PDA

View Full Version : French-UK Carrier: other side, same story



fantassin
06-10-2005, 04:06 AM
Extra order for super-carrier set to secure jobs at dockyard

BILL JACOBS


A JOBS boost could be on the cards for the Rosyth dockyard if the construction of a third new super-carrier goes ahead.

Armed Forces Minister Adam Ingram revealed during Defence Questions in the House of Commons that the French are planning to build a super-carrier on top of the two already programmed by the Royal Navy.

The Fife yard is already tipped to carry out completion work on the first two British carriers when the orders are placed in 2007.

As they are due to be built by a UK-French consortium it is expected that the same group would be awarded the finishing contract for a third vessel.

Swan Hunter on Tyneside could also stand to benefit from the work as would the Vosper Thornycroft shipyard in Southampton.

Gosport Tory MP Peter Viggers requested an undertaking that the carrier contract would be conducted in a manner that represented the best interests of the armed forces and the taxpayer.

"The only fixed star in this muddled contract seems to be that the carriers must be assembled in Rosyth," he said.

Mr Ingram told him "We have a major commitment to shipbuilding in this country in regard not only to the aircraft carriers but to the type 45 vessels and the Astute submarine programme, which will ensure thousands of jobs."

He added: "We are seeking to build two carriers, the French look as though they want to build one, which means that there are three orders, which could mean increased opportunities for British shipyards because of greater availability of work."

It is expected there will now be negotiations between the French and British governments and the BAe Systems/Thales consortium about how the work is to be allocated. It is thought that if three carriers are to be built the French will wish to assemble one in their own yards, although it could be finished off in the UK.

Edinburgh North and Leith MP Mark Lazarowicz welcomed the news. "This could be great news for Rosyth. It could secure the future of the yard and its workforce," he said.

"If the UK vessels are being finished off at Rosyth, the French carrier is likely to be as well."

http://news.scotsman.com/edinburgh.cfm?id=634682005

Good to see it works both ways and that the Brits will also benefit from the joint production.

seruriermarshal
06-10-2005, 04:17 AM
I hear UK has choose F-35 .

Stolly
06-10-2005, 07:29 AM
I hear UK has choose F-35 .

Its part of that programme, but i guess i can't quite follow what that has to do with this ?

oldsoak
06-10-2005, 07:40 AM
It might have an effect on the size of the carrier. The UK F35 Naval version can land vertically, which means you can have a smaller flight deck than the conventional take off and landing Rafale.

JoaMei
06-10-2005, 07:51 AM
It might have an effect on the size of the carrier. The UK F35 Naval version can land vertically, which means you can have a smaller flight deck than the conventional take off and landing Rafale.

But this also means you do have only Early warning Helicopters and no Hawkeyes. So the detection range is reduced to 200 km instead of more than 500 km and those Helos have a much shorter endurance. This means a surprising Attack will kill the carrier pretty easy.

+ VTOL Aircraft have a significally reduced Weapon load.

+ the new carrier based UCAV dont have VTOL capability in the foreseeable Future.

Fenna
06-10-2005, 08:02 AM
I don't think the UK will fall into the trap of buying small carriers again.

I wish we would actually be getting 3 of these new ones.... Would certainly be helpful considering how often UK Forces are being deployed abroad.

Hellfish
06-10-2005, 08:34 AM
I thought the RAN was also looking into getting the F35C - the carrier-borne version, not just the VTOL. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me to have a full deck carrier when you're only going to operate VSTOLs on it.

The French, I assume, will continue to operate the Rafale? Do they still operate the Super Etendard and Alize?

marktigger
06-10-2005, 09:45 AM
agree Fantasin it will safeguard UK jobs till Brussels intervenes and makes us have them built in spain or france.
And why no have a common european carrier makes sense. Given British waste of space's recent history not repeating the smae mistakes the french made with the CdeG is a good idea.

roland
06-10-2005, 09:48 AM
The French, I assume, will continue to operate the Rafale? Do they still operate the Super Etendard and Alize?

France still operate Super Etendard Moderdisé (SEM). they are going to be rempleced by Rafale M F3 around 2010.
The MN don't operate Alize on the CdG. Replaced by the E2C Hawkeye.

Atlantic Friend
06-10-2005, 12:25 PM
I thought the RAN was also looking into getting the F35C - the carrier-borne version, not just the VTOL. It doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me to have a full deck carrier when you're only going to operate VSTOLs on it.

The French, I assume, will continue to operate the Rafale? Do they still operate the Super Etendard and Alize?

The Rafale is only beginning its operational life, and won't be (or need to be) replaced for some time. The Super-Etendard, while modernized, will have to be replaced as a standard ground and sea attack aircraft. IIRC, the Alizés have been replaced by Hawkeyes for the AWACS role, and by helos for the anti-submarine role.

Supe
06-10-2005, 01:00 PM
Can someone tell me what ships are being constructed?

AFAIK, the design hasn't been finalised yet.

http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/cvf/
http://www.royal-navy.mod.uk/static/pages/1971.html