Sweden: Greens force gvt to suspend UAV project

[fantassin]

Greens force government to suspend unmanned fighter project

After a day of political farce, the government have decided to put on ice their participation in a multi billion crown project to develop an unmanned fighter plane.

Whilst Green party spokesman, Peter Eriksson, issued ultimatums to prime minister Göran Persson on the phone, defence minister Leni Björklund sneaked in and out of parliament to dodge journalists.

It was Eriksson who was first out with a statement that the government was to postpone their decision to invest 750m kronor in the joint venture between Saab and French defence contractor, Dassault.

More at:


http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=1582&date=20050610

[Luno]

750m sk is 80 038 418EUR . it is a cooperation between Saab and Dassault, and the plane is a stealth UAV with combat capabilities p-)

And here is a link to the project
European UCAV Programme
http://www.saabaerosystems.com/4.d90453fedf4722d47fff500.html

[JoaMei]

The Greens ****ed up more than one defense project here too.... :oops:

[Thor]

It will probably go through in the end, the greens are looking to get greater influence in the corridors of power and you don't do that by pissing off the prime minister.

[Nordic Fire]

It will probably go through in the end, the greens are looking to get greater influence in the corridors of power and you don't do that by pissing off the prime minister.
Sounds like the Swedish Greens also have a moral backbone as they refuse to go on with projects that are fundamentally against their core doctrine. Our Greens left the government after a decision was made to build a fifth nuclear plant. Them standing up to their ideals even if it meant losing political clout made me proud of having voted for them.

[Deuterium]

Badass looking bird.

[Luno]

Badass looking bird.

yes she is p-) I really hope we gone see it fly soon woot
http://img300.echo.cx/img300/7767/untitled1kb.jpg

[flanker7]

750m sk is 80 038 418EUR . it is a cooperation between Saab and Dassault, and the plane is a stealth UAV with combat capabilities p-)

And here is a link to the project
European UCAV Programme
http://www.saabaerosystems.com/4.d90453fedf4722d47fff500.html


Also Greeks EAB is a partner in the program

[signatory]

Sweden WILL support the project.

The Prime Minister made that clear today,it's of national interest to keep and develop military avionics for future upgrades to the Gripen and UAV systems.

The Greens (and left-party) freaked out because they thought this was about shopping new jets. But they are fundamentally against any military project, unless it's about helping Africans in UN missions. They hate the Airforce and especially the Gripen project.

Don't worry. Sweden already have allocated the funds for the project. They come from the Gripen development budget. The Defence Minister didnt feel a need to inform the coalition until this week since she wasnt asking for any more money. Instead she took upon herself to declare how 'old money' was spent. When she did, people freaked out.

God forbid... an honest politician?

[Khabbi]

so since sweden doesnt have much use for this besides selling it I guess ? so who is gonna get some stealth birds ??

[PeterG]

so since sweden doesnt have much use for this besides selling it I guess ? so who is gonna get some stealth birds ??

If France is involved - Iran? Anyone who has the money,really.

[fantassin]

Sweden WILL support the project.

The Prime Minister made that clear today,it's of national interest to keep and develop military avionics for future upgrades to the Gripen and UAV systems.

The Greens (and left-party) freaked out because they thought this was about shopping new jets. But they are fundamentally against any military project, unless it's about helping Africans in UN missions. They hate the Airforce and especially the Gripen project.

Don't worry. Sweden already have allocated the funds for the project. They come from the Gripen development budget. The Defence Minister didnt feel a need to inform the coalition until this week since she wasnt asking for any more money. Instead she took upon herself to declare how 'old money' was spent. When she did, people freaked out.

God forbid... an honest politician?

Very good news

:D

[Igor]

Great, just what Sweden needs! :roll:


We have a ****ing unemployment rate of more than 15%!!!!!!!!!! Why don't they spend that money on creating some ****ING JOBS!?


A ****ing high-tech UAV isn't gonna pay my bills :(

[Khabbi]

Great, just what Sweden needs! :roll:


We have a f*** unemployment rate of more than 15%!!!!!!!!!! Why don't they spend that money on creating some f*** JOBS!?


