Pace of US casualties in Iraq quickens: report

[farmgirl]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=1521&e=3&u=/afp/20031228/pl_afp/iraq_us_casualties_031228213459

WASHINGTON (AFP) - The number of US troops killed and wounded in Iraq (news - web sites) has more than doubled over the past four months compared with the four months preceding them, it was reported, citing US Defense Department figures.

From September 1 through Friday December 26, 145 service members were killed in action in Iraq, compared with 65 from May 1 to August 30, The Washington Post reported.

Increases were equally dramatic in those wounded in action, the Pentagon (news - web sites) told the Post.

Experts said the attacks reflect better planning by the insurgency in Iraq.

"The rate of casualties over the last four months is an indication that the insurgents are getting better organized," said retired Lieutenant Colonel Andrew Krepinevich, director of the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, a Washington think tank.

"The insurgents have been encouraged by the fact that they have had some success," he told the newspaper.

Since September 1, 1,209 soldiers received battlefield injuries, more than twice the 574 wounded in action between May 1 through August 30.

Both four-month intervals covering US counterinsurgency operations in Iraq have been far costlier in US casualties than major combat operations, which President George W. Bush (news - web sites) declared over on May 1.

The numbers of deaths and woundings have continued unabated since the capture of former Iraqi president Saddam Hussein (news - web sites) on December 13, military officials told the daily, which reported as of Friday that 12 service members were killed in action and 105 were wounded since Saddam's capture.

Meanwhile, military officials said Sunday that two US soldiers and two Iraqi children were killed in attacks in Baghdad and near the restive town of Fallujah on Sunday.

[Skaman]

This is expected. Iraqis will grow accustomed to Coalition procedure and exploit the weakness and routine they find. Guerilla attacks will not destroy the effort as a whole, yet it will dampen public support and mentality concerning the conflict. This will be the Chechnya of the Middle East in the months to come. I foresaw this on the first day of operations in Iraq. Peace and prosperity on blood soaked hands is futile, Iraq is a useless cause. This is terrible.

[Deuterium]

This is expected. Iraqis will grow accustomed to Coalition procedure and exploit the weakness and routine they find. Guerilla attacks will not destroy the effort as a whole, yet it will dampen public support and mentality concerning the conflict. This will be the Chechnya of the Middle East in the months to come. I foresaw this on the first day of operations in Iraq. Peace and prosperity on blood soaked hands is futile, Iraq is a useless cause. This is terrible.

Specious reasoning, as usual I'm afraid. The majority of Iraqis support the coalition and the ruling authority WILL be turned over to Iraqis in the near future just as it has for the Bosnian and Kosovo situation. This is in stark contrast to the realities of Chechnya and the middle-east (I assume you mean Israel/Palestine).

[Skaman]

The majority of Iraqis support the coalition and the ruling authority WILL be turned over to Iraqis

No, the majority does not. Isolated pockets do, isolated pockets do not. I imagine the Americans being apprehensive with the instatement of a Iraqi centralized body politic as the US hopes to embody a western ideal no? This is comparable to the tribunal and case concerning Saddam's fate: On Iraqi hands he will be executed, on American jurisdiction he will be imprisoned and processed for years.

The government policies and cultural norms are in stark contrast to the ‘democratic’ ideal. One cannot westernize a nation over night.

Gorbachev made the same mistake in his rash removal of Communism with Glass Nost and perestroika. The transition was not fluid, and in-turn damaged the state immensely.

[Deuterium]

The majority of Iraqis support the coalition and the ruling authority WILL be turned over to Iraqis

No, the majority does not. Isolated pockets do, isolated pockets do not. I imagine the Americans being apprehensive with the instatement of a Iraqi centralized body politic as the US hopes to embody a western ideal no? This is comparable to the tribunal and case concerning Saddam's fate: On Iraqi hands he will be executed, on American jurisdiction he will be imprisoned and processed for years.

The government policies and cultural norms are in stark contrast to the ‘democratic’ ideal. One cannot westernize a nation over night.

Gorbachev made the same mistake in his rash removal of Communism with Glass Nost and perestroika. The transition was not fluid, and in-turn damaged the state immensely.

Its getting tiresome telling you you're wrong. You can wish it all you like but the majority of Iraqis do support the coalition. You can wish girls would talk to you but we all know the sad truth. As with all things this COULD change. If Iraqis don't continue to see and improving situation, if we don't make concrete steps in turning over power, if the effort to eliminate hostile party's does not continue, THEN we will see a shift.

[budanski]

Forgettah 'bout it, Deuterium. Douchebag will claim we're unwanted there one minute, but once our troops leave for iraqis to run their own, the U.S. will undoubtly be accused of neglecting them and leaving prematurely.

Its the same ole, same ole:
Bush=idiot / Bush=guilty of pulling the wool over everyone's eyes
US supplied WMD to Iraq / Hey US, where's the WMD?

[Skaman]

Forgettah 'bout it, Deuterium. Douchebag will claim we're unwanted there one minute, but once our troops leave for them to run their own, the U.S. will undoubtly be accused of neglecting them and leaving prematurely.

Nope, the US better damb well stay and clean up this mess.

[papasmerf]

This is expected. Iraqis will grow accustomed to Coalition procedure and exploit the weakness and routine they find. Guerilla attacks will not destroy the effort as a whole, yet it will dampen public support and mentality concerning the conflict. This will be the Chechnya of the Middle East in the months to come. I foresaw this on the first day of operations in Iraq. Peace and prosperity on blood soaked hands is futile, Iraq is a useless cause. This is terrible.

Can you foresee when you'll finally shut the hell up?

[budanski]

Nope, the US better damb well stay and clean up this mess.

Canadians should be outraged on how you've wasted precious taxpayers money on your education.

[Maverick77]

I dont even understand the point of Canadian public schools staying open ive been in 4 Canadian schools now all 3 levels.

jesus christ what a ****in joke.

[budanski]

Hey Douchebag. As for the clean up, don't worry about it, we've got that taken care of. Don't you remember this row (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20031212/COGEE12/TPNational/Columnists) or this (http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N15381850.htm)?

bitter?

[Maverick77]

Hey Douchebag. As for the clean up, don't worry about it, we've got that taken care of. Don't you remember this row (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20031212/COGEE12/TPNational/Columnists) or this (http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N15381850.htm)?

bitter?

who are you talkin to

[budanski]

If you answer to Douchebag...

[ChuckThunder]

Hey Douchebag. As for the clean up, don't worry about it, we've got that taken care of. Don't you remember this row (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20031212/COGEE12/TPNational/Columnists) or this (http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N15381850.htm)?

bitter?

who are you talkin to

Hes talking to ducimus.

[Maverick77]

I just dont get how a serious comment about how ****ty the Canadian education system is gets a reply about Iraqi reconstruction contracts.

if you are talking to me

[Skaman]

Hey Douchebag. As for the clean up, don't worry about it, we've got that taken care of. Don't you remember this row (http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20031212/COGEE12/TPNational/Columnists) or this (http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N15381850.htm)?

bitter?

who are you talkin to

Hes talking to ducimus.

hes talking to me? I thought he was just just talking?

[budanski]

I just dont get how a serious comment about how ****ty the Canadian education system is gets a reply about Iraqi reconstruction contracts.

if you are talking to me

I was pointing out his mastery of spelling seeing that he's quick to point out about his mad technical writing skills.

[usa320]

No, the majority does not

When did you get back from Iraq ****mus?

I think Deut knows a bit more about Iraq that that copy of National Geographic or Liberal Loonies Weekly will tell you.

[ShotOver]

Same **** every day, Douchbag continues to stick to his point. Even though a veteren of the Iraqi conflict has told him otherwise, also budanski pointing out points...

