Poland & Israel Sign Missile Deal (video)

[uri]

***** Poland & Israel Sign Missile Deal *****
AP Video - Mon Dec 29, 2:56 PM ET

Short link:
http://tinyurl.com/29ufo

Long link:
http://mediaframe.yahoo.com/launch?p=news&l=SAM&a=0,30&provider=ap_av&.test=1&f=53746348&lid=rnv-56-s.5594151,rnv-128-s.5594151,rnv-200-s.5594151,rnv-300-s.5594151,wmv-50-s.5594152,wmv-100-s.5594153,wmv-300-s.5594154,&t=AudioVideo
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Israeli Forces Re-Enter Nablus After Lull
AP Video - Tue Dec 30,11:21 AM ET
Israeli forces re-entered Nablus early Tuesday, exchanging gunfire with Palestinian militants and clamping a curfew on the heavily populated ancient quarter of the West Bank city, Palestinian witnesses said.

Short link:
http://tinyurl.com/37xeo

Long link:
http://mediaframe.yahoo.com/launch?p=news&l=SAM&a=0,30&provider=ap_av&.test=1&f=53746348&lid=rnv-56-s.5596635,rnv-128-s.5596635,rnv-200-s.5596635,rnv-300-s.5596635,wmv-50-s.5596636,wmv-100-s.5596637,wmv-300-s.5596638,&t=AudioVideo[/url]
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[Marmot1]

SPIKE woot woot woot

[uri]

SPIKE woot woot woot

my precious
:hug:

[Javehn]

Bad spike , bad , they wanna still my precious !! :(
One boom - no more tank ...

Couple of movies (not so related , but what the hell..)

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/files/merkava_l.wmv

A bit long clip showing the life and trainings in IDF tank battalion , i think it is nice one .

http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/files/7_1.mpg

Merkava 2 is on the move. Short clip .

http://212.179.112.116/aza_b.wmv

Idf operation in Gaza strip , inside building of Palestinian Security force ( i am not shure , how to translate it's name ) .

[uri]

Bad spike , bad , they wanna still my precious !! :(
One boom - no more tank ...

LOL! it's OK, you one of the good guys :)

btw:


Rafael to supply anti-tank missiles to Poland
A Ministry of Defense delegation, headed by ministry director general Amos Yaron, will sign a $250 million contract for anti-tank missiles with Poland.
Under the contract, Rafael will supply the Polish Army with Spike anti-tank missiles of the Gil family. The Spike is a television-guided fourth-generation missile for day and night use, and with a range of 4-6 km. The missile can be shoulder-fired by infantrymen or installed on a vehicle.
Poland may in future export Rafael missiles to third countries.
Rafael has also sold the Spike to Finland and the Netherlands.
Rafael's sales in 2003 are expected to reach a record $900 million.

http://www.globes.co.il/serveen/globes/DocView.asp?did=755779

[IDFM203]

aww poor javhen :petting: ;) (but yeah your lucky for its like what uri said to you :D )

Anyways uri good post though we already had a thread about it the other day.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6810

P.S. do any of those last three pics there of my last post look at all familiar ;)

Shalom :D

[uri]

aww poor javhen :petting: ;) (but yeah your lucky for its like what uri said to you :D )

Anyways uri good post though we already had a thread about it the other day.
http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=6810

P.S. do any of those last three pics there of my last post look at all familiar ;)

Shalom :D

sorry, didn't saw it.

anyway, the first couple of pictures is British soldiers trying Spike.

and this is me:
http://www.isayeret.com/weapons/rockets/gil/1.jpg

[Javehn]

Funky ass brittes, didn't wanted to use our Spike . No problem , no problem at all ... Watch for impact . It will be closed ... :fork: (what the hell is he talking about , you think :| ) .

[S'13]

Funky ass brittes, didn't wanted to use our Spike . No problem , no problem at all ... Watch for impact . It will be closed ... :fork: (what the hell is he talking about , you think :| ) .

rofl

Well said Javehn...

By the way, what did the brits buy instead of the Spike?

[REMOV]

By the way, what did the brits buy instead of the Spike?The US Javelin ATGM.


