Political Orientation Poll for militaryphotos.net

[Skaman]

Choose your affiliation

[EvanL]

Conservative

[ST4]

Your still missing Democrat on that list...

[James]

Other... You didn't define any of those.

In the U.S., I am a mix of Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, and Green... maybe throw a little bit of the old anarchy in there too. :P

I value personal liberty a great deal, and I believe that governments should exist to protect the personal liberties of their citizens. I don't think that governments should exist to take care of their citizens, at least not on the national or state level. I like capitalism, but I wish more people would share their wealth - but they shouldn't be forced to. I think being a legislator (congressman or senator here in the States) should be a part time job. I would like to see more than two viable parties in the U.S. I would like to see MASSIVE campaign finance reform. I'm partial to the notion of national service, even though it might take away some of the personal liberty I like so much.

Maybe I will run for President after I turn 35. ;)

[Salty Dog]

you've got my vote james.

[Haiw]

Maybe we could start a militaryphotos.net political party? :)

[Saranof]

Communist
And by that it dosn't mean I love Stalin and the likes :)


The MilPho party..hmm...I'll think up something next time I'm on the piss ;)

[El'Potato]

I'm just a plain socialist not into any kind of party. Just wanting a fair and rather equal world being that we all are equals, right?

[usa320]

Im a somewhat conservative republican, but in some issues i am more liberal about.

[hood]

I'm just a plain socialist not into any kind of party. Just wanting a fair and rather equal world being that we all are equals, right?


Taking money that I've earned and giving it to everyone else who sat around doing nothing just because they exist is hardly fair. :)

[Zach R.]

I'm just a plain socialist not into any kind of party. Just wanting a fair and rather equal world being that we all are equals, right?


Taking money that I've earned and giving it to everyone else who sat around doing nothing just because they exist is hardly fair. :)

Damn! You always beat it to me! I was gonna say that!

[Dennis G]

http://www.xbox-connection.com/hostedimages/comies2.JPG


Damn Commies

[Gringo]

Democrat.

[Ichhabe]

I see myself as a socialist. Have been pretty red in my younger years though.

But after 30, I became drawn more and more to the Conservative side untill I decided that giving vote to a political party was the worst that I could do.

Since 1998 I've voted blank.

(Pretty funny to see that most Europeeans so far are socialists. Kinda cute... ;) )

[Haiw]

Maybe it's because of higher education standards in Europe? p-)

[Shadow]

Maybe it's because of higher education standards in Europe? p-)
Yup, indeed!;)

[usa320]

Am the only one noticing a rise in communism throughout Europe?

Kinda annoys me to think we spent so many lives, time and money protecting Europe from commie bastards only to have Europe become an area that festers with communism 20 years after the berlin wall fell.

I think some of the commies in Western Europe need to go a bit East and talk to people there about their experiences with communism.

;)

[Haiw]

There's a big difference between socialism and communism...

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Ya I think im rather independant.

First of all I have a big distrust of anyone in politics because lets face it they all lie at some point. They have there own agenda's (which seem to come first at times), they will say one thing but do the opposite. They normally lack the balls to make any big changes, if there are changes its usually cutbacks or yet more taxes or red tape.

Point being I dont vote because theres no point. Who-ever gets in office is just going to be cheap and crooked as the last dude that left. Either way my life is the same, except for a few more taxes added on. Besides show me a politican that really does care about the people?
(NO Arnold doesnt care about the people hes too old to do the movies anymore and has gone the way of Steven Seagull and hes buisness in the front party in the back haircut)

[non-zero possibility]

I said other, because It depends on who I think I want to vote for, It dosent matter, I am not a party voter... P.s Anarchists are stupid. What A stupid concept, whoever voted for anarchism is stupid

[usa320]

indeed- anarchy is the dumbest political theory ever thought up.

[Haiw]

Anarchism is one thing...but voting for it?? rofl Voting for anarchism is like screwing for virginity :)

[Vance]

Calling Anarchy a political party is like calling Athiesm a religion.

[El'Potato]

Taking money that I've earned and giving it to everyone else who sat around doing nothing just because they exist is hardly fair. :)

I can't recall ever that I've read or heard that socialism was giving YOUR OWN belonings to everyone else, but rather distrubuting ALL assets EQUALLY to everyone.

It's better to know something about your "enemy" rather then assuming things about him... Before you know he might surprise you?

[Saranof]

I'm just a plain socialist not into any kind of party. Just wanting a fair and rather equal world being that we all are equals, right?


Taking money that I've earned and giving it to everyone else who sat around doing nothing just because they exist is hardly fair. :)


Since you seem to be a professor in statescience, I didn't really have to tell you that Socialism arose as a reaction to the poverty caused by Capitalism. Giving money YOU earned to others? I'm sorry, I don't quite understand? Where do you link this to workers and human rights, witch are the bases of modern Socialism?
I would like to know if you have read the works of Marx and Engels?
If not, how come you know so much about Socialism and the likes? You leaned it in school?
Ah, well...the US is one of few countrys in the world were in certain states, schools have forbinned the works of Darwin and dinosaur books.
THAT'S how seriously I take your school system :)
I for one, study this in school, have read the Capital (marx and Engels) and after doing that became a Socialist. This has nothing to do with me giving everything to the state or others. It means I belive that the industrial factors should be controlled by the people, and not by an elite minoritey.
I crave not of you to become a Socialist, but I do want you to learn something of the subject before hijacking the thread with completley false and childish accusations.