****in, this guy is just plain ole` Stupid and Ignorant... just like the rest of those Anti-war freaks.

[Seiyuuki]

This is expected. Iraqis will grow accustomed to Coalition procedure and exploit the weakness and routine they find. Guerilla attacks will not destroy the effort as a whole, yet it will dampen public support and mentality concerning the conflict. This will be the Chechnya of the Middle East in the months to come. I foresaw this on the first day of operations in Iraq. Peace and prosperity on blood soaked hands is futile, Iraq is a useless cause. This is terrible.

So, peace and prosperity would not be blood soaked and futile with Saddam and his sons still retaining power.


Nope, the US better damb well stay and clean up this mess.

It is spell, "damn," not "damb."

So thing get hotter than usual in one particular area of the country and the perception suddenly change into "Iraq as a whole is in the ****ter..."

[budanski]

No matter how you present it or where the source came from, Douchebag will always overlook it and resort back to his trusty Michael Moore Bible.

For others, if you like to see what iraqis really think...

Iraq at a glance (http://iraqataglance.blogspot.com/)
THE MESOPOTAMIAN (http://messopotamian.blogspot.com/)
Healing Iraq (http://www.healingiraq.com/)
Baghdad Burning (http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/)
Salam Pax (http://dear_raed.blogspot.com/)
G in Baghdad (http://geeinbaghdad.blogspot.com/)
Iraq and Iraqis (http://iraq-iraqis.blogspot.com/)
A Family in Baghdad (http://afamilyinbaghdad.blogspot.com/)
A Road of a Nation (http://roadofanation.blogspot.com/)
Baghdadee (http://baghdadee.blogspot.com/)
Fayrouz (http://fayrouz.blogspot.com/)
Iraq the Model (http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/)

[ShotOver]

Damn i have Moore... :bash:

Big fat ugly lying son of a bitch.

Douchbags lover, i guess..

[jizzmonkey]

This is expected. Iraqis will grow accustomed to Coalition procedure and exploit the weakness and routine they find. Guerilla attacks will not destroy the effort as a whole, yet it will dampen public support and mentality concerning the conflict. This will be the Chechnya of the Middle East in the months to come. I foresaw this on the first day of operations in Iraq. Peace and prosperity on blood soaked hands is futile, Iraq is a useless cause. This is terrible.

A useless cause was that your teachers ever tuaght you how to read and write, what the f@#$K do you know about useless?, are you there getting your hands dirty?

Your just another Jack-ass with an education......what a waste.

[Skaman]

No matter how you present it or where the source came from, Douchebag will always overlook it and resort back to his trusty Michael Moore Bible.

For others, if you like to see what iraqis really think...

Iraq at a glance (http://iraqataglance.blogspot.com/)
THE MESOPOTAMIAN (http://messopotamian.blogspot.com/)
Healing Iraq (http://www.healingiraq.com/)
Baghdad Burning (http://riverbendblog.blogspot.com/)
Salam Pax (http://dear_raed.blogspot.com/)
G in Baghdad (http://geeinbaghdad.blogspot.com/)
Iraq and Iraqis (http://iraq-iraqis.blogspot.com/)
A Family in Baghdad (http://afamilyinbaghdad.blogspot.com/)
A Road of a Nation (http://roadofanation.blogspot.com/)
Baghdadee (http://baghdadee.blogspot.com/)
Fayrouz (http://fayrouz.blogspot.com/)
Iraq the Model (http://iraqthemodel.blogspot.com/)

You do realize I could post 10 articles concerning Iraqi suffering and discontent and your argument would look no more viable. :roll:

[XASA]

Ducimus, what makes an inexperienced, sophomoric 19-year old college kid in the Canadian reserves an expert on war, politics, economics and American culture, and those with more experience and education wrong?

To those who continue to argue with an inexperienced, sophomoric 19-year old college kid in the Canadian reserves: Why bother? ;)

Ducimus, you are entitled to your opinions and your right to post them here on militaryhotos.net, but after months of writing the same anti-American stuff even you must be getting tired of some of the garbage you spread all over this site. That's not to say you don't occasionally post something worthwhile; but, for the most part, you seem to take great pleasure, along with a few others, to be disruptive and non-informative. I can only hope you might be more selective in future posts, but I'm sure you'll continue on your one-man disinformation campaign. Keep in mind, though, you're more a pest than a propagandist, which means we'll continue to sigh with disbelief and a bit of distaste at what you write.

[Skaman]

Ducimus, what makes an inexperienced(what is to say I am inexperienced?), sophomoric 19-year old college kid in the Canadian reserves an expert on war, politics, economics and American culture, and those with more experience and education wrong? ( No one is wrong, just uninformed, additionally, I never said I was an EXPERT)

To those who continue to argue with an inexperienced, sophomoric 19-year old college kid in the Canadian reserves: Why bother? ;)(is there an issue with conflicting ideas?)
Ducimus, you are entitled to your opinions and your right to post them here on militaryhotos.net, but after months of writing the same anti-American stuff even you must be getting tired of some of the garbage you spread all over this site. That's not to say you don't occasionally post something worthwhile; but, for the most part, you seem to take great pleasure, along with a few others, to be disruptive and non-informative. I can only hope you might be more selective in future posts, but I'm sure you'll continue on your one-man disinformation campaign. Keep in mind, though, you're more a pest than a propagandist, which means we'll continue to sigh with disbelief and a bit of distaste at what you write.

I am not an individual who is going to side with the masses because I am outnumbered. I understand this site is pro-right, and I am fine with that. As long as people post their opinion, I am going to keep posting mine. Do you see me addressing the entire forum community as I dwell on their pro right stance? As they post the same right wing 'garbage' day after day? Think about it.

[Seiyuuki]

Ducimus, what makes an inexperienced, sophomoric 19-year old college kid in the Canadian reserves an expert on war, politics, economics and American culture, and those with more experience and education wrong?

That's all he is?


:roll:


So ducimus19 is just "uninformed" then.

[budanski]

I am not an individual who is going to side with the masses because I am outnumbered. I understand this site is pro-right, and I am fine with that. As long as people post their opinion, I am going to keep posting mine. Do you see me addressing the entire forum community as I dwell on their pro right stance? As they post the same right wing 'garbage' day after day? Think about it.

Yeah, Michael Jackson thinks its OK to sleep with kids. Thats his opinion and he won't be siding with the masses because he is outnumbered.

[usa320]

Rate of Terrorist casualties quickens:Report

:-*$

[Skaman]

THE MASSES ON THIS WEBSITE ARE IN STRONG CONTRAST COMPARED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. WE ARE AS INSOLATED COMMUNITY.

[NcDeuce]

http://ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/whocares2.jpg

[ShotOver]

Huh, *rubs his eyes* what's going on? Oh, it's just Douchebag19 running his stupid ****in mouth again...

Give it a rest mate, we don't really care what you to say, you are only 19... Your opinion is not valid, so piss off and do whatever it is that you left wing retards do during the week, when there isn’t a rally or peace protest on. Read another Michael Moore book or something... that seems to lower your intelligence every time you pick one of his books up.

[Argyll]

Before ranting about Decimus' age think about the majority of the other posters in these forums are not much older,some are way younger,so you think their perspective is any better?
Despite his ramblings amongst them he has some valid points,but all you kids out there who think war is so cool and how you just can't wait to go and kick Terrorist ass are all for a nasty shock,I wonder how you'll feel when you have to scrape up human remains with a shovel?
Or wonder if that bloody pulp where a head used to be really is your friend or not.......!

