Russian Photos from Chechen

[Pandy]

A member in my clan (Intel Combat Marines) just got back from Chechen, heres some of his photos.


Here we camping and drinking hot tea to keep as warm:)

http://ofp.ussr-online.net/images/ch/1.jpg

This one i made near Groznyi capital of Chechnja
Writing says: "Remember the Allah"
http://ofp.ussr-online.net/images/ch/2.jpg

Artellery implacement high on mountain
http://ofp.ussr-online.net/images/ch/3.jpg

My guys:)
http://ofp.ussr-online.net/images/ch/4.jpg

Well..no comments
http://ofp.ussr-online.net/images/ch/5.jpg

Im on the far right
http://ofp.ussr-online.net/images/ch/6.jpg

Base:)
http://ofp.ussr-online.net/images/ch/7.jpg

Thru the "forrest"
http://ofp.ussr-online.net/images/ch/8.jpg

Russian Rambo:)
http://ofp.ussr-online.net/images/ch/9.jpg

Iniameen Massarky is a Captain in the Russian Army.

[mustamato]

Great photos!

http://ofp.ussr-online.net/images/ch/6.jpg

As I have understood it many soldiers buy equipment with their own money. Mostly russian equipment though, but is those snowsuits german?

[Pandy]

I'll ask him :)

[George W. Bush]

I think you're a liar because I've seen those photos before

[Pandy]

well, here, i'll move the topic on my fourms and put a link up, sec.

http://ofpicmb.proboards19.com/index.cgi?board=Public&action=display&num=1072974529 here you go.

[intelligenzija]

cannot imagine that isn't fake..

[usa320]

it has a bad wiff to it if you ask me.

[simple jumper]

I've been reading a book about an american mujahideen who goes to Chechnya to fight a jihad...it's pretty interresting, I recommend it to all!
title: My Jihad by Colin Aukin

[kutter]

As I have understood it many soldiers buy equipment with their own money. Mostly russian equipment though, but is those snowsuits german?

Possible it may be German but most likely it's Russian. The snow camos in the picture may be the 'KLAKSA' ground troops camoflauge suit which looks very similar to German snow camos. Heres a pic of the KLAKSA
http://www.rusmilitary.com/images/klaksa1.jpg

[Macs.]

Why do some of this pictures have different quality ?
Why do all pictures have different sizes ?

I think its a fake.

[George W. Bush]

it's very very very fake and the guy who is posing should really have some respect for real warriors

[Macs.]

http://ofp.ussr-online.net/images/ch/5.jpg

On all other photos you can see snow, but on this photo is not snow. Strange, eh ?

Also, his ""wife"" writes that he just went to chechya at dec 11th and on the 2nd january this guy is back from chechnya?!?
I dont know much about the russian army, but I dont think that a "normal" soldier comes back after 1 month.

[Fulix]

Pandy... the name of your friend is Associated Press? rofl


Why the hell you lose your time doing this... :roll:

[Haiw]

Somehow these 2 photo's look very familiar...

http://ofp.ussr-online.net/images/ch/2.jpg
http://ofp.ussr-online.net/images/ch/6.jpg

[usa320]

these DO look like AP photos ive seen a few of before...

[Clay]

inless your friend is the camera, Your friend is BSing you I have seen this picture before.
http://ofp.ussr-online.net/images/ch/9.jpg

[Dalleer]

As I have understood it many soldiers buy equipment with their own money. Mostly russian equipment though, but is those snowsuits german?

As Mr. kutter already responded, the Russians truly seem to have a very similar looking snow-camouflage suit with the Germans.

I've even seen one on sale some years ago.

[ShotOver]

*sniff* *sniff*

Smells like Bull**** to me

[Dalleer]

http://www.rusmilitary.com/html/c-wear_winter1.htm

Scroll a few ways down where it says: "KLAKSA' ground troops camouflage suit (jacket & trousers)"

So this confirms that the Russians have a very similar looking snowsuit in action as the German army does.

Is this even necessary?

[intelligenzija]

Ive not just seen these photos before, I have them on my HDD: file created Samstag, 22. November 2003, 20:13:24 (Saturday 11.22.2003)

fakes are lame

[usa320]

The pungent odor of bull**** is gone and now a sweet smell of ownage wofts upon the forum.

[Kingpin]

Pics not fake.
Story is fake. Pics itself very old Chechen photos.

