China just successfully tested SLBM

[rodin_hsu]

China successfully tested their submarine-launched Ballistic missile (JL-2) four days ago. This implies for the first time that China proved her plausible ability to deliver nuclear war heads to any territory of the U.S.
The Chinese SSBN will be able to safely operating in littoral and launching an attack to U.S.

This message seems important, but I can't even find a news in western media about it. So I post it over here.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/china/jl-2.htm

[seruriermarshal]

Use Nukes ?

rofl

[Kilgor]

Walmart can now sell them

[rodin_hsu]

Use Nukes ?

rofl

You don't get it. do you?

It's more useful to SHOW it than USE it.
See the difference between Iraq and North Korea?

:roll:

[Red]

China successfully tested their submarine-launched Ballistic missile (JL-2) four days ago. This implies for the first time that China proved her plausible ability to deliver nuclear war heads to any territory of the U.S.
The Chinese SSBN will be able to safely operating in littoral and launching an attack to U.S.

This message seems important, but I can't even find a news in western media about it. So I post it over here.

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/world/china/jl-2.htm
And i am sure that China is aware that the US can lob an assortment of big and/or small nukes to everywhere within China so i guess they balance out.

[jmatucd]

welcome to the early 1960s.... do you have color TV too?

[Seiyuuki]

Welcome to the MAD club, the nukes balance is not as it was during the Cold War between the SU and US, but we'll let that slide. Hope they enjoy their stay.

[fdt]

@rodin_hsu

In fact You should be glad it happened. Now US will begin to watch chinese navy much closer not just for they like Taiwan but for their own safety.

1. US will now build a base of SSNs (attack subs) close to You ...or even at Taiwan if Your govt will accept it.

2. LA, Seawolf and Virginia class subs shall return to their routine of following every Chinese SSBN that moves (as they were doing this with Soviet ones during Cold War) but now having new improved ships (Seawolf and Virginia) and technologies. Every chinese SSBN in every move shall have it's "personal guardian angel" with armed torpedoes aimed at it's ass.

3. US will for sure build a tight net of the SOSUS station hydrophones around China. As it was efficient against Russian subs it will be even more efficient against chinese. For sure it's much smaller area to be covered.

Best part is that Yanks are alredy quite well prepared to deal with it :)

http://www.usni.org/proceedings/Articles03/progoldstein03-2.htm


The new Type 93 SSN will augment the obsolete Han class, the last of which was commissioned in 1990. Though Chinese nuclear submarines are widely dismissed as obsolete, the Chinese press continues to extol sorties by these SSNs, even claiming that they played a role in the 1996 Taiwan Strait crisis.9 Open sources state that the Type 93 will have an indigenously manufactured nuclear reactor and be technologically similar to the Russian Victor III, possessing enhanced sonar capabilities and advanced quieting.10 The first prototype is nearly finished and a bow-on photograph of the vessel in drydock suggests that the ship has both upper and lower bow sonar assemblies, as well as flank arrays. A recent Chinese source, however, claims that the Type 93 will have 65-cm tubes, which suggests it will be able to carry Russia's largest wake-homing torpedo designed specifically to destroy aircraft carriers.11

China's second-generation ballistic-missile nuclear submarine (SSBN) lags behind the SSN program. Known as the Type 94, it eventually will replace the 20-year-old, problem-plagued prototype of the Xia class, which itself recently emerged from a major overhaul. Chinese sources assess that the Type 94 aims to have a quieter acoustic signature than the Russian Typhoon, and will deploy with 16 8,000-km-range submarine-launched ballistic missiles, each equipped with three to six warheads.12 It is likely that the first of the Type 94 SSBNs will not be launched for at least five years, perhaps longer. Despite this delay, the amount of space dedicated to SSBNs in China's journal of naval warfare, Jianchuan Zhishi, implies that the PLAN's determination to develop a functional SSBN force remains strong. Taken as a whole, Chinese efforts in nuclear submarines suggest a measured commitment to the development of a blue-water capability over the longer term.

[seruriermarshal]

Use Nukes ?

rofl

You don't get it. do you?

It's more useful to SHOW it than USE it.
See the difference between Iraq and North Korea?

:roll:

You talk about map ?

:lol:

[Dong Tsun Chang]

Use Nukes ?

rofl

You don't get it. do you?

It's more useful to SHOW it than USE it.
See the difference between Iraq and North Korea?

:roll:

You talk about map ?

:lol:

Good. You can read. :lol:

[mlrs84]

1. US will now build a base of SSNs (attack subs) close to You ...or even at Taiwan if Your govt will accept it.
I don't think that's gonna happen. The US won't risk a confrontation with China, even if it's not a full scale war.

[Michael RVR]

The US doesn't need to build a sub base, they can operate fine from the US coast.

I personally don't think the US has anything to worry about, as has been previously mentioned the Chinese would have to be totally off their rocker to attack the US - and they're on the wrong side in any case.

That said though, at least now the USN Sub Community will have something to do again ;)

[nagant_m44]

@rodin_hsu

In fact You should be glad it happened. Now US will begin to watch chinese navy much closer not just for they like Taiwan but for their own safety.

1. US will now build a base of SSNs (attack subs) close to You ...or even at Taiwan if Your govt will accept it.

2. LA, Seawolf and Virginia class subs shall return to their routine of following every Chinese SSBN that moves (as they were doing this with Soviet ones during Cold War) but now having new improved ships (Seawolf and Virginia) and technologies. Every chinese SSBN in every move shall have it's "personal guardian angel" with armed torpedoes aimed at it's ass.

3. US will for sure build a tight net of the SOSUS station hydrophones around China. As it was efficient against Russian subs it will be even more efficient against chinese. For sure it's much smaller area to be covered.

Best part is that Yanks are alredy quite well prepared to deal with it :)

http://www.usni.org/proceedings/Articles03/progoldstein03-2.htm


The new Type 93 SSN will augment the obsolete Han class, the last of which was commissioned in 1990. Though Chinese nuclear submarines are widely dismissed as obsolete, the Chinese press continues to extol sorties by these SSNs, even claiming that they played a role in the 1996 Taiwan Strait crisis.9 Open sources state that the Type 93 will have an indigenously manufactured nuclear reactor and be technologically similar to the Russian Victor III, possessing enhanced sonar capabilities and advanced quieting.10 The first prototype is nearly finished and a bow-on photograph of the vessel in drydock suggests that the ship has both upper and lower bow sonar assemblies, as well as flank arrays. A recent Chinese source, however, claims that the Type 93 will have 65-cm tubes, which suggests it will be able to carry Russia's largest wake-homing torpedo designed specifically to destroy aircraft carriers.11

China's second-generation ballistic-missile nuclear submarine (SSBN) lags behind the SSN program. Known as the Type 94, it eventually will replace the 20-year-old, problem-plagued prototype of the Xia class, which itself recently emerged from a major overhaul. Chinese sources assess that the Type 94 aims to have a quieter acoustic signature than the Russian Typhoon, and will deploy with 16 8,000-km-range submarine-launched ballistic missiles, each equipped with three to six warheads.12 It is likely that the first of the Type 94 SSBNs will not be launched for at least five years, perhaps longer. Despite this delay, the amount of space dedicated to SSBNs in China's journal of naval warfare, Jianchuan Zhishi, implies that the PLAN's determination to develop a functional SSBN force remains strong. Taken as a whole, Chinese efforts in nuclear submarines suggest a measured commitment to the development of a blue-water capability over the longer term.

Well during the cold war, soviet boomers stayed under the arctic icecaps , and they had fast attack subs patrolling around the icecap.

[AROUETLJ]

So China can produce perfect SLBMs but still makes faulty Christmas tree lights.

[HoboWithAK]

Use Nukes ?

rofl

You don't get it. do you?

It's more useful to SHOW it than USE it.
See the difference between Iraq and North Korea?

:roll:

You also do not understand that Chinese nuke boats, the Xxia or whatever their class SSBN is, are very noisy and very slow. And, the Chinese fleets have not had experience in operating boomers, they are not a top rate commodity. For every Chinese SSBN there is prowling the Pacific and Artic, I guarantee we or another NATO nation is tracking it.

Do you know how hard it is to hunt in open ocean in the Pacific? it's like a needle in the haystack, from EMS to Radio Antenna to Sonar, it's very hard! what slow? forget about the slowness of a sub, more importantly is what kind of detection devices and advanced countermeasures you actually have installed in your particular sub, Seawolf is currently the most advanced right now for the American side, but you will always have Akulas and Typhoons and all of that.

[sferrin]

Jesus people, China has had SLBMs for YEARS.

[J-10]

This message seems important, but I can't even find a news in western media about it. So I post it over here.



U.S.: China Successfully Launches Missile
By JOHN J. LUMPKIN, Associated Press Writer
Wed Jun 22, 5:56 PM ET

WASHINGTON - The Chinese military successfully launched a long-range ballistic missile from a submarine in a test this month, marking an advance in their known technical capability, a U.S. defense official said Wednesday.

The missile, the JL-2, was launched at sea westward toward a target on a test range inside the country, said the official, who discussed foreign military developments on the condition of anonymity. The test took place about 10 days ago, the official said, confirming a report that first appeared in The Washington Times.

The missile is believed to be able to carry a nuclear warhead for 6,000 miles, far greater than any sub-launched missile in China's inventory. The successful test does not necessarily mean China can deploy the missile yet, but it brings the Chinese a step closer, the official said.

Such a missile could reach U.S. territory from the western Pacific.

Last year, China launched the first submarine in a new class of nuclear vessels designed to fire these intercontinental ballistic missiles, officials said.

It was widely known that China was building the new class of nuclear-missile submarine, called the "Type 094," but the launch was far ahead of what U.S. intelligence expected, one official said.

Previously, China has had only one submarine capable of launching nuclear missiles, called the Type 092, or Xia, class. In 2001, a Pentagon report said the Xia was not operational. Its missiles were of an older class that could fly only 600 miles.

Successful cruises by the Type 094 would give China a new strategic deterrent against the United States because the Chinese no longer would be limited to land-based ICBMs and weapons carried on aircraft.

But U.S. defense officials say China lags behind the United States in its ability to hide submarines from sophisticated sonar and other sensors.

China is also modernizing its land-based nuclear missile force, replacing its estimated 20 ICBMs with more modern versions. In a report on China's military issued last May, the Pentagon said China's cache of ICBMs could increase to 30 by next year and 60 by 2010.

It was unclear if China's Type 094 or another vessel launched the JL-2 in the test.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050622/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_china_missile_1