LOOKING FOR Photos of Saddam's Fedayeens

[ZMECHOL]

Hi,

I'm courently working on a new project and looking
for pictures of Saddam's Fedayeens wearing the
bizzare "Darth Vader" helmets. Could you help?

Best Regards to the whole Group!

[Dennis G]

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.cascoscoleccion.com/iraq/iradarva.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3DSaddam%2BDarth%2BVader%26start%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DN

[UkrainianSpetsnaz]

Airborne ranger, airborne ranger, what did you do
I killed a commie for me and you

I guess when an american talks about killing people it's okay but when you talk about killing chechen terrorists it's not okay. good stuff.

[SFontaine]

You do realize most people here support the killing of Chechan terrorists

[usa320]

I support killing any terrorists, regardless of where tey are from.

[SFontaine]

Here here.

[Zach R.]

I'll second that, or third or whatever.

[AirZone]

AMEN to that !

[Midav]

Agreed!

[Falco]

Yup

[Marmot1]

Hi,

I'm courently working on a new project and looking
for pictures of Saddam's Fedayeens wearing the
bizzare "Darth Vader" helmets. Could you help?

Best Regards to the whole Group!

ZMECHOL are you polish??? since your nick and avatar look familiar....:-)

[Whistler]

Same here, kill all the terrorists I wont shed a tear.

I don't know why all the Russians here assume that everyone is against them... Just stop saying hypocritical things about Iraq and nobody would bother you.

[Deuterium]

Hi,

I'm courently working on a new project and looking
for pictures of Saddam's Fedayeens wearing the
bizzare "Darth Vader" helmets. Could you help?

Best Regards to the whole Group!

When we liberated Kirkuk we found a stash of them. Believe it or not they are not even made of metal or kevlar. I'm not sure exactly but they are fiberglass or plastic. I'll see if I can get a picture of one of the helmets for you.

[Macs.]

Hi,

I'm courently working on a new project and looking
for pictures of Saddam's Fedayeens wearing the
bizzare "Darth Vader" helmets. Could you help?

Best Regards to the whole Group!

When we liberated Kirkuk we found a stash of them. Believe it or not they are not even made of metal or kevlar. I'm not sure exactly but they are fiberglass or plastic. I'll see if I can get a picture of one of the helmets for you.

Yeah, they are only for the style ! ;)

On that link "Dennis G" posted. ( http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.cascoscoleccion.com/iraq/iradarva.htm&prev=/search%3Fq%3DSaddam%2BDarth%2BVader%26start%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3DUTF-8%26sa%3DN ) they say: "Material: Fiber glass (6mm of thickness)"


http://www.cascoscoleccion.com/iraq/iraqb/iraqfed9.jpg

http://www.ugavine.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/vader.jpg

http://www.cascoscoleccion.com/iraq/iraqb/iragal2.jpg

http://www.cascoscoleccion.com/iraq/iraqb/iragalax.jpg

http://www.cascoscoleccion.com/iraq/iraqb/iraqfedr.jpg

http://www.cascoscoleccion.com/iraq/iraqb/iradvf.jpg
http://www.cascoscoleccion.com/iraq/iraqb/iradvb.jpg
http://www.cascoscoleccion.com/iraq/iraqb/iradve.jpg

[Jack Mehoff]

**** terrorists, kill them all and make them dog food

[ZMECHOL]

Thanks for the photos and to those of you who stick to the subject.

:hug:

I need to admit that I have most of the ones shown and I'm very familiar with the subject of the helmets itself. Actually that's what the project is about. Simply, I'm looking now for more material and additional info. If somebody could give me idea where to store/dowload photos for this group I'll post what I have + some interesting info I have come across.

Marmot1: Since you have recognized the badge and nick there is no need to talk about it. However, check the location for the future reference.

:roll:

Deuterium: Could you give me more details. Perhaps private message?
Macs: Where the 1-st and 3-rd pictures are from? Any additional info?

THANKS AGAIN AND MORE PLEASE!

woot

[Deuterium]

Yep Macs got it right. It universally gave everyone a good laugh and the Star Wars/Dark Side/Evil Empire/Nazi metaphor was not lost upon us.

[Deuterium]

Thanks for the photos and to those of you who stick to the subject.

:hug:

I need to admit that I have most of the ones shown and I'm very familiar with the subject of the helmets itself. Actually that's what the project is about. Simply, I'm looking now for more material and additional info. If somebody could give me idea where to store/dowload photos for this group I'll post what I have + some interesting info I have come across.

Marmot1: Since you have recognized the badge and nick there is no need to talk about it. However, check the location for the future reference.

:roll:

Deuterium: Could you give me more details. Perhaps private message?
Macs: Where the 1-st and 3-rd pictures are from? Any additional info?

THANKS AGAIN AND MORE PLEASE!

woot

My buddy just down the road has one. I'll see what I can do.

[ZMECHOL]

http://www.xbox-connection.com/hostedimages/PIC00001.jpg
From the day one this bizzare helmet somehow grab my attention. Not only because clear resemblance
to Star Wars helmet but I think it should pass to the history as a perfect example of oxymoron;
Military protective headgear made from thin plastic without any ballistic property, shaped after American
Sci-fi movie character and wearied by the Iraqi's most fanatic Islamic militia.
http://www.xbox-connection.com/hostedimages/PIC00002.jpg
When evaluating few of these helmets, I could stop thinking that the whole idea and symbology behind
was simple but at the same time sickly powerful. Almost Nazi-like.
http://www.xbox-connection.com/hostedimages/PIC00003.jpg
Adopting the Vader design was Uday's (Saddam' s son) inspiration, who had a taste for the more lurid
aspects of Sci-fi (as the decorations of his palace indicate).
Fedayeen Saddam (Saddam's Martyrs) or Men of Sacrifice were composed of young soldiers recruited
from regions loyal to Saddam. These young guys were brain washed, similarly as "Hitlerjugend" were,
and ready to carry any missions against domestic or foreign opponents.

Fedayeens were founded by Saddam's son Uday in 1995.
In September 1996 however Uday was removed from command of the Fedayeen.
Uday's removal may have stemmed from an incident in March 1996 when Uday
transferred sophisticated weapons from Republican Guards to the Saddam Fedayeen
without Saddam's knowledge.
Control passed to Qusay, further consolidating his responsibility for the Iraqi
security apparatus. The deputy commander is Staff Lieutenant General Mezahem
Saab Al Hassan Al-Tikriti. According to reports, control of Saddam Hussein’s
personal militia was later (just prior the war) passed back to his eldest son, Uday.
They were supposed to help protect Saddam and Uday, and carry out much
of the police's dirty work.

As a part of Iraqi regime propaganda the whole concept and function of this helmet was
clearly intimidation and terror rather that its protective purpose.
One can only imagine the feeling of the poor Iraqi families when those guys show up in
the village. Perhaps this graphical description of one of their action will give you idea:

"...The Fedayeen Saddam include a special unit known as the death squadron, whose masked
members perform certain executions, including in victims' homes.
They operate completely outside the law, above and outside political and legal structures.
Accompanied by the leaders of the Ba’th party, they make a night raid on the district.
The population is summoned for the next day at prayer time. They arrive at the stated hour
at the home of the victim, who is dragged out in the clothes she is wearing. She is then
stretched out on an iron bench, her head hanging down, in front of her children, her family
and the whole population of the district. The executioner ... takes his sword held out by
an assistant and cut’s the victim’s head off. According to the scenes described, the head
is exhibited or the body and the head are thrown into black boxes and taken away.
Women belonging to families suspected of being hostile to the regime or whose members
are in prison as “opponents” (the term of course covers a considerable number of definitions)
are particularly targeted..."

Perhaps now you understand my early comments about Nazi-like aspect of those units.
Final pictures of the "Bad Guys" and their helmets from the "Dark Side."
http://www.xbox-connection.com/hostedimages/LastEpisode.jpg

Sorry for such a long post. If anybody have any additional info or photos please send me a private message. :roll:

[Dave the Dawg]

http://www.xbox-connection.com/hostedimages/PIC00003.jpg

The inscriptions are wrong.

1. "Allah" is OK.

2. The one marked "Homeland" is actually "Leader"; it is also spelled wrong. As written, it says "al-qathid". It should be "al-qa'id" (that's a glottal stop - hamza - not a thaa)

3. The one marked "Leader" is actually "homeland" or "nation"; it too is spelled wrong. As written, it says "al-waHlan". It should be "al-waTan".

http://www.omniglot.com/images/writing/arabic.gif

[ZMECHOL]

Hi Dave,

I was hoping that you'll check my post… Thanks for the corrections. :oops:
I'm not an Arabic language expert and I was using a translation from
some other source. Obviously not a very good one but the sense is the same. :roll:

BTW, could you write/script for me each word with a proper spelling and spaces
for the future reference? I know that is from right to left but
unfortunately, using the Arabic alphabet I can't figure the
way to put the words together with the right spaces and phonetic markings.
Seems like nightmare rules for the language but perhaps is just me. :cantbeli:

Is there misspellings on the original Saddam's seal (black rubber)
or just in my "red" text (which BTW I've copy from the seal).
That’s will be very interested finding. ;)

Thanks again and Best Regards,

ZMECHOL

PS Do you have any idea why the Iraqi will used Latin numerical sign
on a equipment verse Arabic numbers?

[REMOV]

Do you have any idea why the Iraqi will used Latin numerical sign on a equipment verse Arabic numbers?Heheheh... ZMECHOL, the digits are called ARABIC NUMERALS in the whole world ;) And the Arabs using them on their equipment because the whole math in their countries is in Latin digits notation (those countries were European colonies), besides the whole equipment is made outside their states.

[Javehn]

How about that ? Check this out . That's good Arabic here .

Ruh intek , inaal sharmuta nikomak
Alif air eb tizok , ya monyoke , mus zibbi kalb
Iftah el "shoobab" ,ya majayef nabulsi , ya zerba ya muti ya kwanii
Anta ibn el metanaka , ya bin il miat alf hayawant
lama kunthe zrir, ama yaeni yame zrir, nakuk fi tizak? rofl

I think that is quiet enough right here . Yes , indeed .

[One?]

because the whole math in their countries is in Latin digits notation

http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Arabic-numerals

[Dave the Dawg]

If you have Arabic encoding on your web browser, these are the HTML codes for the three words:

Allah - اﷲ
al-Watan - الوطن
al-Qa'id - القائد

Regarding numbers, there does not seem to be any rhyme or reason to the use of the Arabic versions of the "Arabic numerals" and the Western versions. The same goes for Japan, where Arabic and Chinese numerals are often both found in text. Here is a number chart in PNG format:

http://en2.wikipedia.org/upload/6/6a/Euro-Arab-Indic-numerals.png

[Dave the Dawg]

How about that ? Check this out . That's good Arabic here .

Ruh intek , inaal sharmuta nikomak
Alif air eb tizok , ya monyoke , mus zibbi kalb
Iftah el "shoobab" ,ya majayef nabulsi , ya zerba ya muti ya kwanii
Anta ibn el metanaka , ya bin il miat alf hayawant
lama kunthe zrir, ama yaeni yame zrir, nakuk fi tizak? rofl

I think that is quiet enough right here . Yes , indeed .
Do you talk to your mother with that mouth? You know, cussing isn't made less impolite just because most people don't understand it. You could hurt someone's feelings. By the way, your Arabic transliteration is as badly spelled as this probably is:

Zayeen al ha-kuss ha-masree'akh shel ha-ema ha-mekho'aret shelkha!

[One?]

How about that ? Check this out . That's good Arabic here .

Ruh intek , inaal sharmuta nikomak
Alif air eb tizok , ya monyoke , mus zibbi kalb
Iftah el "shoobab" ,ya majayef nabulsi , ya zerba ya muti ya kwanii
Anta ibn el metanaka , ya bin il miat alf hayawant
lama kunthe zrir, ama yaeni yame zrir, nakuk fi tizak? rofl

I think that is quiet enough right here . Yes , indeed .
Do you talk to your mother with that mouth? You know, cussing isn't made less impolite just because most people don't understand it. You could hurt someone's feelings. By the way, your Arabic transliteration is as badly spelled as this probably is:

Zayeen al ha-kuss ha-masree'akh shel ha-ema ha-mekho'aret shelkha!

nice a cussing battle in hebrew and arabic. what next?

[ZMECHOL]

Dave: Thanks for the replay. Unfortunately for some reason I can't make the Arabic encoding to work on my computer.
If possible, could you take a "screen capture" of yours and placed in the message as a "image"? :oops:

Remov: Thank you for pointing my spelling mistakes and sharing such an extensive knowledge of history. :roll:
Perhaps the profile in the middle of the badge represented Queen Elizabeth and was influenced by
Vincent van Gogh "Men in a Red Beret"
http://www.vangoghgallery.com/painting/p_0546.htm What do you think? :hug:

As for the numbers, I'm sorry but; is there or not a common practice to use Latin numerals on otherwise Arabic made equipment?
I'm not talking here about the school for children or foregin equipment.
I need to assume that such a uniquely fashioned helmets have been produced locally in Iraq (?). However, the Latin markings inside the shell and some other details of the interior indicated other/foregin contractor and that's clearly subject of sanctions busting (no one is likely to take credit for that). As visible on the image below, the numbers are reversed (similarly to many Iraqi indigenous M-1 clones, purchased from S. Korea) I would favor the theory that they are a mold marks. Perhaps the molds for the early Iraqi helmets were made abroad, but after Gulf War I, and the imposition of sanctions, they "should" be made locally in Iraq.

http://www.xbox-connection.com/hostedimages/PIC00005.jpg

http://www.xbox-connection.com/hostedimages/PIC00004.jpg

Fedayeens started out as a rag-tag force of some 10,000-15,000 but soon the total strength was reported between 18,000 and 40,000 troops. I'm searching now for the reports indicating the location of Fedayeen camps and found helmets. That's should help in estimating how many helmets have been produced.

"(...) We recently went to a school where the Fedayeen militia, Iraqi top notch military force comparable to the special forces, took over a school at the beginning of the war. The Fedayeen were controlled by Uday Hussein the oldest of Saddam sons. What they left behind was all their uniforms and most of their ammunition when they learned of the coming American attack. The helmets look menacing but actually they are more like a Halloween costume. The wore all black pants and shirts and a black darth-vader looking helmet which was made from plastic. Basically their uniform was just for show. We were able to pick up a few of the helmets to display when we get back home..." (CPT Matthew Bacon, USMC)

"(...) at Kut city, down the street from the hotel that Marines are using as a makeshift base, the blackened facade of the Fedayeen Saddam paramilitary building was still smoldering. Among mortars and artillery shells lay dozens of the Fedayeen's black Darth Vader-like helmets, inscribed on the side with "Allah, motherland, leader" - Saddam's slogan for the country. Empty nerve gas antidote cases littered the dirt..." (news)

"(...) in Nasiriyah, the painted mural of Saddam Hussein surrounded by his ninja-dressed Fedayeen had been thrown into the gutter and the gates of the compound flung wide open (...) Those black overalls lay scattered around the compound floor, with a number of black helmets of a style that suggested they had been designed for Darth Vader. They looked ridiculous lying on the floor among the broken glass, but one wondered how terrifying they must have looked when worn by the men who had left them here and then fled. It was a uniform of a different sort that most disturbed the members of the US Marines human exploitation team - the unit searching for some of the American soldiers seized by the Iraqis in Nasiriyah - who arrived at the compound yesterday. One prisoner, Jessica Lynch, was rescued by special forces soldiers earlier this week, but many are still missing. * The soldiers were handed a US camouflage jacket bearing the name of an army sergeant. (...) It seems very likely that some of the US prisoners were indeed held here, if only briefly. The remains of two burnt-out trucks belonging to the logistical unit that was ambushed by the Iraqis stood on one side of the compound. (...) Mather Ahmed Jabbah, who lived near by, said: "People were executed here with swords," (...) "I saw it happen. They used to make a video of the killings and send them to Uday." * It was a chilling story, if impossible to prove. But on the way out of the compound one could not help noticing the trademark curved sword insignia of the Fedayeen (...) "* (Andrew Buncombe for The Independent)

BTW, Any more pictures of the Fedayeens?

[Javehn]

How about that ? Check this out . That's good Arabic here .

Ruh intek , inaal sharmuta nikomak
Alif air eb tizok , ya monyoke , mus zibbi kalb
Iftah el "shoobab" ,ya majayef nabulsi , ya zerba ya muti ya kwanii
Anta ibn el metanaka , ya bin il miat alf hayawant
lama kunthe zrir, ama yaeni yame zrir, nakuk fi tizak? rofl

I think that is quiet enough right here . Yes , indeed .
Do you talk to your mother with that mouth? You know, cussing isn't made less impolite just because most people don't understand it. You could hurt someone's feelings. By the way, your Arabic transliteration is as badly spelled as this probably is:

Zayeen al ha-kuss ha-masree'akh shel ha-ema ha-mekho'aret shelkha!

Ah , Hell , you got me , i haven't noticed you speak Arabic . Well , how do you like my vocabulary ? :)

Unlike Europian nice speeking , that is the way many Arabic guys talk amongst each other . Much rouder , and they are not starting to cry every time you will curse him . He offcorse would kill you if you mean it seriosly , but otherwise , that is the way they talk with each other. Nothing problematic with that . I speak with my Arabic naigbour this way , and he replies me the same back . So , no , i am not hurting no feelings :) . By the way , your hebrew transliteration is ok ... Bi-atch . :)

Well , but how fo you aprreciate my Arabic ? Good , ha ? I have more of those where it came from .

[army cadet_ngcsu]

Hahahhaha, that is too ****ing funny, I'm sure that Saddam saw Star Wars. What a dumb ass, only he would make helmets for his "elite" units that basically looked like Darth Vader's.

[Uncle Chô]

That is a very unusual and fascinating topic.
Another example of how Udaï was a dangerous and mad guy indeed. May he not RIP :bash:

I learned a lot on the subject.

Thank you woot

[BT_Recon]

is there anywhere one of those helmets can be obtained from?

[HumanShield]

f*** terrorists, kill them all and make them dog food

roger

[ZMECHOL]

Perhaps from eBay $250-$400 (USD) :|

[Hullebullen]

"shoh-ksssh" Obi-Bush Sr. has taught you well but, George, I am your father" shoh-ksssh"

[One?]

f*** terrorists, kill them all and make them dog food

roger


I don't quite understand how iraqis are terrorists? unless you have your own version of terrorism.

[Dave the Dawg]

f*** terrorists, kill them all and make them dog food

roger

I don't quite understand how iraqis are terrorists? unless you have your own version of terrorism.Since no one in this thread ever said Iraqis were terrorists, I will assume that you are just manifesting utter ignorance and lack of attention to detail.