Bill Clinton to endorse Clark?

[Nizark]

A few local newspapers and radio stations have said Fmr Pres Clinton may back up Wesley Clark in the upcoming elections. If the messiah gives clark the nod, Al Bore's support will mean less than nothing, Dean is done for, and Bush would have some real competition, compared to what we have right now. Thoughts fellas?

[Vance]

In my opionion Dean has dug himself into a real hole this past few weeks. Clark has taken the lead.

[StarvingStudent47]

Dean keeps shooting himself in the foot, and his "not sure that Bin Laden is guilty" statement sure ain't gonna help him in the election. But Clark hasn't been doing well either. He has an amazing ability to lose his cool during interviews and start bickering about unimportant details.

I'm not sure how they're doing in the polls, but Kerry, Lieberman, and Edwards are the only Democrats who appeal to me at all anymore.

[Vance]

What about Sharpton? p-)

[oakes]

What about Sharpton?

LOL

I wouldn't vote Sharpton to be president of a bag of Doritos.

[Durandal]

What self-respecting man would want Clinton's nod?

Oh wait...

rofl

[Whistler]

Ya seriously... I wouldn't be surprised if Clinton's nod would actually HURT Clark's campaign rofl .

[Tane Angle]

StarvingStudent47, I've been meaning to ask for your opinion on something I've heard. Keep in mind with this that I'm supposedly a Catholic.

I've heard that Leiberman isn't electable because of the "Kennedy factor." That is, he is of a religion different from Protestantism. Granted, Kennedy was elected, so it was a bad term used in conversation by someone. But the point is, that it was suggested that Leiberman isn't a viable candidate because people might be wary of someone of a different religion from the mainstream. Granted, this is not to suggest widespread anti-Semetism, nor does it suggest widespread anti-Catholicism in regards to Kennedy, but it does at least suggest a natural skeptisicm for people of different religions. So any thoughts on whether or not it really does remove him from being a viable candidate? He actually seems fairly middle of the road, able to bridge gaps between Republicans and Democrats.

Have a good one and just some questions/thoughts...

[Durandal]

Tane, I thought that fear was more directed at a President that would bow to the Pope more than anything else. Today, people think that Lieberman will actually hinder any process in the Middle East....because he is a Jew.

Which as much, as I could care less about a Democrat, really pisses me off. An Americna is an American regardless of religion...

Unless of course he kow-tow'd to da Pope. ;)

[Nizark]

Hell, clark is using alot of clinton's old campaign staff straight from little rock himself. Dean is kicking his own ass, and about liberman being a jew, yeah, he has no chance. You guys think getting the Clinton nod would be bad for Clark? There is always the shwarznegger effect where people vote simply because of recognition, and Clinton is recognizable as hell. For all of the sheep in this country who go along with what people say and never investigate for themselves, someone just has to bring up the economy or billy's smoooveness and bam, Clark/CLinton gets the nod.

[StarvingStudent47]

StarvingStudent47, I've been meaning to ask for your opinion on something I've heard. Keep in mind with this that I'm supposedly a Catholic.

I've heard that Leiberman isn't electable because of the "Kennedy factor." That is, he is of a religion different from Protestantism. Granted, Kennedy was elected, so it was a bad term used in conversation by someone. But the point is, that it was suggested that Leiberman isn't a viable candidate because people might be wary of someone of a different religion from the mainstream. Granted, this is not to suggest widespread anti-Semetism, nor does it suggest widespread anti-Catholicism in regards to Kennedy, but it does at least suggest a natural skeptisicm for people of different religions. So any thoughts on whether or not it really does remove him from being a viable candidate? He actually seems fairly middle of the road, able to bridge gaps between Republicans and Democrats.

Have a good one and just some questions/thoughts...

Hm...Lieberman's Judaism hurts him a bit, but not because of a "Kennedy factor." In the 1960s, moderates in the United States were still wary of a non-Protestant President. In 2004, moderate Americans are very comfortable with Judaism. Major news stations say "Happy Hanukkah" at the end of their show and so on. Moderate-liberals and moderate-conservatives alike are completely comfortable with Judaism nowadays--in America at least.

And while Lieberman's religion would hurt his popularity with the far-right...let's face it, David Duke followers were never going to vote Democrat regardless of who was on the ticket. So their opinion doesn't matter.

HOWEVER...Lieberman's religion will hurt support from the far-left; the people who broke with the Gore/Lieberman ticket to vote Nader in 2000. In modern years, the far-left is extremely anti-Israel, and increasing numbers have crossed the line to downright anti-Semitic. Just look at how the far left has tried to attribute the war on Iraq to Richard Pearle and Paul Wolfowitz "manipulating the administration to serve Israel's purposes." Jews secretly running the world's governments from behind the scenes? We've heard this before, in a little book called The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. And as we saw in 2000, if the Democrats completely lose the far-left, they lose the election.

