Muslum Youth Soccer Teams Glorify Terror

[obd]

With names like Mujahideen and Intifada and Jihad, its no wonder organizers forced these youth teams to change thier names to more peaceful ones. Clearly, the names were of a political nature and indicate widespread support for radical Islam and Islamic terrorism in general. Just a peaceful game of soccor my ass. It must be very offensive indeed for Jewisdh Californians whose family's have been killed my Islamists. I know it is offensive to me as one of my cousins died Sept 11 during Trade Center collapses. Here is link:
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=519&ncid=519&e=2&u=/ap/20040105/ap_on_re_us/muslim_football

[non-zero possibility]

I feel for you but to bad... they can name themselves how they see fit. It sucks but we fight for freedom, and that freedom alows them to have that name. When we accept everyone and what they belive we accept both good and bad.

[Andyman]

I think that people who get upset about this sort of thing are stupid. What is the friggin big deal if someone wants to call them self a Muslim Warrior there are clearly more links to ISlamic past in that phrase than in terrorism. That jewish psychologist is a fag if you ask me, the people were playing football for ****'s sake, they were in no way causing terrorism or formulating some grand terrorist plot.

"This deeply offends" me said the over eccentric moron, well I say "STFU"

:fork:

[obd]

Andyman, if anyones a moron its you and I dont know how you came up with "overeccentric moron" but at least it was mildly creative and I got a laugh out of it. The fact that Muslum youth in California have all named thier teams after terrorists or Islamist radical movements is a very BIG warning sign of the general mood and is important in that it provides a wake up call to people who think radicalism only exists in places of war where civil liberties are restricted. Jeez man, all I did was post the article. If you think it no big concern than why dont you just leave without making some assenine and truly idiotic post and leave the thread to those who want ot discuss important trends instead of just look at pictures of Delta Force and dream about shooting people

[One?]

Mujahideen and Jihad are not terrorist names. But you and people who lack knowledge like you convince themselves that they are.

[non-zero possibility]

Jhiad dose not even mean holy war it means in the name of god, or somthing to that effect, People just connect "hotwords" to things,

[StarvingStudent47]

Life would be a lot easier if people just named their sports teams after animals. Denver Broncos? Michigan Wolverines? My home team (University of Oregon) may have a shockingly dumb mascot (the Ducks), but at least it doesn't offend people.

[EvanL]

Life would be a lot easier if people just named their sports teams after animals. Denver Broncos? Michigan Wolverines? My home team (University of Oregon) may have a shockingly dumb mascot (the Ducks), but at least it doesn't offend people.
With the way they play, i think ducks would be offended if they knew.

[StarvingStudent47]

With the way they play, i think ducks would be offended if they knew.

We beat Michigan this year. And that ain't too shabby. How a duck beats up a wolverine, I'm not sure, but it happened.

[obd]

yes "one", thats the classic flawed argument you, and people like you, use to deflate posts like this. Yes of course I know the history of the term "jihad". Most Muslums believe that the most important "jihad" is the inner battle agaisnt ones own corruption etc. Im not some moron. I also know that, technically at least, mujahideen means nothing more than "holy warrior" or "warrior of God". But lets be realistic here and not skirt the real issue. Its clear that mixing teams like "Intifada", "Mujahideen", "Infidel" and "Jihad" is not positive in this sense. In addition, those were not the only inflamatory names used. Just run a search on this or check local Cali news. Its clear that, in naming the team Jihad, these Muslum youths were insinuating violent struggle agasint the infidel (another teams name) West. There is no reason to name a soccer team a name like that. To argue that its not about terrorism and that its apolitical is equivilant to saying that the confederate flag flying on truckers 18 wheelers has nothing to do with racism and everything to do with "conservative southern values". To any reasonable person, thats just a load of bullocks. Im a realist and I know that some of you are going to play the poltically correct card and give them the benefit of the doubt but I doubt many of you would be so passive if teams with names like "Christian Crusades" and "******s" and "White Trash" and "Japs" and "Chinks" began appearing. Hell, I remmember the bruhaha when a local team named themselves "Japs" and a whole bunch of Japanese took offense and I agree with them. Maybe you cant see how a name can be offensive to others but you should at least be able to put yourself in their shoes and understand that some terms carry deep emotions for people and mean nothing to others. Those Japanese were not "morons" or "crazy" but they were sensitive to that kind of term which has very negative conotations for them. You probably havnt had half your family murdered by Islamists like some Israeli people and you probably dont face a wave of anti semetism greater than that of Nazi Germany at its height which now exists in much of the Arab world and you probably havnt lost a loved one to Islamist terrorists like Osama Bin Laden as I have. So please, instead of just calling me a "moron" or an "eccentric" just because I am offended while you are not, why dont you post some kind of intelligent argument or do a little more research on these teams before you make a conclusion. Of course, there are also people that still support "seperate but equal" Jim Crow laws in this country so I wont be surprised if you fail to take my advise.

