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rajkhalsa
07-05-2005, 06:30 PM
Once again, Pakistan is trying to stir up communal trouble in India by attacking an Indian pilgrimage point.

This attack is heinous because it is the center of a huge political and religious controversy, an unused Mosque that was built as a victory mosque by a Mughal tyrant on top of one of the most sacred sites of Hindus after he sacked and razed down the temple that stood before. After decades of controversy, this mosque in turn was in turn razed down by a mob of Hindus in 1991 leading to rioting across the country.

That has pretty much settled down, but this terrorist attack by Al-Queda-affiliated Pakistani group (the same one which massacred 30 people when they stormed another Hindu holy site in Akshardham, and which attempted to storm the Indian parliament a while ago, and which has the death of thousands on their hands in Kashmir) is done with the sole intent trying to stir up social unrest in India.


A couple months ago, Indian police busted a plot by Pakistani terrorists to destroy India's economic assets in Bangalore, so they can deter investors. This is the same thing.

I can't stress how much this is a very sick attack; it would be akin to Jewish terrorists storming the Dome of the Rock.

Thankfully, everyone in India, even the hardline Hindus and Muslims, have seen thru this bluff (even hardline religious Indians are Indians afterall), and there have been no incidents of communal tension.

In fact, this attack has brought together communities in communal harmony. So, it in fact achieved the reverse effect! woot

And this has also shown how much the capability of the Indian security forces have been increased in the last couple years. Regular joe police units, not even specialized COIN troopers or commandos, singlehandedly foiled a suicide attack by hardcore terrorists with no innocent casualties and only minor injuries.


And in another blow to morale to those Islamist terrorist dirtbags, some of the people responsible for putting a bullet through jehadi heads were policewoman :lol:

Eat that, acid-thrower!



6 ultras killed as they storm Ayodhya temple (http://www.tribuneindia.com/2005/20050706/main1.htm)

Explode vehicle to break security cordon

Shahira Naim
Tribune News Service

Ayodhya, July 5
Terrorists struck in Ayodhya on Tuesday morning. Blasting their way into the outer cordon of the high security makeshift temple at the Ram Janmabhoomi site all the six heavily armed militants were liquidated by the police after a one-and-a-half-hour exchange of fire within a stone’s throw from the sanctum sanctorum.

The driver of the hired vehicle that brought the five terrorists to the site has been arrested. According to policemen present on the spot, none of the six men could be identified, as they carried nothing in their pockets. “All were wearing readymade shirts of local brands which gives away nothing”, said a police officer.

The vehicle went up in flames next to the outer barricade near Security Tower No 12 to gain entry into the fortress-like complex. PAC battalion 11 and 14 is presently manning the security in the outer cordon along with the civil police. The security in the inner cordon is the responsibility of the CRPF.

The blood-soaked bodies of the six, as yet unidentified, militants lay in the low-lying bushy terrain behind the Sita ki Rasoi between Security Tower 12 and Security Tower 3. Two of the bodies were lying just next to the inner cordon barely 40 metres behind the sanctum sanctorum.

Live grenades and rocket launchers were strewn all over the place. Mr Narendra Prakash, a member of the bomb disposal squad, said the live grenades recovered from an airbag at the spot were strong enough to destroy the sanctum sanctorum even if they had been hurled from inside the outer cordon.

After the incident life quickly returned to normal. People could be seen moving around the streets and even children were seen playing. Shops were open though traffic was thin. There were security barricades only at two points, a big improvement from earlier tense occasions when movement was severely restricted.

According to eyewitness accounts, the uneasy calm in Ayodhya was shattered by a deafening blast around 9 a.m. when the terrorists blew up the Marshal Economy jeep bearing Faizabad registration number UP 42 T 0618 just in front of the Digambar Jain on Ved Mandir Marg west of Hanumar Garhi.

According to eyewitnesses the driver had managed to run away moments before the blast. The body nearest to the blasted vehicle, having its face completely blown away, could be that of a cleaner or assistant driver, claimed a senior policeman on the spot, Manoj Kumar Tiwari.

