He grabbed girl's arm -- now he's a *** offender

[Legion]

Fitzroy Barnaby said he had to swerve to avoid hitting the 14-year-old Des Plaines girl who walked in front of his car.

She said he yelled, "Come here, little girl," before getting out of his car and grabbing her by the arm.

He said he simply lectured her.

She said she broke free and ran, fearful of what he'd do next.

In a Thursday ruling, the Appellate Court of Illinois said the 28-year-old Evanston man must register as a *** offender.

While acknowledging it might be "unfair for to suffer the stigmatization of being labeled a *** offender when his crime was not ******ly motivated," the court said his actions are the type that are "often a precursor" to a child being abducted or molested.

Though Barnaby was acquitted of attempted kidnapping and child abduction charges stemming from the November 2002 incident, he was convicted of unlawful restraint of a minor -- which is a *** offense.

'Most stupid ruling'

Now, he will have to tell local police where he lives and won't be able to live near a park or school.

"This is the most stupid ruling the appellate court has rendered in years," said Barnaby's Chicago attorney, Frederick Cohn. "If you see a 15-year-old beating up your 8-year-old and you grab that kid's hand and are found guilty of unlawful restraint, do you now have to register as a *** offender?"

But Cook County state's attorney spokesman Tom Stanton said [b]Barnaby should have to register "because of the proclivity of offenders who restrain children to also commit *** acts or other crimes against them."

In the criminal case against him, Cook County Judge Patrick Morse said that "it's more likely than not" Barnaby planned only "to chastise the girl" when he grabbed her, but "I can't read his mind."

"I don't really see the purpose of registration in this case. I really don't," Morse said. "But I feel that I am constrained by the statute."

So he has to register as a *** offender becuase of the "proclivity of offenders". How utterly asinine. Coming soon to a town near you, arrests for someone thinking you may commit a crime.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-molest01.html

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

With the moniker of "Fitzroy Barnaby" and the fact he yells "Come here, little girl" at young females I have this guy pegged as a Grade "A" kiddie feeler, sorry its just a gut feeling that I have.

[Legion]

With the moniker of "Fitzroy Barnaby" and the fact he yells "Come here, little girl" at young females I have this guy pegged as a Grade "A" kiddie feeler, sorry its just a gut feeling that I have.

Didn't think about the name rofl But, you still have to commit the crime, before you are punished for it. I'm not saying he shouldn't get the unlawful restraint or assault or similar, but not the *** offender label.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

With the moniker of "Fitzroy Barnaby" and the fact he yells "Come here, little girl" at young females I have this guy pegged as a Grade "A" kiddie feeler, sorry its just a gut feeling that I have.

Didn't think about the name rofl But, you still have to commit the crime, before you are punished for it. I'm not saying he shouldn't get the unlawful restraint or assault or similar, but not the *** offender label.There was a guy where I used to live that picked up two 15 year old runaway girls and ended up sharing a joint with them which in turn led to a bit of a fumble with one of the girls, the girls when they returned home told all and he was traced and charged the Sheriff (Judge) understood that the guy did not reckon on the girls young age but felt he had no other choice but to place him on the *** Offenders Register so the same stuff happens over here. Funny enough I know the guy pretty well and ever since I have known him he would f*ck a barber shop floor or an open wound for that matter.

[<Gypsum Fantastic>]

While acknowledging it might be "unfair for [Barnaby] to suffer the stigmatization of being labeled a *** offender when his crime was not ******ly motivated," the court said his actions are the type that are "often a precursor" to a child being abducted or molested.

Even someone who abducts a child is not a *** offender, this doesn't make sense.

The guy deserved to be done for something for scaring the child, but this is rediculous.

[sferrin]

While acknowledging it might be "unfair for [Barnaby] to suffer the stigmatization of being labeled a *** offender when his crime was not ******ly motivated," the court said his actions are the type that are "often a precursor" to a child being abducted or molested.

Even someone who abducts a child is not a *** offender, this doesn't make sense.

The guy deserved to be done for something for scaring the child, but this is rediculous.

He deserved something for scaring the child? Seriously? Is there anybody here who as a kid did NOT do anything that warranted being scared by an adult?

[Midav]

Granted, he shouldn't have touched her to begin with, but this is just stupid.

While the real criminals run around, an innocent man is branded a *** offender :cantbeli:

[Oddbod]

A stupid ruling, given the circumstances.
How can this be right?

[walford]

1. The guy was an idiot, but the SO moniker is excessive.
2. Anymore, I do my best to pretend that children I may happen upon do not exist. Once in a grocery store, a kid comes up to me and says, "hi." I was raised to be polite, so I reply, "hello." He then immediately runs to his mom and says, "that man said 'hi' to me." Little f*cking ****.

If I would have been in the guy's shoes, I would have simply swerved to avoid her and hit the freakin' gas. Du-h!

[abncougar]

rediculous.....................some parents.................. :slap:

[GazB]

I guess this is what happens when polticians think the Judges are doing a good enough job and start changing the laws to tie the judges hands with manditory results based on some conditions.

Personally based on the concept of innocent till proven guilty (and no matter what the guys name was :rolleyes: ) I'd give this guy a "you did something you shoudn't, but for the right reasons" slap on the wrist, given the kid a good scare and tell the prosecution to stop wasting my time.

[chauncy republicans]

:lol: The guy would have more to worry about than just being labled a *** Offender if he grabed my daughter by the arm!
Sure the ruling is pretty stupid, but if his sorry ass did'nt try and act like John Wayne this never would've happened.
They should've thrown his ass in jail as well.

[soma]

Sue the car makers.

[Midav]

:lol: The guy would have more to worry about than just being labled a *** Offender if he grabed my daughter by the arm!
Sure the ruling is pretty stupid, but if his sorry ass did'nt try and act like John Wayne this never would've happened.
They should've thrown his ass in jail as well.

Yeah teach the daughter to walk in front of moving cars then teach her to hurt people even if she is at fault.

That's just brilliant.

Btw, John Wayne just would'a shot the stupid bitch.

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

This is why such lists should not be available to the public.

[sferrin]

:lol: The guy would have more to worry about than just being labled a *** Offender if he grabed my daughter by the arm!
Sure the ruling is pretty stupid, but if his sorry ass did'nt try and act like John Wayne this never would've happened.
They should've thrown his ass in jail as well.

Yeah I'm sure she was traumatized for life. I'm sure she'll have to go to the shrink to take care of the post traumatic stress disorder she will undoubtedly develope. :slap:

[chauncy republicans]

It's about the principal. My Daughter was taught from day one, that nobody touches her no matter what! I or her mother do the punishing, I'll be damned if I let some random asshole off the street lay a hand on my Daughter. What kind of impression will that give her if I allow random strangers touch my Daughter in any way she does'nt feel comfortable with? I'm all about discipline at the hands of the parents, which is why my Daughter knows damn well to look before crossing the street. When some asshole takes my place and physically punishes my Daughter I'm going to punish said asshole in a very unpleasent way.
I'd like to see how many kids you 'tough guys' go and yank around before you get your faces stomped into a curb by some kid's nutcase Father.
My guess is that it would'nt take many. Leave the disciplining to the parents.

As for John Wayne shooting a fourteen year old girl for something as trivial as stepping in front of his mode of transportation (depending on the movie), is quite out of the 'Dukes' charachter. I suggest next time TNT has a twenty four hour John Wayne marathon you sit down and watch it.

[MaDuce]

This is why such lists should not be available to the public.
Why not if you had kids wouldn't you want to no if a convicted child rapist lived next door to you?

[Midav]

It's also about the principal in teaching your kids to use common sense to think before acting.

I deal with people every day that swing first, think later. I back my **** up every day. Common sense in today's society is pretty much non existent. Was it right that the guy touched the girl? I already said it wasn't. But charging him as a *** offender or beating his head into the asphalt is every bit as ignorant and stupid as her walking in front of a moving car. And I agree.. Only a nutcase would show his kids to do that.

As to the John Wayne comment, well, that was sarcasm on my part. Never was one of my favorite actors. Take it or leave it.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Could we be missing out some details that the general public might not be aware of but the prosecution and the defence are, and that is that old Fitzroy Barnaby could have popped up on LE radar before now as a person of interest.

[Midav]

Could we be missing out some details that the general public might not be aware of but the prosecution and the defence are, and that is that old Fitzroy Barnaby could have popped up on LE radar before now as a person of interest.

That is very plausible.

[walford]

Sue the car makers.Goddam genius.

[Bia]

Coming soon to a town near you, arrests for someone thinking you may commit a crime.
Though you're correct it's unfortunate....I have little sympathy for grown men feeling the need to grab a girls arm due to an annoyance.

However...the Thought Police are comming to a town near you soon.

[GazB]

Could we be missing out some details that the general public might not be aware of but the prosecution and the defence are, and that is that old Fitzroy Barnaby could have popped up on LE radar before now as a person of interest.

Except the judge in this case said:


"I don't really see the purpose of registration in this case. I really don't," Morse said. "But I feel that I am constrained by the statute."

In other words he saw no reason to impose this on the guy except that the law stated that he had to.

Amazing that unlawful detainment is automatically a *** crime. What if you got detention at school for something you didn't do... does that cost the teacher their career? Two little snots fighting in a play ground I guess any adult is supposed to just stand and watch?

[Violet Fashion by Mindy]

This is why such lists should not be available to the public.
Why not if you had kids wouldn't you want to no if a convicted child rapist lived next door to you?

Think of the idiots who had consensual *** with their partner but the type of *** they performed is illegal? Alot of different BDSM activities although perfectly safe and performed with the agreement of both parties fall into this catagory.

Or the 2 15 year olds who decided to have a nookie down behind the stand at Patriots Field during a nighttime inter school football game. They will have their lives ruined.

It's in these types of cases where people are put on a criminal list even though the actions they took part in were not an intended criminal activity but more then likely the conviction took place because of a lack of awareness of laws in the given (state, country, county ect)

That said I am in favour of there being ****** offenders lists BUT due to the nature of ALL *** offenders being put on the list I am against such lists being made public. Education and Health facilities should do a background check on any possible employee to prevent the serious *** offenders from working at a school, hospital. But should a say 40 year old teacher be refused a job because he had *** at 15 with his girlfriend or a Docter gets knocked back from a job because she likes to be spanked whilst getting rammed from behind by her partner?

[Legion]

It's about the principal. My Daughter was taught from day one, that nobody touches her no matter what! I or her mother do the punishing, I'll be damned if I let some random asshole off the street lay a hand on my Daughter. What kind of impression will that give her if I allow random strangers touch my Daughter in any way she does'nt feel comfortable with? I'm all about discipline at the hands of the parents, which is why my Daughter knows damn well to look before crossing the street. When some asshole takes my place and physically punishes my Daughter I'm going to punish said asshole in a very unpleasent way.
I'd like to see how many kids you 'tough guys' go and yank around before you get your faces stomped into a curb by some kid's nutcase Father.
My guess is that it would'nt take many. Leave the disciplining to the parents.

As for John Wayne shooting a fourteen year old girl for something as trivial as stepping in front of his mode of transportation (depending on the movie), is quite out of the 'Dukes' charachter. I suggest next time TNT has a twenty four hour John Wayne marathon you sit down and watch it.
Just for the sake of argument, what if it had been a LEO? I'm fairly sure that being placed in police custody, whether under arrest, or temporarily while and investigation is on going is going to make people uncomfortable. Think he's going to get his face stomped into a curb?
Not that this guy really had any authority to lay hands on anyone, just sayin'...

[gaijinsamurai]

A COMPETENT court would have found a better way to deal with this problem. If I had been the judge (and I've worked in the US court system, and know how they can be flexible when they want to), I would have summoned the prosecuting attorney and the defendant's lawyer to my chambers, and worked out a deal where he plead guilty to a lesser charge, agreed to have an evaluation for anger management counseling, and place the guy on unsupervised probation for a year or two.
Every state is different, but the district attorney's office usually has a lot of freedom to discern which cases to prosecute and which to leave alone. For example, in my homestate, there has to be a three year difference between an adult and a minor for them to press charges: hence, a 19 year old won't do time for shagging his 17 year old girlfriend in the backseat of his dad's car, as long as the nookie was consentual. Also, it is rare for the police to do something about two 15-year olds.