A f*** high-tech UAV isn't gonna pay my bills :(

It might if u get a job at the factory buidling them

[Moledet]

Cool looking UAV, nicest design I've seen so far.
It's the only logical move to develope a combat UAV unless those lefties want that thousands of people will loose their job in the near future.

[Thor]

Great, just what Sweden needs! :roll:


We have a f*** unemployment rate of more than 15%!!!!!!!!!! Why don't they spend that money on creating some f*** JOBS!?


A f*** high-tech UAV isn't gonna pay my bills :(
Here's a bright one with an IQ the same as his shoe size.

[Thor]

It will probably go through in the end, the greens are looking to get greater influence in the corridors of power and you don't do that by pissing off the prime minister.
Sounds like the Swedish Greens also have a moral backbone as they refuse to go on with projects that are fundamentally against their core doctrine. Our Greens left the government after a decision was made to build a fifth nuclear plant. Them standing up to their ideals even if it meant losing political clout made me proud of having voted for them.
Anyone who votes for the greens should have an lobotomy. Every actual member of the green party have already had one.

[Igor]

So just because they don't pop a ***** every time they see a large calibre weapon, like you do, and because they favour spending money on civilian programs instead of worthless military projects, they must have had lobotomies?


And what's with comparing my IQ to my shoesize? This coming from some jarhead who has more muscle in his pinky than brains between his ears? Awww, i must've hit a nerve :lol:

[Nordmannen]

So just because they don't pop a ***** every time they see a large calibre weapon, like you do, and because they favour spending money on civilian programs instead of worthless military projects, they must have had lobotomies?


And what's with comparing my IQ to my shoesize? This coming from some jarhead who has more muscle in his pinky than brains between his ears? Awww, i must've hit a nerve :lol:

Well, swedish military equipment are just made to be shown off on military sites like this, none of them actually works.
(for example the FN FNC covered in green plastic, utterly crap)

And Thor is acting like an idiot in 1700 of his posts, don't worry.

[moughoun]

So just because they don't pop a ***** every time they see a large calibre weapon, like you do, and because they favour spending money on civilian programs instead of worthless military projects, they must have had lobotomies?


And what's with comparing my IQ to my shoesize? This coming from some jarhead who has more muscle in his pinky than brains between his ears? Awww, i must've hit a nerve :lol:
most advance's made in human technology have come from the military, from microwave oven's to super glue

[Nordmannen]

So just because they don't pop a ***** every time they see a large calibre weapon, like you do, and because they favour spending money on civilian programs instead of worthless military projects, they must have had lobotomies?


And what's with comparing my IQ to my shoesize? This coming from some jarhead who has more muscle in his pinky than brains between his ears? Awww, i must've hit a nerve :lol:
most advance's made in human technology have come from the military, from microwave oven's to super glue

They won't come from Sweden, trust me.

[Igor]

So just because they don't pop a ***** every time they see a large calibre weapon, like you do, and because they favour spending money on civilian programs instead of worthless military projects, they must have had lobotomies?


And what's with comparing my IQ to my shoesize? This coming from some jarhead who has more muscle in his pinky than brains between his ears? Awww, i must've hit a nerve :lol:
most advance's made in human technology have come from the military, from microwave oven's to super glue


I realize that, but you can't seriously tell me that spending much needed money on some COMPLETELY un-necessary UAV (seriously, why would Sweden need one of those?) would be better than spending it on the economy and creating some f.ucking JOBS, especially when there are more hump backed, snaggle toothed, one legged Tokelauian hookers than there are jobs in Sweden.

[Igor]

Well, swedish military equipment are just made to be shown off on military sites like this, none of them actually works.
(for example the FN FNC covered in green plastic, utterly crap)

And Thor is acting like an idiot in 1700 of his posts, don't worry.