USA 320 what is the rate of death of the TERRORIST?not the insurgents but terrorists as it seems you brand them all with the same tag.......which just shows your ignorance in the whole situation........How many Foreign AQ types have been killed or captured in Iraq since March?
There is so much hearsay that unless you get cast iron proof then it remains hearsay

There are some members of this forum who need to look and think outside the "bubble" to get a broader perspective on real life,and especially with what's going on in Iraq and Afghanistan!

[Skaman]

Before ranting about Decimus' age think about the majority of the other posters in these forums are not much older,some are way younger,so you think their perspective is any better?
Despite his ramblings amongst them he has some valid points,but all you kids out there who think war is so cool and how you just can't wait to go and kick Terrorist ass are all for a nasty shock,I wonder how you'll feel when you have to scrape up human remains with a shovel?
Or wonder if that bloody pulp where a head used to be really is your friend or not.......!

USA 320 what is the rate of death of the TERRORIST?not the insurgents but terrorists as it seems you brand them all with the same tag.......which just shows your ignorance in the whole situation........How many Foreign AQ types have been killed or captured in Iraq since March?
There is so much hearsay that unless you get cast iron proof then it remains hearsay

There are some members of this forum who need to look and think outside the "bubble" to get a broader perspective on real life,and especially with what's going on in Iraq and Afghanistan!

Well said. Simple as that.

[WARPIG]

Ducimus, what makes an inexperienced(what is to say I am inexperienced?){every single word you utter or type says so}, sophomoric 19-year old college kid in the Canadian reserves an expert on war, politics, economics and American culture, and those with more experience and education wrong? ( No one is wrong, just uninformed, additionally, I never said I was an EXPERT){good of you to admit how uninformed of a novice you are}To those who continue to argue with an inexperienced, sophomoric 19-year old college kid in the Canadian reserves: Why bother? ;)(is there an issue with conflicting ideas?)
Ducimus, you are entitled to your opinions and your right to post them here on militaryhotos.net, but after months of writing the same anti-American stuff even you must be getting tired of some of the garbage you spread all over this site. That's not to say you don't occasionally post something worthwhile; but, for the most part, you seem to take great pleasure, along with a few others, to be disruptive and non-informative. I can only hope you might be more selective in future posts, but I'm sure you'll continue on your one-man disinformation campaign. Keep in mind, though, you're more a pest than a propagandist, which means we'll continue to sigh with disbelief and a bit of distaste at what you write.

I am not an individual who is going to side with the masses because I am outnumbered. I understand this site is pro-right, and I am fine with that. As long as people post their opinion, I am going to keep posting mine. Do you see me addressing the entire forum community as I dwell on their pro right stance? YES As they post the same right wing 'garbage' day after day? Think about it.
You cannot side with any mass because your ignorance is beyond reproach. Funny how you still have not addressed comments from those who have been there and seen the truth; but instead, side step, to criticise other conflicting opinions to your own. If "the masses" all say it is raining.. do you oppose it? Most people would still look outside to see for themselves but you seem to just disagree without getting off your ass to see for yourself. If you did, you would be faced with the horrible burden of saying that someone else was right.
You have surpassed my original accusation of ignorance and instead have moved on to complete stupidity dicamus19. Your college must be proud.

[Trigger]

THE MASSES ON THIS WEBSITE ARE IN STRONG CONTRAST COMPARED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. WE ARE AS INSOLATED COMMUNITY.
Please post some kind of legitimate evidence to back up this rather questionable claim. :|

[Skaman]

To Warpig:

Who on this forum was In IRAQ during the coalition movement that started in what, March? Additionally, who has been there since then that can comment on the situation accurately? In case you did not know, and I see you don’t, there are people who have served over-seas that do not share your simplistic and arrogant view concerning foreign policy. It’s fairly simple, and I see you cannot grasp the idea that this website is inhabited by pro-right audience, thus putting my perspective in direct conflict to your own. I am not sure if you feel insecure, but your rampant attempts to degrade forum members with 'ignorant' outbursts only make you look that much less credible. I urge you to move beyond this forum community, and talk with other citizens and populations so you can gather a broader perspective than this microcosm of isolated ideals. Travel abroad; sit down and talk to foreign troops, and you will see where I am coming from. The stories and horrors I have heard while in my service from around the world really put ones life into perspective. When someone’s face contorts in agony and his eyes swell as he tells you about the day his friend was blown in half by an RPG in Northern Ireland, or the day a man witnessed an French soldier shoot a car full of hiding children by accident, you think about these 'skirmishes' a little different. These are people affected by war, this is not a picture or an article on you computer screen, these are peoples lives. I hate war. War is glamorized and this heroic mentality and pro right, rah-rah, lets flaunt our military and save the world mentality end up costing people a lot of lives. I am happy the coalition is in Iraq, I am not happy they lied and entered the region for their own reasons. Rawanda, Ivory Coast, Cambodia etc. The humanitarian crisis was unimaginable here, and a massive force like the USA does nothing, WHY? You need to think of the people that are affected by this American bravado. Too many people on this forum are infatuated with war and I urge you to take Argyll's words into serious consideration.

[Skaman]

THE MASSES ON THIS WEBSITE ARE IN STRONG CONTRAST COMPARED TO THE GENERAL PUBLIC. WE ARE AS INSOLATED COMMUNITY.
Please post some kind of legitimate evidence to back up this rather questionable claim. :|

You are asking the impossible. I don’t have a consensus that directly compares opinion of War in Iraq across the entire globe; in comparison to Militaryphotos.net forum. Most members are here because they support the military, are interested in it, and support their nations no? They believe in military action and the leadership of their federal governments. I am a rare case, I do not. Our members are an isolated and individual minority, and realistically, the ideal of foreign policy among many members is not shared all across the globe. I cannot prove this legitimately, yet I hope many of you DO see this for yourselves.

[George W. Bush]

You have no life, don't you? Please please please stop

[Argyll]

There are 2 people who have graced us with their Presence and have offered a rare insight to the murky world of Warfare,and whom I know have served in Iraq,that is Deuteruim a bona fide Snake Eater,and a pearl of wisdom at that too,he has a calming manner in dealing with the over excited kids on this forum,yet could shoot the bollocks of a gnat at 100m,in the dark!He has often spoke about the good he has seen in Iraq,and I pay attention when he writes,he is as skillfull in the debates as what he is on the battlefield......a true warrior in every sense,many youngsters can learn from this man!
The other is JMooch,another OIF veteran,again offering a small taste of what he did and seen during his tour of duty there,one thing these 2 men never did and probably never will ,is to glorify war,just to satisy mans lust for barbarity,depravity and morbid curiosity of what war is really like.
There are probably one or 2 others who have been to Iraq and others who are going,and will see how real the whole theatre is when they get there,but there are hundreds who post here who will never get near the place,but are quick to offer their views,much the same as what the media does,it offers their views,you can choose to ignore it,or you can choose to read into it,and it is upto the individual to make up his mind.!
Me well I'm in contact daily with ex Regimental buddies who are in Baghdad right at this very moment in time,and I shall be meeting with some more on the 3rd of Jan ,and I ask them things,sometimes it sounds good ,and others it sounds bad,but they are there ,and we who post here are not,we get spoonfed info from time to time,because we crave for stuff to praise,we crave for the hearing of the killing of some insurgents,but when we get told things are not so good,there are those here who go on the defensive,and will just simply not accept anything other than success all the time.......guys it's just not like that at all,there are as much failures as success',but it's not nice to read but they are there,and if you think outside the bubble,you'll realise that!
For those of us who have never been to Iraq,we post and assume,we listen to what's available ,and hopefully we draw our own conclusions,some agree about the war,some don't,that does not make them wrong,most people here seem to respect others beliefs,whilst silently calling them assholes,others think and feel powerfull that they can berate those who they call ignorant,at the end of the day,there are men and women from many Nations trying to make Iraq a better place,not just Military but many civilians too,lets take a moment here to think about the good they are there to do,and it will take time to do so!

