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The Walrus
12-29-2003, 06:44 AM
U.S., Iran Hold Direct Talks on Quake Relief
Sat December 27, 2003 06:47 PM ET

By Mark Felsenthal

CRAWFORD, Texas (*******) - U.S. and Iranian officials put aside diplomatic differences to directly discuss humanitarian aid after the earthquake in Iran that claimed tens of thousands of lives, a State Department official said on Saturday.

The United States will send government and civilian emergency workers and 75,000 tons of medical supplies to Iran, the White House said.

White House spokesman Scott McClellan said in a statement that the United States was working with Iranian authorities, the United Nations and the International Red Cross and Red Crescent to quickly send aid to Iran after the devastating earthquake in the city of Bam, where officials estimate the death toll at 20,000.

The U.S. announcement followed rare direct talks between U.S. and Iranian officials, State Department spokesman Lou Fintor said.

"Given the urgency of the situation we deemed direct contact to be the most appropriate channel," Fintor said.

Washington broke relations with the Islamic republic after students stormed the U.S. Embassy in Tehran in 1979 and held 52 Americans hostage for 444 days.

President Bush, in his 2002 State of the Union speech, branded Iran as part of an "axis of evil." But the president offered condolences to the families of the dead and injured on Friday and promised the United States would provide humanitarian aid.

U.S. officials usually communicate with Tehran through intermediaries, often channeling messages through Swiss diplomats.

But Fintor denied there was diplomatic significance to the direct contacts with Iran.

"There is no political angle. There is a humanitarian catastrophe in Iran and our only mission is to alleviate the human suffering associated with yesterday's earthquake," he said.

Iran's quick acceptance of help contrasts with its rejection in 1990 of outside doctors, workers, blood supplies, sniffer dogs and used clothes after an earthquake claimed 36,000 lives and injured 100,000 people.

The United Sates will send medical response teams from Boston, Los Angeles and Virginia and disaster experts from government agencies, McClellan said. The U.S. military will deliver medical supplies from bases in Kuwait, said the spokesman, who was with Bush at his Texas ranch.

Separately, World Vision, a major U.S.-based humanitarian relief organization, announced it plans to airlift supplies to Iran next week.

World Vision said it would send an airlift of $250,000 worth of supplies including plastic sheeting and water purification tablets and equipment early next week

I lift my proverbial hat to the enduring spirit of the Marshall plan and US generosity :hug:

Dalleer
12-29-2003, 06:48 AM
In my opinion that's the right thing for the US to do, since Iran does require help at this moment despite differences in politics between these two nations.

Javehn
12-29-2003, 10:10 AM
Just like they should do, and everybody should do the same .Just hearts to see that Iranian government even in such a moment declined our help...

2Sheds_Jackson
12-29-2003, 10:34 AM
Just like they should do, and everybody should do the same .Just hearts to see that Iranian government even in such a moment declined our help...

Yes, that's unbelievable. I wonder how many of the dead could have been saved, had the Iranian gov't acted like adults. It's very telling that the government preferred to let their own people die, rather than lose face (again) to Israel.

steel bonnet
12-29-2003, 12:09 PM
I agree,send them help & also send a few SPOOKS to check out the Iranian "problem" too. Like the US,UK & others haven`t already ;)

Ja
Steel Bonnet

usa320
12-29-2003, 03:52 PM
Come on guys- i highly doubt food aide is all that we are flying into Iran right now.

;)

Jack Mehoff
12-29-2003, 03:55 PM
I wonder how long will it take the anti-American and anti-Bush crowd to figure out how to spin this as a negative thing?

StarvingStudent47
12-29-2003, 04:29 PM
RIP for the victims. And it's a damned shame and a f-cking embarassment that the Iranian government turned down disaster relief aid from Israel.

But something is bothering me. This quake was only about 6.2 on the Richter scale. And Iran is claiming upwards of TWENTY THOUSAND dead now. There was a 6.5 quake in California this month, and TWO people died. The way I see it, there are only two possible explanations:

1) Iranian architects are shockingly naive to the threat of quakes, and the Iranian government is woefully unprepared to handle disaster relief, or

2) Not all of these dead people really died in the quake. We know that pro-democracy protesters have been clashing more and more with the government in recent months. Am I the only one concerned that this "quake catastrophy" has just been a convenient excuse for the Iranian government to cover up a mass grave? Tell villages that "those two families that are missing were vacationing in Bam. So sorry for your loss." I know it's a conspiracy theory, but it's not the most outrageous one I've ever heard.

Seiyuuki
12-29-2003, 04:35 PM
Iran is currently striving for progressive reforms, ironically and not literally, pursue by the same universities' students who supported the current government back in the 70s'.

As such, the current Iranian's President have been looking for way to once again normalize relationship with Washington, even before the earthquake. As tragic as this natural disaster is, I think it allow this course of diplomacy to be broaden for the better.

Flagg
12-29-2003, 07:26 PM
But something is bothering me. This quake was only about 6.2 on the Richter scale. And Iran is claiming upwards of TWENTY THOUSAND dead now. There was a 6.5 quake in California this month, and TWO people died. The way I see it, there are only two possible explanations:

1) Iranian architects are shockingly naive to the threat of quakes, and the Iranian government is woefully unprepared to handle disaster relief, or

2) Not all of these dead people really died in the quake. We know that pro-democracy protesters have been clashing more and more with the government in recent months. Am I the only one concerned that this "quake catastrophy" has just been a convenient excuse for the Iranian government to cover up a mass grave? Tell villages that "those two families that are missing were vacationing in Bam. So sorry for your loss." I know it's a conspiracy theory, but it's not the most outrageous one I've ever heard.

My opinion is:

1.) No

2.) No...stop watching X-Files reruns

I think the most likely scenario is as follows:

The reason why so much death and destruction occurred is due to the materials and age of the structures affected.

1.) The city itself is amongst the oldest continually inhabited on earth..many very old structures.

2.) Materials used in buildings affected are vulnerable to earthquakes. Wood frame houses that many of us live in are less likely to be affected by earthquake as they are "flexible", unlike stone,brick,earthen structures which come right down in quakes...at least according to my engineer mates.

3.) Conspiracy is unlikely as it would require massive logistical support to accomplish at a time when infrastructure is non-operational....let alone huge numbers of people "in the know" actively participating in a coverup. I know some Iranians......they're friendly, hardworking people...just like Americans, Israelis, Kiwis, and even Australians....they're not evil monsters...they're people.

4.) It is a shame the Iranians failed to accept Israeli help....but unfortunately we've seen things like this before(Kursk, Chernobyl, etc.) political ego/face-saving comes at a cost to the victims.

budanski
12-29-2003, 11:12 PM
'Great Satan' sends 'axis of evil' member Iran aid (http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N29360879.htm)

StarvingStudent47
12-30-2003, 01:18 AM
I know some Iranians......they're friendly, hardworking people...just like Americans, Israelis, Kiwis, and even Australians....they're not evil monsters...they're people.

I know some some Iranians too. Great folks. Actually my best friend since age 12 is the son of an Iranian refugee. The trick is, all the Iranians I know think that the GOVERNMENT of Iran are a bunch of evil monsters. And they should know--that's why they're not in Iran right now. That's all I'm saying.