Det håller jag dock inte med om. Strv-122:an e ju den mest avancerade versionen av Leo 2 som finns, och den där smygkorvetten, YS2000 e ju inte helt fel heller. Jag har inget emot att regeringen spenderar pengar på försvaret när det finns ett fett överskott i kistan, men om nästan varenda jävel e arbetslös så borde dom fan fixa jobb först, och SEN köpa en massa obemannade flygplan, som för övrigt låter rätt idiotiskt. Vafan ska vi med sånt till egentligen?



Wait, you mean this isn't the "Swedish for beginners" forum?


Well, ****... :lol:

[Turhapuro]

I realize that, but you can't seriously tell me that spending much needed money on some COMPLETELY un-necessary UAV (seriously, why would Sweden need one of those?) would be better than spending it on the economy and creating some f.ucking JOBS, especially when there are more hump backed, snaggle toothed, one legged Tokelauian hookers than there are jobs in Sweden.
If swedes want more jobs, I advise then to cut down welfare state and high taxes. Whole nation is turning to subsidiary company economy.

[Adam Wilhelm]

Well, swedish military equipment are just made to be shown off on military sites like this, none of them actually works.
(for example the FN FNC covered in green plastic, utterly crap)


http://www.i19.mil.se/images/local/strvutb_040929_framryck.jpg

http://www.mss.mil.se/images/local/stridsfordon640.jpg

http://www.marinnytt.mil.se/images/local/visby1stor.jpg

http://www.f7.mil.se/images/local/gripen_03.jpg


Yes i know, just crap.

And how much swedish gear is in use in the norwegian military?

[supercontra]

I realize that, but you can't seriously tell me that spending much needed money on some COMPLETELY un-necessary UAV (seriously, why would Sweden need one of those?) would be better than spending it on the economy and creating some f.ucking JOBS, especially when there are more hump backed, snaggle toothed, one legged Tokelauian hookers than there are jobs in Sweden.
If swedes want more jobs, I advise then to cut down welfare state and high taxes. Whole nation is turning to subsidiary company economy.
+1

In response to Igor. The UAV could in the long term save money for the defence forces since nowadays border patrolling has to be made by a rote of JAS-39's instead of a UAV "manned" by a conscript. Thus freeing money to "giving" people jobs. It's a strange swedish phenomena, people talk about being "given" jobs instead of "getting" jobs. I think it points to the root of the problem.
Jobs aren't made by governments.

[Luno]

Well, swedish military equipment are just made to be shown off on military sites like this, none of them actually works.
(for example the FN FNC covered in green plastic, utterly crap)


[img]http://www.i19.mil.se/images/local/strvutb_040929_framryck.jpg

[img]http://www.mss.mil.se/images/local/stridsfordon640.jp

[img]http://www.marinnytt.mil.se/images/local/visby1stor.jpg

[img]http://www.f7.mil.se/images/local/gripen_03.jpg


Yes i know, just crap.

And how much swedish gear is in use in the norwegian military?


Norway use allot off Swedish made equipment like CV90 and RBS 70 and nearly al off the Norwegian navy ships use Swedish weapon system and radar system.. Norway don’t have any military industry.
they are building some ship but use foreign engines and electronic and also foreign weapon system


Nordmannen suffers from a typical little brother complex

[Nordic Fire]

Anyone who votes for the greens should have an lobotomy. Every actual member of the green party have already had one.
:lol: Our Green party is being criticized for being a party of elitist intellectuals, which is kind of true considering the disproportionally high number of PhDs and other university graduates in the party. I vote for them mainly because of their ultra-liberal stance when it comes to social issues such as same *** marriage or legalizing mild drugs. Environmental concerns and healthy skepticism regarding the use of military force are just an added bonus.

[Nordmannen]

Well, swedish military equipment are just made to be shown off on military sites like this, none of them actually works.
(for example the FN FNC covered in green plastic, utterly crap)


Yes i know, just crap.

And how much swedish gear is in use in the norwegian military?

One well placed rock could take them all down.