[Javehn]

Not nice , guy !
The link to those photos is posted on this site - "another photo sites" thread .
http://www.pbase.com/igor01/chechnya

On the first page you will find most of the pictures .
Some people just take airsoft too much seriosly .. :roll:

[Dalleer]

I found this rather interesting photo from the site, and I was a bit amazed by their "equipment level"...



http://mishami.image.pbase.com/u19/igor01/upload/8875178.08.jpg

What units are these people? they just seem pretty well equipped for a....Russian soldier.

[Dmitri]

Where's the picture?

[GazB]

What do you mean by pretty well equipped?

They have helmets, body armour and webbing and rifles over their shoulders. What were you expecting? Bare naked and unarmed?

[Fulix]

I dont got this: "well equiped for a russian soldier..."
They DO have great equipments! If you dont know about russian military, dont say this things... :slap:

The guys, seems to me, to be VDV (paras) soldiers... and like GazB said: with body armor, rifles, helmets... but i would say that the vest is Vytiaz.

CYA

[Macs.]

I dont got this: "well equiped for a russian soldier..."
They DO have great equipments! If you dont know about russian military, dont say this things... :slap:

The guys, seems to me, to be VDV (paras) soldiers... and like GazB said: with body armor, rifles, helmets... but i would say that the vest is Vytiaz.

CYA

The russian infantry in chechya doesn't has good equipment, some of them are even wearing sport shoes. :bash:

[Russian Texan]

Macs, what exactly is good equipment? If you mean that majority of the infantry doesn't have GPS navigation equipment and NVG and cell phones (insert sarcasm) - then yes, they are ill equiped.
BTW, your comment about tennis shoes just shows how clueless you are... T
Tennis shoes are much more comfortable and easier on your feet than army boots.

[Javehn]

Sport shoes are much better , then army shoes . That's fact . Specially then Russian leg killing boots . And they are pretty good equipt , more or less. Offcorse , not to western standart , but it's good for they neads .
Try to ask German Bundeswehr officer to navigate without his GPS . He will turn blue , and then fart and die ..

[Whistler]

Obviously sport shoes are more comfortable than army boots, but sport shoes fall apart in two days of military use.

The military build special boots for a reason, not because they like being uncomfortable.

[16 OBr SpN]

Sport shoes are a cheap alternative to better army boots.
That's why they are worn. Besides, they are more comfortable in the urban terrain.
Although I can't imagine a guy "working" in the mountains in the sport shoes. The guy bill break his legs in a matter of hours! :lol:

As for the picture, I don't see any fancy equipment. Just a picture of guys from VDV in the 2nd Chechen war.

Regards,
16 OBr SpN

[Dalleer]

Well well well...look at the crowd that has gathered in.

Firstly, let me just say that my comment regarding the Russian equipment level was a bit hasty. Now of course the Russian armed forces have high quality and durable equipment in their stocks, it's just that I have not seen any photos of Russian troops being equipped this well before in Chechnya.

However, the Russian troops in Chechnya do look pretty horrible even today. The equipment level could be better, and personally, I think that the use of "sport shoes" in the field seems rather poor, but if they work better than the "Russian leg killing boots" then you should use anything that does the job.





They DO have great equipments! If you dont know about russian military, dont say this things...


I'm sorry to say this, but they way you wrote these few sentences makes you sound like a lame bastard. Now you are of course right about the fact that I should not be talking about things I know absolutely nothing about but somehow you just made yourself look like a person who came here to "participate in the verbal lashing" without anything really constructive to say.

Further, I would've appreciated comments from the Russians in this board concerning the matter, and so happened, but the likes of this "Fulix" should just drop dead, in my opinion.

[intelligenzija]

Helsinki rox! woot

[Dmitri]

However, the Russian troops in Chechnya do look pretty horrible even today. Well, you gotta remember that VDV are not your ordinary soldiers, they are usually better equipped and look more high-speed.

[Undo]

Also, Russian attitude toward "uniform" is very different than western. They just think of them as work clothes and don't really care if they match or look like the rest of thier unit, etc. To westerners it seems unprofessional, but I doubt they care much. Maybe now that they are phasing out the conscript army they will start to look more 'professional.'

Russian tactical vests are the best in the world, in my opinion, and all Russian textile gear is very high quality.

[RomanS]

Actually the sports shoes Rock. Especially the Adidas ones.

I have to agree with Undo about our vests. They are much better then western ones I've tried. There are some very nice ones from Black Hawk Industries, but if I had to choose between a regular "put your mags in 'n'go" I would take the GRAD by ANA.

As for shoes, the regular "OBLEGCHENKA" for summer in my opinion is very comfy and reliabale.