Just my 5 crowns
;)

[Saranof]

Am the only one noticing a rise in communism throughout Europe?

Kinda annoys me to think we spent so many lives, time and money protecting Europe from commie bastards only to have Europe become an area that festers with communism 20 years after the berlin wall fell.

I think some of the commies in Western Europe need to go a bit East and talk to people there about their experiences with communism.

;)

Ahh an expert on the subject! Then you can explain to me what the totalitarian states of eastern europe have to do with the works of Marx for example?
Also, can you explain what communism is for me? I would so like to know?
Also, while you are at it, you can tell us if you actually belive that the US did all that to "save to world"? Because yah know, over here, it dosn't really matter what political sphere yoo come from, noone belives it anyway ;)

[hood]

[Socialism] was first applied in England to Owen's theory of social reconstruction, and in France to those also of St. Simon and Fourier . . . The word, however, is used with a great variety of meaning, . . . even by economists and learned critics. The general tendency is to regard as socialistic any interference undertaken by society on behalf of the poor, . . . radical social reform which disturbs the present system of private property . . . The tendency of the present socialism is more and more to ally itself with the most advanced democracy. --Encyc. Brit.

Not sure why I'm being attacked so harshly when my statement was essentially correct. I, at no point, want possessions and money that I've earned, to be taken by the government and given to other people without my choosing. Redistribution of wealth sucks. Both my parents immigrated from European countries and were very poor when they got here. Their families worked their butts off to not be poor anymore, and were rewarded by this capitilistic society and aren't poor anymore. They had no welfare payments because my parent's parents were too proud to take it.

[Haiw]

Well I haven't read Marx, but from what I know the financial equality should come from equal incomes, so there's no Robin Hood games being played (no pun intended :P)

[El'Potato]

Well I haven't read Marx, but from what I know the financial equality should come from equal incomes, so there's no Robin Hood games being played (no pun intended :P)

More or less correct! It doesn't make sense to take from others and socialism is very much so about sense and logic :D

And to you Hood, had your parents come to a true socialist state they wouldn't be poor from the start. Sure they'd have to work, but they'd get as much finicial needs as anyone else.

[Herrmannek]

Socialism in implementation<--keyword is very close to Communism. Both systems share common flaws, They are not balanced. they are steered "centraly",They have big inertia with ussualy leads to FUBARs, resources are divided arbitrary. Big needs of states extingush healthy concurence(Monopolys etc...), they are good base for corruption, malversations and such...

One is sure: if it possible money should stay away from people who didn't earned them...I'm not totaly against social programs but those should be limited to hopeless cases, not to everyone....

[Trigger]

Saranof wrote:

Ah, well...the US is one of few countrys in the world were in certain states, schools have forbinned the works of Darwin and dinosaur books.
THAT'S how seriously I take your school system.
That statement alone proves that you know absolutely nothing about the U.S. education system, and are thus unqualified to criticize it or compare it to your alleged 'higher European standard'. You don't know ****.

[hood]

And to you Hood, had your parents come to a true socialist state they wouldn't be poor from the start. Sure they'd have to work, but they'd get as much finicial needs as anyone else.

The problem is that this has been proven not to work time and time again. When people all get the same income, whether they work a little or a lot, the incentive and ambition for people to work harder or be more productive goes in the toilet. Why should I go get my doctor's degree when I can make just as much holding a stop sign for a children's crossing? As I am apparently one of the great unwashed uneducated, please show me a place where this model has worked, where everyone gets equal wages and where that country is thriving.

[El'Potato]

The problem is not really the system itself, it's the people disliking it.
It's people being selfish, they'd rather have their freedom of choosing wether to have colgate or pepsodent toothbrushes rather than letting everyone get the same (which logo you now would wish for).

People in the west, or people in general I could say, don't even like the thought of doing something for anyone for free.
Myself I call that selfishness, having it so good that you can choose to do so much that the poor people in lets say Africa won't dream about it in several decades...

I won't go preaching on you now, but saying a system is really screwed up because people are selfish is like saying electronic artwork is bullcrap because so few know how to use it...

[Trigger]

The problem is not really the system itself, it's the people disliking it.
It's people being selfish, they'd rather have their freedom of choosing wether to have colgate or pepsodent toothbrushes rather than letting everyone get the same (which logo you now would wish for).

People in the west, or people in general I could say, don't even like the thought of doing something for anyone for free.
Myself I call that selfishness...
The problem is the system (socialism/communism). It looks nice on paper and makes you sound like you care about your fellow man, but you will never change human nature. Socialism/Communism will never be successful when you add the human element, and since the human race isn't going anywhere soon (barring some catastrophic event) people will always resist it once exposed to it.

[Saranof]

People in the west, or people in general I could say, don't even like the thought of doing something for anyone for free.
Myself I call that selfishness...
The problem is the system (socialism/communism). It looks nice on paper and makes you sound like you care about your fellow man, but you will never change human nature. Socialism/Communism will never be successful when you add the human element, and since the human race isn't going anywhere soon (barring some catastrophic event) people will always resist it once exposed to it.[/quote]

Well, that sounds cute! I mean your blabbering about communism being about caring about your fellow man and that. Wich proves you know **** about it. Karl Marx himself said that communism does NOT have any doctrines about those things.


