New 4x4 to the spanish military contest of Light 4x4

[Loco]

It´s made by Urovesa,
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SgC*Al4XqYZ0PmuJbCJDJ1uP4uG1fym62SEaWiqoXEl42yJyLO0TZeSPMHSc7OMBiH1daRK*IepwwvZd*B8ufki*4hkr7nrJX9Cgkg6Szh07tmhooG4ajw/Fotovamtl.jpg?dc=4675453585762536304
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SwDYArAXiaDbAf06AU84kicp!Htc8HhXctz*e!372fTzyw9quqZKhsCL3MjRzALEaaGf2M1RCOfbfsCfUw5GN6ciKKAmcMRzeDkny4n!mUCKvo!bYmmVPA/fotovamtl2.jpg?dc=4675453585798400872
Courtesy of Tango010, http://www.b2g2.com/boards/board.cgi?action=read&id=1072869771&user=FAS

[spectre5]

Cute, and looks quite effective.

t.
Antti Korpela

[mustamato]

I like the size. Something like this would probably be usefull in the Nordic countries as well, while the Humvee is too wide.

[George W. Bush]

nothx

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Im still waiting for a country to make Toyota 4x4's as there truck. You could probably hold alot more people in a 80's 4 Runner then you can in most of these vehicles plus they are easy to maintan.

[mustamato]

Im still waiting for a country to make Toyota 4x4's as there truck. You could probably hold alot more people in a 80's 4 Runner then you can in most of these vehicles plus they are easy to maintan.

Yeah they can be used to much.

http://www.thesahara.net/taliban-reut.jpeg
http://www.ciriello.com/site/pix/46/460347.jpg
http://www.ciriello.com/site/pix/46/461149.jpg
http://www.ciriello.com/site/pix/46/460193.jpg

Not sure though if they are rugged enough, they are made for the civilian market after all. And up here north they seem to be too "light" even for being light trucks.

Here is a picture from one wonderfull game :D The one one the left, "Masi" is the standard light truck used in Finland. Can carry 33 persons (safely) and also be used as a platform for anti-aircraft weapons such as the Zu-23-2. The one on the right is Rasi, the standard heavy truck. Masi is really more a medium truck, but I guess they don´t find any use for lighter trucks than those in FDF.

http://koti.mbnet.fi/~fdfmod/newspics/masi2.jpg

[HumanShield]

looks like a pussy humvee

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Ya you call those dudes in the back of the Toyota's pussies and lets see how far your "humanshield" nickname goes with em.
Toyotas are dependable as hell, they can take quite the harsh amount of abuse. Maybe one day there will be an offical Toyota that will be used for military purpose's....I hope to see that day woot

[SOG]

i think he was refering to the spanish 4x4 bud not the toyota since it doesnt resemble a humv.

[[AFSOC]]

Ya you call those dudes in the back of the Toyota's pussies and lets see how far your "humanshield" nickname goes with em.
Toyotas are dependable as hell, they can take quite the harsh amount of abuse. Maybe one day there will be an offical Toyota that will be used for military purpose's....I hope to see that day woot

Canada uses GM's in the CF and there also lookin into Nissan's pickup.

[REMOV]

Maybe one day there will be an offical Toyota that will be used for military purpose's....I hope to see that dayThis one? ;)
http://members.aol.com/tankofjapan/T043.jpg
http://fortus.hp.infoseek.co.jp/tank/jgsdf1604_lg.JPG
Toyota HMV

[digrar]

I wouldn't mind a Landcruiser based varient but Hiluxs just aren't tough enough through the drive train.
Lower the low range gearing in the cruiser, keep the turbo diesel (I know the Australian Army would just love to stick a 3 litre 4 cyl diesel so they could get better fuel efficiency and make the top speed between 110kmh and 115 kmh), throw in some diff locks, make the approach and departure angles better and the Cruiser would be looking good.

