Israel to supply anti-tank missiles to Poland *update*

[UoUo]

Rafael to supply anti-tank missiles to Poland

A Ministry of Defense delegation, headed by ministry director general Amos Yaron, will sign a $250 million contract for anti-tank missiles with Poland.

Under the contract, Rafael will supply the Polish Army with Spike anti-tank missiles of the Gil family. The Spike is a television-guided fourth-generation missile for day and night use, and with a range of 4-6 km. The missile can be shoulder-fired by infantrymen or installed on a vehicle.

Poland may in future export Rafael missiles to third countries.

Rafael has also sold the Spike to Finland and the Netherlands.

Rafael's sales in 2003 are expected to reach a record $900 million.

http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/DocView.asp?did=755779






woot

[IDFM203]

Rafael to supply anti-tank missiles to Poland

A Ministry of Defense delegation, headed by ministry director general Amos Yaron, will sign a $250 million contract for anti-tank missiles with Poland.

Under the contract, Rafael will supply the Polish Army with Spike anti-tank missiles of the Gil family. The Spike is a television-guided fourth-generation missile for day and night use, and with a range of 4-6 km. The missile can be shoulder-fired by infantrymen or installed on a vehicle.

Poland may in future export Rafael missiles to third countries.

Rafael has also sold the Spike to Finland and the Netherlands.

Rafael's sales in 2003 are expected to reach a record $900 million.

http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/DocView.asp?did=755779






woot isnt this old news??

I thought poland already has this for a while


now when is poland going to give Israel the tender to upgrade thier migs ;) thats what I want to know :D

Shalom :D

[EvanL]

Rafael to supply anti-tank missiles to Poland

A Ministry of Defense delegation, headed by ministry director general Amos Yaron, will sign a $250 million contract for anti-tank missiles with Poland.

Under the contract, Rafael will supply the Polish Army with Spike anti-tank missiles of the Gil family. The Spike is a television-guided fourth-generation missile for day and night use, and with a range of 4-6 km. The missile can be shoulder-fired by infantrymen or installed on a vehicle.

Poland may in future export Rafael missiles to third countries.

Rafael has also sold the Spike to Finland and the Netherlands.

Rafael's sales in 2003 are expected to reach a record $900 million.

http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/DocView.asp?did=755779






woot isnt this old news??

I thought poland already has this for a while


now when is poland going to give Israel the tender to upgrade thier migs ;) thats what I want to know :D

Shalom :D
Never. theyre replacing them with american made f15s.

[wholagun]

yeah this is old news. They missiles weren't cheap but they work better in our envrionment then other anti tank missiles ie. Hellfire, Javalin.
We are going to use them in all sorts of ways incluing putting them on attack helicopters and mounting them on our new Humvees.

I don't know anything about Migs.

[Shadow]

Is Polen afraid of a german Tank Invasion? rofl

[IDFM203]

Rafael to supply anti-tank missiles to Poland

A Ministry of Defense delegation, headed by ministry director general Amos Yaron, will sign a $250 million contract for anti-tank missiles with Poland.

Under the contract, Rafael will supply the Polish Army with Spike anti-tank missiles of the Gil family. The Spike is a television-guided fourth-generation missile for day and night use, and with a range of 4-6 km. The missile can be shoulder-fired by infantrymen or installed on a vehicle.

Poland may in future export Rafael missiles to third countries.

Rafael has also sold the Spike to Finland and the Netherlands.

Rafael's sales in 2003 are expected to reach a record $900 million.

http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/DocView.asp?did=755779






woot isnt this old news??

I thought poland already has this for a while


now when is poland going to give Israel the tender to upgrade thier migs ;) thats what I want to know :D

Shalom :D
Never. theyre replacing them with american made f15s.perhpas....though I got this from the poles on this site..........

I guess I should ask the poles.............what are you doing with all your migs and have you heard of any upgrade tenders............I forgot who said it but I did read that from a pole on this site.

Shalom :D

[wholagun]

Never. theyre replacing them with american made f15s.

Um not quite. F 15s are too expensive. We're getting 48 F-16s block 52.