I'd like to know which human element you mean? And, seing as oyu know **** about these things, how you know it has anything to do with socialism?

And about your school system yes? It was in all the papers here when some schools banned dinosaur books. It was funny. Shows that in the "country of freedom" some people won't let the kids learn the truth rofl

[El'Potato]

No the thing is, you have to have the right mindset.
We look at it from this perspective, there's some 6 billion people on this planet. We in the west make up some 1 billion or 1/6 of that.
That being said we're not even 20% of the worlds population but are using over 80% of all resources (took this from one of my classes so I can't really back it up no...).

That's nowhere near right or fair! Wouldn't you for example, Trigger change your mind knowing that instead of having like 2 500 (don't know your average salary/pay in the states) go down to 1 000 - 1 500 knowing that everyone could have it that way? Wouldn't you?

I don't know about any of you but I would feel rather good about myself, and not like it is today when 1/3 of the whole population i starving everyday :|

[Saranof]

And to you Hood, had your parents come to a true socialist state they wouldn't be poor from the start. Sure they'd have to work, but they'd get as much finicial needs as anyone else.

The problem is that this has been proven not to work time and time again. When people all get the same income, whether they work a little or a lot, the incentive and ambition for people to work harder or be more productive goes in the toilet. Why should I go get my doctor's degree when I can make just as much holding a stop sign for a children's crossing? As I am apparently one of the great unwashed uneducated, please show me a place where this model has worked, where everyone gets equal wages and where that country is thriving.

Wich is exactley what scoialism is about. Acutually earning by working hard. The use of Overvalue is in capitalism given not to the working person, but to the capitalist. You are not a capitalist, unless you own a part of the production factors.
Ahh, you want a model where this has worked? Tell me, where did anyone actually try to do this? Russia? Stalin killed more communists then any other group of people. Don't come telling us that the country was communist. As long as you have a dictator, socialism dosn't work. Capitalism works fine with one.
I recall Pinocet recived full support from the US government after han brutal coup and killing of a democraticly elected president.

And please..if you think that oscialism/ communism has anything to do with everyone earning the same, go play again. :roll: Here, we learn in highschool that it has nothing to do with that.

[Haiw]

Well Trigger does have a point...Marxism is a great system on paper. However, anytime humans get their hands on it they screw it up. I could go on and explain that, but just open a history book and you can see for yourself.

[Trigger]

Thanks Haiw, that's all I was trying to say. I wasn't trying to start a flame war.

Wouldn't you for example, Trigger change your mind knowing that instead of having like 2 500 (don't know your average salary/pay in the states) go down to 1 000 - 1 500 knowing that everyone could have it that way? Wouldn't you?
No, I will instead ask you to read what Hood wrote about the Doctor vs. the crossing guard. If a person is willing to walk the extra mile, work the extra hour and lift the extra weight who is to say he isn't entitled to the extra dollar? Certainly not you or I.



Well, that sounds cute! I mean your blabbering about communism being about caring about your fellow man and that. Wich proves you know **** about it. Karl Marx himself said that communism does NOT have any doctrines about those things.

I'd like to know which human element you mean? And, seing as oyu know **** about these things, how you know it has anything to do with socialism?

And about your school system yes? It was in all the papers here when some schools banned dinosaur books. It was funny. Shows that in the "country of freedom" some people won't let the kids learn the truth rofl
I didn't realize I was blabbering, of course the truth probably sounds like that to your ignorant ears.
Secondly, I'm going to assume that you do in fact live in Sweden. 'all the papers' you read are wrong, and seeing as how you are there, thousands of miles away from the school system you claim to be so informed about, and I'm here, working directly with elements of the school system on a daily basis, I'm quite certain that I know more about it than you do. So I'll say it again a little louder, in regards to American schools and what they do and don't teach:You Don't Know ****.

[El'Potato]

Hahahha, Trigger... He said in _some_, not ALL schools. And I can tell you that it was pretty clear and upright here in our major papers.
Do you suggest that they got all that from empty space Trigger?

I wonder who's being ignorant now...

[Marxist203]

Other... You didn't define any of those.

In the U.S., I am a mix of Republican, Democrat, Libertarian, and Green... maybe throw a little bit of the old anarchy in there too. :P

I value personal liberty a great deal, and I believe that governments should exist to protect the personal liberties of their citizens. I don't think that governments should exist to take care of their citizens, at least not on the national or state level. I like capitalism, but I wish more people would share their wealth - but they shouldn't be forced to. I think being a legislator (congressman or senator here in the States) should be a part time job. I would like to see more than two viable parties in the U.S. I would like to see MASSIVE campaign finance reform. I'm partial to the notion of national service, even though it might take away some of the personal liberty I like so much.

Maybe I will run for President after I turn 35. ;)

You're a centrist.

Meanwhile, Im a socialist through and through! Health care for all!

[El'Potato]

Meanwhile, Im a socialist through and through! Health care for all!

Cheers! woot :hug:

[StarvingStudent47]

When talking to conservatives, I call myself a liberal; when talking to most liberals, I call myself a centrist. Others have called me a neocon, but I have yet to hear a meaningful definition for that phrase besides "a Jew who supports the War on Terror."

I'm very liberal on social issues (I support gay marriage, stuff like that), pretty liberal on economic issues (I support more funding for education and the arts, and I don't think that tax cuts cure all ills), and centrist or even somewhat conservative for foreign policy/international relations issues (I don't trust the United Nations and I don't believe in "moral equivalency").

[Tane Angle]

Since everyone else is stating their stances, here are mine, roughly.

I don't really identify with the Democrat or the Republic Parties. I think both are filled with people ineffective and greedy.

When it comes to equal rights, I support equal rights for all citizens under the law. Take homo****** marriage; everyone should be able to choose who they share legal guardianship with, and who they share their spousal benefits, such as health care, with. Affirmative action is complex, and seems right sometimes, but not right other times. I don't honestly know what I think about it.

When it comes to abortion, the fact is that rapes, etc. are the exception, not the rule. I don't support abortion as a contraceptive, but I do think that it is the right of the mother to have it in the rare instances when it will save her life, or when a rape victim desires it.

I support our military personnel. I think they should have higher pay and increased benefits. No party has given them this. Every servicemember who needs an Interceptor vest with two plates and a MICH helmet should get one, and that isn't happening even on the half.

I support a larger military. In Iraq, we need a well trained ground force three times the size of our current one. I think we should make such a force.

I've seen war and tribal conflict. I approach war with caution, but also with extreme dedication once the decision to commit is made. I support intervention when warranted and necessary. It's not always clear what situations meet that criteria, but I'll tell you this: the Congo warranted and necessitated intervention, and we watched 3.5 million innocent civilians die in tribal genocide. It may not have been as organized as the Holocaust, but it was certainly just as horrible. And we certainly failed as a species and as "the light of freedom in a dark, oppressed world" to have let it happen. How dare we.

I would very likely support a flat, no tolerance for genocide agreement between nations. I think it should be required for members of the UN, NATO, and the EU to sign such an agreement, that they will act against it economically, and if possible and necessary, militarily. Once the message is sent that genocide is not tolerable, people will get that message. Right now, the message being sent is that it's perfectly acceptable.

I don't support the tax cut. I understand that the projects that I support require money, and I'm not big on picking and choosing projects. But that's just me, and others probably disagree. I do support Mandatory National Service, provided that it's done right, and that it's done equally. (That one is particularly controversial, so if someone wants to discuss it, can we just save it for a new thread?)

I support much more funding, and better equality of resources for education. I am all for giving people hand ups, but few people actually need hand outs. I'm all for giving a helping hand, provided that people will grab onto the hand and at least try. Roughly 1/3rd of American's don't have basic health care. I don't care if Canada's system doesn't always work, everyone has the right to a doctor, isn't that what the Hippocratic oath is all about? FDR knew a lot of his agencies wouldn't work, but he did the shotgun method: he tried 100 things so that if 50 failed, he still had 50 ones that were working. Let's experiment with nationalized health care. If it doesn't work the first time, let's change it and do it again. But let's do it.

I support much more funding for research grants; particularly one's related to diseases and space. I support the Fusion Power Project, and think it should actually get even more funding. It's the only way to keep the species alive, and the sooner we get it, the better.

I support mandatory recycling like many European nations and US cities have in place. I support mandatory, planned phased-in hydrogen power for all vehicles and electricity plants in the US. If we tried, in twenty years we could have stopped using fossil fuels.

I support colonizing and later terraforming Mars, and perhaps Europa as well. Again, it's the only way to keep the species alive, and the sooner we get that "backup disk" of humanity up and running, the better. Basically, a lot of my views come from my desire to ensure the survival of our species.

I support increased SETI funding, and think we should reinforce the UN, not chip away at it. It's key to improving the world. It's not 100% effective, but it would sure seem to do more good than bad.

In case people hadn't noticed, I definitely don't support President Bush, but I do refer to him as President. I have tremendous respect for the office, if not the man. I also respect people's rights to support him. I do not support former Vice President Al Gore either. Senator John McCain is the best man I know of for the job of President. DCI George Tenet has merits for the Presidency, but I don't know enough about him.

Like I said on another post today, I haven't even liked a President since Kennedy. Eisenhower had some real good qualities. Truman and FDR both had many great qualities, and are at the top of my list of Great US Presidents. Washington and Lincoln were great too, but the world was far more different then than it was during the 1940s. I think Teddy Roosevelt was perhaps our best President ever.

I approach most things with logic and scientific reason. I'd like to think that I'm no dummy and that my education has been worth it. I'm 53 and have spent a considerable amount of time learning. I read for kicks. The imagination gets me high on life and drunk on reality; indeed, the endorphins and particularly the adrenaline released when using the imagination are drugs. Astrophysics and anthropology are my cocaine, genetics and philosophy my heroin. All four subjects, and many others, really do get my imagination going. Thinking is my fix. I actually think about the nature of thinking and thought. What I’m getting at here is that I am not issued stances; rather, I have thought about the issues, learned about them, and come to my own conclusions. I think most people here have done likewise, and fully understand that differences of opinion often come from differences of circumstances and situations. What benefits me might not benefit someone else, and I respect other’s right to voice their views the same as I voice mine.

I differentiate between thoughtful discussion and forcing beliefs on people. Evangelism makes me hesitate. I support seperation of Church and State. Speaking of religion, I have my own very individual thoughts on it that I have come to over the years. They are definitely formed by me, not issued. They work for me usually, but the probably won’t for others, because other people have different needs than I do, and are in different circumstances. For those reasons and more, I will not express them on this thread. If people want to have a nice calm, peaceful, tolerant “expression of their own beliefs” thread, not an argument, that’s fine, but that’s a different thread.

You all are probably bored of reading this by now, so I’ll shut up. My apologies for the long post, as always, I apologize in advance if I have miswritten and offended anyone; that was not my intent. Have a good one, and just some thoughts…

[farmgirl]

Tane wrote:

I approach most things with logic and scientific reason. I'd like to think that I'm no dummy and that my education has been worth it. I'm 53 and have spent a considerable amount of time learning. I read for kicks. The imagination gets me high on life and drunk on reality; indeed, the endorphins and particularly the adrenaline released when using the imagination are drugs. Astrophysics and anthropology are my cocaine, genetics and philosophy my heroin. All four subjects, and many others, really do get my imagination going. Thinking is my fix. I actually think about the nature of thinking and thought. What I’m getting at here is that I am not issued stances; rather, I have thought about the issues, learned about them, and come to my own conclusions. I think most people here have done likewise, and fully understand that differences of opinion often come from differences of circumstances and situations. What benefits me might not benefit someone else, and I respect other’s right to voice their views the same as I voice mine.



Tane,
As always, you did a fine job of expressing your views in a clear, consise (for the number of issues covered, you were consise!) and inoffensive manner. You are a wise and thoughtful man.
I feel that clear thinking and calm, reasonable discourse is the only way that we can hope to accomplish anything. If we spend all of our time trying to shout a little louder than the guy who spoke ahead of us, what can we hope to achieve?
I have had some of the most productive discussions of my adult life with people who held views diametrically opposed to my own. It's when we realize that not everyone must think alike to be "okay," that we can begin to make things better.

Thanks for your perspective Tane.... if you weren't married... I'd just go ahead and ask you to run away with me right now. ;) (just checking to see if you're still reading) :)

[Haiw]

Damn junkie.

Now seriously...we need some politicians that learn to think in a proper way. But I guess the people that think are the ones that keep thinking, and the ones that want power are the ones getting into power. Alas, politics are doomed...

Maybe I'll enlighten you with my vision on the best solution when I'm bored with too many spare time on my hands...

[Tane Angle]

Aw, farmgirl, you are too kind. :hug: :D I just hope my good buddies here aren't jealous, I wouldn't want that. p-)

I know what you mean about conversations with people of different beliefs being so rewarding. I learn to analyze my own beliefs through conversations with others. For me, it helps because I get to see if I have any reasons for a lot of my beliefs. Whatever floats one's boat though.


Damn junkie. rofl I'm trying to quit, honestly.

Haiw, now you see what I do with my time on long train or plane rides. The internet goes everywhere with us, it's amazing. Don't worry, I actually read most of the time during those rides too, but when my eyes need a break or I need a wake up, I can check the internet. :D

Have a good one to you both.

[Marxist203]

Tane, you're views are top knotch...The US needs more serious political parties, so at least there are more seats in congress that accurately represent peoples views.

[Haiw]

Lucky bastard...My internal clock found it necessary to put drugging time into the category 'before you go asleep'. Really a bitch to fall asleep. :|

Now about internet; it's propably the best thing that could have ever happend to human thought and philosophy... It enables you to learn stuff and get to know things you would otherwise have no way of knowing, and it really helps seeing other perspectives and widening your own. I hereby officially deem it 'best thing since sliced bread'. :D

[Tane Angle]

I thought the message board consensus was that farmgirl was the best thing since sliced bread?

[farmgirl]

I thought the message board consensus was that farmgirl was the best thing since sliced bread?

:hug: Aw Tane.... you're the best. Are you sure you're happily married??? p-) ;)

[farmgirl]

Lucky bastard...My internal clock found it necessary to put drugging time into the category 'before you go asleep'. Really a bitch to fall asleep. :|

Now about internet; it's propably the best thing that could have ever happend to human thought and philosophy... It enables you to learn stuff and get to know things you would otherwise have no way of knowing, and it really helps seeing other perspectives and widening your own. I hereby officially deem it 'best thing since sliced bread'. :D

I have to agree with Haiw regarding the internet. The best thing about the net for me has been the chance to meet and converse with people that I would have otherwise never met. woot

That means all of you..... :) :hug:

[Haiw]

I thought the message board consensus was that farmgirl was the best thing since sliced bread?
Nah...farmgirl was the best thing since popcorn. Damn that memory of yours, you're getting old!

BTW, good to see someone's taking over California Joe's job during his absence. ;)

[Haiw]

I have to agree with Haiw regarding the internet. The best thing about the net for me has been the chance to meet and converse with people that I would have otherwise never met. woot

That means all of you..... :) :hug:
I wouldn't be so sure whether that's a good thing. ;)

[farmgirl]

I have to agree with Haiw regarding the internet. The best thing about the net for me has been the chance to meet and converse with people that I would have otherwise never met. woot

That means all of you..... :) :hug:
I wouldn't be so sure whether that's a good thing. ;)

There are days that I wonder about that myself.... but you boys usually redeem yourselves. :) All in all... I think it's a good thing. ;)

[James]

I think the internet is terrible. It has caused mental pollution on a worldwide scale!

I fear the future, any people that are different than me (a WASP American male), and especially anyone who challenges my beliefs.

Have a good one, and just some thoughts... :P

[StarvingStudent47]

I fear the future, any people that are different than me (a WASP American male), and especially anyone who challenges my beliefs.

That acronym always bothered me (White Anglo-Saxon Protestant). Has anyone ever met a Black Anglo-Saxon? Just wondering... ;)

[Tane Angle]

rofl I'm really starting to like this thread.

By the way, where is California Joe? He's much better at that moral support than me. I certainly don't want to step on his toes. :D I kinda miss the jokes.

[StarvingStudent47]

rofl I'm really starting to like this thread.

Oh, it'll all get even better in a couple hours when I start drinking :D

[farmgirl]

rofl I'm really starting to like this thread.

By the way, where is California Joe? He's much better at that moral support than me. I certainly don't want to step on his toes. :D I kinda miss the jokes.

Never fear Tane.... Joe will be back soon. Unless something has changed... he might be online tomorrow evening or Sunday. He went north to visit family for the holidays. It's been kinda quiet around here without him.. no?
You don't have to worry about stepping on Joe's toes... if no one else does it... he'll do it himself.... :D

[budanski]

I'm a bonafide pinko-commie leftist.

[Zach R.]

rofl I'm really starting to like this thread.

By the way, where is California Joe? He's much better at that moral support than me. I certainly don't want to step on his toes. :D I kinda miss the jokes.

Never fear Tane.... Joe will be back soon. Unless something has changed... he might be online tomorrow evening or Sunday. He went north to visit family for the holidays. It's been kinda quiet around here without him.. no?
You don't have to worry about stepping on Joe's toes... if no one else does it... he'll do it himself.... :D

Farmgirl, do you know California Joe? I mean, are you neighbors or what? BTW, I had the wierdest dream last night about you. We were in my garage with a couple'a cold ones and one thing led to another and........... rofl :D p-) ;) :lol: Enough emoticons yet?

[StarvingStudent47]

I'm a bonafide pinko-commie leftist.

:cantbeli: rofl

[Herrmannek]

I'm sure I'm not liberal...why because thier sword demagogy, I'm sick of populistic slogans :)

Intro: most of developed countrys hase neagtive natural growth with is ussualy bad thing esspecialy in social countrys when old lives on cost of young.

I'm against homo****** mariages and any benefits coming out from mariage to homo. pairs - institution of mariage was created not only to join people toghether, its main goal is to create proper enviroment for borning&rising children and as encouragement to do that. In case of homo. mariage main goal isn't fulfilled. So why bother...

Also homo****** adoption is ineffectual idea. Adoption isn't institution created for parents plesure, but for rising abandoned children in best conditions possible...with one big advantage...adoption has lowest social cost of doing that...No need for risking with homos when there is more normal families then children to adopt...

Abortion is big NO-NO, mainly from reasons stated above, ****s and pusys aren't for plesure, but plesure from using is to enccorage us to make children so if you were stupid or careles and got pregnant be happy, beacuase if not children there would be one plesure less for you. I would allow it only in hopeless casses nothing more...

No Drugs, soft hard or whatever...

I'm against that whole tolerance ****, this meaningless word is abused everyhere...esspecialy if somone will be subsidizeed from my money to do things no one else them him gains on it...In Poland contraceptives like condoms, pills, and foams will be subsidizeed from my money to prevent AIDS,unwanted-pregnants and such...If you can't afford or are to stupid to make *** don't do that..clear and simple...

....

[Haiw]

Farmgirl, do you know California Joe? I mean, are you neighbors or what? BTW, I had the wierdest dream last night about you. We were in my garage with a couple'a cold ones and one thing led to another and........... rofl :D p-) ;) :lol: Enough emoticons yet?
Please keep your dreams to yourself in the future... :|

[Haiw]

Geez Herrmannek you really want to take all fun out of life don't you? :|

[Herrmannek]

Geez Herrmannek you really want to take all fun out of life don't you? :|

rofl :petting:

[farmgirl]

rofl I'm really starting to like this thread.

By the way, where is California Joe? He's much better at that moral support than me. I certainly don't want to step on his toes. :D I kinda miss the jokes.

Never fear Tane.... Joe will be back soon. Unless something has changed... he might be online tomorrow evening or Sunday. He went north to visit family for the holidays. It's been kinda quiet around here without him.. no?
You don't have to worry about stepping on Joe's toes... if no one else does it... he'll do it himself.... :D

Farmgirl, do you know California Joe? I mean, are you neighbors or what? BTW, I had the wierdest dream last night about you. We were in my garage with a couple'a cold ones and one thing led to another and........... rofl :D p-) ;) :lol: Enough emoticons yet?