[EvanL]

yes "one", thats the classic flawed argument you, and people like you, use to deflate posts like this. Yes of course I know the history of the term "jihad". Most Muslums believe that the most important "jihad" is the inner battle agaisnt ones own corruption etc. Im not some moron. I also know that, technically at least, mujahideen means nothing more than "holy warrior" or "warrior of God". But lets be realistic here and not skirt the real issue. Its clear that mixing teams like "Intifada", "Mujahideen", "Infidel" and "Jihad" is not positive in this sense. In addition, those were not the only inflamatory names used. Just run a search on this or check local Cali news. Its clear that, in naming the team Jihad, these Muslum youths were insinuating violent struggle agasint the infidel (another teams name) West. There is no reason to name a soccer team a name like that. To argue that its not about terrorism and that its apolitical is equivilant to saying that the confederate flag flying on truckers 18 wheelers has nothing to do with racism and everything to do with "conservative southern values". To any reasonable person, thats just a load of bullocks. Im a realist and I know that some of you are going to play the poltically correct card and give them the benefit of the doubt but I doubt many of you would be so passive if teams with names like "Christian Crusades" and "******s" and "White Trash" and "Japs" and "Chinks" began appearing. Hell, I remmember the bruhaha when a local team named themselves "Japs" and a whole bunch of Japanese took offense and I agree with them. Maybe you cant see how a name can be offensive to others but you should at least be able to put yourself in their shoes and understand that some terms carry deep emotions for people and mean nothing to others. Those Japanese were not "morons" or "crazy" but they were sensitive to that kind of term which has very negative conotations for them. You probably havnt had half your family murdered by Islamists like some Israeli people and you probably dont face a wave of anti semetism greater than that of Nazi Germany at its height which now exists in much of the Arab world and you probably havnt lost a loved one to Islamist terrorists like Osama Bin Laden as I have. So please, instead of just calling me a "moron" or an "eccentric" just because I am offended while you are not, why dont you post some kind of intelligent argument or do a little more research on these teams before you make a conclusion. Of course, there are also people that still support "seperate but equal" Jim Crow laws in this country so I wont be surprised if you fail to take my advise.
You blew this way to out of proportion my friend.

[stuntman]

Listen you liberals!
I agree this is offensive!
Imagine there was a jewish team named the Israeli stone suppressors imagine all the backlash especially from liberal leftwinged people!
It's offensive cuz im not jewish (maybe sensitive) but in football names are meant to instill fear in your opossing team, not to offend people who die on a daily basis!

[EvanL]

Listen you liberals!
I agree this is offensive!
Imagine there was a jewish team named the Israeli stone suppressors imagine all the backlash especially from liberal leftwinged people!
It's offensive cuz im not jewish (maybe sensitive) but in football names are meant to instill fear in your opossing team, not to offend people who die on a daily basis!
Wat he said is good enough. Now shut up everyone and hug a tree.

[non-zero possibility]

This is america, dont tell me I am giving out libral bull**** when I am saying it dosent matter what the hell they name themselves, and I am sorry some of you are affected by terrorism, but you cant do anything about it this is THE US, we are a free country, thay have the rights you have, and because of that can name themselves what they see fit, So It sucks your offended but 1000000 things offend 1000000 people daily so live with it.

