Poor souls. :(

[SS1983]

Good pics,looks like these pics are taken by Chinese.

[Supe]

Top pics, Hawk.

....those soldiers look far too lean. If reports they are high priority when it comes to getting food aid are true, then one can imagine just how hard it is for everyone else; except the party officials of course. No doubt those parasites are well looked after.

It's astonishing that the regime hasn't crumbled yet.

[Hawk of prairie]

except the party officials of course. No doubt those parasites are well looked after.

EXACTLY! no one doubt that the fattest man is kim jung yu,and here are the second step!

It's astonishing that the regime hasn't crumbled yet.
Don't ignore chinese! But for them,NK people have already garroted their
dear leader!

[Avary]

Don't laugh guys. Remember that these guys won the Korean War.

[USMC-Congbuster]

last time i checked we stopped the North from Re-unifying the peninsula, if youre insinuating that we were pushed back as a loss of the war then you can thank the chinese cuase there the ones who saved NKs ass.

[Yeoman]

Don't laugh guys. Remember that these guys won the Korean War.

could have sworn that's only because of the chinese though.
I must be on crack.
Greg

[M4ko]

sarcasm really doesnt work well on MP.net

[Avary]

No, it was all due to the flawless leadership of the Great Leader Eternal President General Kim Il Sung, the invincible strategist and slayer of US imperialism.


Leading the Fatherland Liberation War to Victory (http://www.kcckp.net/en/periodic/korea/index.php?contents+725+2005-06+39+1)

http://www.kcckp.net/images/periodic/korea/2005/06/1-1.jpg
President Kim Il Sung plans to make a sweeping turn in the war in November Juche 39 (1950)

The northern half of the Republic seething with the building of a new country with the delight of liberation was covered with dark clouds of war on June 25, 1950.

The US imperialists, who had been watching for a chance of aggression from the first day of its occupation of south Korea to eliminate the DPRK in its cradle and make the whole of Korea their colony and a bridgehead of their world supremacy, instigated the Syngman Rhee puppet clique an all-out invasion against the DPRK.

At the time when grim trials befell before the motherland, President Kim Il Sung led the Fatherland Liberation War to victory with peerless courage and grit, and outstanding strategy and tactics.

http://www.kcckp.net/images/periodic/korea/2005/06/2-1-0.jpg
US presidential envoy Dulles finally examines war preparation on the 38th parallel on June 18, 1950

On the morning of the day when the US imperialists provoked the war, he convened a meeting of the Political Committee of the Party Central Committee and then an emergency meeting of the Cabinet. On entering the meeting hall and looking round the participants in the meeting with a beaming face as ever, he emphatically said that the Yankees looked down upon the Korean people and that we should show the mettle of the Koreans to the enemy who ran amuck disregarding Koreans as the saying goes that a wolf should be dealt with a club.

http://www.kcckp.net/images/periodic/korea/2005/06/2-2-0.jpg
The US imperialists launch a surprise attack against the DPRK all along the 38th parallel at dawn on June 25, 1950

His perfectly calm and collected looks with the powerful enemy flooding in at a short distance cleared away impatience and uneasiness from the participants in the meeting and instilled in them the conviction that the war would end in our favour.

http://www.kcckp.net/images/periodic/korea/2005/06/3-2-0.jpg
Combatants take a vow to defend Height 1211 to the last

Saying at the emergency meeting of the Cabinet that we must answer the barbarous aggressive war of the enemy with a righteous liberation war, he put forward the militant tasks of our People’s Army to frustrate the enemy’s aggression and sweep the armed aggressors by launching immediate decisive counteroffensive.

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Valiant soldiers of the Korean People’s Army repulse surprise intrusion of the enemy and switch over to counterattack

At the critical time when the destiny of the country was at stake, the President was appointed Chairman of the DPRK Military Commission and Supreme Commander of the Korean People’s Army in accordance with the unanimous will and desire of the entire Korean people and the KPA soldiers.

The US imperialists threw into the Korean front more than 2 million troops including their huge armed forces, the south Korean puppet troops plus troops of their 15 satellite countries under the signboard of the “UN Forces”.

Besides, they mobilized all the “leading characters” in the capitalist world.

At that time the KPA was a young army, only two years old from the development into a regular armed force.

Nevertheless, the President, shouldering the heavy burdens of the war upon himself, wisely led the KPA to overpower the numerical and military technological superiority of the enemy with our politico-ideological, strategic and tactical superiority.

He firmly armed the army and the people with the Juche idea and invariably held the initiative in the war with unique military tactics and art of command.

He saw to it that the KPA foiled the enemy’s surprise invasion by immediate counterattack, pushed the enemy into a position of passive defensive with continued strike action and audacious annihilation through encircling operations and liberated a vast region of the southern half of the country in a short space of time.