Lieberman's got another problem, though, which severely hurts his electability but has nothing to do with his religion: he has completely alienated younger voters. After the Columbine High massacre, he was one of the folks calling for widespread censorship of video games and music. I was a high school senior in Colorado when it all happened, and let me tell you, nothing made me more mad than trying to blame the actions of two mentally-unstable Neo-Nazis on music EVERYONE listened to and games EVERYONE played. Most 40-somethings completely forgot about this affair, but let me assure you, us young-uns didn't.

[StarvingStudent47]

Tane, I thought that fear was more directed at a President that would bow to the Pope more than anything else. Today, people think that Lieberman will actually hinder any process in the Middle East....because he is a Jew.

Well, since the Arab-Israeli peace process didn't go anywhere with Clinton as President or with Bush as president, I don't see how having Lieberman president could make it any worse.

However, I agree that having a Jewish President would hurt America's image on the world stage. Remember that the Malaysian PM's "final victory over the Jews" speech got a standing-freakin-ovation at a World Islamic Conference. And I'm still not convinced that Europe has completely cleansed itself of the widespread anti-Semitism that plagued it for hundreds of years, culminating in the Holocaust. (Disclaimer--I'm not saying Europeans are universally anti-Semitic, I'm just saying that it has been a much greater problem in Europe than in the USA).


Which as much, as I could care less about a Democrat, really pisses me off. An Americna is an American regardless of religion...
Word.

[George W. Bush]

um yeah.. nothing more to add other than that the majority of people are really stupid.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

For all the talk of Europe being anti-semitic the UK has had on two occasions a Jewish Prime Minister in 1868 and 1874 and the leader of the current opposition party is Jewish, Michael Howard is an observant and orthodox jew and there has been rarley a mention by anyone here of his religion. The religion of leaders and politicians seems to be a big deal in the US.

[StarvingStudent47]

For all the talk of Europe being anti-semitic the UK has had on two occasions a Jewish Prime Minister in 1868 and 1874 and the leader of the current opposition party is Jewish, Michael Howard is an observant and orthodox jew and there has been rarley a mention by anyone here of his religion. The religion of leaders and politicians seems to be a big deal in the US.

Just to clarify--while I do perceive Britain as one of the primary centers of anti-Israel media, it's generally not considered to be one of the hot spots of modern European anti-Semitism. The two countries named as hot-spots of modern anti-Semitism are generally Russia and France. Now of course, NOT EVERYONE from those countries are anti-Semitic (there are some great folks on this board from those places). But generally speaking, when people talk about modern European anti-Semitism, they're talking about Russia and France, not Britain.

This is just meant as clarification, not meant as a dig at any of the French or Russian folks here.

But before you say that religion doesn't play a part in British politics, let me ask--when is the last time you had a Catholic Prime Minister? ;) I'd say feelings about Catholics are much higher in Britain than in the USA.

[Roger Rabbit]

Tony Blair's wife is a Catholic. To be totally honest SS47 then i don't care what religion any of the British politicians are and i dont think i have ever heard anybody say that they did or did not care about a British politicians religion either. But i only speak for myself and my experiences.

[StarvingStudent47]

Tony Blair's wife is a Catholic. To be totally honest SS47 then i don't care what religion any of the British politicians are and i dont think i have ever heard anybody say that they did or did not care about a British politicians religion either. But i only speak for myself and my experiences.

Fair enough. Different people have different experiences. When I was living in Boston, I met lots of Catholics who said something very different about how Catholics are treated in Britain. It's hard to test objectively for bigotry, though.

[Roger Rabbit]

Yeah, if they were Irish Catholics or supported the Irish Catholics then i would be confident in saying they were likely to be biased. I can't speak for Ireland having never been there but in Britain then i can't recall any time when a Catholic has been discriminated against solely for being Catholic. Then and again i dont know everything that goes on in Britain.

[NcDeuce]

Clinton can and will rot in hell. Clark will too if he isn't careful.

[Trigger]

Nizark wrote:

A few local newspapers and radio stations have said Fmr Pres Clinton may back up Wesley Clark in the upcoming elections.
That's funny. A Rhodes Scholar turkey from Arkansas endorsing a Rhodes Scholar turkey from Arkansas...
No thanks, 8 years was enough for a lifetime.

Now then, when is Michael Jackson going to endorse Al Sharpton?

[usa320]

I wouldn't vote Sharpton to be president of a bag of Doritos
rofl

Everytime the democrats do something stupid Bush looks better and better, so i hope they keep it up.

The only dem i would ever consider voting for is McCain.

Dean keeps shooting himself in the ass, hes so far left the dems wont even vote for him. Maybe hell get the commie and Islamic Fundementalist votes. If Clark and CLinton hook up, that is gonna make clark look bad.