[stuntman]

This is america, dont tell me I am giving out libral bull**** when I am saying it dosent matter what the hell they name themselves, and I am sorry some of you are affected by terrorism, but you cant do anything about it this is THE US, we are a free country, thay have the rights you have, and because of that can name themselves what they see fit, So It sucks your offended but 1000000 things offend 1000000 people daily so live with it.
I understand your point but! I was in those building that day and I ran for my life, I came home covered in dust of dead humans not Americans or new Yorkers but of People from all countries including Americans, this is how bad behavior starts! It must be suppressed in its infancy or start wearing running shoes and that new parashute from tactical to practical (US TV show). And non zero we are free and I think you haven't grasped the idea on how much they hate us! It's not really a American thing it's our culture. They must be stoped and the only way to do it is pre emtion! Even if it's something silly like that football team. I bet if you were to asked them if they like Jews or even White Americans they would say hell no! Mind you that eats at my core because I am 3rd gen American but my family came over from Puerto Rico, and when ever some one doesnt like Americans or even white or jews I am uterly offended (sorry my spelling is so bad) because we are all in this together. I get offended if they make a remark againts someone from Canada or England or from any western state, because these countries although I might not like there remarks about the USA they were there for us when we were attacked and I never ever forget that! I even like the french (sometimes)!
So we must all be vigilant and together and we must be nice to the Canadians even if they know they are second best in hockey!
(I had to throw that in lol )

http://www.cnnsi.com/thenetwork/news/2000/02/21/cnnsicomprofile_miracleonice/t1_usa_all.jpg

[EvanL]

This is america, dont tell me I am giving out libral bull**** when I am saying it dosent matter what the hell they name themselves, and I am sorry some of you are affected by terrorism, but you cant do anything about it this is THE US, we are a free country, thay have the rights you have, and because of that can name themselves what they see fit, So It sucks your offended but 1000000 things offend 1000000 people daily so live with it.
I understand your point but! I was in those building that day and I ran for my life, I came home covered in dust of dead humans not Americans or new Yorkers but of People from all countries including Americans, this is how bad behavior starts! It must be suppressed in its infancy or start wearing running shoes and that new parashute from tactical to practical (US TV show). And non zero we are free and I think you haven't grasped the idea on how much they hate us! It's not really a American thing it's our culture. They must be stoped and the only way to do it is pre emtion! Even if it's something silly like that football team. I bet if you were to asked them if they like Jews or even White Americans they would say hell no! Mind you that eats at my core because I am 3rd gen American but my family came over from Puerto Rico, and when ever some one doesnt like Americans or even white or jews I am uterly offended (sorry my spelling is so bad) because we are all in this together. I get offended if they make a remark againts someone from Canada or England or from any western state, because these countries although I might not like there remarks about the USA they were there for us when we were attacked and I never ever forget that! I even like the french (sometimes)!
So we must all be vigilant and together and we must be nice to the Canadians even if they know they are second best in hockey!
(I had to throw that in lol )

http://www.cnnsi.com/thenetwork/news/2000/02/21/cnnsicomprofile_miracleonice/t1_usa_all.jpg

Keep on praying man. You will never be better than us.

[obd]

