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Clearday-TRForce
07-02-2005, 08:02 AM
By Juliet Eilperin
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, July 2, 2005

To hear President Bush's top environmental adviser tell it, Europe is coming around to the administration's approach to confronting global warming.

"We are all working at the same realistically aggressive pace," James L. Connaughton said in an interview this week. "The world is coming to a more sustainable, collective vision of how to address climate change."

James L. Connaughton, the president's top adviser on the environment, says the U.S. and European positions are growing closer but others are less sanguine. (By Rich Lipski -- The Washington Post)


As the eight major industrialized nations struggle to reach an agreement on global warming policy before next week's Group of Eight summit, however, many European officials have a different take on the matter.

"I wish I could believe it was true," said Barbara Young, chief executive of Britain's Environment Agency. When it comes to Bush's climate change policy, she added, "the amount of energy that goes into denying the case and not getting on with the job is just criminal."

This clash of visions between the other seven industrialized nations and the United States will come to a head when their leaders meet at Scotland's Gleneagles resort starting Wednesday to outline how they plan to address global warming and poverty in Africa. Summit organizers hastily arranged a last-minute round of talks in London this weekend to try to forge a joint statement on the environment, but so far that has eluded them.

The Bush administration's success so far in resisting its allies' calls for bolder measures to mitigate global warming -- such as mandatory emissions limits for greenhouse gases, concrete dollar commitments to new technology and specific energy efficiency targets -- is a testament to America's continuing power to shape the international agenda on climate change. In a consensus-oriented process, the most skeptical -- and most economically and politically powerful -- player, the United States, is largely dictating the terms of the debate.

Other industrialized nations acknowledge they have yet to win serious concessions from Bush. A week ago, British Prime Minister Tony Blair -- who as the current G-8 president placed climate change atop the group's agenda this year -- told reporters that when it came to reaching a summit agreement, "climate change is obviously very difficult." French President Jacques Chirac said Thursday that he welcomed Blair's efforts to bring Washington "back on board" in terms of an international pact but that "results have been modest."

The other G-8 members are Canada, Germany, Italy, Japan and Russia. In addition, Brazil, China, India, Mexico and South Africa will participate in next week's summit.

The most recent draft of the G-8 text on climate change, obtained by The Washington Post this week, shows that U.S. negotiators helped pare down a lengthy statement on scientific and policy details by two-thirds, in some cases inserting quotes directly from Bush's past speeches.

The language of previous texts called for specific funding to promote such things as clean energy research and creating sustainable energy markets in developing nations; the new statement includes no dollar amounts. Earlier drafts started with the sentence "Our world is warming"; that wording is now in dispute. European negotiators initially pushed for specific targets on energy efficiency and the sharing of emissions trading practices; the new document is now silent on these points.

Negotiators this weekend will debate whether to adopt a new sentence -- emphasizing the "need to slow, stop and then reverse the growth in greenhouse gases" -- that is lifted almost verbatim from the president's Feb. 14, 2001, speech on climate change.

A European Union official familiar with the negotiations -- and who asked not to be identified for fear of jeopardizing the final talks -- said Europeans were trying unsuccessfully to open up "a process, through whatever means possible, to jointly identify a series of next steps."

"There is a great reluctance on the part of the U.S. to accept anything meaningful," the official said. "There's still an effort to water down language on the science."

The administration's success in resisting pressure from the Europeans has won it praise from conservatives at home and criticism from environmental groups.

Myron Ebell, who directs the free-market Competitive Enterprise Institute's global warming and international environmental programs, said he and his colleagues are "pleased with the firm and consistent position Bush is taking on climate change." He added: "On the issue of climate change, Blair is going to make no progress in hoping the U.S. will accede." The institute gets funding from oil companies that oppose mandatory carbon emissions curbs.

By contrast, Jeff Fiedler, a climate policy specialist at the environmentalist Natural Resources Defense Council, said administration officials are seeking to craft "a fig leaf for the real action that's needed."

"The olive branch has been extended to find some effective policies that are acceptable to the White House, and as far as we can see, they have just slapped that branch away," Fiedler said.




regards.

promillo
07-02-2005, 12:48 PM
Every cent, that is wasted for climate saving bull**** is a cent wo is missed, where it would be needed.

It would be needed as research investions for fusion-power, it would be needed in coastal protection, it would be needed in high mobile defence forces...but not for such bull**** like "Kyoto" and other green ideology without sense.

Yosy
07-02-2005, 01:43 PM
Every cent, that is wasted for climate saving bull**** is a cent wo is missed, where it would be needed.

It would be needed as research investions for fusion-power, it would be needed in coastal protection, it would be needed in high mobile defence forces...but not for such bull**** like "Kyoto" and other green ideology without sense.

Congratulations. This is officially the most ridiculous thing I've read in MP.Net EVER.

BigBaribal
07-02-2005, 02:25 PM
Every cent, that is wasted for climate saving bull**** is a cent wo is missed, where it would be needed.

It would be needed as research investions for fusion-power, it would be needed in coastal protection, it would be needed in high mobile defence forces...but not for such bull**** like "Kyoto" and other green ideology without sense.

Congratulations. This is officially the most ridiculous thing I've read in MP.Net EVER.


I just read an article about the making of a coalition in the USA between non-crypto-marxists ecologists and conservatives who see the research of new energies as a solution to save the planet (for the ecologists) and as a solution to escape the Middle-East involvments (for the conservatives).

A very good move in my opinion.

Falco
07-02-2005, 02:50 PM
Althoufh I agree with Pres. Bush on certain subjects, this is not one of them. Fossil fuel is not eternal and will one day disappear. The world has seen many forms of producing energy come and go, it's time for the internal combustion engine start thinking about it's retirement and make place for the next generation of motors.