[wholagun]

I never heard of Rafel getting any contract to upgrade our Migs Iv heard of Germany and Russia both upgrading our Migs

Russia upgrade
http://www.google.ca/search?q=cache:th8J4HnXoxEJ:english.pravda.ru/world/2002/09/20/36990_.html+Polish+Mig+upgrade&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

German upgrade
http://www.aeronautics.ru/mig29upgrade3.htm

I don't know whats going on.
Trying to play both sides I guess. Don't want to get invaded again by either side. This way we passify both sides with out pissing either off. :D

[oldsoak]

I was hoping the UK would buy the GIL/SPIKE rather than Javelin - not that Javelin is bad, just that I had heard Gil/Spike was better. I have heard it said that one reason why the UK did not buy it was that it felt that the UK could not be seen to be buying Israeli kit while trying to flog stuff , sorry, having friendly chats with the Arabs. ;) I know we have looked at Israeli kit ( Green Pine, Arrow etc ) - we do seem to do a trade with the Israelis ( I gather we sell them kit that we've sold the Arabs - the Israelis get to know what the enemy has and what it can do that way ). Does anyone know of other clandestine links the UK might have with the Israelis that neither party admits to ?
rgds

[IDFM203]

I was hoping the UK would buy the GIL/SPIKE rather than Javelin - not that Javelin is bad, just that I had heard Gil/Spike was better. yeah the brits tested it out and loved it but their internal politics (I like the way that you describe those politics ;) )and some even say U.S. pressure (from their companies that make the javelin) made their decision to not buy Israel's Gil/Spike

Here are some pics with the brits testing the Gil/spike

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/anti-armor/gill_spike/gill2b.jpg
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/anti-armor/gill_spike/gill5b.jpg
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/anti-armor/gill_spike/gill6b.jpg
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/anti-armor/gill_spike/gill7b.jpg
http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/anti-armor/gill_spike/gill4b.jpg


....and just a few israeli ones (of course ;) )

http://www.isayeret.com/units/land/infantry/para/para-3.jpg
http://www.isayeret.com/weapons/rockets/gil/1.jpg
http://www.isayeret.com/weapons/rockets/gil/gil-9.jpg

Shalom :D

[IDFM203]

I came across this in the Jerusalem post (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1091167451312&p=1078027574121) and I figured I’d update this old thread here with new info :D


Largest ever Israeli-Polish arms tender underway


The largest-ever Israeli-Polish arms deal is currently underway between the two countries, a senior Polish defense official said.
The deal, whereby Poland will purchase about 1,300 anti-tank 'Spike' missiles from Raphael as part of the Polish Army's ongoing modernizations of its forces, costs several hundred million dollars, said the Polish Undersecretary of State in the Defense Ministry, Janusz Zemke in an interview.
"We have launched production of the agreement whereby Raphael will produce what we consider to be the most modern antitank missiles in the world," Zemke said.
The first 24 missiles will be produced in Poland this year, he added, in what is slated to be a nine-year project.
With a 95 percent accuracy level, the laser-guided missile, replete with a camera in its war-head, can operate in all weather conditions and can destroy "any target," Zemke added.
"It can pierce any available armor in the world," he said.
The arms deal between Israel and Poland is the largest deal reached between the two countries since the establishment of relations over a decade ago, and comes in the wake of ever-increasing defense ties, including the sharing of a variety of intelligence information in the realm of counter-terrorism.


Since I am updating already I might as well update and respond to a post here and copy a paragraph I did in another thread a while back.



I was hoping the UK would buy the GIL/SPIKE rather than Javelin - not that Javelin is bad, just that I had heard Gil/Spike was better. Well you heard right :D and like my post after you said, indeed the Brits also thought so but due to their own politics, well you know......

Anyways here is a bit more on the Brit evaluations that I posted a while back........................


“Yes the Israeli made spike is indeed a bit better then the Javelin.

On performance wise it does outperform the Javelin though it isn’t sold as well due to geopolitical considerations which we wont get into here.

From what I have read from a Brit evaluation of both systems.........

Actually The Brits believed the Israeli Spike was slightly better because of the additional remote "fly by video" feature that can be used to "command guide" the spike, (In command guidance mode, the Spike actually sends what it sees back to the soldier over a set of fiber optic wires that trail behind the missile as it flies. The soldier uses the images to "fly" the missile, sending steering commands back through the same fiber optic wire…thus if at the last moment the operator realizes that it’s a friendly vehicle or there are innocents there or whatever, he can steer it away) This is a slight advantage over the javelin for the operator can abort the missile after launch. This is a safety feature to helps prevent some friendly fire incidents.”