There were two versions regarding the site from where the terrorists entered the complex. While IG PAC Shiljakant Misra said they entered through the huge breach caused by the blast in the barricade, an eyewitness Urmila Pathak claimed to have seen at least two of them climbing a neem tree and jumping inside the barricade before she ran for cover.

Another eyewitness Tyagi Nawal Kishore Das, Mahant of the Sitaram Bhawan temple, claimed that the others also jumped into the campus climbing the wall across his temple which is a few metres away from the spot where the jeep was blown up.

After the heavy exchange of fire the police succeeded in eliminating all the men who had breached the security cordon.



Some photos:
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^ Policeman exchanging fire with terrorists

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^ The remains of the exploded jeep

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^ Unexploded grenades found

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^ Checking the bodies of the terrorists for undetonated suicide bombs

Security has been stepped up at religious monuments around the country:
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Macs.
07-05-2005, 06:39 PM
Good Job ! :)

seruriermarshal
07-05-2005, 06:40 PM
Thanks God all terrorists be killed .

Aerosoul
07-05-2005, 06:46 PM
They are so out of their ****ing minds. I just cannot understand...

Laworkerbee
07-05-2005, 06:49 PM
Looks like India need's to look into regime change in Pakistan, now about those pesky nukes

ZeroZen
07-05-2005, 07:05 PM
I think they're trying to provoke a religious war, They tried at 9/11 but didn't ignite the crusade.In a sense they doing it on hindus. Muslim and Hindus in the sub-indian continent are more volatile and more highly to get their hands on the nukes.

rajkhalsa
07-05-2005, 09:23 PM
Some more information

Map of the attack:
http://www.tribuneindia.com/2005/20050706/ind4.jpg

Swift action in Ayodhya due to intelligence info: Centre (http://www.hindu.com/thehindu/holnus/000200507051801.htm?headline=Swift~action~in~Ayodhya~due~to~intelligence~info:~Centre)
New Delhi, July. 5 (PTI): The Centre today said it had "intelligence information" about the possibility of a militant attack at religious places and areas of national importance and claimed today's swift action in Ayodhya was a result of the intelligence input.

"We had intelligence information in late May and meetings of all Directors General of Police and Chiefs of Central para-military forces were convened immediately after that," Union Home Secretary Vinod Kumar Duggal, told reporters here.

The intelligence spoke of some militant modules targeting religious places of national importance, he said


Lashker-e-Taiba suspected to be behind attack (http://www.rediff.com/news/2005/jul/05ayo4.htm)
As efforts are on to identify the group behind Tuesday's terror attack at the makeshift temple in Ayodhya, security agencies suspect the hand of Pakistan-based Lashker-e-Taiba outfit in it.

LeT has been planning to target the makeshift temple for long and one such plot had been uncovered when the Border Security Force killed a top leader of the outfit in Kashmir in 2003, security sources said.

After striking the Akshardham temple in Gandhinagar in 2002, LeT had planned a suicide attack in Ayodhya to arouse communal passions and trigger riots the same year, ahead of the anniversary of demolition of the disputed structure, they said.

The plan, however, could not be executed as the terrorists assigned the task were killed in an encounter with Delhi Police in Tughlakhabad in South Delhi in November 2002 while they were on their way to Ayodhya.

The plot came to light after the BSF killed LeT militant Manzoor Zahid Choudhary in Budgam in Kashmir on August 8, 2002 following specific information. The plan was contained in the documents and laptop computer recovered from Zahid, the sources said.

Examination of the same also disclosed the outfit's plan to carry out a suicide attack on Amarnath pilgrims that year.


And I was wrong, there was one casualty... A 72 year old pilgrim.. :fork:
Source (http://www.telegraphindia.com/1050706/asp/frontpage/story_4956033.asp)
Shanti Devi, 72, had come to offer prayers for her late husband Ramcharan Yadav and was grievously injured in the crossfire.

