*Update* Army Drops Cowardice Charge Against Soldier

[Seraphim]

http://msnbc.msn.com/id/3840267/


Pogany, an Army interrogator assigned to the 10th Special Forces Group, was charged with cowardice Oct. 14 after suffering what he described as a panic attack from seeing a mangled body of an Iraqi man who had been cut in half by American gunfire in Iraq.

[ShotOver]

Aaah, that's good.

[Tane Angle]

Malarium. I really feel like swearing.

[Spearin]

That's ridiculous. Does the US Army teach anything about CSR? He should not be punished for his actions. It is a reaction by many to horrific scenes witnessed in war. By punishment, it doesn't help at all to rehabilitate the soldier.

Geez... where's the charge then for Jessica Lynch?

[Deuterium]

That's ridiculous. Does the US Army teach anything about CSR? He should not be punished for his actions. It is a reaction by many to horrific scenes witnessed in war. By punishment, it doesn't help at all to rehabilitate the soldier.

Geez... where's the charge then for Jessica Lynch?

[MVSpartan117]

^agreed^

[Fioraon]

Canadian telling Americans how to run a Military? :cantbeli:

[Deuterium]

...

[Tane Angle]

So Malarium wasn't a factor, you don't think? Hope not.

[Maverick77]

Canadian Military personel know how to run/fight in a military just as good or better than the U.S.

Its the Governments not the people asshole.

[ibstolidude]

That's ridiculous. Does the US Army teach anything about CSR? He should not be punished for his actions. It is a reaction by many to horrific scenes witnessed in war. By punishment, it doesn't help at all to rehabilitate the soldier.

Geez... where's the charge then for Jessica Lynch?

He saw a body-bag. Not a mangled body, not a corpse, not blood, not gore, he saw a body-bag. He had been in country for around 24 hours. I don't care what you call it. The guy is a pussy..... Let me tell you from someone who dealt with him daily for the last 2 months, a pussy.

perhaps he should have used a "stress card"?

sorry...not having been there it's not my place, but couldn't resist...

[Deuterium]

So Malarium wasn't a factor, you don't think? Hope not.

[Marxist203]

That's ridiculous. Does the US Army teach anything about CSR? He should not be punished for his actions. It is a reaction by many to horrific scenes witnessed in war. By punishment, it doesn't help at all to rehabilitate the soldier.

Geez... where's the charge then for Jessica Lynch?

He saw a body-bag. Not a mangled body, not a corpse, not blood, not gore, he saw a body-bag. He had been in country for around 24 hours. I don't care what you call it. The guy is a pussy..... Let me tell you from someone who dealt with him daily for the last 2 months, a pussy.

They should just put him behind a desk if he cant handle it...Im sure there are places in special operations for pencil pushers right Deuterium?

[Deuterium]

That's ridiculous. Does the US Army teach anything about CSR? He should not be punished for his actions. It is a reaction by many to horrific scenes witnessed in war. By punishment, it doesn't help at all to rehabilitate the soldier.

Geez... where's the charge then for Jessica Lynch?

He saw a body-bag. Not a mangled body, not a corpse, not blood, not gore, he saw a body-bag. He had been in country for around 24 hours. I don't care what you call it. The guy is a pussy..... Let me tell you from someone who dealt with him daily for the last 2 months, a pussy.

They should just put him behind a desk if he cant handle it...Im sure there are places in special operations for pencil pushers right Deuterium?

[Tane Angle]

Thanks for the clarification, Deuterium. By the way, is it true that he was not actually SF qualified, but rather just assigned to the unit as a support troop? Thanks. Have a good one.

[usa320]

Im with Deut- the guy signed up for the job. You dont join the army if the sight of gore, or in this case a body bag freaks you out. Same with these "Conciensious Objectors". You dont join the forces and then refuse to fight because fighting "is wrong". When you join the army, you must realize that there is always a chance of fighting a war, and if shooting and stress and blood isnt for you, you are in the wrong field, especially SF. The guy oughtta get demoted to a desk job. I think the navy would have been a better choice for him, or maybe flying cargo planes.

[ChuckThunder]

Thanks for the clarification, Deuterium. By the way, is it true that he was not actually SF qualified, but rather just assigned to the unit as a support troop? Thanks. Have a good one.

The article says...

"FORT CARSON, Colorado - The Army dropped a charge of dereliction of duty against a Special Forces soldier who was accused of cowardice, but the soldier’s military career is still in limbo."

I'm still not sure.

[Deuterium]

Thanks for the clarification, Deuterium. By the way, is it true that he was not actually SF qualified, but rather just assigned to the unit as a support troop? Thanks. Have a good one.

The article says...

"FORT CARSON, Colorado - The Army dropped a charge of dereliction of duty against a Special Forces soldier who was accused of cowardice, but the soldier’s military career is still in limbo."

I'm still not sure.