Source: http://www.forecast1.com/press/press84.htm

Javelin Wins UK LFATGW Competition

NEWTOWN, Conn., January 23, 2003 - In a significant victory for Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, the United Kingdom has selected the Javelin missile as winner of its Light Forces Anti-Tank Guided Weapon (LFATGW) system competition. This selection of Javelin was a blow to its main rival – the Rafael NT-G/S missile.

The UK competition was seen as a key test for both missiles. "Both Rafael and Raytheon-Lockheed Martin fought hard to win this competition," said Larry ****erson, missile systems analyst with Forecast International. "Each entry had something to prove and a lot riding on this decision," he said.

"A win in the UK competition could have seen Rafael secure a commanding position in the anti-armor missile market," ****erson said. Israel needed to defeat the Javelin in a major international competition to prove that its victories in Finland and the Netherlands were not flukes. A third strong showing of the NT against Javelin could have tilted Germany, and perhaps Turkey, in favor of the Israeli system over its American and Western European rivals.

"Meanwhile, Raytheon and Lockheed Martin needed to win big export contracts to help keep the Javelin’s cost under control, as well as secure their position as leading providers of next-generation manportable ATGWs," ****erson said.

The LFATGW contract is worth $459 million and will help to support Javelin production into the fourth quarter of the decade. The Javelin is expected to enter with British Army light units in 2005. The British Army’s 16 Air Assault Brigade and the 3 Commando Brigade Royal Marines will be the first to receive the Javelin missile. The Javelin is expected to remain in UK military service through 2025.

Javelin is already in service with the US military and is said to be deployed in Afghanistan with the Special Operations Forces of an undisclosed nation. Known customers for the Javelin include Lithuania, Jordan, Australia, New Zealand and Taiwan. Exports could add another 10,000 to 20,000 units to Javelin’s production total.

Raytheon and Lockheed Martin have formed the Javelin Joint Venture. Raytheon, which leads this joint venture, provides systems engineering management and support for the Javelin Joint Venture and produces the Command Launch Unit (CLU), missile guidance electronic unit and system software.

Lockheed Martin provides missile engineering and production support for the Javelin Joint Venture, produces the missile seeker, and performs missile all-up-round assembly.

[S'13]

By the way, what did the brits buy instead of the Spike?The US Javelin ATGM.

Thanks...

REMOV, what do you think about this deal as a Polish citizen?
By the way, this question is directed to all the Polish citizens here.

[Operation Ivy]

One boom - no more tank ...

:( :( :( :( :( :(

[podkus]

I'm satisfied, because Spike is a precision, "high-end" tank killer, precision = about 100% :oops: .

http://www.rafael.co.il/web/rafnew/images/spike-firing.jpg[/quote]

[IDFM203]

Good move on the part of Poland to purchase the Israeli spike

The British decision had nothing to do with the performance of the spike but rather all to do with its own internal politics and also some more pressure from the U.S. on behalf of the company that makes the javelin, in a way its almost natural for the brits to go there for the obvious advantage of interoperability with the US, and the existence of a large support infrastructure already in place.

From what I have read.........

Actually The Brits believed the Israeli Spike was slightly better because of the additional remote "fly by video" feature that can be used to "command guide" the spike, (In command guidance mode, the Spike actually sends what it sees back to the soldier over a set of fiber optic wires that trail behind the missile as it flies. The soldier uses the images to "fly" the missile, sending steering commands back through the same fiber optic wire…thus if at the last moment the operator realises that it’s a friendly vehicle or there are innocents there or whatever, he can steer it away) This is a slight advantage over the javelin for the operator can abort the missile after launch. This is a safety feature to helps prevent some friendly fire incidents.

Shalom :D

[mustamato]

The finnish army tested a couple of anti-tank missiles extensively a couple of years ago, the test results are secret but obviously it was between the Javelin and the Euro-Spike in the end. The finnish army not choosing the Javelin was obviously not very popular among the american politicans... nor the finnish (because the finnish voters are not very big fans of israeli politics towards the palestinians). But the army got what they wanted. The Euro-Spike is used in the finnish army as well under the name PstOhj 2000 (PstOhj = PanssariTorjuntaOhjus = anti-tank missile). Or is going to be used is a better way to put it.

http://www2.mil.fi/ajankohtaista/tiedotteet/images/20030602_1300_1/ptorjuntaohjus_2000.jpg

The best about Euro-Spike is without doubt the weight.