Weasel
07-02-2005, 02:55 PM
Every cent, that is wasted for climate saving bull**** is a cent wo is missed, where it would be needed.

It would be needed as research investions for fusion-power, it would be needed in coastal protection, it would be needed in high mobile defence forces...but not for such bull**** like "Kyoto" and other green ideology without sense.

Congratulations. This is officially the most ridiculous thing I've read in MP.Net EVER.

You haven´t read a lot of pimpanillos posts, have you? :P

AROUETLJ
07-02-2005, 07:51 PM
How old are you, Promillo?

Dexx
07-02-2005, 07:59 PM
Plain and simple: He is insane. Don't take him seriously.

b33f
07-02-2005, 08:25 PM
How old are you, Promillo?
Based on the fact that his "first car" picture is B&W i'd say 45+.
Atleast 27 though (the date when he got his second car is in 1996, 18 (legal minimum drivin age in Germany) + 9 = 27.

(Click on the WWW button).

Yosy
07-03-2005, 09:42 AM
Every cent, that is wasted for climate saving bull**** is a cent wo is missed, where it would be needed.

It would be needed as research investions for fusion-power, it would be needed in coastal protection, it would be needed in high mobile defence forces...but not for such bull**** like "Kyoto" and other green ideology without sense.

Congratulations. This is officially the most ridiculous thing I've read in MP.Net EVER.


I just read an article about the making of a coalition in the USA between non-crypto-marxists ecologists and conservatives who see the research of new energies as a solution to save the planet (for the ecologists) and as a solution to escape the Middle-East involvments (for the conservatives).

A very good move in my opinion.

I completly agree.

achilles
07-03-2005, 12:38 PM
Every cent, that is wasted for climate saving bull**** is a cent wo is missed, where it would be needed.

It would be needed as research investions for fusion-power, it would be needed in coastal protection, it would be needed in high mobile defence forces...but not for such bull**** like "Kyoto" and other green ideology without sense.

When it comes to gun control, invading foreign countries, fighting terrorism and now...global warming...just ask Promillo! :lol:

sferrin
07-03-2005, 03:18 PM
Every cent, that is wasted for climate saving bull**** is a cent wo is missed, where it would be needed.

It would be needed as research investions for fusion-power, it would be needed in coastal protection, it would be needed in high mobile defence forces...but not for such bull**** like "Kyoto" and other green ideology without sense.

Congratulations. This is officially the most ridiculous thing I've read in MP.Net EVER.

Actually, your's just took the prize.

BigBaribal
07-03-2005, 05:24 PM
The reheating of the planet is probably caused by islamo-fascist satellites and commie death rays!!!

Rictor
07-04-2005, 09:27 AM
Lets see:

The short term economic gain of one country, out of nearly 200, if more important than the long term welfare of the Earth and by extension, the human race. So, in an area where there is near total consensus among all the world's scientists, Bush wants to commission more reports by those in the pay of multinational corporations. It would be funny if it wasn't tragic.

promillo
07-04-2005, 10:05 AM
The reheating of the planet is probably caused by islamo-fascist satellites and commie death rays!!!

No, its a normal natural thing, we can do nothing to stop it, but we can do many things to avoid bad consequences.

But not, if we waste our money for idiotical green phantasies instead of reasonable things.

Violet Fashion by Mindy
07-04-2005, 10:15 AM
We should act now to save the planet.

There is enough evidence now to suggest the possible causes of it all and we should be doing everything we can to make sure the planet is in good shape for future generations.

Roaming East
07-04-2005, 10:22 AM
Im not totally up to date on the Kyoto thing but isnt it being said that if all nations successfully implemented it it would only result in fractions of a percent in climate change? Thats like instead of dying on tuesday at 0320 we di on tuesday a 0322. All at the cost of 'minor' economic damage? i would rather see the money spent on renewable and/or clean energy

promillo
07-04-2005, 10:32 AM
We should act now to save the planet.


The planet dont need our acts to be saved. He cad do it without burning our money.



There is enough evidence now to suggest the possible causes of it all and we should be doing everything we can to make sure the planet is in good shape for future generations.

There is No evidence for man made climate change.
And either no evidence that the billions that we are wasting will have a positive effect.

Its only ideology and wishful thinking.

nognig
07-04-2005, 10:40 AM
Global warming is at best an unproven hypothesis.

It is true that CO2 concentration in the air is related to warming trends, but no one seems to mention that historic increases in CO2 actually lag the temperature increases by up to 80 years.

Not much of a cause and effect is it?

People need to watch the following videos, put out by a group of climate researchers from the University of Calgary, Canada.

Link (http://www.friendsofscience.org/index.php?ide=3)



Myth 2: The “hockey stick” graph proves that the earth has experienced a steady, very gradual temperature increase for 1000 years, then recently began a sudden increase.

Fact: Significant changes in climate have continually occurred throughout geologic time. For instance, the Medieval Warm Period, from around 1000 to1200 AD (when the Vikings farmed on Greenland) was followed by a period known as the Little Ice Age. Since the end of the 17th Century the "average" global temperature has been rising at a rate of 0.6 to 0.8 degrees Celsius per 100 years; although from 1940 – 1970 temperatures actually dropped, leading to a Global Cooling scare. The hockey stick not only ignores historical fact, but is also scientifically flawed.

Myth 9: Receding glaciers and the calving of ice shelves are proof of global warming.

Fact: Glaciers have been receding for hundreds of years; that’s because we are still coming out of the very cool period of the Little Ice Age. Ice shelves have been breaking off for centuries. Scientists know of at least 33 periods of glaciers growing and then retreating.
It’s normal.



NN