During the period of strategic temporary retreat when a tense situation was created on the front owing to the last-ditch attempts of the US imperialists, he led the army and the people without any slightest vacillation to wage guerrilla struggle in the areas under the enemy’s occupation and conduct powerful counteroffensives, and thus switched over to a decisive counterattack.

http://www.kcckp.net/images/periodic/korea/2005/06/4-1-0.jpg
Commanders of the People’s Army and people’s guerrilla units discuss combat plans

He put forward strategic policies to cope with the continued aggression of the US imperialists. He also advanced diverse methods of warfare such as the activities of the storming, aircraft-hunting, tank-hunting and snipers’ groups. Thus the enemy were put in a dilemma.

During the flames of war, he personally went out to front-line commanding posts to teach mysterious strategies and warmly looked after the soldiers.

He saw to it that front-line musical instruments were made for singing on fighting heights and art festivals of servicemen were held at the Moranbong Underground Theatre, students were summoned to their alma maters from all over the front to resume their study, and unfolded a bright blueprint for the rehabilitation and construction of the victorious motherland on the table of the Supreme Command for mapping out plans of operations, and thus imbued the conviction of victory in the People’s Army soldiers and the people.

The President strengthened the Party, the general staff of revolution, and raised the function and role of the people’s power in conformity with the wartime situation in order to make all the people turn out in the struggle against the aggressors.

On the other hand, he paid deep attention to the wartime production. Braving battle smoke, he visited factories and farm villages and inspired people to increase grain production and send war supplies including weapons and ammunition in time to the front.

The President’s energetic leadership roused the army and the people to the sacred war to defend the country.

Soldiers of the People’s Army displayed the spirit of unrivalled self-sacrifice and mass heroism and all the people showed patriotic devotion, giving wholesale deaths upon the aggressors.

The Fatherland Liberation War ended in brilliant victory thanks to the outstanding leadership of President Kim Il Sung and the heroic struggle of the army and the people united firmly around him.

http://www.kcckp.net/images/periodic/korea/2005/06/4-3-0.jpg
Jubilation over victory in the war

The US imperialists and their satellite forces suffered a disastrous defeat of losing 1,567,000-odd manpower and huge amount of combat equipment and signed their surrender documents on July 27, 1953.

http://www.kcckp.net/images/periodic/korea/2005/06/4-4-0.gif
Wretched appearance of the defeated

By winning the Fatherland Liberation War, the Korean people defended the young Republic and showed the mettle of the Korean people to the US imperialists.
So there you have it. The DPRK won and the US lost. Admit it.

[JoaMei]

They look hungry.... ;)

[Bronson]

The American government sure considers the KPA a dangerous adversary. I wonder why so few on this forum seem to. Less food and worse equipment merely means that the army has to try and compensate through brutal and rigorous training.

Never underestimate your enemy(if you consider the DPRK your enemy, I'd rather hope for peaceful reunification); have no respect for Kim Jong-Il and even less for the cream of the trash that leeches off these poor kids, but don't underestimate how hard these guys would fight on their own home soil.

[slobo]

One of the problems is that NK routinely goes through famines and food shortages - even if the troops are fed better than the starving masses they're probably not fed well by our standards. The other is lack of money and military ties: NK has aged weaponry and no real buddies to help modernize.

There are hordes of them though. That has to be considered in any strategy. And they probably have a few crude bombs to back them up. Kim Jong-il is probably just nuts enough to let one or two off too. Hope that porky little bastard has some adult supervision ready to yank his suspenders (and slit his throat) if he gets too nutty.

[Naga Sadow]

I've really got to say... that if guns had never been invented, and battles were still fought as melees with swords, axes, fists etc. then the South Koreans would totally, utterly, smash the North Koreans with practically zero casualties, going by the looks of those emaciated guys (as compared the the exceptionally hardass SK troops).

NK, is in a really really sorry state. In fact it's probably the worst place on earth to live right now.

[Ruledbyjames]

I saw a report on Channel 4(british channel) on N.Korea v's Japan. They showed clips of rioting fans at a previous game against Iran. The citizens of north Korea looked very gaunt indeed. The players didnt seem that bad but you could see it in the crowd. They were damn skinny.

As a side note apparently the N.Korean team were promised houses and money if they had beaten Japan. It didnt work out so well because Japan won 2-0. I feel sorry for the team returning home because Kim Jong dosent like to loose,especially to the Japanese.

[Kilgor]

I would certainly not underestimate North korea.

Hitlers comment about russia probably applies well here.

" you only have to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will collapse"... well it didnt

Same situation... under fed,out dated, under equipped soldiers living in a stalinist horror. But extremely well movitated and controlled.

[JoaMei]

Russia had unlimited resources of Oil, coal, Steel, precious metal, chemicals, Soldiers and a steady supply with weapons from the lend and lease program.