The finnish navy has also ordered a "larger Euro-Spike" to be "used as a anti-ship weapon" by the naval infantry troops. Anyone that has good pics of this "large" Euro-Spike?

[IDFM203]

The finnish army tested a couple of anti-tank missiles extensively a couple of years ago, the test results are secret but obviously it was between the Javelin and the Euro-Spike in the end. The finnish army not choosing the Javelin was obviously not very popular among the american politicans... nor the finnish. But the army got what they wanted. The Euro-Spike is used in the finnish army as well under the name PstOhj 2000 (PstOhj = PanssariTorjuntaOhjus = anti-tank missile). Or is going to be used is a better way to put it.

The finnish navy has also ordered a "larger Euro-Spike" to be "used as a anti-ship weapon" by the naval infantry troops. Anyone that has good pics of this "large" Euro-Spike?pardon my ignorance on this one aspect but what is the Euro spike?

And if it is the Israeli spike why is it called the Euro spike?…is it due to politics or perhaps there is indeed a European invented model all on its own.

Thanks in advance for your answer.

Shalom :D

[mustamato]

Dear IDF, it is very simple. It´s the same missile. But with a different name it is more easy to sell it to countries where a lot are hostile to Israel. Like Finland. The Euro-Spike used by the army is not made in Israel at all. It is only of a Israeli design. However the larger Euro-Spike bought by the navy will have israeli components which is not very popular. See the link below.

http://www.helsinki-hs.net/news.asp?id=20021017IE6

And what is the big Euro-Spike? IDFM203, do you have any info/pics on that one?

[IDFM203]

Dear IDF, it is very simple. It´s the same missile. But with a different name it is more easy to sell it to countries where a lot are hostile to Israel. Like Finland. The Euro-Spike used by the army is not made in Israel at all. It is only of a Israeli design. However the larger Euro-Spike bought by the navy will have israeli components which is not very popular. See the link below.

http://www.helsinki-hs.net/news.asp?id=20021017IE6

And what is the big Euro-Spike? IDFM203, do you have any info/pics on that one?
Dear mustamato ;) ok that’s what I thought…believe me I understand global politics and I expected your answer. I was just verifying it. So in other words the Euro spike is a licensed produced Israeli spike….got you :D

As for the bigger Israeli spike, here is a LINK (http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/anti-armor/n-td/N-TD.html) …is this what you’re talking about (I am not sure it is made for ships but I could be wrong)

I know for ships the Israeli navy uses the Israeli Gabriel (http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/sea_missiles/gabriel/Gabriel.html) and the Israeli Barak (http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/sea_missiles/barak/Barak.html)

Shalom :D

[mustamato]

As for the bigger Israeli spike, here is a LINK (http://www.israeli-weapons.com/weapons/missile_systems/anti-armor/n-td/N-TD.html) …is this what you’re talking about (I am not sure it is made for ships but I could be wrong)

Ok thanks. It must be this one. Since the finns are going to use it against ships they will probably also have a different warhead on those than the ones Israel use. However I don´t think that it will be fitted on a vehicle in Finland. It will be used like the swedes amphibious soldiers use their similar missiles. Small groups of men that will be inserted with boat. The finnish (and swedish) shoreline are full of small islands, well, some hundred thousand of them.

They use a laser-guided modified Hellfire, designated Rb17

http://www.soldf.com/images/s_rb17grp.jpg

[img]http://www.amfss.mil.se/images/local/rbs17.jpg
http://www.soldf.com/images/s_belysare_i_norge.jpg
http://www.amfss.mil.se/images/local/rb3.jpg

[kinghk]

Recently (15/12/2003) Norway purchased Javelins, Spike/Gill were one of the competitors.

[wholagun]

as we speak German and Russian tank commanders are ****ting in thier pants. :lol:
yeah thats right. This time it won't be that easy. p-)

I heard the deal would'be gone to the Yanks, but the offset was much better for the spike missile, as well it works better in Polish environment. I read the Javelin had problems functioning in the weather (don't know why, or how) these two factors contributed to us getting the spike.

[Operation Ivy]

What do u mean nothing can stop the Leo :roll: ;)

[uri]

What do u mean nothing can stop the Leo :roll: ;)
Spike can :hug: