'Game over', says Iraq UN envoy

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"The Iraqi ambassador to the UN has said "the game is over", referring to the war in Iraq.

When reporters outside his home asked Mohammed al-Douri for a statement, he said: "There is nothing to say.

"The game is over. We hope that peace will prevail and that's all that we hope.""

Link (BBC): http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/2934495.stm

A brief link to the BBC website photos of this war at this link (worth a look, select the drop-down menus on the right):

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/photo_gallery/2931475.stm

And:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/photo_gallery/2933629.stm

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39076000/jpg/_39076091_flag_bodyafp5.jpg

Game over...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39076000/jpg/_39076231_ap300bodykiss.jpg

Caption says US Marine...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39072000/jpg/_39072261_fedayeen_ap300.jpg

And some chose to take revenge on their former oppressors (the "Alt" tag in the html on this page states "Iraqis club a member of Saddam's Fedayeen")

Irish television news synopsis of the days events (Just the facts Ma'am):

http://www.rte.ie/news/2003/0409/iraq.html

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[GiR|y-JeN]

Ok when I watching CNN this afternoon and they showed the picture of the Marine putting the United States flag over Sadam's face and said this is something the Pentagon did not wanna see .Could someone please tell me why seeing that today was the sweetest thing Ive seen since this War started

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I'll be quick to explain this one since I'm still on the thread and just reviewing the past post.

'Prissy'... the Arab world is suspicious of the American government. That's about all there is. When the Marines draped the flag over the old statue of Saddam Hussein there was an outcry by the Iraqi citizens gathered below the statue as well. It was probably very vocal...

I would cite the BBC reports, and other photos, on this one but the BBC website has changed their reports over the last day. Initially, and you'll have to take my word on this, they showed a lower resolution photo (further back and blurry) of the Marine in the photo holding an American flag completely draped over the face of the statue. The next photo showed it gone with the caption "This act caused a protest from the crowd below and it was quickly replaced with an Iraqi flag" (I am quoting from a brief memory from a few hours ago).

The photos now show:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39076000/jpg/_39076091_flag_bodyafp5.jpg

This new photo says: "They briefly draped the 'Stars-and-Stripes' flag over the face of Saddam... "

http://news.bbc.co.uk/media/images/39076000/jpg/_39076101_6_chain_afp.jpg

And now the photo there says: "...but the gesture stirred anger, and instead the troops worked to topple the statue".

Here is a link to those pages:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/photo_gallery/2933629.stm

I guess the reaction of removing the American flag comes from the same politic of the Marine flag-raising over Umm Qasar a couple of weeks ago. There is a tradition of raising your flag over "enemy" territory". Yet this operation is "Iraqi Freedom". Why, if you are giving the Iraqi people freedom from Saddam Hussein, are you going to raise the American flag over them? Not my question... this is the question of the Iraqi people, and Arab nations in the Gulf region. To raise the American flag would mean "conquest", no? The people, in that square today became agitated, and the commander(s) on the spot decided the best course of action was to not only placate, but probably join with, the anti-Saddam, but pro-Iraq, Iraqi citzens of Baghdad... and that was by removing the American flag.

Lieutenant Colonel Tim Collins, Commander of the 1st Battalion of the Royal Irish Regiment said a few weeks back, on the 19th of March:

"We go to liberate, not to conquer. We will not fly our flags in their country. We are entering Iraq to free a people, and the only flag that will be flown in that ancient land is their own. Don't treat them as refugees, for they are in their own country... Iraq is steeped in history. It is the site of the Garden of Eden, of the Great Flood and the birthplace of Abraham. Tread lightly there."

Tread lightly there.

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Lt. Col. Collins' Battlefield Speech
As Quoted in a 'Times of London' Commentary

http://www.npr.org/display_pages/features/feature_1200660.html

[GiR|y-JeN]

Yes I saw all that too and yes i thought when they did that it meant we won too i just didnt understand why the Pentagon didnt wanna see it .That picture will go down in history though just like the Berlin Wall :lol: :D

[hood]

Yeah, here's a whole bunch for your viewing pleasure. :)



http://i.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/iraq2003/saddamfalls/marine.jpg

http://i.timeinc.net/time/photoessays/iraq2003/saddamfalls/smash.jpg

http://www.msnbc.com/c/0/149/48/10x7/030409_war3pm02.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030409/capt.1049916704.topix_war_iraq_us_reb121.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030409/capt.1049909376.topix_iraq_us_war_xjd112.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030409/capt.1049906885.iraq_us_war_xjd108.jpg

http://us.news2.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/p/ap/20030409/capt.1049903028.war_iraq_us_reb120.jpg

[hood]

I think that Iraqi with the sledgehammer could have taken the whole thing down had they given him enough time. He's huge...

[GiR|y-JeN]

No Kiddin he was a Big Guy whicha wanna bet he prolly would had it down in two hours lol :P

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[Sledgehammer pic] That is a great photo... with the minaret in the background and he's giving it the full batter. Good photographer there... proper angle, proper frame, proper steel against totalitarian mortar...

Like the Berlin Wall:

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Guardian/General/Pictures/1999/11/04/smash.gif

:-)

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[Smoothie104]

Prissy,

We are there to free them, not to take over...... well not take over in such an obvious manner. We'd rather install "government officials" who will be basically puppets for the U.S. Profit from the rebuilding of infrastructure, and Cut ourselves a sweet oil deal. In the meantime we will keep the population fat and happy by building malls and fast food joints, and make sure everyone has a little cash in thier pocket to keep them distracted. They will become another spoke in the Imperialist Wheel.

Will it be better than life under Saddam? That probably depends on who you ask.