Well yes I am offended but the real issue I wanted to bring up is the influence American Imans at the mosques these young men attend have over them. This topic was originally intended to lead into that but I got a little sidetrack defending the entire post!! Anyway, as anyone who follows the news knows, several mosques in the United States were raided by the FBI and the SBI (of each state) for links to terrorist organizations, or freedom fighters if your a liberal. (just kidding :D ) In some cases the raids were unjustified by the evidence. In others, virtual treasure troves of information were found linking many of the attendies and Mosque leaders to terror in other nations such as Chechnya, India, Phillipines, Indonesia, Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc... Anyway, what worries me is that radical Islam has infiltrated what used to be moderate Muslum mosques and it has begun radicalizing many Muslum American youths. Now its one thing to speak your mind in this country but its another to be a part of a concerted Islamist effort to provide a base of support for terrorist strikes in the interior. Now, Im not trying to be an alarmist, or the next McKarthy (spelling?) because I dont think it has gotten to an alarming level YET, but it is a known long term strategy of Al Queda to radicalize as many Mosques as possible to provide fertile grounds for new recruits with American citizenship. This strategy was in thier own papers published via internet and also found in Afghanistan and backed up by the arrest of Imams with strong ties to Al Queda post 9/11. One can also see this in the now famous "Finsberry (spelling ?) Mosque in England which has had numerous raids and has been constantly watched by British police and secret service as a hotbed of Islamism. The shoebomber Richard Reed, for example, was a recent convert to that mosque. Now, I am not proposing going after these youths but I think this story does highlight, or at least it should draw attention to, Mosques in that area of California or anywhere else where evidence of radicalization is seen. These Imams, and Im not saying ALL or even MOST Imams, but these few Imans have the ability to do alot of damage and represent a huge threat to American security and civil society. It is just my opinion that they need to be watched carefully and a radicalizing youth is a sure sign that something fishy is going on in the local Mosque. I think that people in America do not have the right to support or be a member of a terrorist organization actively seeking to attack fellow citizens and I believe people do not have to right to give aid to these organizations, be it in the form of money, weapons, moral support, ideological support (as in Fatwahs) etc... It just worries me slightly to see signs of such widespread acceptance among Muslum youth of violent persuits such as Jihad (or at least the form of Jihad they were referring to). Anyway, 150 kids with teams like Jihad and Infidel may not be such a big deal but I am trying to simply use it as an example and make the point that the earlier this kind of thing is come down upon and the earlier people show they will not accept these kinds of names being used in a flippant manner, the better off society will be. Radicalism needs to be fought in its infancy when it is not a threat, not after its blown up to an unmanagable mess by radical Imams with the religious authority to preach Gods word as they wish it to be interpreted to impressionable youths.

[stateofequilibrium]

A) LEARN TO USE PARAGRAPHS! THEY ARE YOUR FRIEND!

B) Take a chill pill

C) Now, if they named themselves Waffen-SS, that would be offensive yes. What if, instead of Soldier of Islam they said Soldier of God? Is it not wholly unbelievable for a Jewish team to maybe call themselves Soldiers of Abraham, or Soldiers of God as well?

Because everyone on that team is Muslim, they wanted to make a name to sound imposing.. what is wrong with that? But everyone gets their panties in a knot and cries terrorist, anyone else see the inherent racism in that line of thinking? Those terms have been around a lot longer than 9-11 or Osama Bin Laden.

I'm pretty sure Muslims would also be upset if a Jewish team called themselves the IDF league. Or Anti-Defamation league for that matter.

You've all lost your perspective in a sea of political correctness. History and the power of a word cannot disappear because a madman wishes to shout it at the top of his lung while killing innocents.

I mean, how about that campus organization? Campus Crusades for Christ? I'm pretty sure Muslims and Turks would be mighty pissed off at the usage of the word Crusades.

[stuntman]

Well said odb! I mean this is how racism in the USA was lowered, it started with teachers and intergration at a early and tender years of young Americans now it's ok to be a minority in the US and state you are American! I hope we get way ahead of this but I feel it's coming. It's going to be soemthing the French are going to have to deal with, then the **** really hits the fan!

Keep on praying man. You will never be better than us.

I knew you would appreciate that! lol

[EvanL]

Well said odb! I mean this is how racism in the USA was lowered, it started with teachers and intergration at a early and tender years of young Americans now it's ok to be a minority in the US and state you are American! I hope we get way ahead of this but I feel it's coming. It's going to be soemthing the French are going to have to deal with, then the **** really hits the fan!

Keep on praying man. You will never be better than us.

I knew you would appreciate that! lol
Are you woodland?

[stuntman]

YES!
Weep em man it's America!
Yes I am the one who used to terror EYZ the post!
But I have my new medication so Im better!

[EvanL]

YES!
Weep em man it's America!
Yes I am the one who used to terror EYZ the post!
But I have my new medication so Im better!
Im still waiting for that showdown were supposed to have. You challenged me to meet you man. Im waiting
:lol:

[stuntman]

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It's cold in Canada!

[StarvingStudent47]

Hockey is a silly sport.

That said, I'm still not going to dis Canada because Crown Royal is the best whisky ever.

[EvanL]

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It's cold in Canada!
Well your in luck. I live in NYC. Morningside heights.