[DE_Six]

Good post Argyll.

I second that.

[Deuterium]

To Warpig:

Who on this forum was In IRAQ during the coalition movement that started in what, March? Additionally, who has been there since then that can comment on the situation accurately? In case you did not know, and I see you don’t, there are people who have served over-seas that do not share your simplistic and arrogant view concerning foreign policy. It’s fairly simple, and I see you cannot grasp the idea that this website is inhabited by pro-right audience, thus putting my perspective in direct conflict to your own. I am not sure if you feel insecure, but your rampant attempts to degrade forum members with 'ignorant' outbursts only make you look that much less credible. I urge you to move beyond this forum community, and talk with other citizens and populations so you can gather a broader perspective than this microcosm of isolated ideals. Travel abroad; sit down and talk to foreign troops, and you will see where I am coming from. The stories and horrors I have heard while in my service from around the world really put ones life into perspective. When someone’s face contorts in agony and his eyes swell as he tells you about the day his friend was blown in half by an RPG in Northern Ireland, or the day a man witnessed an French soldier shoot a car full of hiding children by accident, you think about these 'skirmishes' a little different. These are people affected by war, this is not a picture or an article on you computer screen, these are peoples lives. I hate war. War is glamorized and this heroic mentality and pro right, rah-rah, lets flaunt our military and save the world mentality end up costing people a lot of lives. I am happy the coalition is in Iraq, I am not happy they lied and entered the region for their own reasons. Rawanda, Ivory Coast, Cambodia etc. The humanitarian crisis was unimaginable here, and a massive force like the USA does nothing, WHY? You need to think of the people that are affected by this American bravado. Too many people on this forum are infatuated with war and I urge you to take Argyll's words into serious consideration.

I was. I am. I will be. I've also done NUMEROUS humanitarian ops that don't make the press. As usual Ducimus, you are misinformed, arrogantly ignorant, and immature in your specious reasoning..... So there.

[Vance]

Rawanda, Ivory Coast, Cambodia etc. The humanitarian crisis was unimaginable here, and a massive force like the USA does nothing, WHY?
Are you too stupid to do your own research?

We were fresh off of Somalia when the Rwanda (NOT Rawanda) genocide took place. Of course little old Bill was too busy getting head and worrying too much about taking American casualties then to get off his ass and do something. I'm glad we have a President man enough to make a stand. And just FYI, it was Bush Sr. who initially started Operation Restore Hope in Somalia (Remember, to feed all of the starving people?) and was horribly ended by Clinton.

[EvanL]

Rawanda, Ivory Coast, Cambodia etc. The humanitarian crisis was unimaginable here, and a massive force like the USA does nothing, WHY?
Are you too stupid to do your own research?

We were fresh off of Somalia when the Rwanda (NOT Rawanda) genocide took place. Of course little old Bill was too busy getting head and worrying too much about taking American casualties then to get off his ass and do something. I'm glad we have a President man enough to make a stand. And just FYI, it was Bush Sr. who initially started Operation Restore Hope in Somalia (Remember, to feed all of the starving people?) and was horribly ended by Clinton.
Well i guess he will have to catch up with what Clinton never managed to do. Africa is only getting worse.

[Vance]

Why don't the Canadians do something, then...why does everyone always ask the USA?

[EvanL]

Why don't the Canadians do something, then...why does everyone always ask the USA?
I wasnt suggesting we do. you were talking about how much good the americans had done, and i was just showing how the problem in Africa isnt solved. And you ask why does the USA have to do everything? They dont. But dont act like you cant do anything about it. Everyone can.

[Seiyuuki]

Who on this forum was In (In should be "in," lowercase) IRAQ ("Iraq" is the name of a country, not an acronym, only the first letter should be capitalize) during the coalition movement that started in what, March? Additionally, who has been there since then that can comment on the situation accurately?

Well, certainly not many...INCLUDING YOU!!!. Lets not forget your attempt to insightfully comments on the situation "Iraq...useless cause...blah blah blah." Do not lecture others until you learn from your own lesson.


In case you did not know, and (there no longer a need for a comma before the "and" in this sentence, in accoradance to the revision made to the MLA format) I see you don’t (Always write it out "do not" and "I see that you do not," not "I see you don't"), there are people who have served over-seas that do not share your simplistic and arrogant view (views) concerning foreign policy (policies).

In case you did not know and I see that you do not, there are people who have served over-seas that do not share your simplistic and arrogant views concerning foreign policies...It goes both way. Also, in case you did not know and I see that you do not, there are Americans who have served over-seas and civilians alike that do not share the simplistic and arrogant preachings of what the domestic and foreign policies of the United States of American should be from a Canadian whom have yet to earn their respect and vice versa.


It’s (Do make an effort writing it out "It is") fairly simple, and I see you cannot grasp the idea that this website is inhabited by pro-right audience (audiences), thus putting my perspective in direct conflict to your own.

It is not our problem that you can not make friends with the "left" on the forum and I assure you, not all on this forum are "pro-right."


I am not sure if you feel insecure, but your rampant attempts to degrade forum members with 'ignorant' ("ignorant" not 'ignorant') outbursts only make you look that much less credible.

So, any opinions in opposition to your ideology qualify as "ignorant" outbursts. Please do forgive them, their attempts are only meant to degrade you, not other forum members.


I urge you to move beyond this forum community, and talk with other citizens and populations so you can gather a broader perspective than this microcosm of isolated ideals. Travel abroad; (,) sit down and talk to foreign troops, and you will see where I am coming from.

Ever heard, "Assumption makes an ass-out-of-you-and-me?" Yes, I am sure everybody here live in rhythm to the beat of forum and they do not socialize with other citizens and the population in general. I guess, not everyone is as fortunate as you to be bless with "a broader perspective than this microcosm of isolated ideals." Americans are very poor, they can not afford to travel abroad, what with having no national healthcare and so forth.

Do not forget, one beneficial aspect of this forum is that some the members here were or are "foreign troops" and we do "sit down and talk to them," per say.


The stories and horrors I have heard while in my service from around the world really put ones life into perspective. When someone’s face contorts in agony and his eyes swell as he tells you about the day his friend was blown in half by an RPG in Northern Ireland, or the day a man witnessed an ("a French soldier," not "an French soldier") French soldier shoot a car full of hiding children by accident, you think about these 'skirmishes' ("skirmishes") a little different. These are people affected by war, this is not a picture or an article on you computer screen, these are peoples lives. I hate war. War is glamorized and this heroic mentality and pro right (be consistent in your usage of hyphen, earlier, it was "pro-right," but now, it is "pro right," make up your mind), rah-rah, lets flaunt our military and save the world mentality end up costing people a lot of lives.

We can trade stories. Would you like to hear the one from my father about the lost of many of his friends during his 6 years stay in the so-called North Vietnamese "re-education" camp after the fall of Saigon? Perhaps a better story would be from a close friend of the family about the time the Khmer Rouge came into his village, rape his mother and force him to watch? You are not the only one to realize the true horror of war through having brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, grandparents, etc. share their nightmares.

No sane human being would ever say, "I LOVE WAR!!!" your mentality is not exclusive and your superiority in embracing that path is not also exclusive. "Pro-right?" You prove yourself highly capable of ignorance for having differentiate this as a partisan issue.


I am happy the coalition is in Iraq, I am not happy they lied and entered the region for their own reasons. Rawanda, Ivory Coast, Cambodia etc. The humanitarian crisis (crises) was unimaginable here, and a massive force like the USA does nothing, WHY? (It is "why," not "WHY," unless "WHY" is an acronym for something) You need to think of the people that are affected by this American bravado. Too many people on this forum are infatuated with war and I urge you to take Argyll's words into serious consideration.