In Chechnya MVD units would usually bring their own gear that they buy from SPLAV or ANA. With a huge discount of course. But in other situations , this one is for the Russian crowd

16SPN , remember this?

"Forma nomer 8 , chto ne spizdyat, to i nosim."

As for the Chechen warrior here, lol. At least have some more research before posting the photos here.

[Javehn]

A mozhno eto poyasnit malenko ? Forma nomer 8 , chto ne spizdyat to i nosim ? Horosho zvuchit , odnako .

[RomanS]

Uniform Size number 8, what hasen't been stolen yet, thats what we wear.

[Javehn]

Thank you for translation . I wanted to know in what context it's said .

Eta fotografia uzhe s moyey rodini , eto uzhe nash tonkiy yumor .

http://waronline.procentr.org/Waronline_photo/gaza-or.jpg

[Dalleer]

As for the Chechen warrior here, lol. At least have some more research before posting the photos here.

How about giving it a rest already? I am perfectly aware of my mistake in the matter and I have already endured a quite wholesome verbal group lashing from several sources. There is no need for you to prolong this, and especially mock me with that "Chechen warrior" nonsense since I have never really identified myself as a "expert" in the matter, instead I've already said that my view of the Russian armed forces and its equipment level was wrong, and that my experience is limited to news images only (where I have seen Russian soldiers in rather "questionable"quality of equipment in Chechnya, but never mind that now that we got that particular matter solved).

You are right that I should have done more research before posting that image, but this "Chechen warrior" crap you gave me is completely needless since I have already explained myself and clearly admitted that I was wrong and the whole sentence that I wrote down should have been rephrased.

I suppose that some of you must really enjoy this now?

[Undo]

Slow down, hot rod. I think the 'chechen warrior' they were referring to was the mook from pandy or paddy or whoevers clan. The guy who claims to have been there but whose home address is from Estonia. If he was there, he wasn't fighting on the Russian side unless he was Kontraktniki. Anyway, I don't think they were talking to you, so you may want to tone it down.

/

As for the Chechen warrior here, lol. At least have some more research before posting the photos here.

How about giving it a rest already? I am perfectly aware of my mistake in the matter and I have already endured a quite wholesome verbal group lashing from several sources. There is no need for you to prolong this, and especially mock me with that "Chechen warrior" nonsense since I have never really identified myself as a "expert" in the matter, instead I've already said that my view of the Russian armed forces and its equipment level was wrong, and that my experience is limited to news images only (where I have seen Russian soldiers in rather "questionable"quality of equipment in Chechnya, but never mind that now that we got that particular matter solved).

You are right that I should have done more research before posting that image, but this "Chechen warrior" crap you gave me is completely needless since I have already explained myself and clearly admitted that I was wrong and the whole sentence that I wrote down should have been rephrased.

I suppose that some of you must really enjoy this now?

[Dmitri]

Javehn, LOL. Do you need translation for that one? ;)

[Javehn]

No , thank you . I am quite aware of that language , don't worry . ;)
I would also preffer it would remain untranslated . ;) ;) ;)

ништак , ара-э ??

[Dmitri]

I would also preffer it would remain untranslated .
I agree, plus I don't think westernerst would understand it anyway.
KRUTO!! :P

[Javehn]

And another one for you , courtesy of Javehn (C) -

"Служи солдат как дед служил
а дед на службу ...хммм , хммм ... хер ложил " - мягко говоря .

Or how about that one :

"Po tanku vdarila bolvanka
i yobnulo ves ekipazh
4 trupa vozle tanka
nu kak vam utreniy peyzazh ? "

Peace , nigga , aaight !!!

[Dalleer]

Anyway, I don't think they were talking to you, so you may want to tone it down.

Alright, my answer was a bit too heated, I do admit that. But, the fact is that you really can't be sure on who was the target of this "bit of advice" , and the way I figured it, it could've just as well as been me due to my recent posts.

I apologize for another mistake yet again, but not until the person who wrote it in the first place identifies on who it originally was aimed towards.

[Undo]

Not to speak for him, but this bit, which you quoted yourself, seems to indicate he wasn't speaking to you...

"As for the Chechen warrior here, lol. At least have some more research before posting the photos here."

I don't remember you posting any pictures. I think you were just surprised at the response your earlier comment received and were on the defensive. No harm, no foul as far as I can see. Just crossed signals.

Edit: My bad, you did post a photo. I still don't think he was talking to you, though. I am almost positive he was talking about Pandy's friend.

[Dalleer]

I still don't think he was talking to you, though. I am almost positive he was talking about Pandy's friend.