[TheBelgian]

What are you people saying!? There shouldn't even have been a court case! He did nothing wrong! So what, he grabed her arm. Maybe it scared her into looking both ways before crossing the street so she doesnt get killed next time! Even if he had smacked some sense into her, it'll just be a lesson. Seriously, the guy did nothing wrong. The fact that he was deemed a *** offender seriously sickens me, and cost the local justice system there any credibility or respect it might have had.

[Holmer]

I say there is more to the story, but this quote from the girl says it all in my mind.


She said she broke free and ran, fearful of what he'd do next.

How long was he planning on holding her?

*** Offender, Loser or both?

[chauncy republicans]

Just for the sake of argument, what if it had been a LEO? I'm fairly sure that being placed in police custody, whether under arrest, or temporarily while and investigation is on going is going to make people uncomfortable.
First of all, comfort is not an issue. Secondly if it was a cop thats fine, thats his job and my kid should'nt be running from them in the first place. If a cop had to grab my Daughter's arm to restrain her she would be the one getting in trouble.

Think he's going to get his face stomped into a curb?
It depends, I wont hesitate for even a moment to visit extreme bodily harm on anyone no matter if they're in a position of authority or not. Take note Supreme Court Justices...

[chauncy republicans]

What are you people saying!? There shouldn't even have been a court case! He did nothing wrong! So what, he grabed her arm. Maybe it scared her into looking both ways before crossing the street so she doesnt get killed next time! Even if he had smacked some sense into her, it'll just be a lesson.
Why don't you go around and try acting like that next time you leave the house? Just make sure to post some pics after you've got the living hell beat out of you. BTW you know my girlfriend thinks 'black eyes' are sexy...

[Legion]

Just for the sake of argument, what if it had been a LEO? I'm fairly sure that being placed in police custody, whether under arrest, or temporarily while and investigation is on going is going to make people uncomfortable.
First of all, comfort is not an issue. Secondly if it was a cop thats fine, thats his job and my kid should'nt be running from them in the first place. If a cop had to grab my Daughter's arm to restrain her she would be the one getting in trouble.

Think he's going to get his face stomped into a curb?
It depends, I wont hesitate for even a moment to visit extreme bodily harm on anyone no matter if they're in a position of authority or not. Take note Supreme Court Justices...

Just checking because this
My Daughter was taught from day one, that nobody touches her no matter what! is a fairly broad statement. Having kids of my own I understand where you are coming from, but then I think it was a better day when adults ruled this country instead of the kids. Back in the day when an adult saw a kid doing something wrong it was corrected then and there and the parents were notified. Now it just seems like you tell a kids parents they were screwing up and the parents want to sue you instead of laying the blame where it belongs. Just my opinion...

[chauncy republicans]

Having kids of my own I understand where you are coming from, but then I think it was a better day when adults ruled this country instead of the kids.
Adults still do rule this country, last I knew grown women are'nt allowed to get smacked around or grabbed by strange men and they sure as hell don't run the country. Most men would'nt even let their girlfriend get grabbed by some strange guy so why should it be ok with a man's child?


Back in the day when an adult saw a kid doing something wrong it was corrected then and there and the parents were notified.
When I was growing up adults notified the parents and let them handle the rest. There's been many times were I did something stupid and got caught by an adult or teacher and I got the **** smacked out of me for it by my Father. But if I was hit or touched by any of them in any way my Dad would've kicked their ass and forgot I even did anything wrong.

Not everyone has the same way of parenting either, in your mind the kid might've did something wrong, but his parents might see differently. So what would that make you if you physically corrected a kid in circumstances like that?
It's wise to leave the parenting to the parents.

[Legion]

Having kids of my own I understand where you are coming from, but then I think it was a better day when adults ruled this country instead of the kids.
Adults still do rule this country, last I knew grown women are'nt allowed to get smacked around or grabbed by strange men and they sure as hell don't run the country. Most men would'nt even let their girlfriend get grabbed by some strange guy so why should it be ok with a man's child?


Back in the day when an adult saw a kid doing something wrong it was corrected then and there and the parents were notified.
When I was growing up adults notified the parents and let them handle the rest. There's been many times were I did something stupid and got caught by an adult or teacher and I got the **** smacked out of me for it by my Father. But if I was hit or touched by any of them in any way my Dad would've kicked their ass and forgot I even did anything wrong.

Not everyone has the same way of parenting either, in your mind the kid might've did something wrong, but his parents might see differently. So what would that make you if you physically corrected a kid in circumstances like that?
It's wise to leave the parenting to the parents.
I didn't say physically correct, I said correct. You know how many kids I see in stores that just run wild, knocking stuff off the shelves, screaming and yelling? People don't parent anymore and that's the problem. They think their kids have no blame and it's always someone else’s fault. If I have to hear "He has a learning disability, so he's hyper" one more time I'm gonna puke. If everyone parented like your father, the problems with kids would cease to be a problem. Anywho keep up the good work with your kids, so will I, and we can hold out hope for the rest of America.

[chauncy republicans]

Sorry, I think I mis-understood you a little.
I'm in agreement with everything you said, it bothers me to no end when I'm at the store and parent is begging the child to behave. Then the same morons in turn ask me what my secret is to having such a well behaved Daughter. :cantbeli:

[walford]

Sorry, I think I mis-understood you a little.
I'm in agreement with everything you said, it bothers me to no end when I'm at the store and parent is begging the child to behave. Then the same morons in turn ask me what my secret is to having such a well behaved Daughter. :cantbeli:Yes, that reminds me when my wife and I were in a Pizza Hut seated next to a couple with their adorable little tow-headed 4-year-old girl. Suddenly it pleased the little moppet to toss a metal fork over her shoulder -- w/o any concern that someone might be behind her [fortunately no].

You should have seen the imperious expression on her face as the parents pleaded with her not to do such things.

My wife and I traded speculations about what would have happened to us if we did that in the early '60s. The meal would have been over, for starters. If we could have concieved of doing such a thing, we would have been quickly whisked away from the restaurant -- never to return for the rest of our soon-to-be miserable childhoods.

Now many of these people -- having been raised by day-care or whatever -- are adults. I can see in many of them the lack of consideration for others and the self-indulgence [note the growing obesity]. We're raising monsters.

[drummerguy5]

exactly walford

kinda horrifying how many kids run the parents show these days...the thing is, when the brat gets away on it with their folks, they then think they can with the rest of the world......

...then again, kids are stupid, jsut yesterday i saw a girl run infront of a semi trailer without looking, she got across....just. :|

then again, women in general seem to have a problem with crossing roads! rofl

[mi35d]

Legion:

Exactly. There was a concept at one time - community parenting. If you were screwing up and Old Mrs. Smith saw you she'd be out there wagging a finger and saying, "I see you Johnie! You know your mother wouldn't approve!" And you knew that when you got home Mom would have recieved a call and you'd be in trouble. Yet, if you were riding your bike and your crashed and were all scrapped up and crying, Old Mrs. Smith would be out there with band-aids and bactine and walk you back to your house. It worked both ways.

As for the girl in the news story, knowing todays kids, the driver may have said, "You need to watch where you're going!" and she told him to "F**K off you stupid C**Ksucker!" with a flipped up middle finger. But of course, in court she was dressed in a little flower print dress, with a little bow in her hair and she was doing her best Bambi eyes and saying, "honestly judge, his car of death came roaring down the road. I was thinking about bible passages and didn't see him." Sniff! Sniff! Sob! Sob!

[gaijinsamurai]

I'm in total agreement. Another example is all this talk about child safety locks on guns. When I was a kid, my dad kept his rifles, shotguns, and .357 under the bed, unlocked. I always knew where they were, but knew damn well not to even think about touching them without my dad's permission and supervision. It wouldn't have even entered my mind to take them out and play with them, just because I knew the tanning I'd get would not be worth it! Maybe the new generation of kids are more cynical.

[Midav]

It still escapes me what this guy has been charged with.... It's stupid and it's wrong.