Happy the coalition are attempting to stabilize, according to you, a "useless cause?" Cambodia is a nice country, I have family there, my family travel to there once in a while, your ever been there? Now, we get to the root of your short dissertation, "American bravado," hardly a need for me to explain that line of reasoning. So, the fact that some on this forum does not agree with your anti-war stance and adamantly defend their support for the neccessities to go into Iraq make them "infatuated with war?" Also, we hardly need your urging to take the words of a respected member of the forum in consideration.

[Zach R.]

My cousin was in Iraq earlier this year. I'm not sure what unit but the base is somewhere here in Kansas. Ft. Larson I think? Anyway, one of his buddies got shot while trying to carry a wounded child off the street and fell to the ground. My cousin ran out into the middle of the street, grabbed his friend and the child, and carried them both to cover. He was shot in the leg while running down the street in broad daylight. He's already recieved the Purple Heart and is nominated for the Bronze Star. I also have several distant relatives who were in both A-stan and Iraq. They all have different stories to tell, but they all brag about how many Iraqi's invited them to eat dinner in their little two bedroom hut. The Iraqi's are on our side, and if you don't see that, God help you.

[Skaman]

I am ignorant, you are ignorant, and we are all ignorant. :roll: I won’t make excuses for anyone on here anymore, and I don’t need the same curiosity. You don’t like what I have to say, fine. I can deal with that, hold your ground, and interpret global politics as you wish. I will continue on in my service, travel abroad, learn, and listen, you can preach to me with immature rhetoric all the while. I deeply feel sorry for you.

[Seiyuuki]

I am ignorant, you are ignorant, and we are all ignorant. :roll: I won’t make excuses for anyone on here anymore, and I don’t need the same curiosity. You don’t like what I have to say, fine. I can deal with that, hold your ground, and interpret global politics as you wish. I will continue on in my service, travel abroad, learn, and listen, you can preach to me with immature rhetoric all the while. I deeply feel sorry for you.

rofl rofl rofl



We are grateful for your pity because we do not share the same political view as you do. I do appreciate you try to make excuses for our existence and our differing point of views. I guess not all of us can be the superior and godly 19-year-old university student in the Canadian's reserve.

If I may speak for everyone, not many will miss you in this "microcosm of isolated ideals."

[WARPIG]

Reply for dicamus19.

Funny how you should assume that I haven't traveled abroad nor experienced any influence away from the computer. Just for your benefit I would be happy to tell you a little of my limited backround.

I am a 3rd generation Army NCO. My grandfather, and father served and led as do I. Of course this makes me quite "pro-military." My childhood is filled with travels to many places and contact with every walk of life. I played sports in Hitler Stadium and had my graduation in Hitler's favorite Opera House. I have been in a barfight with British and Aussie troops in Berchestgarden (sp), US MPs, and Nazi SS decendents. I wrestled with Turkish, Russian, and Germans. Played soccer with Brits, Germans, Mexicans, Hondurans, Jamaicans, and Koreans. All this before I turned 18.
I enlisted at that age. My military carreer spans 13 years. This forum does not have time for that history. I will tell you I am qualified as a paratrooper, infantry rifleman, mortarman, tanker, and militarypolice. I recently have taken a basic noncommissioned officer course and had the chance to train with several OIF vets.. to include some SF and Psy Op personnel. Great conversations at the gym! My last two military assignments dealt with anti-terrorism and counter-terrorism. I also work in logistics for a globally known military contractor. Not just the US military either.
I am a single father with 3 kids and active in my church. I chose that church because of it's international mission activity.

....Ok.. that should suffice. Well having posted a sliver of my experiences; I think maybe I am pretty well educated about the goings on in the world. I appreciate your concern for my "limited" exposure to global events. I highly doubt that you are in any position to give any advice on broadening anyone's horizons.
Political differences are not new to me. I have good friends and aquaintances that have very different views than I do. I learn quite a lot from them as they do from me. Your views are not really what are in question in this forum. It is your arrogance and yes.. IGNORANCE.. (look that word up) about what you base your opinion on. How you deliver your message and who you are sending that message to is also your most common insult. You freely admit the general consensus of this forum yet continue to show up here and insult us with your rhetoric.
One of us really should move on. Maybe the rest of this forum can help you decide who that is.

[Deuterium]

"If not a liberal at 20, you have no heart. If not a conservative at 40, you have no mind." - Winston Churchill

There is hope for Ducimus...... We only have to endure 21 more years of his clueless BS.

[El'Potato]

Does that make you guys heartless?

[Saranof]

Does that make you guys heartless?


I think it kinda does :)

Honestly, as soon as the poor guy posts anything everyone is like "woot srfu n00b ignorant ****!!!"

Can't you have one discussion without assulting him?

[WARPIG]

We can.. and have. Limited but yes it happens. On those rare occasions that dicamus doesn't try to force-feed opinion, pump his ego, or assume knowledge.. I get a kick out of his liberal views. I honestly like the idea of someone questioning the way we work. Trying to act as if he has some sort of expertise, intuition or experience is annoying to begin with.. add his rhetoric and immature attitude and poof!! .. you have the perfect target for a highly pro American forum. I have gone into his delivery of his opinion several times on this forum... no use. Great for discussion though. I have to admit... dicamus can start a conversation. Just by sheer, youthful, bullheadedness he keeps some pretty lively conversations going. By the way... ignorant is the best description of his posts. By ignoring refuted comments, side stepping credible arguments, and choosing to narrow facts to only those that support his view... he is acting ignorantly. Look it up.
He is a noob.. as far as military or world events go.. and I never tell him to shut the F... up. I do ask him to come up with better stuff or to atleast admit to a lost arguement once and a while. But, true to the ignorant, biased, noob label he has earned.. he never does.

[WARPIG]

Does that make you guys heartless?
Thanks for the compliment. I wish I was 20 again. Although I am not close to 40 yet I think I have to say my views are largely conservative. Maybe even NeoCon as many like to say.

[California Joe]

I did it with a Swedish exchange student once.

Carrion.

Waiting for the inevitable "what's his name" comment :roll:

[Deuterium]

Does that make you guys heartless?

Not me 40 is only a few months away....

[Skaman]

I am sorry; I suppose my status as a reservist infantrymen ensures I have no place among the likes of all these 'special forces' on this website, thus making me unfit to comment. What have I done with my life, oh ...what a waste? :roll:

[Red]

I am sorry; I suppose my status as a reservist infantrymen ensures I have no place among the likes of all these 'special forces' on this website, thus making me unfit to comment. What have I done with my life, oh ...what a waste? :roll:
hello ducky

[Deuterium]

I am sorry; I suppose my status as a reservist infantrymen ensures I have no place among the likes of all these 'special forces' on this website, thus making me unfit to comment. What have I done with my life, oh ...what a waste? :roll:

Funny your comments on military items or opinions such as, what type of weapon is best for patrolling in Canadian winters, I would contend, would garner you respect and approval. It’s your socio-political comments that reward you with the lambasting you so much deserve, IMHO.

