Illegal Immigration Good For Society

[Brentmeister]

The numerous warnings have up until now been ignored and brushed aside as racist bigotry by the smug chattering classes and corrupt lunatic left. Well, the chickens have well and truly come home to roost. No good complaining now, it's all too little too late. Prior to the UK elections in May 2005, BBC's Jeremy Paxman asked Prime Minister Blair "How many illegals are in the UK", Blair was asked the same question no less thn 20 times. True to form the trained barrister/shyster wriggled, sweated and squirmed, avoiding giving straight answers to straight questions. Funny how one month after an election the figures mysteriously appear.

On a densely populated Island the size of the UK, issues on Health, Housing, Crime, and Road Congestion are all inextricably linked to those that take and those that contribute. The big question is, do illegal immigrants contribute to British and American society? Most definitely the answer is yes. Without illegal immigrants the black market would be on it's knees , Violent crime would be down and the Health service would need to downsize due to having fewer patients. In other words if it were not for illegal immigrants, the legal cronies, government quangos and left wing beurocrat's would all be joining the ever growing ranks of unemployed Prison Officers , Doctors, Nurses and Dentists.

Do illegals contribute positively to society? Most definitely not. These greedy miscreants undercut British/American workers, maintain an overheated housing rental market and steal whatever they can lay their hands on, and most importantly pay nothing into the social pot i.e. direct taxes or national insurance. Therefore i conclude all illegals including terrorists, are a serious burden on both society and the honest hard working, highly taxed, indigenous population. All should now have their grubby collars felt and deported forthwith.

We can all argue the rights and wrongs of the benefits in allowing immigrants into the UK/US, however in the UK Blair's left wing social engineering has seriously backfired. We will all now pay a heavy price for his short sighted and corrupt ideals. Blair and his cohort Ms Booth are crooks plain and simple. If it were not for the left wing lunatic Scots, the Conservative leader Michael Howard would now be in No.10. Blair failed to wake up and smell the coffee years ago. Why?. Because he has always preferred the smell of the Yankee dollar and the backside of George W Bush. Britain had a chance to rid this country of this modern day Lord Haw Haw. That chance has now gone and we are stuck in this quagmire for yet another four years.

Fortunately for me, my get out clause in Britain PLC is assured. My personal gold reserves is intact and my personal jet is felled and ready to go. Adios Amigos, enjoy the revolution.

P.S. George did you get my email? The curtains are are being shipped today. What's the weather like in D.C.?

[gaz]

I only seem to remember seeing masses of illegal immigrants in the UK in the last five or so years, is it that recent a problem or did I simply not notice them?

[BigBaribal]

Immigration is not bad in itself: a limited and with enough time immigration can even be positive, either for the host country or the immigrants themselves.

It's only massive immigration which is a disaster by blocking any possible assimilation and producing only communautarism which is the first step to racial and ethnic conflicts.

[BigBaribal]

Btw, isn't it under the conservative governments that the first massive alien immigration waves in Britain happened?

[gaz]

The first large scale immigration into the UK to my knowledge was in 1948 when the Empire Windrush brought 500 West Indians to England under Atlee's Labour government but that was legal. For illegal immigration I honestly don't know which is why I asked what I did above.

[BigBaribal]

The first large scale immigration into the UK to my knowledge was in 1948 when the Empire Windrush brought 500 West Indians to England under Atlee's Labour government but that was legal. For illegal immigration I honestly don't know which is why I asked what I did above.

Ok, thanks for the info.

Btw, I may be wrong, but it seems to me that Indian people use to fit in host countries rather harmoneously.

[Miles.]

These Brentmeister flame threads are just as bad as "How bad do you hate Bush??" threads.

Why do people keep stepping in this dog****? then coming back for more?

[<Gypsum Fantastic>]

Immigration is not bad in itself: a limited and with enough time immigration can even be positive, either for the host country or the immigrants themselves.

It's only massive immigration which is a disaster by blocking any possible assimilation and producing only communautarism which is the first step to racial and ethnic conflicts.

Well said BigBaribal.

I agree. The problem in Britain is not with those immigrants who settled here in the 50's/60's/70's. Most of those immigrants were prepared to work hard and integrate with British society although also retaining their own ethnicity. (Most of course came form British colonies, so they had some idea of what was expected).

The problem is primarily illegal immigration. It's quite simple, if someone has to enter the country illegally, it's because we wouldn't want them here otherwise. They are the drug runners, gangsters, criminals, and leeches on society. And every effort should be made to get illegal immigrants out of our country.

However I feel little is done about illegal immigrants, even when it is well known to the authorities. There is either a lack of power, or a lack of will to do something about them.

[<Gypsum Fantastic>]

The first large scale immigration into the UK to my knowledge was in 1948 when the Empire Windrush brought 500 West Indians to England under Atlee's Labour government but that was legal. For illegal immigration I honestly don't know which is why I asked what I did above.

Ok, thanks for the info.

Btw, I may be wrong, but it seems to me that Indian people use to fit in host countries rather harmoneously.

True. Most Indians are naturally conservative, polite, helpful, well educated and hard working.

If you go back a few decades even most racists didn't have a problem with Asians, but hated blacks.

Now, with the current world situation, it is the other way around.

[Brentmeister]

Why do people keep stepping in this dog****? then coming back for more?

In England it's called an education.

Even while being tortured, Jesus' disciples insisted that they, as well as hundreds of other Jews, had seen Jesus alive. When some were arrested and ordered not to speak about Jesus' resurrection, they responded, "We cannot help speaking about what we have seen and heard!"

Understand the mind of a disciple, then you will have no need to pose the question.

[Para]

It would not be so bad if all these illegal immigrants did not receive welfare, education, health care, and housing with out even having to pay a penny in to the system.

[Brentmeister]

It would not be so bad if all these illegal immigrants did not receive welfare, education, health care, and housing with out even having to pay a penny in to the system.

To be fair illegal immigrants are not entitled to the benefits you speak of. Maybe you are confusing Asylum Seekers and Refugees to illegal immigrants. Big difference. Is it fair that Asylum Seekers should receive such benefits? That's another question.

[Para]

They may not be entitled to it, but they seem to get it anyway.

[luke`]

Immigrants in the UK contribute 2 billion pounds to the economy, AFTER deductions for benefits etc.

Say what you wish about the social impact, but economically they're not bleeding us dry as some would have us believe.

[Brentmeister]

Immigrants in the UK contribute 2 billion pounds to the economy, AFTER deductions for benefits etc.

Say what you wish about the social impact, but economically they're not bleeding us dry as some would have us believe.

With the greatest of respect this discussion is about illegal immigration. Is illegal immigration good for society is the title of the thread. We all know about the Black Economy where Balkan Mafiosi import guns, drugs and prostitution. We all know about the huge upsurge in credit card and identity fraud imported from the Mid East. We all know about the thousands of Muslim terrorists awaiting further instructions for jihad and we all know about the uninsured, unlicensed drivers congesting our roads, killing our pedestrians, being arrested then released only to commit further crimes under another assumed identity.

It is well documented illegals are no strangers to the benefits of false ID's, free medical assistance, free welfare benefits and the holiest of grails a National Insurance Number (US Green Card). All these services are financed by direct and indirect taxes. Do the illegal immigrants pay tax? Not one penny. Blair's sinister motives for flooding the UK with these sponging, venomous snakes will IMO prove the downfall of both British tradition and values. Blair is a traitor pure and simple and will be judged so in the annals of history.

[Flagg]

ILLEGAL immigration is surely bad for a nation.........BOTH sides lose(individual and the state)

The individual is likely to be exploited in terms of work and housing due to their illegal residence

The state goes out of pocket to pay for health care, education, and social services.......and doesn't collect a cent in income/payroll tax.

LEGAL immigration has historically been shown to be extremely beneficial if managed properly.

I expect to see LEGAL immigration to become a big hot button topic in the coming years for thew simple fact that it provides a quick and easy(from the state perspective) way for states with poor demographics(meaning too many old people in the social security system and too few workers to pay for it) to keep the gravy train running.

If Japan(the nation in greatest need of immigration to support it's social security system), a homogenous nation with limited immigration accepts open immigration as a way out of its predicament, I would expect the western world to follow suit.

[BigBaribal]

If Japan(the nation in greatest need of immigration to support it's social security system), a homogenous nation with limited immigration accepts open immigration as a way out of its predicament, I would expect the western world to follow suit.


Japanese are too wise and ethno-conscious for that. Just discuss for instance with a Japanese tourist who has just visit Paris and you'll see that they are not ready to stupidly believe like us in Europe the concept of "diversity-strength".


Once again:

Limited and controlled immigration: possible assimilation. Benefit for all parties.
Immigration without control: cheap labor; social problems; communautarism; balkanisation of the territory; war.

[Brentmeister]

Japanese are too wise and ethno-conscious for that. ..they are not ready to stupidly believe like us in Europe the concept of "diversity-strength"

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