[MARINO]

Is a small version of REBECO
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0VADUAmobGsFRXB*MzTq0bwq7AY6XtYnwjmPn6acRaQFjG253kPn6vuO*NRss90rXyA0PD9uG7GLVR3aaLZ2uMJAU9k9hdfijQp4VW3!T4Xl*tYOYgloDbbMbqkle605O/blindado.jpg?dc=4675443027985285053
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http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0XwDBGnQffyvVdd50qj8hKqMi5Rfn5zqaLwhjQSbJXeATer8SkcbpX7W0SCvNG21whYt5TNpBJ7R7We78xsAcg6dN9Pf5OS*a1ZvhPCnC!vqleAqnEpyl!uM!uUXCh5IBdTOgh!qSRaU/shelter%2Bgenerador.jpg?dc=4675443028115008973
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[MolliG]

Not sure though if they are rugged enough, they are made for the civilian market after all. And up here north they seem to be too "light" even for being light trucks.

Well they can survive being pushed out to sea, then found full of silt and started up again with a few basic tools and a mechanic. They can survive driving through a number of sheds, then having a caravan dropped on them. They can also (for the most part) survive fire... And they can survive a drop from the top of an old '60s high-rise flat complex which is being detonated/collapsed.

:lol:

Brits who watch Top Gear will know what I'm on about ;)...

[Loco]

The contest for spanish Army will be this year, and the competitors are UROVESA with the Uro vehicle, SANTANA MOTOR with the Aníbal and LAND ROVER with the Defender. The price of the contract is about 150 million euros, and is supposed to replace a fleet of 8.000 light 4x4 in the next 10 years.
This contest is for LIGHT 4x4, so this new vehicles don´t compete with such as Hummies or Rebecos, since this are biggers cars, in fact, spanish army is well equiped with new vehicles in this segment.

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Yes Remov thanks for the Toyota pictures, do you know were I can get some info on these Toyotas?

[MolliG]

http://fortus.hp.infoseek.co.jp/tank/jgsdf1604_lg.JPG

Nice touch the Nihon Rikujyo Jieitai 'flower' badge :lol:.

[Falco]

A lot of compagnies seem to have inspired them self of the Humvee

[REMOV]

Yes Remov thanks for the Toyota pictures, do you know were I can get some info on these Toyotas?Well... this is Toyota HMV (High Mobility Vehicle) called: "Squall", or just military model of Toyota Mega Cruiser ;)

Weight 2 550 kg,
Length: 4,91 m,
Height: 2,35 m,
Width: 2,15 m,
Minimum turning radius: 5,60 m,
Engine: 4-cyl water cooling Diesel 150HP/3400rpm,
Max speed: 125km/h,
Capacity: 10 men + 700 kg

http://www15.tok2.com/home/lttom/military-powers_jgsdf/other/hmv-007.jpg
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http://www15.tok2.com/home/lttom/military-powers_jgsdf/other/hmv/hmv-002.jpg
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http://www.geocities.co.jp/Playtown-Denei/1808/img/p9110016.jpg
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http://www.geocities.co.jp/Playtown-Denei/1808/img/p9110018.jpg
http://www5b.biglobe.ne.jp/~megukin/koukidou1.jpg
http://www.jda.go.jp/jgsdf/ftp/hmmv-01m.jpg
http://www.jda.go.jp/jgsdf/info/image/so17b.jpg

Source: http://www15.tok2.com/home/lttom/military-powers_jgsdf/other/hmv.htm

[He219]

Nice JGSDF pic's, REMOV.
Szczesliwego Nowego roku!
:D

Say...

http://www.thesahara.net/taliban-reut.jpeg
What is the date of this photo, mustamato? Those appear to be Stinger MANPADs (to me). I am aware the Mujahads had Stingers from the CIA during the Russian war, but are there confirmations that the Taliban had aquired them. Also the batteries would have to be replaced over the 10 years it took the Taliban to win control of Afghanistan. Can anybody corroberate?

As for Toyotas, weren't they used effectively by Chad with anti-tank weapons during the Lybian invasion, charging Tanks from opposite directions in the 1987 battle for the control of the Aozou (http://www.american.edu/projects/mandala/TED/ice/AOZOU.HTM) oasis?


:D

[REMOV]

Szczesliwego Nowego Roku!Thanks! Same to you (and all of you). Happy New Year!!!
(I found remains of champagne, so...) Cheers! :D

I'm impressed, He219, your Polish is amazing! The best quality as usual! ;)

[mustamato]

http://www.thesahara.net/taliban-reut.jpeg
What is the date of this photo, mustamato? Those appear to be Stinger MANPADs (to me). I am aware the Mujahads had Stingers from the CIA during the Russian war, but are there confirmations that the Taliban had aquired them. Also the batteries would have to be replaced over the 10 years it took the Taliban to win control of Afghanistan. Can anybody corroberate?