[Seiyuuki]

To Warpig:

Who on this forum was In IRAQ during the coalition movement that started in what, March? Additionally, who has been there since then that can comment on the situation accurately? In case you did not know, and I see you don’t, there are people who have served over-seas that do not share your simplistic and arrogant view concerning foreign policy. It’s fairly simple, and I see you cannot grasp the idea that this website is inhabited by pro-right audience, thus putting my perspective in direct conflict to your own. I am not sure if you feel insecure, but your rampant attempts to degrade forum members with 'ignorant' outbursts only make you look that much less credible. I urge you to move beyond this forum community, and talk with other citizens and populations so you can gather a broader perspective than this microcosm of isolated ideals. Travel abroad; sit down and talk to foreign troops, and you will see where I am coming from. The stories and horrors I have heard while in my service from around the world really put ones life into perspective. When someone’s face contorts in agony and his eyes swell as he tells you about the day his friend was blown in half by an RPG in Northern Ireland, or the day a man witnessed an French soldier shoot a car full of hiding children by accident, you think about these 'skirmishes' a little different. These are people affected by war, this is not a picture or an article on you computer screen, these are peoples lives. I hate war. War is glamorized and this heroic mentality and pro right, rah-rah, lets flaunt our military and save the world mentality end up costing people a lot of lives. I am happy the coalition is in Iraq, I am not happy they lied and entered the region for their own reasons. Rawanda, Ivory Coast, Cambodia etc. The humanitarian crisis was unimaginable here, and a massive force like the USA does nothing, WHY? You need to think of the people that are affected by this American bravado. Too many people on this forum are infatuated with war and I urge you to take Argyll's words into serious consideration.

The rebuttal...


Reply for dicamus19.

Funny how you should assume that I haven't traveled abroad nor experienced any influence away from the computer. Just for your benefit I would be happy to tell you a little of my limited backround.

I am a 3rd generation Army NCO. My grandfather, and father served and led as do I. Of course this makes me quite "pro-military." My childhood is filled with travels to many places and contact with every walk of life. I played sports in Hitler Stadium and had my graduation in Hitler's favorite Opera House. I have been in a barfight with British and Aussie troops in Berchestgarden (sp), US MPs, and Nazi SS decendents. I wrestled with Turkish, Russian, and Germans. Played soccer with Brits, Germans, Mexicans, Hondurans, Jamaicans, and Koreans. All this before I turned 18.
I enlisted at that age. My military carreer spans 13 years. This forum does not have time for that history. I will tell you I am qualified as a paratrooper, infantry rifleman, mortarman, tanker, and militarypolice. I recently have taken a basic noncommissioned officer course and had the chance to train with several OIF vets.. to include some SF and Psy Op personnel. Great conversations at the gym! My last two military assignments dealt with anti-terrorism and counter-terrorism. I also work in logistics for a globally known military contractor. Not just the US military either.
I am a single father with 3 kids and active in my church. I chose that church because of it's international mission activity.

....Ok.. that should suffice. Well having posted a sliver of my experiences; I think maybe I am pretty well educated about the goings on in the world. I appreciate your concern for my "limited" exposure to global events. I highly doubt that you are in any position to give any advice on broadening anyone's horizons.
Political differences are not new to me. I have good friends and aquaintances that have very different views than I do. I learn quite a lot from them as they do from me. Your views are not really what are in question in this forum. It is your arrogance and yes.. IGNORANCE.. (look that word up) about what you base your opinion on. How you deliver your message and who you are sending that message to is also your most common insult. You freely admit the general consensus of this forum yet continue to show up here and insult us with your rhetoric.
One of us really should move on. Maybe the rest of this forum can help you decide who that is.


We can.. and have. Limited but yes it happens. On those rare occasions that dicamus doesn't try to force-feed opinion, pump his ego, or assume knowledge.. I get a kick out of his liberal views. I honestly like the idea of someone questioning the way we work. Trying to act as if he has some sort of expertise, intuition or experience is annoying to begin with.. add his rhetoric and immature attitude and poof!! .. you have the perfect target for a highly pro American forum. I have gone into his delivery of his opinion several times on this forum... no use. Great for discussion though. I have to admit... dicamus can start a conversation. Just by sheer, youthful, bullheadedness he keeps some pretty lively conversations going. By the way... ignorant is the best description of his posts. By ignoring refuted comments, side stepping credible arguments, and choosing to narrow facts to only those that support his view... he is acting ignorantly. Look it up.
He is a noob.. as far as military or world events go.. and I never tell him to shut the F... up. I do ask him to come up with better stuff or to atleast admit to a lost arguement once and a while. But, true to the ignorant, biased, noob label he has earned.. he never does.

...And, according to WARPIG, IGNORANCE


I am sorry; (comma!!!)I suppose my status as a reservist infantrymen (infantryman, you are only one man, not many men) ensures I have no place among the likes of all these 'special forces' ("special forces") on this website, thus making me unfit to comment. What have I done with my life, oh ...what a waste? :roll:

(If this information is otherwise inaccurate, disregard)

Why do you have to keep reminding all of us...that you are a university student...you are smart...and you are a reservist infantryman...blah...blah...blah? You are in the same class as an ROTC student in college, yeah...you are real special. :bash:

[Skaman]

I am sorry; I suppose my status as a reservist infantrymen ensures I have no place among the likes of all these 'special forces' on this website, thus making me unfit to comment. What have I done with my life, oh ...what a waste? :roll:

Funny your comments on military items or opinions such as, what type of weapon is best for patrolling in Canadian winters, I would contend, would garner you respect and approval. It’s your socio-political comments that reward you with the lambasting you so much deserve, IMHO.


thats all it is, your OPPINION

[Deuterium]

I am sorry; I suppose my status as a reservist infantrymen ensures I have no place among the likes of all these 'special forces' on this website, thus making me unfit to comment. What have I done with my life, oh ...what a waste? :roll:

Funny your comments on military items or opinions such as, what type of weapon is best for patrolling in Canadian winters, I would contend, would garner you respect and approval. It’s your socio-political comments that reward you with the lambasting you so much deserve, IMHO.


thats all it is, your OPPINION


True, very true....

Yeah but I'd respect your opinion on Infantry topics that a Canadian Infantryman would know about. Your political opinions on the USA and foreign affairs I call into question.

[Red]

I am sorry; I suppose my status as a reservist infantrymen ensures I have no place among the likes of all these 'special forces' on this website, thus making me unfit to comment. What have I done with my life, oh ...what a waste? :roll:

Funny your comments on military items or opinions such as, what type of weapon is best for patrolling in Canadian winters, I would contend, would garner you respect and approval. It’s your socio-political comments that reward you with the lambasting you so much deserve, IMHO.


thats all it is, your OPPINION


True, very true....

Yeah but I'd respect your opinion on Infantry topics that a Canadian Infantryman would know about. Your political opinions on the USA and foreign affairs I call into question.
deut did you get my PM?

[Skaman]

I am sorry; I suppose my status as a reservist infantrymen ensures I have no place among the likes of all these 'special forces' on this website, thus making me unfit to comment. What have I done with my life, oh ...what a waste? :roll:

Funny your comments on military items or opinions such as, what type of weapon is best for patrolling in Canadian winters, I would contend, would garner you respect and approval. It’s your socio-political comments that reward you with the lambasting you so much deserve, IMHO.


thats all it is, your OPPINION


True, very true....

Yeah but I'd respect your opinion on Infantry topics that a Canadian Infantryman would know about. Your political opinions on the USA and foreign affairs I call into question.

Ask me a question regarding Canadian infantry procedure, tactics, equipment etc, and I would be happy to answer.

[Red]

I am sorry; I suppose my status as a reservist infantrymen ensures I have no place among the likes of all these 'special forces' on this website, thus making me unfit to comment. What have I done with my life, oh ...what a waste? :roll:

Funny your comments on military items or opinions such as, what type of weapon is best for patrolling in Canadian winters, I would contend, would garner you respect and approval. It’s your socio-political comments that reward you with the lambasting you so much deserve, IMHO.


thats all it is, your OPPINION


True, very true....

Yeah but I'd respect your opinion on Infantry topics that a Canadian Infantryman would know about. Your political opinions on the USA and foreign affairs I call into question.

Ask me a question regarding Canadian infantry procedure, tactics, equipment etc, and I would be happy to answer.
what is the primary squad support weapon in the canadian Army?