Norway use allot off Swedish made equipment like CV90 and RBS 70 and nearly al off the Norwegian navy ships use Swedish weapon system and radar system.. Norway don’t have any military industry.
they are building some ship but use foreign engines and electronic and also foreign weapon system


Nordmannen suffers from a typical little brother complex

The rich little brother?

[ikurinturbiini]

It is very rare to find a Norwegian who is both ignorant and obnoxious. Looks like we have one right here. woot

[Nordmannen]

It is very rare to find a Norwegian who is both ignorant and obnoxious. Looks like we have one right here. woot


obnoxious
A rather new slang word meaning cool, great, fantastic, extreme, good, entertaining etc.

Thank you Gregory Despres, I try. woot
As for the ignorant part... you are wrong.

[Thor]

So just because they don't pop a ***** every time they see a large calibre weapon, like you do, and because they favour spending money on civilian programs instead of worthless military projects, they must have had lobotomies?
They should get lobotomies because they are nut cases/fruit cases. In the good old days they would have been deemed sinnesslöa and institutionalised or put to work. One quick look at their party congress is all what it takes.

Military technology is closely linked to civilian science and economic growth. Our armed forces should be strong not just to defend our country but to strengthen our political position in the world. The soul of a country ultimately lies in it's military capabilities.


And what's with comparing my IQ to my shoesize? This coming from some jarhead who has more muscle in his pinky than brains between his ears? Awww, i must've hit a nerve
I beat you in every way possible (so just leave it for your own good).


Well, swedish military equipment are just made to be shown off on military sites like this, none of them actually works.
(for example the FN FNC covered in green plastic, utterly crap)
Another one of those funny norskies. :D

Swedish stuff rocks everything and you know it, you just want to be a little teaser. AK5 is great and that's why the US has decided to go with an improved version of FNC just like we did some 20 years ago.


They won't come from Sweden, trust me.
As well as you probably know that Sweden is one of the leading nations in the world when it comes to technology and science.


I realize that, but you can't seriously tell me that spending much needed money on some COMPLETELY un-necessary UAV (seriously, why would Sweden need one of those?)
First of all, no one has said that we're going to buy NEURON in the end. What the defence minister have suggested is that we take funds from the already settled defence budget and reallocate some of it to this project. The reason is business interests and the long term interest of keeping crucial technological capabilites within the country (we want to be able to keep the Gripen up to date for the coming 30 years).


would be better than spending it on the economy and creating some f.ucking JOBS, especially when there are more hump backed, snaggle toothed, one legged Tokelauian hookers than there are jobs in Sweden.
You're such a retard. Get some economics classes (right now) and get out of that redneck thinking.

There are plenty of work opportunities. The reason to unemployment is mainly the welfare system. Who wants to work when you get paid not to?


Our Green party is being criticized for being a party of elitist intellectuals…
:D :D :D

They're nut cases. Calling mentals intellectual is new to me.


…which is kind of true considering the disproportionally high number of PhDs and other university graduates in the party.
I know those people. For someone to spend 9 years in the university on the expense of the tax payers to get some degree in movie science/ethnology/playing fluit wouldn't get them in to my list of intellectuals. Any moran can do that (and they do).

But still feel free to show up any proof that there are a "disproportionally high number of PhDs" in that party (PhD = doktorsexamen).


I vote for them mainly because of their ultra-liberal stance when it comes to social issues such as same *** marriage or legalizing mild drugs. Environmental concerns and healthy skepticism regarding the use of military force are just an added bonus.
It's people like you who ruin this country. One day you will be given the right treatment.

Still the green party is only a ~4 percent party. There is a fair chance that they will be forced out of the parliament next year.

[Nordmannen]

Another one of those funny norskies. :D

Swedish stuff rocks everything and you know it, you just want to be a little teaser. AK5 is great and that's why the US has decided to go with an improved version of FNC just like we did some 20 years ago.

The improvement being green plastic?



As well as you probably know that Sweden is one of the leading nations in the world when it comes to technology and science.

Maybe in your world.

[ikurinturbiini]

As for the ignorant part... you are wrong.