THe only decent candidate is, was and will be Bush.

[StarvingStudent47]

The only dem i would ever consider voting for is McCain.


But he's a Republican, remember? He (unfortunately) lost the Republican primary in 2000.

[California Joe]

Lieberman talks like the Dad on ALF. He has the most annoying voice on the planet besides Anna Nicole. Zero charisma. Not a chance in hell.

[farmgirl]

Lieberman talks like the Dad on ALF. He has the most annoying voice on the planet besides Anna Nicole. Zero charisma. Not a chance in hell.

maybe Anna Nicole could be his running mate. I mean... I think she's got a career in politics. If she could convince that old man that she loved him, she could convince anyone of anything. (I believed her!) p-)

[Trigger]

"Trust me, vote for Wes..."

[Tane Angle]

:D McCain is a Republican, though a fairly centrist one. If only McCain was running...

[Mr. Nielsen]

Just to clarify--while I do perceive Britain as one of the primary centers of anti-Israel media, it's generally not considered to be one of the hot spots of modern European anti-Semitism. The two countries named as hot-spots of modern anti-Semitism are generally Russia and France. Now of course, NOT EVERYONE from those countries are anti-Semitic (there are some great folks on this board from those places). But generally speaking, when people talk about modern European anti-Semitism, they're talking about Russia and France, not Britain.


The violence against jews is committed by arab immigrants. Ordinary frenchmen are not involved in anti-jewish violence. As for russia I don't know. And as for anti-israeli medias in britain, I think the are just being objective.

[duck]

Don't forget much of the dissident (i.e fundamentalist) Arab media is based in London. Well. to be fair, also the liberal Arab media.

[[AFSOC]]

I'd vote for Sharpton...

He has great puns, puns to be the PRESIDENT!

He's seriously cool, but America aint ready for a black president. too bad...Sharpton aint the best candidate to be the first african-american president tho..lol

One day it'll happen...:)

Howard Dean looks like he's on top to be the Democratic runner in 2004, but the bastard cant smile....lol its soo funny. I like Clark but he's a noobie.

[Durandal]

:D McCain is a Republican, though a fairly centrist one. If only McCain was running...

An unfortunate consequence of a stagnant two part system I think. McCain has always seemed to be more of a Libertarian...sort of. McCain would have been a welcome change...

[Nizark]

]I'd vote for Sharpton...

He has great puns, puns to be the PRESIDENT!

He's seriously cool, but America aint ready for a black president. too bad...Sharpton aint the best candidate to be the first african-american president tho..lol


First black prez? We already had Bill in office!

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Are Americans really interested in supporting other parties other than the Democrats and Republicans, I know that Nader took a few votes here and there, so how much interest is there on alternatives.

[[AFSOC]]

Good ole Ralph Nader...

Everytime i see him on tv its like he's wearing the same suit.

[NcDeuce]

]Good ole Ralph Nader...

Everytime i see him on tv its like he's wearing the same suit.

http://www.asianweek.com/2000_10_26/images/nader.jpg

I've noticed that too...

[NcDeuce]

http://www.news.harvard.edu/gazette/2000/12.14/photos/09-racepolice1-450.jpg

Word brotha rofl

[[AFSOC]]

]Good ole Ralph Nader...

Everytime i see him on tv its like he's wearing the same suit.

http://www.asianweek.com/2000_10_26/images/nader.jpg

I've noticed that too...

Lol..tru!

Wuts up with his eye??

[usa320]

I would not endorse a candidate just cause hes black- thats for sure.

Look at Colin Powell...id vote for him so fast...


I just think there are better african-american candidates out there then al sharpton.

[Seoulstriker]

i just read the topic subject and i started laughing... who told clark to enter the race? :D

[Luxembourger]

What s wrong with Clark ? At least he did his military service and he will find a solution to stop the weekly losses of American troops in Iraq.
I know the solution might be to bring in UN troops in IRaq and replace most american troops, even if I am dissapointed in the UN,,it s better to bring it in and save the lives of American soldiers . Put aside politics and care for your troops lives....it s my opinion though I am not american.

[[AFSOC]]

I would not endorse a candidate just cause hes black- thats for sure.

Look at Colin Powell...id vote for him so fast...


I just think there are better african-american candidates out there then al sharpton.

Of coarse Al Sharpton isnt a good candidate but no one said to endorse someone because of the color of his skin. Where'd you get that idea?

Colin Powell is a perfect candidate to be the president of the United States.

But the Question is that if America is absolutely ready for a african american president. The answer is no which is sad.

[StarvingStudent47]

]

Lol..tru!

Wuts up with his eye??

That's what's known as having a "lazy eye." It's the opposite of being cross-eyed. One of my friends has a lazy eye. To my knowledge it does not affect vision or anything else. I don't think they have a cure for it.