North Korea has absolutely nothing....

[Kilgor]

Yes and No, they still begged for lend lease materials.

I dont doubt there would be victory over NK, it just depends on if china wants to jump in.

im just saying victory might not be as quick as expected.

[dacanadianbomb]

Avary,

Since you seem to favour NK, in a fair amount of your posts on the topic of NK, I wonder what you are doing, in my homeland.
Why dont you just get up and move and stop soiling my country.

[DPGLAW]

They dont look like soldiers to me, to me they look like future target practice for US troops....lol ;)

[USMC-Congbuster]

no let him stay avary makes me laugh with all his commie propoganda

[Flagg]

In regards to the photos:

If the soldiers in question are an accurate representation of average NK Army soldiers I think they could be more than capable of holding their own physically in a conflict.

In my limited experience, LEANER soldiers can often out perform BIGGER, MORE MUSCULAR soldiers in endurance related activities......they're carrying less non-essential "excess baggage."

Have a look at the body-type of guys competeing in triathlons....slap a NK Army uniform on them and I doubt they'd look much different.

The Ghurkas were/are relatively small in stature, yet that hasn't prevented them from military success.

Unarmed combat where size and strength may be beneficial is not nearly as important as a soldier's ability to endure long-term hardship, in my opinion.

It MAY be inaccurate to attempt to surmize too much from the photos.

[Avary]

Avary,

Since you seem to favour NK, in a fair amount of your posts on the topic of NK, I wonder what you are doing, in my homeland.
Why dont you just get up and move and stop soiling my country.
I do not favor. I show how they see things.

Understanding yourself without understanding your enemy only gives you half a chance of victory.

[Ratamacue]

Avary,

Since you seem to favour NK, in a fair amount of your posts on the topic of NK, I wonder what you are doing, in my homeland.
Why dont you just get up and move and stop soiling my country.

no let him stay avary makes me laugh with all his commie propoganda
Please tell me you guys aren't actually that stupid.

[FallenAngel]

In regards to the photos:

If the soldiers in question are an accurate representation of average NK Army soldiers I think they could be more than capable of holding their own physically in a conflict.

In my limited experience, LEANER soldiers can often out perform BIGGER, MORE MUSCULAR soldiers in endurance related activities......they're carrying less non-essential "excess baggage."

Have a look at the body-type of guys competeing in triathlons....slap a NK Army uniform on them and I doubt they'd look much different.

The Ghurkas were/are relatively small in stature, yet that hasn't prevented them from military success.

Unarmed combat where size and strength may be beneficial is not nearly as important as a soldier's ability to endure long-term hardship, in my opinion.

It MAY be inaccurate to attempt to surmize too much from the photos.

While what you say about skinnier guys generally having longer endurance is true, but not solely because they're smaller. Vitamins, a good healthy diet, balanced work out regime and good medical attention are just as important, if not more so. Just because NK look like triathletes doesnt mean they are.

Besides, what good will it do them when a Maverick takes out their BMP miles from the front lines? p-)

[usafbalad]

Or the new small diameter bomb hits them from a few miles away, lol.

[Vintendo]

Avary's Chinese and apparantly still supports their old commie allie. :lol:

[Former Gold Falcon]

Don't laugh guys. Remember that these guys won the Korean War.

Won the Korean War. Hmm. Rather farfetched statement but lets play with this for a bit.

What exactly did they win?

The right to be subjected to the most authoritative regime since the Dark Ages.

The right to starve due to the ridiculous concepts of the Juche policy.

The right to watch their Southern family prosper while they sinker further and further into the economic abyss.

The right to hang at least two photos of lil’kim and his daddy in every home.

Oh wait, that’s not a right; it’s a requirement!
Apologies my bag!

The right to be members of the cult of personality to lil’kim.

The right to a lack of hope.

If this constitutes a victory; then I'd rather be among the vanquished.

Sides it was a UN war that the Chinese became involved with. So go restudy your history.

Lesson Over.

T.

[Shiftyfive]

Dude he is being sarcastic :roll:

his post reek of sarcasim - why is it so hard for people to pick that up?

[striker]

Avery

Please clarify, is the text you posted actual DPRK propaganda or a parody?
Asking because I'm interested in the effects of real propaganda throughout history, so I'm always looking for real examples. Analyzing propaganda can give a lot of insight, into a regime, their way to control their people etc.
I know that the DPRK's propagandists are so overzealous in their stride to praise their leader that most of their stuff sounds like an absurd comic parody to outsiders, so this could well be genuine.
TIA
striker

[NicNZ]

So, why doesnt the rest of the world trade with North Korea? Remind me, why are we starving the country into collapse?