So you're saying you are not an idiot, even though you appear as one?

Sorry, my bad. ;)

[joka]

As for the ignorant part... you are wrong.

So you're saying you are not an idiot, even though you appear as one?

Sorry, my bad. ;)

Something very common among idiots is that they rarely know that they are one themselves.

:| hmmm... I think I just opened up a big can of worms :)

[Nordmannen]

As for the ignorant part... you are wrong.

So you're saying you are not an idiot, even though you appear as one?

Sorry, my bad. ;)

Yep.
Or maybe I'am just too lazy to argue with you.

[ikurinturbiini]

As for the ignorant part... you are wrong.

So you're saying you are not an idiot, even though you appear as one?

Sorry, my bad. ;)

Yep.
Or maybe I'am just too lazy to argue with you.

And lazy, too. :roll: They don't make vikings the way they used to...

JOKING!

[Igor]

You're such a retard. Get some economics classes (right now) and get out of that redneck thinking.

There are plenty of work opportunities. The reason to unemployment is mainly the welfare system. Who wants to work when you get paid not to?


HAHAHA. No, YOU'RE the retard. Guess what, ****forbrains, it TAKES money to MAKE money! Creating jobs requires long term investments on the part of the goverment in order to stimulate business opportunities and encourage companies to do business here, thus creating jobs. Do you really think any company would want to do business here if there wasn't any infrastructure? Roads, communications, airports, seaports, all of them are funded and operated by the goverment. Same goes for education. You think any company would want to hire people here if there weren't skilled and educated workers? Where do you think that education comes from? Some greedy capitalist who gives **** all about education and runs some ****ty private school that happily gives out top grades to all its students in order to improve their academic record and thus cause more rich people to enroll their kids there, thus increasing their profits, or a state school that has no financial interest at all, and only cares about educating its students? Yes, you read that right. Private schools are MUCH more likely to give students really high grades and easier tests since it gives the impression that they're doing a good job, which increases their profits. This undermines productivity, and hurts the economy in the long run since companies will be hiring those retarded dip****s who don't really have the skills for the job except for on paper.


You say the reason there's unemployment is because of the welfare system? HAHAHAHAH! Then how do you explain that there are people with ****ing masters degrees scrubbing public toilets here in Sweden, if there are SOOOOOO many work opportunities like you claim? I find it odd that you could have missed that, considering that you live here! Oh wait you don't live here! Until you come here and try to find a job, you don't know ****.


Just go to www.ams.se and try to find a job that doesn't require 6 years of experience, a drivers license, letter of recommendation from a previous employer and all kinds of other ****. Do you consider such ridiculous requirements the signs of low unemployment? When there's low unemployment, it's the exact opposite. Then they'll take anyone with absolutely no skills what-so-ever, since they're desperate for labour. But when there's extremely high unemployment they'll set farcically high requirements since they know there are at least 200 applicants for each vacancy, and they can basically exploit people to their hearts content. Also, check out http://www.riksbank.se/ and take a look at the inflation. It's currently at 0.3%. A healthy level would be around 2-3%. If there are so many jobs as your warped little mind seems to think, how come the inflation's so low?

Considering your sound grasp of keynesian economics, you should have no problem explaining it to me.



Oh, and telling someone who's been studying economics in school for the past 6 months to take economics classes is a complete f.ucking joke. Man, logical thinking isn't your forté, is it? rofl

[Wodan]

Be happy you dont have them in power, here they want our forces to be all over the world (bombing kosovo, occupying ex-jugoslavia, occupying afghanistan....) but dont want to spend a ****ing cent for it :roll:

[Luno]

Look at the size off that thing :D



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LE BOURGET, France: A model of the European UCAV technology demonstrator "Neuron" stands near A Rafale Jetfighter 13 June 2005 after it was unveiled by French President Jacques Chirac during the inauguration of the Paris Air Show at Le Bourget . Neuron is an European Research project led by Dassault Aviation. AFP PHOTO PIERRE VERDY (Photo credit should read PIERRE VERDY/AFP/***** Images)