One?
07-05-2005, 09:58 PM
so it was OKAY for hindus to destroy the mosque and that was a holy act but its not okay for muslims to keep the mosque. wow i love how you think.

MaDuce
07-05-2005, 10:02 PM
so it was OKAY for hindus to destroy the mosque and that was a holy act but its not okay for muslims to keep the mosque. wow i love how you think.
Sit in the corner

platform389
07-05-2005, 10:17 PM
Looks like India need's to look into regime change in Pakistan, now about those pesky nukes

THE #1 place on the planet where the next nuclear explosion will occur. And it won't one or two either...

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rajkhalsa
07-05-2005, 10:34 PM
so it was OKAY for hindus to destroy the mosque and that was a holy act but its not okay for muslims to keep the mosque. wow i love how you think.
You are a dumbass, because you know nothing about the situation, nor are you even concerned with any semblance of perspective.


Firstly, I am Sikh. I'm not even Hindu.

Secondly, no I do not think its ok but I do think it was very well avoidable. That temple/area is literally the centerpiece of faith for hundreds of millions of Hindus.

It is like their Mecca, Jeruselam, Vatican, Golden Temple, etc. For over a thousand years, a temple was built on that spot and was a great place of pilgrimage. A tyrannical Islamist king who literally killed ten thousand non-Muslims in religious wars, destroyed this temple and put up a Mosque in its place to insult the faith of Hindus.

This Mosque stood abandoned for hundreds of years, and all the while, the site was of huge importance to Hindus, and despite its destruction, was a center of pilgrimage. Obviously, since the Mosque was not being used, and because of the history, Hindus started demanding that the temple be built.

Rather than pay respect to the Hindus, local Muslim leaders decided that an unused, empty Mosque that no one went to on one of the holiest/the holiest sites for Hindus is completely fair. They even rejected by Hindus to build a temple on the site, and build a brand new mosque next door. This situation could have led to great communal harmony, and this was accepted by the majority of Hindus and Muslims in India.


Yet, they didn't. They tried their damndest to derail communal harmony, and the result was the pot boiled over.

Can you imagine the Jews destroying the Kabbah and putting an unused Synagogue in its place just to insult Muslims, or Muslims razing down St. Peters Cathederal and putting up their own Mosque? Or what about a Christian leveling the sacred Bodhi tree and building a Church right on the spot where Buddha reached enlightenment, simply to say 'screw you' to the Buddhists of the world? Can you imagine what would have happened?

Interesting, no?


But what I find more interesting, however, is that you are equalling the destruction of an empty concrete building to a deliberate terrorist attack aimed at destroying one of the world's great pilgrimage places, killing pilgrims, and trying to jumpstart sectarian violence that could kill thousands.

This terrorist attack at a high-visibility religious or political institution in an effort to terrorize members of a particular faith and create social disharmony is hardly a new thing by these same terrorists... Kashmir State Assembly, Parliament, Godhra, Akshardham Temple, and now Ayodhya.

This attack is the latest and most heinous an attack on India's religious freedom and secularism. It is the n'th time that Pakistan has backstabbed India with violence of incredible collateral magniutde during a peace process. Amarnath, Kargil, Godhra, etc.


There is being politically correct and then being a complete bloody nutcase that condones the murder of innocents.


Wow. I hate how you think.

sheroo
07-05-2005, 10:36 PM
so it was OKAY for hindus to destroy the mosque and that was a holy act but its not okay for muslims to keep the mosque. wow i love how you think.

No it is not OK for hindus to destroy a mosque. I am a hindu and was not happy with what happened. There is a lon history behind this mosque. In fact after an extensive survey by UNESCO and the Archeological suryev of India it has been established that this site was in fact an ancient hindu temple which was destroyed by Babar ( a mughal ruler of Persian/mongolian descent). This mosque was not even used for prayers at the time of its demolition. But besides that this particular attack had nothing to do with destroying the temple but more to do with instigating riots between hindus and muslims.

sheroo
07-05-2005, 10:37 PM
ok so Raj beat me to it....

rajkhalsa
07-05-2005, 10:59 PM
I feel some people are underestimating how serious a matter this is. PEOPLE IN INDIA ARE PISSED. Not just fanatical Hindus. It has literally united all faiths and creeds in India, even the Islamist fundamentalist deobandi nutcases.

Why? Because the Pakistani is trying to pit Hindu against Muslim and create communial violence in the greatest scale. SUCH COMMUNAL VIOLENCE WILL HAVE THE ECONOMIC AND POLITIACL DESTRUCTION OF A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION.


If you haven't realized it... even a bend backwards pacifist India has strategic redlines. One of them is an attack by a country aimed at killing thousands.

The peace process will collapse, and this may escallate to war.


What the Ayodhya attack signifies (http://us.rediff.com/news/2005/jul/05faq.htm)

Sheela Bhatt in New Delhi | July 05, 2005 22:49 IST
Last Updated: July 06, 2005 00:04 IST


What does the attack on Ayodhya signify?

Before anything else, every concerned Indian should bow to the personnel of the Central Reserve Police Force and the Uttar Pradesh police for killing the five terrorists (one is supposed to have blown himself up) who were out to wreck India's communal harmony by targeting the sensitive Ram Janambhoomi and eventually affect its march towards faster economic development.

As Congress president Sonia Gandhi put it, 'it was an attack on the prestige of India'.

The attack is a wake-up call for the Manmohan Singh-led United Progressive Alliance government.

The critics will have strong justification when they claim the much-celebrated India-Pakistan peace process has not helped in curbing threats of jihadi terrorism in India. But nevertheless, it also proves that there are more reasons to keep up the peace process with better tact and strategy.

The inbuilt expectation from the India-Pakistan peace process was that it would stop jihadi or any kind of terrorism from across the Western border into India. The incident in Ayodhya proves that India needs to urgently do a reality check.

This event also signifies that India's battle against terrorism is far from over. It's now obvious that the UPA government's efforts to counter terrorism lack strategy.

A tragedy has been averted and it's time to learn the lessons. For the moment, the state of internal security seems as fickle as it was when the terrorists attacked Parliament.

Talking to rediff.com, jihadi terrorism expert B Raman said, "One of the reasons for escalation of jihadi activities in India could be the fast developing India-US relations. All over the world, Osama bin Laden-led terrorists are aiming at countries which are close allies of America like Morocco, Spain, Turkey, Kenya and Indonesia."

He said Islamist terrorists were closely watching the fast growing diplomatic and defence relations between the US and India. They perceive India as a surrogate nation and they think that now India is aligning with the US in their designs in Asia.

Raman said, "India should expect many more attacks in the coming months by LeT type of organisations."

Who tried to vandalise the Ramjanmabhoomi on Tuesday and why?

A top level source in the government told rediff.com that the first report the CRPF sent from Ayodhya suggested that this was an act of the Lashkar–e-Tayyiba.

LeT is the military wing of Markaz-ud-Dawa-wal-Irshad , the fundamentalist organisation based in Muridke near Lahore in Pakistan.

Most LeT members are believers of a sect called the Ahle-Hadith. The LeT was also behind the attack on Indian Parliament. It has been banned by India and the United States.

Dr Ajay Sahni of South Asia Terrorism Portal told rediff.com that the Lashkar's agenda, as outlined in a pamphlet titled 'Why we are waging jihad' includes the restoration of Islamic rule over all parts of India, not just Jammu and Kashmir.

Is the LeT still strong even after US pressure on Pakistan to curb jihadi terrorism on its soil?

Indian experts on jihadi terrorism consider such assumptions (that America is able to influence Pakistan authorities in curbing the anti-India activities of Pakistan-based fundamentalists) naïve.

They think the LeT is not only surviving but is growing strong. Raman said, "After the Iraq war in 2003, there was a decrease in terrorist activity on Indian soil. After the Mumbai bomb blasts in 2003, there have been no major terrorist attacks... at least outside Jammu and Kashmir. But now, a large number of Saudi recruits have joined the war against the US in Iraq. As a result, Pakistani elements of LeT have returned on the Indian borders."

Raman added that the more important thing to note was that the LeT was now desperate to recruit Indian Muslims in its cadre.

Raman said the attack proves that "the so-called India-Pakistan peace process has no impact whatsoever on the motivation of jihadi terrorists." One must not forget that LeT is an associate of the Osama bin Laden-led international Jihadi movement.

Dr Sahni said, "Pakistan is bent on influencing any section of the Indian society possible to wage war against India, whether they are insurgents in the northeast or the Khalistani group or the Islamic group."

Why do most Indian terrorism experts tend to blame Pakistan when such attacks take place?

When the Indian state is so vulnerable to violent attacks, one can't help but listen to what its senior ministers and government say on record in Parliament.

Pranab Mukherjee, who was on a visit to the US, said in an interview to India Abroad diplomatic editor Aziz Haniffa that 'the United States of America considers Pakistan as a very effective ally to fight against terrorism and the Taliban. We consider that cross-border terrorism in Jammu and Kashmir is taking place as it is inspired by Pakistan. But these two different appreciations of situations does not mean we are not friends.'

Raman pointed out that Mukherjee's statement says it all.

Notwithstanding the peace process, Pakistan President General Musharraf has not taken any credible legal action against the Harakat ul-Mujahideen aka Harakat ul-Ansar's chief Fazlur Rehman Khalil, or against LeT chief Hafiz Muhammad Saeed. They are engaged openly in anti-India activities in Pakistan.

When a reliable source in the Indian government claims that LeT is behind the Ayodhya attack on Tuesday, obviously the buck stops in Islamabad.

Dr Sahni said last year 1800 people were killed in J&K because of terrorism.

He said, "Unless the Pakistan government stops providing a safe haven to terrorists, the violence in J & K will not stop."

Can the government of India declare that Mukherjee's statement on American soil is a lie or accept that in spite of the ongoing peace process Musharraf's support to terrorist activities in India has not ended, asks Dr Sahni.

Many experts believe the Manmohan Singh government is in denial mode. In its anxiety to keep the peace process on track, it is wary of coming clean on terrorist attacks in J&K.

Sahni said, "We have written many times that because the Kashmir issue has attracted international attention it is no more possible for Pakistan to carry on terrorism openly in J&K. We have expected that once the sponsorship of terrorism in Kashmir ends they will have to move to the rest of India. Musharraf has a simple strategy. Try for the so-called settlement of Kashmir and also keep up pressure on India. If peace negotiations fail, increase pressure on India by other means.''

Raman said, "I would not say that Pakistan is directly involved in the Ayodhya attack but it is entirely possible that such movement and activities are continuing with their knowledge. This is certainly a case of sponsorship of terrorism."

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ElHombre
07-05-2005, 11:40 PM
raj,

thanks for your post. it's one of the few in-depth looks into that region of the world.

demotivater
07-06-2005, 01:20 AM
raj,

thanks for your post. it's one of the few in-depth looks into that region of the world.
Agreed, quite interesting

FOX 1
07-06-2005, 01:39 AM
Yes, Good job Indian Authorities. But 1 thing I have to correct in this topic is the demolishment of the mosque occured in December 1992, not in December 1991 when the Hindu mobs gathered and suceed. I guces this was another reason and excuse why Muslim Fundamentalist hates Hindus/ India as much as USA/Isreal and Christsians.

stuntman
07-06-2005, 01:44 AM
Wile reading this I remember that we (USA) aren't the only one's dealing with terrorism of this scale!
Go India!

Kontra1
07-06-2005, 08:51 AM
raj,

thanks for your post. it's one of the few in-depth looks into that region of the world.

Absolutelly.We often skip talking about that part of the world unless it comes up in the news.

Here is more info on the religious conflicts from that region.

http://www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=NEWS


Kontra1