[obd]

Rolling On Floor Laughing My Ass Off!!!!!!!! EvenLoyd, man I was thinking the EXACT same thing when I read "stuntmans" posts. At first I wasnt sure (but I strongly suspected) but when I saw "weep em man, its America" my worst fears were confirmed. Woodland has somehow managed to survive several months. Well Woodland, Im glad you got some meds down your pipes but I just wish I could tell that they helped you. Your kinda making me look bad here just be agreeing with me hehehehe. Anyway, I am no racist nor am I anti-Islamic. My sister is a Muslum and I associate with Muslum friends whom she brings over and I have come to know as good people. But it doesnt change the fact that , at least in this conext, these Muslum soccer(football) youths were trying to be political and were glorifying terrorism. Its not that I hear the word "Jihad" or "Mujahideen" and automatically think TERRORIST. I, as should all, take things in the context in which they occur. In this case, as I said earlier, these youths were expressing support for radical Islamist type ideology. In todays world, one does not go around screaming Jihad without knowing what people will expect. Everyone knows what Jihad means to todays world, not 3000 years ago. Maybe if the teams had called themselves just Jihad and Mujahideen I could believe that it was innocent but when taken in context of the other names such as Infidel and Intifada (which is a term of almost singular definition referring to the Palestinain uprising) it is clear to anyone with half a brain what these Muslum youths were expressing. So lets be real people and not just politically correct please!!!

[stateofequilibrium]

I'm sorry, maybe it was addressed in an article I have not yet read. But I haven't read anywhere that they were trying to make a political message out of the name of their football team.

They were just trying to make a name based off of their faith that sounded imposing, nowhere have I read, yet, they were trying to espouse radical beliefs.

[stuntman]

Don't worry odb or EvanLloyd I only reserve the coat holding comments for the picture post but I have said what needed to be!
Plus at the start I came here to annoy and act imature and after awile I started gaining knowledge and understanding more about different people from other countries, and I really value that! Now there is someone who calls them self woodland on the furom. But they took my name and that person is extreamly annoying so I took stuntman and if you knew me you would understand.
and if your from Morningside heights your deffinetly a walk in the park! No offence but it's true!
Plus I have been dating a muslim woman for a couple of months and evanloyld should know that girls in NYC are not mature and she is very mature , so go figure on lessons of life!

coat holders!

Oh man your making Mr. Hyde come out!

[obd]

Wow "The Real Woodland", your meds sure didnt help you make any more sense at all. Its as if you have 10,000 random thoughts in your head competing with what your desperately trying to say. Oh well. And as I said earlier, the Yahoo / AP. /Rueters link I gave out is not the only place you can find info on this news story. Go run a google search. There are plenty of news sources that carried this story. Anyway, I dont buy it, and neither should anyone else, that the team name "Intifada" or "Infidel" was just an innocent way of intimidating the other teams. Come on people, what happened to your brains!! Are you really that nieve!!??!! These are not 5 year old kids we are talking about whose parents decided on the name. These are people as old as you and I (18-25) or at least as old as many of us on this forum. Im sorry, but I could name my soccer team "******z" or "KKK" or "white brotherhood" to intimidate a moslty black team I was up against and that wouldnt make it ok and nobody would buy my load of crap that I did it just to intimidate and I meant no offense. What if some German football team happened to play a Jewish team and the Germans called themselves the "Einsatzgruppen". For those that dont know, the Einsatzgruppen were killing squads that operated mostly, although not exclusively, in the Soviet Campaign called "Barbarossa" whose job was to kill off all or most Jews as well as any resistance cadres or any other people deemed undesirable. In reality, this meant killing or deporting most of those who fell under thier control. Anyway, would anyone in thier right mind accept the fact that the German team was just trying to intimidate and meant no real harm. Of course not!!! So dont be a hipocrit then!! Im sure some people just cant see whats right in front of thier face but these "Muslum youths" wernt just about innocent names. These names were designed to intimidate and offend Jews and people such as myself who have had loved ones killed by "jihadists" and so-called/self styled "mujahideen". Im sorry but that kinda crap isnt a harmless kids joke to me!

[Andyman]

Thank you One and Thank you Evanloyd. It's good to have backup like yourselves when I was too rushed to pose a clear argument :cantbeli:

Odb think about um lets see a name like "THE CRUSADERS" and then think about the history of that name. Yes you guessed it a good old christian massacre that was morally justified, NOPE not at all. In fact the crusades were a friggin rediculous pilgrimage that costed the lives of hundreds of thousands of lives. However teams today are allowed to bear that name because what...yes its because mankind has largely forgotten about most of that ****, and the English ruled the world for a long time filling everyones little head with propaghada right after they took over a new country.
Anyways just because terrorism seems to be the hot new topic in the world it doesn't mean that the true meaning of certain words or phrases is lost in the somewhat meager understanding that we desensitized individuals have of another culture. The names of the teams are not "kill the Jews" or the "anti israel brigade" they are names that are holy to the islamic culture and clearly the muslims were using them in that fashion. Therefore as I once wrote overecentrics not required people need to chill out.
Besides to throw another twist in the story look at all religions and you'll probably be very surprised. Jews are told they are the promised race chosen by god, and much better people than everyone else, I know this cause I have been in a synagogue and have read Jewish history extensively from many different sources. Christians are told that everyone else is wrong and that it is their duty to convert everyone into their faith. They are told that the other people of the world simply do not know any better. So what do you think about that chumeroo

[StarvingStudent47]

They were just trying to make a name based off of their faith that sounded imposing, nowhere have I read, yet, they were trying to espouse radical beliefs.

Well, I'd agree to that with the name "Mujahadeen." And if they used the name "the Los Angeles Saracens," it'd be equivalent to "the Las Vegas Spartans" or something like that. Perfectly fine. But there is NO way to claim that "intifada" is not politically-charged and deliberately inflammatory. Come on folks, this is 2004 not 1000ad. We all know what "intifada" refers to. Whether you oppose it or not, "intifada" refers to Palestinians launching terrorist attacks against Israel. "Intifada" refers to that and that alone.

I'd have more respect for these players if they said "yes, these team names were meant to have political meaning and make some people mad." But to name a team INTIFADA and then claim it wasn't supposed to have political meaning is a whiny, pathetic way to weasel out of the spotlight they brought upon themselves.

Parallel: if a Jewish football team called themselves "the Maccabees," it would not be political. If they called themselves "the house demolishers," it WOULD be political. Common sense really.

I'm not saying that they should be banned from using a politically-charged team name. But to deny that the name INTIFADA is inflammatory is utter BS.

[StarvingStudent47]

Anyways just because terrorism seems to be the hot new topic in the world it doesn't mean that the true meaning of certain words or phrases is lost in the somewhat meager understanding that we desensitized individuals have of another culture. The names of the teams are not "kill the Jews" or the "anti israel brigade" they are names that are holy to the islamic culture and clearly the muslims were using them in that fashion.

Actually, I've spent a decent time researching Muslim history and culture, and I'm unaware of ANY use of the term "Intifada" before 1987 (the start of the First Intifada, which, like the current Intifada, was a Palestinian terrorist campaign against Israel). There was no such thing as "Intifada" in the Abbasid Empire or 14th-century Muslim Spain. If you know of a counter-example, I'd be interested to hear it.

The word "intifada," unlike the word "jihad," does not have a long and convoluted history with many possible meanings.


Besides to throw another twist in the story look at all religions and you'll probably be very surprised. Jews are told they are the promised race chosen by god, and much better people than everyone else, I know this cause I have been in a synagogue and have read Jewish history extensively from many different sources. Christians are told that everyone else is wrong and that it is their duty to convert everyone into their faith. They are told that the other people of the world simply do not know any better. So what do you think about that chumeroo

I think you never recovered from being dumped by a Jewish girl. That's what I think, chumeroo.

[Andyman]

It was hard but I did chumeroo. It became quite easy after I found some new hobbies or lets say increasing my intensity in others. Take Soccer for example or School or Work. I dont understand why you decided to throw in that comment, whats your reasoning?

Besides wasn't Intifida a name given to the attacks and that is simply what they have been called since then. I don't think that the name intifida is proper however its the same thing everywhere. thats why my Jewish friends say that Iraq should be turned into a lake and my Muslim friends refer to Israel as Palestine and nothing else. People will do it but it dont mean they are terrorists, the damage has already been done