[Skaman]

I am sorry; I suppose my status as a reservist infantrymen ensures I have no place among the likes of all these 'special forces' on this website, thus making me unfit to comment. What have I done with my life, oh ...what a waste? :roll:

Funny your comments on military items or opinions such as, what type of weapon is best for patrolling in Canadian winters, I would contend, would garner you respect and approval. It’s your socio-political comments that reward you with the lambasting you so much deserve, IMHO.


thats all it is, your OPPINION


True, very true....

Yeah but I'd respect your opinion on Infantry topics that a Canadian Infantryman would know about. Your political opinions on the USA and foreign affairs I call into question.

Ask me a question regarding Canadian infantry procedure, tactics, equipment etc, and I would be happy to answer.
what is the primary squad support weapon in the canadian Army?


c9, I believe it is the SAW in the US army. The c9 is often equipped with an Elcan scope, which I see as useless as it is an area weapon, but hey, I don’t make the rules. The next step up is the c6, similar to the British gpmg which fires a 7.62 belt unlike the c9 which is 5.56 in a box..

http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/English/Images/2_0/37.jpg

http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/English/2_0_39_1.asp?uSubSection=39&uSection=2

[Red]

I am sorry; I suppose my status as a reservist infantrymen ensures I have no place among the likes of all these 'special forces' on this website, thus making me unfit to comment. What have I done with my life, oh ...what a waste? :roll:

Funny your comments on military items or opinions such as, what type of weapon is best for patrolling in Canadian winters, I would contend, would garner you respect and approval. It’s your socio-political comments that reward you with the lambasting you so much deserve, IMHO.


thats all it is, your OPPINION
the GPMG is a really good gun,i love that gun

True, very true....

Yeah but I'd respect your opinion on Infantry topics that a Canadian Infantryman would know about. Your political opinions on the USA and foreign affairs I call into question.

Ask me a question regarding Canadian infantry procedure, tactics, equipment etc, and I would be happy to answer.
what is the primary squad support weapon in the canadian Army?


c9, I believe it is the SAW in the US army. The c9 is often equipped with an Elcan scope, which I see as useless as it is an area weapon, but hey, I don’t make the rules. The next step up is the c6, similar to the British gpmg which fires a 7.62 belt unlike the c9 which is 5.56 in a box..

http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/English/Images/2_0/37.jpg

http://www.army.dnd.ca/lf/English/2_0_39_1.asp?uSubSection=39&uSection=2

[Jack Mehoff]

rofl This is from the same guy who made this statement. Let's just hope he doesn't watch your back in a fire fight. I didn't know Canadian armed forces now accepting hippy and conscientious objector type.


This should be interesting...I want to see the general mentality. Many are difficult questions, answer honestly, and state where you are from.


1.Would you kill a man that broke into your home?

2.Would you steal if you knew you wouldent be caught?

3.Would you avoid a draft?

4.Do you have a automatic weapon in you home?

5.Do you follow relegious guidelines of any form?

6.Do you belive in *** before marriage?

7. Shoot to kill or shoot to wound?

8. Follow orders or follow your gut?

9. Shoot a woman that would shoot you?

10.Shoot a child that would shoot you?

11.Good guys finish last?

12.Is power right?

13.Freedom, or restrictions?

14.Physical or passive revolt?

15.Are you in the military?


I find it intersting how nearly everyone claims to be able to kill a woman and child with a weapon, yet none have even served in the military. Killing someone is not easy, and killing a child is very traumatizing. I have not personally killed anyone thank god, yet I have seen people die, and people shot to death. Ask yourself, could you REALLY do it.... I dont know If I could...and Im trained to kill in my profession. But a child.......no



I guess. I just cant imagine. What is this world coming too, when you have to shoot kids to survive. So sad....

[Skaman]

I would do my job, pure and simple; it’s what I was trained to do. I don’t hold an easy grasp of death as it really bothers me, let alone have to take someone’s life. If it’s my life, or my buddy in a shell scrape next to me, I will fight for every last breath in my body. All I am saying is, the world has turned for the worst, where protecting ones nation involves shooting kids holdings ak's. What a ****ed up world we live in.

[Jack Mehoff]

I would do my job, pure and simple; it’s what I was trained to do. I don’t hold an easy grasp of death as it really bothers me, let alone have to take someone’s life. If it’s my life, or my buddy in a shell scrape next to me, I will fight for every last breath in my body. All I am saying is, the world has turned for the worst, where protecting ones nation involves shooting kids holdings ak's. What a f*** up world we live in.


10.Shoot a child that would shoot you?

What is ****ed up is when you don't do your job and that cost your battle buddies' lives and your. Quite frankly, i don't care if that kid shoot a stupid conscientious objector hippy but don't freaking drag anyone else with you. :bash: Just dont lose your day job doucebag19 because military isn't for you

[Skaman]

I would do my job, pure and simple; it’s what I was trained to do. I don’t hold an easy grasp of death as it really bothers me, let alone have to take someone’s life. If it’s my life, or my buddy in a shell scrape next to me, I will fight for every last breath in my body. All I am saying is, the world has turned for the worst, where protecting ones nation involves shooting kids holdings ak's. What a f*** up world we live in.


10.Shoot a child that would shoot you?

What is f*** up is when you don't do your job and that cost your battle buddies' lives and your. Quite frankly, i don't care if that kid shoot a stupid conscientious objector hippy but don't freaking drag anyone else with you. :bash: Just dont lose your day job doucebag19 because military isn't for you

WHAT IS GOOD FOR ME?

I don’t need backtalk from some drop-out artillery nymphomaniac jerk-off. Its simple, I am serving, you are not. I was willing to be civil with you Jack, but you are pushing my buttons. Wipe the fermenting semen from your keyboard and watch what you type. Asshole.

[Vance]

Is that an e-threat? :|

[Jack Mehoff]

I don’t need backtalk from some drop-out artillery nymphomaniac jerk-off. Its simple, I am serving, you are not. I was willing to be civil with you Jack, but you are pushing my buttons. Wipe the fermenting *** from your keyboard and watch what you type. Asshole.

That's a lot of talk for a 19 year old Canadian reservist rofl

So tell me, what places you set your combat boots on beside up in your ass?

[Skaman]

I don’t need backtalk from some drop-out artillery nymphomaniac jerk-off. Its simple, I am serving, you are not. I was willing to be civil with you Jack, but you are pushing my buttons. Wipe the fermenting *** from your keyboard and watch what you type. Asshole.

That's a lot of talk for a 19 year old Canadian reservist rofl

So tell me, what places you set your combat boots on beside up in your ass?

Well, that hardly makes sense, yet I will do my best to decipher your trailer trash jargon. Here it goes: I am 19, served nearly two years, I have not committed to any foreign commitments as of yet as I am deep into my studies. I HAVE NOT SEEN COMBAT, do you understand? I have committed to many military exercises across the nation during my service. My most respectable commitments being operation Peregrine and Operation Prototype response; additionally, my mountain ops qualification is noteworthy. I am contemplating a service in Bosnia on one of the last ROTO's as I take a year off from school. I hope you understand this; I made it pretty clear as even a retard missing a couple chromosomes could understand this. Keep fueling the fire jack.

[usa320]

THats it, thats bull****.

Any military man would know despite differences you still act with respect and dignity.

Ducimus19 i sure as hell hope that your behavior does not reflect the overall mentality and record of the Canadian Armed forces, and i know for a fact it does not.

If you are in the army, i think it would definately behouve you to find another job, and another forum to hang out at. Your socio-political rubbish is moderably tolerable, but blatant and grotesque insults are mere crotch shots that wont be tolerated.