Agreed, it was just that this situation was full of insults and corrections flying from one person to another, it made no sense and as you said "crossed signals" .

I'm willing to let this go, however one should remember that if the likes of Fulix or Tulix or whatever flap their gums at me with the attitude that they had, more than heated exchange will ensue...

[GazB]

"The equipment level could be better, and personally, I think that the use of "sport shoes" in the field seems rather poor, but if they work better than the "Russian leg killing boots" then you should use anything that does the job. "

So what you are saying is that if your soldiers don't stick religiously to the issued kit then the kit is rubbish? How many brit soldiers here ONLY USE BRITISH ISSUE KIT? How many American soldiers ONLY USE AMERICAN ISSUE KIT?

I guess stories of American soldiers using AKs instead of the pistols they were issued suggests that America has this problem too?

I would love to read about an armed force that was so in tune with its soldiers that it issued absolutely everything that was perfect and fitted everyones personal preference... and I would like to see their yearly budget.

"Further, I would've appreciated comments from the Russians in this board concerning the matter, and so happened, but the likes of this "Fulix" should just drop dead, in my opinion."

Or you could say he made a silly comment without thnking too much about it like you did and let it go... especially as you mention he was right.

"You are right that I should have done more research before posting that image,"

Wrong... without the comment the image is appropriate for this thread... please don't appologise for posting that.

"Agreed, it was just that this situation was full of insults and corrections flying from one person to another, it made no sense and as you said "crossed signals" . "

If you felt insulted by what I said I am sorry too. I just wanted to correct what you said... You made it clear with your apology that you aren't a 12 YO twerp trolling. (clear both with how you apologised and the fact that you did without being cornered by everyone).

[Dalleer]

So what you are saying is that if your soldiers don't stick religiously to the issued kit then the kit is rubbish? How many brit soldiers here ONLY USE BRITISH ISSUE KIT? How many American soldiers ONLY USE AMERICAN ISSUE KIT?

No, not at all.

It is just that the general image goes with the army boots, forgetting that even sport shoes are indeed useful. And soldiers should indeed use the kit they find the best, and not stick to the issued kit if it is rubbish.

As long as it works, it does not have to look that good.


If you felt insulted by what I said I am sorry too. I just wanted to correct what you said... You made it clear with your apology that you aren't a 12 YO twerp trolling. (clear both with how you apologised and the fact that you did without being cornered by everyone).

I did not feel insulted by anything you said, I can assure you of that.

However, I can also assure you that I am not even close to a "12 YO twerp troller" if some of you might pay attention to the other stuff that I happen to post in this board...

And despite my "way" of handling the situation I did feel a bit cornered at one moment, but that is a matter of its own...

[Fulix]

Hi Dalleer,

First of all it´s just Fulix, not Tulix... :D

Second, it was not my intention to create polemic, discussion, or desrespect your comment... maybe the way i wrote the words in the post made you fell like it was. So, im sorry. :oops:

But after all, you realize that i wrote was right (the facts thing, not the words that "create this discussion")... ;)

I didnt mentioned to be rude.... i just cant stand that some times people says that every non-american or british equipment are crap, without know anything about other country´s equipments, and respect it.

Hope this missunderstanding could be fixed. :hug:

See you all later

[Dalleer]

Second, it was not my intention to create polemic, discussion, or desrespect your comment... maybe the way i wrote the words in the post made you fell like it was. So, im sorry.

Yes, alright. We got this matter settled, so there is no need for you to be sorry for those comments anymore.


But after all, you realize that i wrote was right (the facts thing, not the words that "create this discussion")...

Yes, I indeed do realize that what you wrote down was right.

That thing is under control as well, now isn't it?


I didnt mentioned to be rude.... i just cant stand that some times people says that every non-american or british equipment are crap, without know anything about other country´s equipments, and respect it.


Well, I am certainly not a person who would parade around yelling the US or British equipments superiority, and I was actually just commenting the amount of stuff they had on, not the quality of it.



Hope this missunderstanding could be fixed.

Don't worry, it's been fixed, respectively.


See you all later

Yes, I must however tell you one thing; I found your reply a very positive difference from some of the people here that do not seem to know how to handle things by any other means besides playground tricks.

You have my respect despite our little "misunderstanding" on the way you handled the matter, you do not see acts like these many times here in this board...

So let's keep on going!

[Fulix]

Same to you mate! Im happy we solve this out.... :D

About the major actions of some guys in this forum, i agree with you in 100%... hope this change very soon. ;)

See you...