Exams take political twist

[Moledet]

High School students scribble anti-pullout messages on copies of matriculation exams
By Shani Mizrachi and Moran Zelikovich


TEL AVIV – High schoolers protest pullout: High school students across the country who opposed the upcoming Gaza and northern West Bank pullout found an original way to protest the plan – scribbling an anti-pullout message on their matriculation exams.


The students who took part in the protest wrote the message “Where’s the shame? Israel’s students demand democracy, not only in textbooks,” on their copy of the exam.

Many of the female students who took part in the protest are apparently girls who attend religious schools in the settlements.


One protest organizer told Ynet the students felt the democracy they have been learning about in school is not being materialized in real life.


“We feel things need to change, and the State of Israel needs a democracy that is not only written in books,” she said.


Students will not be punished for their original protest, Education Ministry official Rachela Shiffer said.


“We deal with assessing the exam…and ignore any scribbling, comments, or drawings that are not related to the exam questions,” she said.


‘Today we’re called fascists’


Meanwhile, religious students in the Gaza Strip settlement of Neve Dekalim prepared a special protest ceremony reminiscent of memorial days.


The ceremony opened with the message “We’ve gathered here today….to mourn the death of Israeli democracy. We’ll bow our heads over democracy’s death during those difficult times.”


Renana Marmelstein, who writes a regular pullout column for Ynet, said the ceremony was touching.


“We were talking about the removal of dead from the graves (in the framework of the pullout) and about the fact we (settlers) used to be considered salt of the earth and pioneers and today we’re called fascists,” she said.

[BigBaribal]

What, even in Isreal, patriots are called "fascists" by liberal retards :roll:

[Rictor]

Presumably, by democracy they mean to imply that if given a national referendum, the pullout would be voted down? I don't know, I'm not Israeli, but it seems unlikely from what I've read.

[Moledet]

Presumably, by democracy they mean to imply that if given a national referendum, the pullout would be voted down? I don't know, I'm not Israeli, but it seems unlikely from what I've read.
With more PR work the settlers can easily turn the slight majority (about 52%) to a minority. Right now, there IS NOT a Jewish majority to the plan, and even the Druze are against the plan. The problem are the 19% of muslims that most of them would like to see Israel destroyed, so they'll vote for anything that will hurt it.

Just as an example: Yesterday there was supposed to be a police SF raid on Gush Katif hotel that hosts people from Judaha and Samaria as perepration for the disengagement. The plan was only told to the heads of the internal security in Israel, though one or more of them told the settlers in that hotel that the police will break into the hotel at night. So they printed flyers calling people to come and sleep in the hotel so that the raid will be called off and it was called off. The security minister was furious :lol:

[Uri24]

and even the Druze are against the plan.

Huh? How do you know that?


Right now, there IS NOT a Jewish majority to the plan

That's arguable.

[/quote] Just as an example: Yesterday there was supposed to be a police SF raid on Gush Katif hotel that hosts people from Judaha and Samaria as perepration for the disengagement. The plan was only told to the heads of the internal security in Israel, though one or more of them told the settlers in that hotel that the police will break into the hotel at night. So they printed flyers calling people to come and sleep in the hotel so that the raid will be called off and it was called off. The security minister was furious :lol: [/quote]

The raid was called on in the first place because settlers allegedly (neither of us can know whether this true or wrong) shot and abused Palestinians. I don't see why you're so happy that it was cancelled, unless you support this kind of actions.

[Moledet]

Huh? How do you know that?

Polls.


That's arguable
Again i'm counting on polls, and the polls show that there's a big Jewish majority against the plan.




The raid was called on in the first place because settlers allegedly (neither of us can know whether this true or wrong) shot and abused Palestinians. I don't see why you're so happy that it was cancelled, unless you support this kind of actions.
It was all self defense, religious people won't risk violating the shabbat unless it's a matter of life or death.

[Uri24]

Huh? How do you know that?

Polls.

Wait... so if I'd said, a few months ago, that over 70% of the Israeli population supports the withdrawl - you would believe me?


That's arguable
Again i'm counting on polls, and the polls show that there's a big Jewish majority against the plan.

Same thing as above



The raid was called on in the first place because settlers allegedly (neither of us can know whether this true or wrong) shot and abused Palestinians. I don't see why you're so happy that it was cancelled, unless you support this kind of actions.
It was all self defense, religious people won't risk violating the shabbat unless it's a matter of life or death.

It was thursday night... more than 12 hours from the "shabbat". And even if it was shabbat - do you suggest that we should stop all law enforcing actions on "shabbat"? Furthermore - do you claim that if the police had tried to do it on sunday there would be no resistance?

[Moledet]

Uri, polls are usually very accurate in Israel, and if it shows a slight majority for the plan over the whole population and a much lower support by the Jewish population they can't be that much wrong.
The plan has about 35% support from the Jewish population, that's nothing, even if the poll is wrong in 10% it will change nothing.

When I talked about violating shabbat I referred to the incident on the beach with the Palestinians and not with the police.

[Uri24]

Uri, polls are usually very accurate in Israel, and if it shows a slight majority for the plan over the whole population and a much lower support by the Jewish population they can't be that much wrong.
The plan has about 35% support from the Jewish population, that's nothing, even if the poll is wrong in 10% it will change nothing.

So you would agree? (That 70% of the populations suppported the disengagement plan a few months ago)
And as for the Israeli Arabs/Israeli Palestinians - if your persumptions were true than the Arab parties would have had 25 sits in the Knesset, and not 13 (Not sure about the excact number), like they have now. Furthermore, many of them refuse to take any part in political activity in Israel (Yes, even if it's for their "own good") simply because they don't want to be considered as people who coporate with the "Zionists"

When I talked about violating shabbat I referred to the incident on the beach with the Palestinians and not with the police.
Can you give more details? I was referring earlier to your happiness about the fact that the raid to catch settlers who were suspects in allegedly abusing innocent people wasn't executed.

[Moledet]

Uri, polls are usually very accurate in Israel, and if it shows a slight majority for the plan over the whole population and a much lower support by the Jewish population they can't be that much wrong.
The plan has about 35% support from the Jewish population, that's nothing, even if the poll is wrong in 10% it will change nothing.

So you would agree? (That 70% of the populations suppported the disengagement plan a few months ago)
And as for the Israeli Arabs/Israeli Palestinians - if your persumptions were true than the Arab parties would have had 25 sits in the Knesset, and not 13 (Not sure about the excact number), like they have now. Furthermore, many of them refuse to take any part in political activity in Israel (Yes, even if it's for their "own good") simply because they don't want to be considered as people who coporate with the "Zionists"

When I talked about violating shabbat I referred to the incident on the beach with the Palestinians and not with the police.
Can you give more details? I was referring earlier to your happiness about the fact that the raid to catch settlers who were suspects in allegedly abusing innocent people wasn't executed.
No, I wouldn't because a poll in Ma'ariv from about a month ago showed a 52% support, and it's dropping.

The so called attack on Palestinians was made on Shabbat, it has no sense since orthodox Jews won't violate the Shbbat unless it's a matter of life or death.

[Uri24]

Uri, polls are usually very accurate in Israel, and if it shows a slight majority for the plan over the whole population and a much lower support by the Jewish population they can't be that much wrong.
The plan has about 35% support from the Jewish population, that's nothing, even if the poll is wrong in 10% it will change nothing.

So you would agree? (That 70% of the populations suppported the disengagement plan a few months ago)
And as for the Israeli Arabs/Israeli Palestinians - if your persumptions were true than the Arab parties would have had 25 sits in the Knesset, and not 13 (Not sure about the excact number), like they have now. Furthermore, many of them refuse to take any part in political activity in Israel (Yes, even if it's for their "own good") simply because they don't want to be considered as people who coporate with the "Zionists"

When I talked about violating shabbat I referred to the incident on the beach with the Palestinians and not with the police.
Can you give more details? I was referring earlier to your happiness about the fact that the raid to catch settlers who were suspects in allegedly abusing innocent people wasn't executed.
No, I wouldn't because a poll in Ma'ariv from about a month ago showed a 52% support, and it's dropping.

The so called attack on Palestinians was made on Shabbat, it has no sense since orthodox Jews won't violate the Shbbat unless it's a matter of life or death.

It's a fact that a few months ago (not a month and not two months... about 4 months, I think) the polls showed that over 70% of the population support the withdrawl. So, what? Did you believe to those polls or not?

Correct me if I'm wrong - but another reason to "violate" the Shabbat is when people invade your land, isn't it? This "argument" can be easily used, just about anywhere. Regardless if what I said is true or wrong - I don't buy this argument. Rules can be twsited by one's faith - especially rules that aren't enforced by anyone.

[Moledet]

Uri, polls are usually very accurate in Israel, and if it shows a slight majority for the plan over the whole population and a much lower support by the Jewish population they can't be that much wrong.
The plan has about 35% support from the Jewish population, that's nothing, even if the poll is wrong in 10% it will change nothing.

So you would agree? (That 70% of the populations suppported the disengagement plan a few months ago)
And as for the Israeli Arabs/Israeli Palestinians - if your persumptions were true than the Arab parties would have had 25 sits in the Knesset, and not 13 (Not sure about the excact number), like they have now. Furthermore, many of them refuse to take any part in political activity in Israel (Yes, even if it's for their "own good") simply because they don't want to be considered as people who coporate with the "Zionists"

When I talked about violating shabbat I referred to the incident on the beach with the Palestinians and not with the police.
Can you give more details? I was referring earlier to your happiness about the fact that the raid to catch settlers who were suspects in allegedly abusing innocent people wasn't executed.
No, I wouldn't because a poll in Ma'ariv from about a month ago showed a 52% support, and it's dropping.

The so called attack on Palestinians was made on Shabbat, it has no sense since orthodox Jews won't violate the Shbbat unless it's a matter of life or death.

It's a fact that a few months ago (not a month and not two months... about 4 months, I think) the polls showed that over 70% of the population support the withdrawl. So, what? Did you believe to those polls or not?

Correct me if I'm wrong - but another reason to "violate" the Shabbat is when people invade your land, isn't it? This "argument" can be easily used, just about anywhere. Regardless if what I said is true or wrong - I don't buy this argument. Rules can be twsited by one's faith - especially rules that aren't enforced by anyone.
Let's not count on polls, in August you'd see hundreds of thousands of civilians in Gush Katif, thousands of soldiers and hundreds of them will refuse their ilegal order and the rest probably won't try that hard to evict their brothers.

Hmmm, I've seen Palestinians lie way too many times, either they are afraid to tell the truth because of the sick society they live in or because they try to hurt Israel. I won't believe them as long as I hear a counter argument.

BTW:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3104389,00.html
And that's the support for what is considered a radical plan since it endagers people lives.
Just to put you into persepective, 20% is over a million people.

[Uri24]

Uri, polls are usually very accurate in Israel, and if it shows a slight majority for the plan over the whole population and a much lower support by the Jewish population they can't be that much wrong.
The plan has about 35% support from the Jewish population, that's nothing, even if the poll is wrong in 10% it will change nothing.

So you would agree? (That 70% of the populations suppported the disengagement plan a few months ago)
And as for the Israeli Arabs/Israeli Palestinians - if your persumptions were true than the Arab parties would have had 25 sits in the Knesset, and not 13 (Not sure about the excact number), like they have now. Furthermore, many of them refuse to take any part in political activity in Israel (Yes, even if it's for their "own good") simply because they don't want to be considered as people who coporate with the "Zionists"

When I talked about violating shabbat I referred to the incident on the beach with the Palestinians and not with the police.
Can you give more details? I was referring earlier to your happiness about the fact that the raid to catch settlers who were suspects in allegedly abusing innocent people wasn't executed.
No, I wouldn't because a poll in Ma'ariv from about a month ago showed a 52% support, and it's dropping.

The so called attack on Palestinians was made on Shabbat, it has no sense since orthodox Jews won't violate the Shbbat unless it's a matter of life or death.

It's a fact that a few months ago (not a month and not two months... about 4 months, I think) the polls showed that over 70% of the population support the withdrawl. So, what? Did you believe to those polls or not?

Correct me if I'm wrong - but another reason to "violate" the Shabbat is when people invade your land, isn't it? This "argument" can be easily used, just about anywhere. Regardless if what I said is true or wrong - I don't buy this argument. Rules can be twsited by one's faith - especially rules that aren't enforced by anyone.
Let's not count on polls, in August you'd see hundreds of thousands of civilians in Gush Katif, thousands of soldiers and hundreds of them will refuse their ilegal order and the rest probably won't try that hard to evict their brothers.

Hmmm, I've seen Palestinians lie way too many times, either they are afraid to tell the truth because of the sick society they live in or because they try to hurt Israel. I won't believe them as long as I hear a counter argument.

BTW:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3104389,00.htmlAnd that's the support for what is considered a radical plan since it endagers people lives.
Just to put you into persepective, 20% is over a million people.

You contradict yourself over there.

As for the second part - if they havn't done anything they wouldn't resist, would they? Otherwise, I can't see any reason for it. They are no different (and probably are worse) than the extreme left-wing activists - they don't care about laws, redlines, etc - just about their own fanatic ideology.

[Moledet]

Uri, polls are usually very accurate in Israel, and if it shows a slight majority for the plan over the whole population and a much lower support by the Jewish population they can't be that much wrong.
The plan has about 35% support from the Jewish population, that's nothing, even if the poll is wrong in 10% it will change nothing.

So you would agree? (That 70% of the populations suppported the disengagement plan a few months ago)
And as for the Israeli Arabs/Israeli Palestinians - if your persumptions were true than the Arab parties would have had 25 sits in the Knesset, and not 13 (Not sure about the excact number), like they have now. Furthermore, many of them refuse to take any part in political activity in Israel (Yes, even if it's for their "own good") simply because they don't want to be considered as people who coporate with the "Zionists"

When I talked about violating shabbat I referred to the incident on the beach with the Palestinians and not with the police.
Can you give more details? I was referring earlier to your happiness about the fact that the raid to catch settlers who were suspects in allegedly abusing innocent people wasn't executed.
No, I wouldn't because a poll in Ma'ariv from about a month ago showed a 52% support, and it's dropping.

The so called attack on Palestinians was made on Shabbat, it has no sense since orthodox Jews won't violate the Shbbat unless it's a matter of life or death.

It's a fact that a few months ago (not a month and not two months... about 4 months, I think) the polls showed that over 70% of the population support the withdrawl. So, what? Did you believe to those polls or not?

Correct me if I'm wrong - but another reason to "violate" the Shabbat is when people invade your land, isn't it? This "argument" can be easily used, just about anywhere. Regardless if what I said is true or wrong - I don't buy this argument. Rules can be twsited by one's faith - especially rules that aren't enforced by anyone.
Let's not count on polls, in August you'd see hundreds of thousands of civilians in Gush Katif, thousands of soldiers and hundreds of them will refuse their ilegal order and the rest probably won't try that hard to evict their brothers.

Hmmm, I've seen Palestinians lie way too many times, either they are afraid to tell the truth because of the sick society they live in or because they try to hurt Israel. I won't believe them as long as I hear a counter argument.

BTW:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3104389,00.htmlAnd that's the support for what is considered a radical plan since it endagers people lives.
Just to put you into persepective, 20% is over a million people.

You contradict yourself over there.

As for the second part - if they havn't done anything they wouldn't resist, would they? Otherwise, I can't see any reason for it. They are no different (and probably are worse) than the extreme left-wing activists - they don't care about laws, redlines, etc - just about their own fanatic ideology.
They said that they'll come to the police station for an interrogation.

[Uri24]

Fact remains that they didn't so far, as far as I know. (Trying to make a flase version, perhaps?)