Oh I think that those are talibans all right. One word: Pakistan. This is quite interesting. All knows that CIA distributed Stingers to mujahediins in Afghanistan, but they did it thru Pakistan. It is quite obvious that they copied the technology used in the Stinger, their own Anza MkII seems to be a little of a mixture between soviet SA-7´s and Stinger if I have understood it correctly. After the Soviets left the CIA tried to gather up all the Stingers but (obviously) failed. Where did Pakistan get the batteries (that they later must have supplied to the talibans)? Did the CIA make a fresh supply or were these obtained from the Chinese? China, as some reports published some years ago say, bought the Stinger technology from the CIA and are now producing replicas of their own. One thing is for sure, there are new batteries and spareparts coming in from somewhere. In the Kargil War (about Kashmir) as late as 1999 a Indian MiG-27 was shot down by a Stinger.

Below of an another example of chinese/pakistani assistance?

http://www.ciriello.com/site/pix/46/461042.jpg
http://www.ciriello.com/site/pix/46/461244.jpg
http://www.ciriello.com/site/pix/46/461055.jpg
These rockets travel somehow disguised as "Parts of Bulldozer"

[fantassin]

Question for the Spaniards: the Tercio de Armada, do they use Hummers or Rebeco? I have seen a picture of them during the Allied response exercise held in Turkey last November and I could not see whether it was a TOW Humvee or a TOW Rebeco they were using.

Gracias.

[MARINO]

In tercio de Armada they use Hummer and Nissan patrol.

[fantassin]

Gracias Marino. Do they still use CVR(T) Scorpions too?

[MARINO]

They still use Scorpions but as you know they had buy 19 piranhas, they pretend to buy near 40 some of them to replace scorpions with a 25 mm torret gun.: D yeah Piranha 3 Ilove

[fantassin]

Gracias otra vez...do you know if some members of the TEAR attends the EMMOE in Jaca like the Ejercito SF does?

[Vance]

Cute, and looks quite effective.

t.
Antti Korpela
Haha

[Loco]

Gracias otra vez...do you know if some members of the TEAR attends the EMMOE in Jaca like the Ejercito SF does?
I´d like to answer that, but I don´t know. But I suppose yes because TEAR has their own group of SForces, and probably they go to Jaca for some type of training, even it´s a mountain field.
You can ask it here, in spanish and english too, and sure you´ll have a quick answer:
http://www.boards2go.com/boards/board.cgi?user=morato

[jlanni]

i find it funny how most military equpiment eventually evolves in to something that looks alot like something the americans have already put in to service and battle tested to quality IE: that thing lookin like a hummer.. i believe the chinese are puttin soemthign together that looks like a hummer... then the russians tank i dont remember the name of it looks exactly like a abrams except for the few russian trade mark features.

[MARINO]

Loco is right the Spanish marines SF goes to Jaca to EMMOE but only to high mountain training even they don't need it really, because in case of high mountain training the troops involved would be Mountain Rangers and Army SF, and not marines SF.

[Loco]

i find it funny how most military equpiment eventually evolves in to something that looks alot like something the americans have already put in to service and battle tested to quality IE: that thing lookin like a hummer.. i believe the chinese are puttin soemthign together that looks like a hummer... then the russians tank i dont remember the name of it looks exactly like a abrams except for the few russian trade mark features.
...ehhhr, mechanics is different, but yes, Hummer was an inspiration, you did a good product!
take a look:
http://www.urovesa.es/

[MARINO]

Here you have all the candidates to new spanish light 4x4
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RgDSAnMVPP7HvUtiMLW!9OxdL6Ce2AgpBWNoedYDImgAIAVM*fzLVqhhqC0SDCe5jKdHo8HkrCfPfCZ4gBPpaoocnIPUJZFPU1eM7rjyFgo/colage.JPG?dc=4675454015523856569

[MolliG]

Here you have all the candidates to new spanish light 4x4
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0RgDSAnMVPP7HvUtiMLW!9OxdL6Ce2AgpBWNoedYDImgAIAVM*fzLVqhhqC0SDCe5jKdHo8HkrCfPfCZ4gBPpaoocnIPUJZFPU1eM7rjyFgo/colage.JPG?dc=4675454015523856569

I doubt they're going to even trial a Defender limited edition type model ;) :lol:. A military model yes, not a civilian one :).