Shalom :D

[Hydro]

Apparently the same political "considerations" that were applied to the SPIKE system during British trials were also applied to the Negev LMG during our LMG competition (Para Minimi won!!! Why?! At least they could've also got the full length Minimi...).

[gilgoul]

So sweet :D

The success of the GIL, if not handicaped by some regretable geo political considerations would be even greater.
This system seems to outclass any ATGM xisting, and provoked the cancelation of then TRIGAT european ATGM project. (the french were pretty pissed about that, so went to modernize the Milan, wich is not a bad ATGM, but starts to be a little dated)
In any way, this is a pleasant thing to see. woot

[UoUo]

Sun Dec 28, 2003

[IDFM203]

Sun Dec 28, 2003hmm :roll:

The article I posted was in Fridays Jpost and well it seems like a new deal and that is why I updated this thread.

Now if it’s the same deal (from your date), well I will consider it when you can show how it is. Till then this seems like a new deal that just happened

Shalom :D

[Brzeczyszczykiewicz]

Nah, it's still the same deal ;)

But with ATGMs supplied by this contract we can equip only ca. 1/3 of our armed forces, so maybe after year or two new deal will be signed ...

[Pille1234]

So sweet :D

The success of the GIL, if not handicaped by some regretable geo political considerations would be even greater.
This system seems to outclass any ATGM xisting, and provoked the cancelation of then TRIGAT european ATGM project. (the french were pretty pissed about that, so went to modernize the Milan, wich is not a bad ATGM, but starts to be a little dated)
Not quite true. There's still a Trigat Longrange in development and planned for the new tiger helicopters.
http://www.bundeswehr.de/pic/forces/040112_300_pk_pars_rakete.gif

[IDFM203]

Nah, it's still the same deal ;)

You both might be right, however again, this was just published in the Jpost and well as such it leads me to believe that it’s another new deal.

don’t forget that the Jpost did publish the last time the deal was struck, so that further shows how this seems like to be a another new deal.


Now like I told UoUo and I tell you as well, can you show me how its the same deal?? for I will certainly accept that it is if only shown as such, but till then it seems like its a another new deal.


Shalom :D

[UoUo]

Sun Dec 28, 2003hmm :roll:

The article I posted was in Fridays Jpost and well it seems like a new deal and that is why I updated this thread.

Now if it’s the same deal (from your date), well I will consider it when you can show how it is. Till then this seems like a new deal that just happened

Shalom :D\

Oh soory i didn't notice your post... :oops: :hug:

[IDFM203]

Sun Dec 28, 2003hmm :roll:

The article I posted was in Fridays Jpost and well it seems like a new deal and that is why I updated this thread.

Now if it’s the same deal (from your date), well I will consider it when you can show how it is. Till then this seems like a new deal that just happened

Shalom :D\

Oh soory i didn't notice your post... :oops: :hug:"ein baya" :hug:




You know you can help out, since you are the author of this thread, you can change the title of the thread and well add the words update or update Aug. 1 or something like that.

Just a thought ;)



Shalom :D

[gilgoul]

So sweet :D

The success of the GIL, if not handicaped by some regretable geo political considerations would be even greater.
This system seems to outclass any ATGM xisting, and provoked the cancelation of then TRIGAT european ATGM project. (the french were pretty pissed about that, so went to modernize the Milan, wich is not a bad ATGM, but starts to be a little dated)
Not quite true. There's still a Trigat Longrange in development and planned for the new tiger helicopters.
http://www.bundeswehr.de/pic/forces/040112_300_pk_pars_rakete.gif

OUPS, my bad then, :D , even if there`s still a problem with an infantry/mounted ATGM.
I heard that France sought to upgrade the Milan , and had a TRIGAN project, but i don`t know where those stands.
With what is equiped the armee de Terre today?
Still Milan, RAC, Lrac89 ?
Is the Eryx in widespread service?
I was of the LRAC89 and Milan generation, but those already needed improvement by my time (93/94)

[Sayeret]

I was hoping the UK would buy the GIL/SPIKE rather than Javelin - not that Javelin is bad, just that I had heard Gil/Spike was better.

How is the Gil/Spike better than the Javelin?

[Marsh]

Hi Sayeret,

1. Man in the loop, fibre-optic feed option.
2. Better training simulator, both hardware and software.
3. Lightweight bipod

Cheers
Marsh