He is not a Special Forces Soldier. He is a a support troop assigned to a Special Forces Unit. Special Forces Soldiers hold the MOS of 18A, 180A, 18Z, 18F, 18B, 18C, 18D, or 18E. This "soldier" does not hold any of these MOSs.

[Vance]

That's ridiculous. Does the US Army teach anything about CSR? He should not be punished for his actions. It is a reaction by many to horrific scenes witnessed in war. By punishment, it doesn't help at all to rehabilitate the soldier.

Geez... where's the charge then for Jessica Lynch?

He saw a body-bag. Not a mangled body, not a corpse, not blood, not gore, he saw a body-bag. He had been in country for around 24 hours. I don't care what you call it. The guy is a pussy..... Let me tell you from someone who dealt with him daily for the last 2 months, a pussy.
The article says he saw a mangled body of an Iraqi, not a body bag...

[ChuckThunder]

That's ridiculous. Does the US Army teach anything about CSR? He should not be punished for his actions. It is a reaction by many to horrific scenes witnessed in war. By punishment, it doesn't help at all to rehabilitate the soldier.

Geez... where's the charge then for Jessica Lynch?

He saw a body-bag. Not a mangled body, not a corpse, not blood, not gore, he saw a body-bag. He had been in country for around 24 hours. I don't care what you call it. The guy is a pussy..... Let me tell you from someone who dealt with him daily for the last 2 months, a pussy.
The article says he saw a mangled body of an Iraqi, not a body bag...

:cantbeli:

The article also said he is a Special Forces soldier... read Deut's posts.

[Deuterium]

That's ridiculous. Does the US Army teach anything about CSR? He should not be punished for his actions. It is a reaction by many to horrific scenes witnessed in war. By punishment, it doesn't help at all to rehabilitate the soldier.

Geez... where's the charge then for Jessica Lynch?

He saw a body-bag. Not a mangled body, not a corpse, not blood, not gore, he saw a body-bag. He had been in country for around 24 hours. I don't care what you call it. The guy is a pussy..... Let me tell you from someone who dealt with him daily for the last 2 months, a pussy.
The article says he saw a mangled body of an Iraqi, not a body bag...

The article is wrong.

[Deuterium]

Thanks for the clarification, Deuterium. By the way, is it true that he was not actually SF qualified, but rather just assigned to the unit as a support troop? Thanks. Have a good one.

The article says...

"FORT CARSON, Colorado - The Army dropped a charge of dereliction of duty against a Special Forces soldier who was accused of cowardice, but the soldier’s military career is still in limbo."

I'm still not sure.

[ChuckThunder]

Thanks for the clarification, Deuterium. By the way, is it true that he was not actually SF qualified, but rather just assigned to the unit as a support troop? Thanks. Have a good one.

The article says...

"FORT CARSON, Colorado - The Army dropped a charge of dereliction of duty against a Special Forces soldier who was accused of cowardice, but the soldier’s military career is still in limbo."

I'm still not sure.

Sorry I was only his supervisor, I guess I'm full of ****.

I'm not saying anything against your word. Just quoting the article, which in a later post of yours, you cleared up the issue. Thats all. :)

[Marxist203]

Canadian telling Americans how to run a Military? :cantbeli:

Well, as far as our Prison system goes it works well. Which would be a good example on how to rehabilitate someone as he said. What are you gonna do? tell someone with Traumatic stress disorder that he's a ****ing pussy and spit on him? or are you going to help him get over it so he can be a productive asset to the armed forces?

Anyway buddy, we have had one of the most powerful armed forces in all of Nato...hell even now with the budget cuts and mis-management we can still thump most of the worlds militaries.

So, shaddap!

[SOG]

well military doctrine has always been tough love because when the going gets tough again and all that counseling unwinds youll be dead in the field. this has been going on for quite a while now when older drill instructors are interviewed and basically dont agree with all the tender love and understanding dished out in todays armed forces training. this even applies to the marines to a lesser degree with what the DI's used to be able to get away with and what they do today.

sure if the guy has real mental problems they should be addressed but if the guy is a pussy for what he was exposed to he should have his ass reamed. the ONLY reason why this is of any debate is because theres too many arm chair officers running the MIL today worried about thier bonuses and rank bending over to the misfed underinformed public. yeah yeah i know, none of "those" officers frequent this site. rofl

[Tane Angle]

Note: Those officers are nothing new, they've pretty much always been there I think. :roll: Depressingly, huh?

[Dmitri]

too many arm chair officers running the MIL today
Go Chairborne!!! :lol:
I'm a little confused: this guy got the article 15 just for freaking out or he refused to do the job? I don't think you can get one for being stessed after you see something nasty (although I guess he didn't). If he just stopped executing commands, thats just flat out stupid

[martinexsquaddie]

sounds like the blokes a born office type
I wonder why he ever ended up going anywhere near the field
Feel sorry for whoever got him attached as help