We just PM. He's become a friend through the board. I'm in Iowa... he lives out east.... big neighborhood! :)

So... one thing led to another.... and I forced you to write me a paper on Macbeth? 10 pages... typed... ;)

[Herrmannek]

So... one thing led to another.... and I forced you to write me a paper on Macbeth? 10 pages... typed... ;)

And that is ussual way flirts with teachears ends :)

[California Joe]

I'm her poolboy. *cue bad 70's **** music* ;)

[Ratamacue]

I try not to define myself, especially since I'm not really as educated in politics as the older members on the board. But if you insist, I think of myself as a liberal conservative.

[XTC]

Calling Anarchy a political party is like calling Athiesm a religion.

X2

[Herrmannek]

Maybe it's because of higher education standards in Europe? p-)
rofl , said a man who lives with parents because his country doesn't want to give him social apartment with networking and full fridge :)


I'm conservative, catholic, cpitalists believeing that peple deciding what to do with their money will do more good than country. I just believe in people solidarity not envorced caricature of it commies and socialist are trying to make.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

I'm that far left it's not funny. I'm more left then bloody Marx himself.

[Ichhabe]

Maybe it's because of higher education standards in Europe? p-)
rofl , said a man who lives with parents because his country doesn't want to give him social apartment with networking and full fridge :)


I'm conservative, catholic, cpitalists believeing that peple deciding what to do with their money will do more good than country. I just believe in people solidarity not envorced caricature of it commies and socialist are trying to make.

Seems like you are heavy on the bottle today. What if you tried to make sense for a change?

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

Actually, I make Lenin look like a member of the GOP

[Macs.]

I'm that far left it's not funny. I'm more left then bloody Marx himself. You are so left, that you are already right again.

[zonk]

republican

[wanderer]

- Other.

- I am for the respect of nature.
- I am for the safeguarding of the small villages and this way of life.
- I am for the free enterprise in human dimension in addition to that usual.
- the suppresion of alcohol and drugs.
- the fact of the maternity and the education of the children like a work with whole share. ;)
- And the compliance with the natural rules.
- I am for the reeducation of haiw. p-)

[Haiw]

- Other.

- I am for the respect of nature.
- I am for the safeguarding of the small villages and this way of life.
- I am for the free enterprise in human dimension in addition to that usual.
- the suppresion of alcohol and drugs.
- the fact of the maternity and the education of the children like a work with whole share. ;)
- And the compliance with the natural rules.
- I am for the reeducation of haiw. p-)
Actually, as shown in my knowledge of the English language, my education is fine. You on the other hand might think of taking a few courses. :P

[[AFSOC]]

I'm that far left it's not funny. I'm more left then bloody Marx himself. You are so left, that you are already right again.

shut up net face ;)

[bloddyaxe]

I'm a national traditionalist libertarian imperialist

[Macs.]

I am a Nazi-Communist.

[wanderer]

I am a Nazi-Communist.
nazi is socialist and communist too p-)

[wanderer]

- Other.

- I am for the respect of nature.
- I am for the safeguarding of the small villages and this way of life.
- I am for the free enterprise in human dimension in addition to that usual.
- the suppresion of alcohol and drugs.
- the fact of the maternity and the education of the children like a work with whole share. ;)
- And the compliance with the natural rules.
- I am for the reeducation of haiw. p-)
Actually, as shown in my knowledge of the English language, my education is fine. You on the other hand might think of taking a few courses. :P

In any case, you is gifted to react in your answers

[Thor]

Maybe it's because of higher education standards in Europe?
You're funny. It's just ignorant or lazy ass trash people who vote for socialist parties.


Giving money YOU earned to others? I'm sorry, I don't quite understand?
No, and thats why you are a kommunistfitta som förtjänar ett nackskott.


I would like to know if you have read the works of Marx and Engels?
Do you have a particular interest in jewish litterature or what?


Ah, well...the US is one of few countrys in the world were in certain states, schools have forbinned the works of Darwin and dinosaur books.
Thats the nice thing about America. They dont have a government that forces people to believe one thing and send political dissidents to jail.

If some people want to believe that the earth was created in 7 days, thats their perogative. If you think otherwise you have the right to disagree. I wish Sweden was a free country as well.


It means I belive that the industrial factors should be controlled by the people, and not by an elite minoritey.
How about people control whats theirs? I have no responsibility for you and you have no responsibility for me.


It's people being selfish, they'd rather have their freedom of choosing wether to have colgate or pepsodent toothbrushes rather than letting everyone get the same (which logo you now would wish for).
Where the **** did all these commie bastards come from all the sudden. Have they all been hiding in some dark dungeon at mp.net?

No, its you who want to steal my money. I dont give a **** about you and your lazy ass friend. Get a job, get an education and you wont be poor. Equal opportunity? Yes. Steal my hard earned money so that everyone can be equally poor? No.

Commie bastards need to take some economics classes.


But after 30, I became drawn more and more to the Conservative side untill I decided that giving vote to a political party was the worst that I could do.
At least in Sweden theres a saying "if you're not to the left when you're young you dont have a heart, if you're not to the right when youre older you have no brain".

[futurepilot2004]

uber-eurowussie liberal :D

[Brozozo]

Conservative-Republican here, even though I can't even vote for the Republicans. Also kind of neo-con but minus the whole "Viva Israel rah-rah" thing.

[jon]

Saranof wrote:
Ah, well...the US is one of few countrys in the world were in certain states, schools have forbinned the works of Darwin and dinosaur books.

Thats the nice thing about America. They dont have a government that forces people to believe one thing and send political dissidents to jail.

If some people want to believe that the earth was created in 7 days, thats their perogative. If you think otherwise you have the right to disagree. I wish Sweden was a free country as well.

Are you saying that it's ok to teach the children whatever the school likes?




El'Potato wrote:
It's people being selfish, they'd rather have their freedom of choosing wether to have colgate or pepsodent toothbrushes rather than letting everyone get the same (which logo you now would wish for).

Where the f*** did all these commie bastards come from all the sudden. Have they all been hiding in some dark dungeon at mp.net?

No, its you who want to steal my money. I dont give a f*** about you and your lazy ass friend. Get a job, get an education and you wont be poor. Equal opportunity? Yes. Steal my hard earned money so that everyone can be equally poor? No.

Commie bastards need to take some economics classes.

I don't think anyone want to steal you're hard earned money, but does a excecutive director work more than three times harder than an upholsterer?

[Karmapolice]

At least in Sweden theres a saying "if you're not to the left when you're young you dont have a heart, if you're not to the right when youre older you have no brain".

Thats good ole Winston Churchill right there.

I cannot label my self in a party or a side; my views are not that strict to just be open to one side seeing as I like to view things from many different angles and not with horse blinders. For me to describe my feelings on this issue would take entirely too long and bore some people. Tane Angle I would love to sit down with you and converse about all sorts of different kid of topics your some one who would actually be able to hold a conversation not get pissed and try to cram your views down my throat because mine don’t agree with you (not saying they don't ;)) or one of those people who cant even converse at all.

[Knutsen]

I'm with Ichhabe, i can't give my vote to a political party. I never look at the parties, i look at what they can offer me at the time.
For example , for my town i voted blank cause i didn't like any of the candidates, for my region i voted PSOE but for general election i voted PP cause (yes, it will surprise you if you read my posts) i don't like Zapatero and many of his policies.
It may sound as a contradiction having voted for PP , but my ideas are close to the left in many issues. In fact i would vote for IU (communists) but as long as they keep their current leader i will never do it . Gaspar Llamazares is the worst leader i've ever seen.

[askDNA]

to make it short
Social: Conservative
Economic: Moderate
Environmental: Liberal
Anti-abortion
Anti-DP
Pro-Israel


Teddy Roosevelt is my hero :P

[Herrmannek]

Maybe it's because of higher education standards in Europe? p-)
rofl , said a man who lives with parents because his country doesn't want to give him social apartment with networking and full fridge :)


I'm conservative, catholic, cpitalists believeing that peple deciding what to do with their money will do more good than country. I just believe in people solidarity not envorced caricature of it commies and socialist are trying to make.

Seems like you are heavy on the bottle today. What if you tried to make sense for a change?
I don't drink... People in USA are more generous than any forced tax strangled payers(including taxes) in europe, you don't realise that yet, but you leave on deficite bomb and even early&broad euthanasia will not help...

[mack pl]

social democrat





whatever that means :lol:

[Hawkeye]

Commie-anarchist (yeah, bite me)

[Hawkeye]

I just believe in people solidarity

rofl

Wake up son, you're alive! :lol: :lol:

[Hawkeye]

Blablablablablabla

IRA is my best friend

Blablablablabla.

[Caesar]

Bloc Québécois

[nognig]

Maybe it's because of higher education standards in Europe? p-)
Yup, indeed!;)

Typical response from a socialist/communist:

"If you were as educated and smart as I am, you would understand why I need to control so many aspects of your life. You couldn't take care of yourself without me!"

Uhh huh!

NN

[Brozozo]

Bloc Québécois
Pro or anti seperatism?

There are both types...

where is the fascist option

[Brozozo]

What's anarchism all about? Lack of an organized gov't?

[Caesar]

Bloc Québécois
Pro or anti seperatism?

There are both types...

There's only one type that counts. The rest vote for the Liberals.

Personnaly, I am for the cause and I will support the separatist only if they offer me a structured plan of a free Quebec. By structured, I mean what will happen next... Founding a new country is not an easy task.

[Brozozo]

Bloc Québécois
Pro or anti seperatism?

There are both types...

There's only one type that counts. The rest vote for the Liberals.

Personnaly, I am for the cause and I will support the separatist only if they offer me a structured plan of a free Quebec. By structured, I mean what will happen next... Founding a new country is not an easy task.

I'm pro-seperatist as well, but I'm not French-Canandian. :D :D


J/K, I really don't give a ****.

[EvanL]

seperatists will come crying back to Canada if they ever seperate.

[Caesar]

seperatists will come crying back to Canada if they ever seperate.

Funny how you were crying in 1995 to bring us back to Canada. ;)

[EvanL]

seperatists will come crying back to Canada if they ever seperate.

Funny how you were crying in 1995 to bring us back to Canada. ;)
Was i crying?

[Brozozo]

seperatists will come crying back to Canada if they ever seperate.

Funny how you were crying in 1995 to bring us back to Canada. ;)
Was i crying? :)

[Caesar]

seperatists will come crying back to Canada if they ever seperate.

Funny how you were crying in 1995 to bring us back to Canada. ;)
Was i crying?

Are you an English Canadian, if so, then yes.