[scoone]

I've read that they are going to evaluate the Annibal Santana. Do you know something about it?

[mustamato]

Im still waiting for a country to make Toyota 4x4's as there truck. You could probably hold alot more people in a 80's 4 Runner then you can in most of these vehicles plus they are easy to maintan.

http://wwwi.*******.com/images/2004-01-03T060718Z_01_KAB01D_RTRIDSP_2_AFGHAN-CONSTITUTION.jpg

Like the camo on this Toyota(?).

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Dude that Toyota is outta control :D
It doesnt look like any "backyard" type paint job either so they must have put some time into it.

[fantassin]

Gracias to loco and Marino. Do you know if the spanish version of "RAIDS" by soldipress still exists and if it's possible to order it from abroad?

[MARINO]

It still exist, i hove some lasts nº i will find the C.P. wait...

[MARINO]

You can for europe 30Euros by ground 50 by air
America 30??? 80

C/Benito Gutiérrez 6.28008 Madrid. Tel 91 5435709 fax 915494959

[786mine]

It´s made by Urovesa,
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SgC*Al4XqYZ0PmuJbCJDJ1uP4uG1fym62SEaWiqoXEl42yJyLO0TZeSPMHSc7OMBiH1daRK*IepwwvZd*B8ufki*4hkr7nrJX9Cgkg6Szh07tmhooG4ajw/Fotovamtl.jpg?dc=4675453585762536304
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SwDYArAXiaDbAf06AU84kicp!Htc8HhXctz*e!372fTzyw9quqZKhsCL3MjRzALEaaGf2M1RCOfbfsCfUw5GN6ciKKAmcMRzeDkny4n!mUCKvo!bYmmVPA/fotovamtl2.jpg?dc=4675453585798400872
Courtesy of Tango010, http://www.b2g2.com/boards/board.cgi?action=read&id=1072869771&user=FAS

Looks like a **** box! Way small.

[big80a2]

Not sure though if they are rugged enough, they are made for the civilian market after all. And up here north they seem to be too "light" even for being light trucks.

Well they can survive being pushed out to sea, then found full of silt and started up again with a few basic tools and a mechanic. They can survive driving through a number of sheds, then having a caravan dropped on them. They can also (for the most part) survive fire... And they can survive a drop from the top of an old '60s high-rise flat complex which is being detonated/collapsed.

:lol:

Brits who watch Top Gear will know what I'm on about ;)...


yeah saw that one woot p-)

[Loco]

I read that contest finished today, but still isn´t known the winner.

[MARINO]

I bet by URO,, cause my teacher of Algebre, Gen. Fernandez Riestra make the final choose and president of URO is his friend(is what happened with VAMTAC)

[Loco]

Ok, Marino, of what I know the vehicle I most like is URO, but I hope the only reason for being chosen is not a matter of friendship but of quality.

[MARINO]

I hope also, and if it's URO even if it is by friendship i will be happy :D

[soma]

Pfftt, us Canadian will be rolling in our Mercedes!

[foxtrot023]

It´s made by Urovesa,
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SgC*Al4XqYZ0PmuJbCJDJ1uP4uG1fym62SEaWiqoXEl42yJyLO0TZeSPMHSc7OMBiH1daRK*IepwwvZd*B8ufki*4hkr7nrJX9Cgkg6Szh07tmhooG4ajw/Fotovamtl.jpg?dc=4675453585762536304
http://groups.msn.com/_Secure/0SwDYArAXiaDbAf06AU84kicp!Htc8HhXctz*e!372fTzyw9quqZKhsCL3MjRzALEaaGf2M1RCOfbfsCfUw5GN6ciKKAmcMRzeDkny4n!mUCKvo!bYmmVPA/fotovamtl2.jpg?dc=4675453585798400872
Courtesy of Tango010, http://www.b2g2.com/boards/board.cgi?action=read&id=1072869771&user=FAS

Looks like a **** box! Way small.

Jeez dude, don`t you read the title of the thread? it is a LIGHT 4X4, hummers and others need not apply

[Ian H]

Any word on who won yet?

PS: go Land Rover!!