[GiR|y-JeN]

Yes I know we were there to free them of Sadam's rein but look at what it took for us to do that and the lives lost and when those's Marines rolled up to that statue in that tank they were cheering them on etc :P

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'Smoothie'... you're tossing gasoline onto the threads on this board. And you know it. :-)

Now the Kurds are moving towards Kirkuk:

http://www.kirkuk.dk/

Will free and democratic elections become the norm in all of Iraq in the future?

'Smoothie':

"In the meantime we will keep the population fat and happy by building malls and fast food joints, and make sure everyone has a little cash in thier pocket to keep them distracted."

Don' forget you have to keep them "afraid" as well. Then the government can tell them what a) is good for them, b) what they have to do, c) who they have to elect, d) who they have to hate, e) how much they have to pay, and f) if they protest... then how much they have to be marginalised ('cos surely they can't be 'true' Iraqi patriots) and their voices be unheard in the streets...

British troops announcing a policy of disarming the Iraqi people in the Basra region : http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_769073.html

"Iraq has a culture of weapons. There are a lot of them around, most held quite legally.

"If we want to give the new Iraq a chance these weapons have to be taken out of circulation."

"Legally held?" Change that quote to any US state and see how it sounds... :-)

(Eh... from their 'cold dead hands'?) Good enough for us... but not for you?

This quote above is succint and the full story can be read here:

http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_769073.html

This board is about military photographs... I'm moving to other boards to discuss the what-with, where-withal , and who-for-what.

But that said... can you hear the pat-pat-pating on their heads right now? 'Good Iraqis (pat-pat-pat)... do what we tell you (pat-pat-pat)... where's the oil (pat-pat-pat)... who? the kurds...? (pat-pat-pat)... ... ....
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[GiR|y-JeN]

Very well said front you deserve a " pat pat pat" on the back lol :lol: :D

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'Prissy'?

Right back at ya... hehe :-)

Oh... and g) What TV they can watch... I forgot that one. Just make sure they pay for it. And watch the adverts too...

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[hood]

What you left out, is they talked to the British guy. It's illegal to own guns there, so your statements about owning guns in the US doesn't apply here. One can go about one's life pre-occupied with the fact that every waking moment is under a democratic government that's really just out to get you and opress every movement you make and be a paranoid negative Nancy. OR, you can ignore the parts of society that you don't like, and shape your own destiny in a positive manner. Sure advertising is all over the place, but it doesn't mean I have to pay attention to it. Freedom is having that choice.

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For a mouthpiece of a regime about to be prosecuted for war crimes, why hasn't the ambassador been arrested?
As for that dude hammering at the statues pedestal, he should try out for the WWF--become the reincarnated IRON SHEIK. And his sidekick should be that HUGE SF guy with the 30" pythons in the SF/Afghanistan pics section. The new SGT Slaughter

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Will it be better than life under Saddam? That probably depends on who you ask. :cantbeli: :fork:

[GiR|y-JeN]

As for that dude hammering at the statues pedestal, he should try out for the WWF--become the reincarnated IRON SHEIK. And his sidekick should be that HUGE SF guy with the 30" pythons in the SF/Afghanistan pics section. The new SGT Slaughter


ROTFLMAO :lol:

[GiR|y-JeN]

Was watching cnn this evening and since that Marine posted the flag across Sadam's face. They are not allowed to hang or post flag no where not on the tanks not anything :cry: Quote " Got to remember this is Asian country" Quote

[hood]

yeah, it was said at the very beginning that it wasn't allowed, but the adrenaline of the situation took over then, and also in umm qasr too. It's difficult to fight hard for a spot, just to give it over to other people immediately afterwards.


http://www4.aixgaming.com/opend/albums/Gulf_War_2_Iraqi_Freedom_Marines/usmc28.jpg

[GiR|y-JeN]

Well if you ask me I think they should be able to put the flag on there tanks as long as they dont put it up or put it on anything Iraqi. But who am I :roll:

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"What you left out, is they talked to the British guy. It's illegal to own guns there, so your statements about owning guns in the US doesn't apply here."

The British are looking at a "guns amnesty" because a) the British commanders on the ground do not want a young British soldier 'coming home in a body bag' to his family because he suddenly found himself in a police situation.

b) British front line soldiers are not trained to deal with a civilian populace.

c) Especially a foreign 'Arab' civlian populace, on the ground (from the British history with the peoples, Arab or Assyrians, in the Middle East).

d) The British government, through the ages, and it's military, hate the fact that when they enter a foreign land (and that foreign land might be the American colonies (witness the 2nd Ammendent)), Ireland, India, Afghanistan, etc, etc, etc, the indigenous peoples, for whatever reason, want a bleeding gun in their home to stop any messing.

But today (Friday or Saturday eleventh or twelfth of April) these people in Iraq are paranoid. To attempt a disarmament right now is nonsense. Against looting?

"One can go about one's life pre-occupied with the fact that every waking moment is under a democratic government that's really just out to get you and opress every movement you make and be a paranoid negative Nancy."

Democratic governments are not out to "get" anyone. How can they be? Maybe I do not understand your agrument here...

"Sure advertising is all over the place, but it doesn't mean I have to pay attention to it. Freedom is having that choice."

You might not decide to "pay attention" to it but if you watch television, and "pay for the privilege" (in the USA) it can be up to $80 a month, and every 40 minutes you are entertained they slop 20 minutes into your brain. You might not think you pay attention to it, but you are paying for it in dollars. And in the end... that 20 minutes every hour... it builds up... Hood. They make you fear:

"Buy 'this' toothpaste or the girl won't kiss you, buy this 'spot-cream' or your friends won't look at you, buy these 'jeans' or you're a freak... etc, etc, etc...

The freedom of choice is not ingoring it... it's about thinking about it. Don't ignore anything... ever. Think... think. :-)

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