Reminds of when I was at my neighbors yard last night shooting off fireworks. A cop stops by and informs us we can't shoot fireworks that go higher than 10ft (fire safety as there have been a lot of fires lately). It would have been understandable if it wouldn't have been for the fact that the people around us were shooting bottle rockets for much of that evening..... rofl

What I'm saying is look for the real perpetrators.

[Lokos]

Morse JA should have interpreted said statute via the purposive approach - the generally accepted approach in the legal community today. I'm not sure if you Americans have this, but we Australians, for example, have the Interpretation of Legislation Act. It tells us to interpret legislation so as to honor its purpose and the intentions of the lawmakers, not to blindly follow its exact wording and reach absurd conclusions such as was the case here.

This was an appalling, unjust result for this case. The worst thing is that it sets a precedent - as part of the legal doctrine of stare decisis. Future decisions in this vein will have this case as their foundation. It's sickening.

Lokos

[supercontra]

Moral of the story seems to be that if a kid walks in front of your car just run the little ****er over

[Wodan]

so this means, if there is the suspicion that you maybe could have done something, the judge can if he wants say you commited it?????

american law sucks!

Im proud to be non-american!!!!!!

[Legion]

so this means, if there is the suspicion that you maybe could have done something, the judge can if he wants say you commited it?????

american law sucks!

Im proud to be non-american!!!!!!

Technically it's a state law, not an American law.

[Midav]

Moral of the story seems to be that if a kid walks in front of your car just run the little f*** over

Really... It's possible that the next time a truck is driving down the road, can't stop as easy and runs her over.

Is that supposed to be the lesser of two evils?

[walford]

so this means, if there is the suspicion that you maybe could have done something, the judge can if he wants say you commited it????? american law sucks! Im proud to be non-american!!!!!!http://www.fritirak.dk/billeder/fidel_castro.jpg

[Legion]

so this means, if there is the suspicion that you maybe could have done something, the judge can if he wants say you commited it????? american law sucks! Im proud to be non-american!!!!!!http://www.fritirak.dk/billeder/fidel_castro.jpg

rofl

[Wodan]

who is this sympathic looking gran'pa?

[Geezah]

who is this sympathic looking gran'pa?

You're joking.............right?

[Hot Lips]

With no witnesses to what took place it's a case of he said, she said. Better to be safe than sorry. Once he didn't hit her with the car there was no cause for him to park his car, pursue, and grab the girl. Perhaps he's completely innocent and is an unfortunate "example" for others.

Then again, maybe he was trying to abduct her and this ruling saved some other kid down the line.

The moral of the story is.... children are the fruit of the devil. Don't have any.

[Midav]

With no witnesses to what took place it's a case of he said, she said. Better to be safe than sorry. Once he didn't hit her with the car there was no cause for him to park his car, pursue, and grab the girl. Perhaps he's completely innocent and is an unfortunate "example" for others.

Then again, maybe he was trying to abduct her and this ruling saved some other kid down the line.

The moral of the story is.... children are the fruit of the devil. Don't have any.

You are correct! What this is telling the rest of us, it's safer to get rid of old fruit rather than touch it.

You walk in front of me, it's safer to kill you than touch you.

[chauncy republicans]

With no witnesses to what took place it's a case of he said, she said. Better to be safe than sorry. Once he didn't hit her with the car there was no cause for him to park his car, pursue, and grab the girl. Perhaps he's completely innocent and is an unfortunate "example" for others.

Then again, maybe he was trying to abduct her and this ruling saved some other kid down the line.

The moral of the story is.... children are the fruit of the devil. Don't have any.

You are correct! What this is telling the rest of us, it's safer to get rid of old fruit rather than touch it.

You walk in front of me, it's safer to kill you than touch you.
rofl Look at the little man crying about how mean children are...
I thought I've seen some pathetic **** on this forum, but you take the cake Midav.

[walford]

The moral of the story is.... children are the fruit of the devil. Don't have any.I beg of you to reconsider. The world needs more of the likes of you. Consider what we get instead if you don't. Been to a Wal-Mart lately?

[Midav]

Edit: On second thought, I'm going to ignore CR's comment.

As the saying goes, the smarter one gives in. Thanks for the cake, but you're the hungry one. Not me. ;)

[sferrin]

Just for the sake of argument, what if it had been a LEO? I'm fairly sure that being placed in police custody, whether under arrest, or temporarily while and investigation is on going is going to make people uncomfortable.
First of all, comfort is not an issue. Secondly if it was a cop thats fine, thats his job and my kid should'nt be running from them in the first place. If a cop had to grab my Daughter's arm to restrain her she would be the one getting in trouble.

Think he's going to get his face stomped into a curb?
It depends, I wont hesitate for even a moment to visit extreme bodily harm on anyone no matter if they're in a position of authority or not. Take note Supreme Court Justices...

Just checking because this
My Daughter was taught from day one, that nobody touches her no matter what! is a fairly broad statement. Having kids of my own I understand where you are coming from, but then I think it was a better day when adults ruled this country instead of the kids. Back in the day when an adult saw a kid doing something wrong it was corrected then and there and the parents were notified. Now it just seems like you tell a kids parents they were screwing up and the parents want to sue you instead of laying the blame where it belongs. Just my opinion...

Well hell, you emotionally damaged their child what do you expect? Seriously though, people complain about the growing prision population like it's the GOVERNMENT'S fault all these screwups broke the law. Mommy and Daddy need to take responsibility instead of trying to blame everyone else.

[sferrin]

Sorry, I think I mis-understood you a little.
I'm in agreement with everything you said, it bothers me to no end when I'm at the store and parent is begging the child to behave. Then the same morons in turn ask me what my secret is to having such a well behaved Daughter. :cantbeli:

:bash: &lt;---There's the secret. Or maybe a little of this ---> :slap:

Problem is, their child tries to bust into somebody's house, gets a paper cut while they're tresspassing so the parents give them one of these ---> :petting: and sue the people who had the NERVE not to have a child-safe house.

[sferrin]

Legion:

Exactly. There was a concept at one time - community parenting. If you were screwing up and Old Mrs. Smith saw you she'd be out there wagging a finger and saying, "I see you Johnie! You know your mother wouldn't approve!" And you knew that when you got home Mom would have recieved a call and you'd be in trouble. Yet, if you were riding your bike and your crashed and were all scrapped up and crying, Old Mrs. Smith would be out there with band-aids and bactine and walk you back to your house. It worked both ways.

As for the girl in the news story, knowing todays kids, the driver may have said, "You need to watch where you're going!" and she told him to "F**K off you stupid C**Ksucker!" with a flipped up middle finger. But of course, in court she was dressed in a little flower print dress, with a little bow in her hair and she was doing her best Bambi eyes and saying, "honestly judge, his car of death came roaring down the road. I was thinking about bible passages and didn't see him." Sniff! Sniff! Sob! Sob!

You still need a dumbass judge and a retarded jury to brand the guy a *** offender.

[sferrin]

Moral of the story seems to be that if a kid walks in front of your car just run the little f*** over

Darwin will get them back in line in the long run :lol:

[Legion]

Legion:

Exactly. There was a concept at one time - community parenting. If you were screwing up and Old Mrs. Smith saw you she'd be out there wagging a finger and saying, "I see you Johnie! You know your mother wouldn't approve!" And you knew that when you got home Mom would have recieved a call and you'd be in trouble. Yet, if you were riding your bike and your crashed and were all scrapped up and crying, Old Mrs. Smith would be out there with band-aids and bactine and walk you back to your house. It worked both ways.

As for the girl in the news story, knowing todays kids, the driver may have said, "You need to watch where you're going!" and she told him to "F**K off you stupid C**Ksucker!" with a flipped up middle finger. But of course, in court she was dressed in a little flower print dress, with a little bow in her hair and she was doing her best Bambi eyes and saying, "honestly judge, his car of death came roaring down the road. I was thinking about bible passages and didn't see him." Sniff! Sniff! Sob! Sob!

You still need a dumbass judge and a retarded jury to brand the guy a *** offender.

Not in this case. The way the law read, the crime he was convicted of is a *** offense, as stupid as it seems. It's the law that needs to be changed.