Deut has more experience in the military than anyone here, and for you to insult and disrespect him makes you look like a total ignoramus. That man has seen more places and covered more miles than you ever will, because with an attitude like yours you will never get anywhere in the Canadian armed forces, or any armed force for that matter, with the exception of one that is ruled by corruption and shady activities.

I know hood dont like to drop the hammer, but i think its time That he send Ducimus19 on the same road that Morty and that other guy were sent on.

Ducimus19 your input is no longer welcome nor wanted here, you really hould find somewhere else to try and intimidate and enrage people with your ignorant cheap shots and preverted politics.

BE GONE.

[usa320]

I HAVE NOT SEEN COMBAT,

Then dont berate and disrespect those with the courage to have seen combat.

Someone as disrespectful, crude and immature as yourself wouldnt make it past a recruiters office in the US military, more or less basic, and im shocked youve made it that far in any respectable force, which i know for a fact the CAF is.

[EvanL]

I HAVE NOT SEEN COMBAT,

Then dont berate and disrespect those with the courage to have seen combat.

Someone as disrespectful, crude and immature as yourself wouldnt make it past a recruiters office in the US military, more or less basic, and im shocked youve made it that far in any respectable force, which i know for a fact the CAF is.
Well he wasnt dissing deut. And dont just come out of the woodwork asking for people to be banned. Your attitude is childish and immature. Ohh no he doesnt have the same beliefs or ideas as me, i hate him. Pleas ban him. He has at times put his foot in his mouth, but i think if you had a less jaded view you would see that the majority of people on this site do that everyday, more so than ducimus.
Calm down, get the knots out of your panties, and just sit back and be glad that you can live in a society where ppl can speak their minds freely.

[Skaman]

I HAVE NOT SEEN COMBAT,

Then dont berate and disrespect those with the courage to have seen combat.

Someone as disrespectful, crude and immature as yourself wouldnt make it past a recruiters office in the US military, more or less basic, and im shocked youve made it that far in any respectable force, which i know for a fact the CAF is.

don’t recall you saying you are in the Army, so I will explain something to you. To make it in the CAF you have to bite your tongue, put personal issues aside and achieve your goal as a group. I am on a free speaking forum board where I have the right to profess my opinion on certain topics relating to political/military vendettas. I can only hold myself back so long before the tide of garbage overwhelms me, and I feel the human urge to fling it back. Keep it civil and calm and I will give you the same courtesy. Ban me? Why? What have I really done besides challenge a firm base of soci/political ideals in stark contrast to my own...

[usa320]

free speaking forum board where I have the right to profess my opinion on certain topics relating to political/military vendettas

No, you are writing on a board, which is private intellectual property, set up by former and enlisted US Military personel to share photographs of operations, training and military life. Not on a place to ramble on about who we hate, who we think is "jaded", what countries we hate, what politicians we hate, and who think has small genetalia. YOur hear to look at photos and comment on them. Not to disrupt the displaying of photo and discussion of military affairs with personal attacks and trolling. There is no free speach here, this board is the property of hood, thereforce, if you says something he doesnt like, your gone, wether you have free speach or not. Frankly i think hood is a bit too lenient at times with the ban hammer and you should thank your lucky stars im not a moderator at this site.

I dont mind listening to twisted politics as long as its presented in a mature fashion and can be supported, but endless rambling about how such a country sucks and how so and so is sinister that always degrades to personal attacks, well that does bother me, and i think it should annoy everyone here.

[usa320]

And no, i am not in the Army.

[Skaman]

free speaking forum board where I have the right to profess my opinion on certain topics relating to political/military vendettas

No, you are writing on a board, which is private intellectual property, set up by former and enlisted US Military personel to share photographs of operations, training and military life. Not on a place to ramble on about who we hate, who we think is "jaded", what countries we hate, what politicians we hate, and who think has small genetalia. YOur hear to look at photos and comment on them. Not to disrupt the displaying of photo and discussion of military affairs with personal attacks and trolling. There is no free speach here, this board is the property of hood, thereforce, if you says something he doesnt like, your gone, wether you have free speach or not. Frankly i think hood is a bit too lenient at times with the ban hammer and you should thank your lucky stars im not a moderator at this site.

I dont mind listening to twisted politics as long as its presented in a mature fashion and can be supported, but endless rambling about how such a country sucks and how so and so is sinister that always degrades to personal attacks, well that does bother me, and i think it should annoy everyone here.

hmm, seems a little sexed up to me

[Vance]

Canada sucks. And I have facts to prove it. :roll:

[ibstolidude]

as Robin Williams said, "Like a loft apartment over a really great party."

DOWN BOYS!

just kidding.

[Skaman]

And no, i am not in the Army.

.Then show some respect to those who are. I take Deuterium’s words into consideration; I think he has a lot of valid things to say despite his current hate for all things Ducimus, Argyll similarly posts profound and well written posts. These are a few of many active or ex. members.

I suggest you show some respect to active members, even if I don’t meet your stereotype of a Taliban killing Rambo chest beater. I don’t care what walk of life you come from, everyone deserves respect. Want me to be an asshole; all you have to do is push

[Seiyuuki]

And no, i am not in the Army.

.Then show some respect to those who are. I take Deuterium’s words into consideration; I think he has a lot of valid things to say despite his current hate for all things Ducimus, Argyll similarly posts profound and well written posts. These are a few of many active or ex. members.

I suggest you show some respect to active members, even if I don’t meet your stereotype of a Taliban killing Rambo chest beater. I don’t care what walk of life you come from, everyone deserves respect. Want me to be an asshole; all you have to do is push

Then show some respects to those who are not in the services, it goes both way. Respect is earn, not giving because of your high almighty "I am in the services so kiss my boot."

YOU ARE IN THE SAME CLASS AS AN ROTC IN COLLEGE...STOP TRYING TO SOUND LIKE A "SEASONED VETERAN!!!!!!!!!!" WITH AMPLE OF EXPERIENCES TO PAST ONTO THE WEED LITTLE LADS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[usa320]

man this guy is about as annoying as kidney stones, if not worse.

hes worse the hangover i have right now.

And just because im not in the military doesnt mean i do not deserve respect.

[WARPIG]

Want me to be an asshole; all you have to do is push

Must have been pushed at birth.

Dicamus will never get it. He is too satisfied with himself to benefit from criticism or comment. Heck, the whole concept of the study of history is to be able learn from it. He cannot. He falls right into the same roles as many who were quick to criticise the "rowdy Yanks" after WWII. The rebuilding of that country was not an immediate success either.
Dicamus cannot even benefit from those who obviously have more experience than he.
I do tend to agree with Deut however. It isn't really that surprising. For him to have such a liberal view, passionate emotion for his view, and stubborn adherence to his own ego.. well is typical for his age. The only issue here is that he hasn't the courage to concede points when beaten, or even the ability to self evaluate when so many have overturned or enlightend his "factual" posts. Arrogance is what kills dicamus. He has as much of a right to opinion as the rest of us and I encourage it. He needs to learn that when giving an opinion.. expect criticism and learn from it.
I can tell that he has just enough education to bolster his ego.. yet not enough maturity to know the value of humility. When his ego forces him to ignore evidence contrary to his viewpoint.. he becomes ignorant. The ability is there.. he chooses not to use it.
In the mean time.. he enslaves himself to his ego and must suffer the brow beatings of those who know more and those who think they know more. Stupid people will come to a battle of wits unarmed, the ignorant just choose to not learn to use their weapon. They assume they know enough and become sattisfied with their own skill. The experienced or superior are never satisfied and have learned from mistakes.

[oakes]

Quite profound. You won't find that written in a fortune cookie.

[Vance]

Quite profound. You won't find that written in a fortune cookie.
Yeah, it's WAY too long.