[Baron Harkonnen]

http://img294.echo.cx/img294/1345/post1311049163572fk.jpg

[Baron Harkonnen]

Not to the topic but :)

http://img294.echo.cx/img294/7973/dprk3200547zx.jpg

[Supe]

In regards to the photos:

If the soldiers in question are an accurate representation of average NK Army soldiers I think they could be more than capable of holding their own physically in a conflict.

In my limited experience, LEANER soldiers can often out perform BIGGER, MORE MUSCULAR soldiers in endurance related activities......they're carrying less non-essential "excess baggage."



Flagg, these guys don't look 'healthy' lean, they look underfed, malnourished lean. I think that is a distinct difference.

[FallenAngel]

So, why doesnt the rest of the world trade with North Korea? Remind me, why are we starving the country into collapse?

Trade for what? NK has nothing to offer the rest of the world. But then again, you'd expect that of a country that dumps about 30% of their GDP into the military*.

*the US by comparison only uses about 3.5% GDP for the military.

[Shiftyfive]

So, why doesnt the rest of the world trade with North Korea? Remind me, why are we starving the country into collapse?

Trade for what? NK has nothing to offer the rest of the world. But then again, you'd expect that of a country that dumps about 30% of their GDP into the military*.

*the US by comparison only uses about 3.5% GDP for the military.


Aid does not equal trade


The west gives them much in the way of Aid - especialy the USA, but we have cut alot off recently due to their nuke program and them trying to blackmale for more aid. North Korea is just one ****ed up situation. Kim Jong is holding his people lives hostage so he can get aid and concentrate more of their resources on developing a bomb, which at the same time he uses to also blackmale for more aid from the west - and aid just doesnt mean food.

[Omz222]

Sometimes people gets too serious about the issue that they can't even pick out sarcasm from the rest... :roll:

Regarding to other comments, unfortunately, cutting off NK from trade (or aid as well) is pretty much one of the few long-term methods that can be used against the North Korean government and its military's warfighting capabilities, despite the innocent lives that might be lost.

[Avary]

Avery

Please clarify, is the text you posted actual DPRK propaganda or a parody?
Asking because I'm interested in the effects of real propaganda throughout history, so I'm always looking for real examples. Analyzing propaganda can give a lot of insight, into a regime, their way to control their people etc.
I know that the DPRK's propagandists are so overzealous in their stride to praise their leader that most of their stuff sounds like an absurd comic parody to outsiders, so this could well be genuine.
TIA
striker
Yes believe it or not it's actual real geniune NK propaganda that I posted, taken from one of their official websites.

[Bluezoo]

http://club.cat898.com/newbbs/UploadFile/2005-3/20053251132222.jpg
Politics aside, this girl is :lol: pretty!

[Kaze]

Not to the topic but :)

http://img294.echo.cx/img294/7973/dprk3200547zx.jpg

Err...wtf does that have to do with anything?

Note: The red text says something like "Healthy and Beautiful Car"

[the dakota kid]

Hello Baron,

that is the Fiat/NK car the Fiparm, or Whistle. Do you have the vid of the car? Let me know if you do not.

TIA
tdk

[striker]

Thx Avery
got any links?
That stuff is interesting. Proofs that brainwashing works. At least their propagandists are so brainwashed by now that they actually believe it themselves. The North Koreans are in for a great culture shock, once the regime lands on histories thrashpile.

[SS1983]

So, why doesnt the rest of the world trade with North Korea? Remind me, why are we starving the country into collapse?

Trade for what? NK has nothing to offer the rest of the world. But then again, you'd expect that of a country that dumps about 30% of their GDP into the military*.

*the US by comparison only uses about 3.5% GDP for the military.


Aid does not equal trade


The west gives them much in the way of Aid - especialy the USA, but we have cut alot off recently due to their nuke program and them trying to blackmale for more aid. North Korea is just one f*** up situation. Kim Jong is holding his people lives hostage so he can get aid and concentrate more of their resources on developing a bomb, which at the same time he uses to also blackmale for more aid from the west - and aid just doesnt mean food.
They just follow what we did during 1950s.

[Drako]

http://club.cat898.com/newbbs/UploadFile/2005-3/20053251132222.jpg

^ I'd hit it ;)

Seriously - even uniforms look like they are too big for them.

[Avary]

Thx Avery
got any links?
That stuff is interesting. Proofs that brainwashing works. At least their propagandists are so brainwashed by now that they actually believe it themselves. The North Koreans are in for a great culture shock, once the regime lands on histories thrashpile.
Start at the Songun Blog : http://songun-blog.blogspot.com

It's got wacky propaganda rethoric and links to the KCNA and Naenara for more propaganda wackyness.

[Baron Harkonnen]

Err...wtf does that have to do with anything?

Note: The red text says something like "Healthy and Beautiful Car"

Jast a rear thing, comercial advertising of a car in DPRK, I wonder who have money to buy them, because the month salery is enought only for a bycicle :roll: