Beyond disrespect

[RomanS]

This was an add in the new Computer Gaming Monthly magazine, advertising strategy for SOCOM 2
Here is a scan from it

Russian Soldiers displayed holding what looks like strategy guides for the game.
http://www.gunsnet.net/album/uploads//6673/f.jpg

And this is an original photo we found after reading this bull****.
Russian soldiers holding photos of their fallen comrades. Memorial in Russia.
http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/6673f2.jpg

This is very disrespectful for the dead soldiers, no matter where you from.

[ChuckThunder]

This was an add in the new Computer Gaming Monthly magazine, advertising strategy for SOCOM 2
Here is a scan from it

Russian Soldiers displayed holding what looks like strategy guides for the game.
http://www.gunsnet.net/album/uploads//6673/f.jpg

And this is an original photo we found after reading this bull****.
Russian soldiers holding photos of their fallen comrades. Memorial in Russia.
http://www.gunsnet.net/album/data//500/6673f2.jpg

This is very disrespectful for the dead soldiers, no matter where you from.

Agreed. What a crappy game too...

[Dalleer]

Alright, maybe the people back in "Computer Gaming Monthly" picked a rather wrong image this time.

I'm going to have to agree on the matter that this was not exactly the most correct picture to use for an add.

[Trigger]

That ain't right. :(

[farmgirl]

Agreed... so wrong to do that.

[anonymous individual]

Absolute outage!

[Haiw]

You can't blame the mag, because you can't expect from them to pick out every ad...the blame is on the worthless pieces of **** that made that add, and thought it could be used in mags.

[Ratamacue]

What a bunch of f*ckin' geniuses they must have advertising for those strategy guides. :cantbeli:

[Apogee]

I agree its pretty messed up. Ad's should be a little more researched. Alot more people would be pissed off if this was American soldiers.

[NcDeuce]

That's ****ed up

[usa320]

Thats worse bull**** than SOCOM II itself.

**** CGM and its ad people.

and **** SOCOM II.

AND **** THE STRATEGY GUIDES.

[California Joe]

Not cool. My son got that game for Christmas. That vexes me sorely.

[DE_Six]

This time, they have really redefined the concept of bad taste...

What a bunch of f**kwads... :bash:

[RomanS]

As being Russian, it feels comfy to see your support. Thank you all

I'm sure the game developers have nothing to do with this.

[usa320]

Whoever took the picture should sue them for misuse or copyright infirngement.

[Undo]

Send all hatemail to:

feedback@1UP.com

[NcDeuce]

We ought to send letters to that company.

[Tane Angle]

Wow, that is pretty dang low. Why would they choose that picture? The ad doesn't seem helped any by the line of solemn soldiers, it just seems like insensitivity for the sake of insensitivity. The dead are the dead, regardless of nationality.

[California Joe]

This is the way it works:

Ad agency gets contacted to do ad for Strategy guides. They no **** about the military, they brainstorm ideas, they go on the net looking for military type photos, they see Russian soldiers, flat surface to photoshop product onto. They rejoice at their good fortune. They build ad. They disregard the feelings of families in Russia because, F' them, they aren't our target market. Business is business. Sad but true.

[ArmedPacifist]

Extremely bad taste. I agree with the law suit idea.

[TriggerPuller]

Does anybody know,not that it really matters,when the original picture was taken?
Just an FYI the guy on the cover of SOCOM II is still active and a good friend of my bosses,I know him as well but not like my boss. One of the guys on my team is a former TEAM guy too and good friends with the guy on the cover so my partner was asked to do some movements for the cameras and his body likeness is used for the game. I dont know **** about video games but I did buy it for my son for Christmas.

TP

[Undo]

This is the letter I wrote,

"To Electronic Gaming Monthly editors



Dear Sir/Madam,

Your magazine recently ran an editorial by Mark MacDonald that contained
an extremely offensive image manipulation (Issue 175, Feb. 2004). The
original image was of Russian soldiers holding photographs of dead
comrades during a memorial service. It was manipulated, presumably by
Mark MacDonald, to show Socom playstation game boxes in the frames rather
than the photos of the Russian soldiers killed in action. I can only
assume that Mark MacDonald (or the author of the picture) suffered from a
critical lack of judgment when he willingly used this image in this
abhorrent way. I find this appalling both as a former soldier and as a
human being.

I am sending a copy of the image from your magazine, as well as the
original image with this email, as well as an email to the ***** Image
Library from which the original image was obtained, to Sony (the publisher
of the game) as well as to many other groups including veteran’s
organizations and the Russian consulate. I am also sending the email
without images to ensure that it is received by all of the addressees.

I would appreciate it if you would publish an apology for using this image
in this way, as well as an apology from Mark MacDonald or the author of
the image.

Thank you for your time."

I also sent it to Bratishka magazine, so good luck to Mark MacDonald...heh.

[Caribou Kid]

Nice one, Undo.

Make them accountable for their actions on the very medium they are targeting; the internet. (After all, it was in an electronic gaming magazine, wasn't it?) In the olden days of snail mail, your protest letter would probably have been disregarded or ignored, but thankfully, the use of CC'ing and reposting has made this sort of action much more effective and attention-grabbing. :slap:

I could not imagine ANYONE daring to use, say, images of the fallen Warriors memorial service from Somalia, for example, in such a disgusting manner. :oops: It is complelely and utterly tasteless. :roll:
With any luck, your actions will result in SEVERE action :bash: being taken against the brainless idiot who designed that page layout.

I look forward to follow-ups on this thread with great interest.

Once again, Undo, well done, mate. have a beer on me.

"This is my Keyboard. There are many like it, but this one is mine...."

[Ballistic]

This is the letter I wrote,

"To Electronic Gaming Monthly editors



Dear Sir/Madam,

Your magazine recently ran an editorial by Mark MacDonald that contained
an extremely offensive image manipulation (Issue 175, Feb. 2004). The
original image was of Russian soldiers holding photographs of dead
comrades during a memorial service. It was manipulated, presumably by
Mark MacDonald, to show Socom playstation game boxes in the frames rather
than the photos of the Russian soldiers killed in action. I can only
assume that Mark MacDonald (or the author of the picture) suffered from a
critical lack of judgment when he willingly used this image in this
abhorrent way. I find this appalling both as a former soldier and as a
human being.

I am sending a copy of the image from your magazine, as well as the
original image with this email, as well as an email to the ***** Image
Library from which the original image was obtained, to Sony (the publisher
of the game) as well as to many other groups including veteran’s
organizations and the Russian consulate. I am also sending the email
without images to ensure that it is received by all of the addressees.

I would appreciate it if you would publish an apology for using this image
in this way, as well as an apology from Mark MacDonald or the author of
the image.

Thank you for your time."

I also sent it to Bratishka magazine, so good luck to Mark MacDonald...heh.

Well done, extremely well written and I hope something is done about this drastic lack in judgement. How dare they. I work for a computer games store (EB Games), if that magazine is on our store shelves here in Australia, I'll be ripping every page out, it's an absolute outrage. Shame on those marketing people, I'm absolutely disgusted. :bash: :bash: :bash: :slap:


I could not imagine ANYONE daring to use, say, images of the fallen Warriors memorial service from Somalia, for example, in such a disgusting manner. It is complelely and utterly tasteless.

The game titled "Black Hawk Down" by Novalogic is bad enough.

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Thats a pretty low blow what they did. :cantbeli:

[ibstolidude]

This is the letter I wrote,

"To Electronic Gaming Monthly editors



Dear Sir/Madam,

Your magazine recently ran an editorial by Mark MacDonald that contained
an extremely offensive image manipulation (Issue 175, Feb. 2004). The
original image was of Russian soldiers holding photographs of dead
comrades during a memorial service. It was manipulated, presumably by
Mark MacDonald, to show Socom playstation game boxes in the frames rather
than the photos of the Russian soldiers killed in action. I can only
assume that Mark MacDonald (or the author of the picture) suffered from a
critical lack of judgment when he willingly used this image in this
abhorrent way. I find this appalling both as a former soldier and as a
human being.

I am sending a copy of the image from your magazine, as well as the
original image with this email, as well as an email to the ***** Image
Library from which the original image was obtained, to Sony (the publisher
of the game) as well as to many other groups including veteran’s
organizations and the Russian consulate. I am also sending the email
without images to ensure that it is received by all of the addressees.

I would appreciate it if you would publish an apology for using this image
in this way, as well as an apology from Mark MacDonald or the author of
the image.

Thank you for your time."

I also sent it to Bratishka magazine, so good luck to Mark MacDonald...heh.

Well done, extremely well written and I hope something is done about this drastic lack in judgement. How dare they. I work for a computer games store (EB Games), if that magazine is on our store shelves here in Australia, I'll be ripping every page out, it's an absolute outrage. Shame on those marketing people, I'm absolutely disgusted. :bash: :bash: :bash: :slap:


I could not imagine ANYONE daring to use, say, images of the fallen Warriors memorial service from Somalia, for example, in such a disgusting manner. It is complelely and utterly tasteless.

The game titled "Black Hawk Down" by Novalogic is bad enough.
Novalogic actually has the US Army's blessings..many of their CD's have links to the US Army website. I was actually given one of the games by one of their reps several years ago, just for hving been in the armed services.

[Ballistic]

The game still sucks :P Although better than most "Delta Force" games. A few addons are on the way too. Joint Operations and Team Sabre.

[ibstolidude]

The game still sucks. :P

fair enough and quite possibly very accurate...i never actually played it.
And it was one called landwarrior it was not the BlackHawkDown thing.

[Ballistic]

Delta Force Landwarrior was terrible. The previous Delta games were much better. And as stated above the next one coming are looking better than BHD. But this is getting off topic :)

[Caribou Kid]

I just went to the web site of the mag in question, and saw they have their own forum boards. Why not cut and paste a link to this thread over there, and shame them on their own turf? hit them where it hurts, on their own message board, so their most LOYAL followers/fans are aware of this tasteless, badly-though-out, stupid, and HIGHLY OFFENSIVE miscalculation by the publishers? Can one of you techo-types manage this, as I am not the best at reliably posting working links ... :oops: Any takers? (okay, so I'm not a tech weenie. :| )

lets show these knob-heads that they can't get away with this.... :fork:

[anonymous individual]

I agreed.

[RomanS]

I just did brothers!
http://boards.1up.com/zd/board/message?board.id=general&message.id=11412

[Bloody Creep]

THIS IS DISRESPECT TO ALL MY FALLED COMRADES... THIS IS THE LAST TIME THOSE MOTHERFUKERS DISReSPECT MY COUNTRY!... tHAT IS NOT FUNNY... I NOW HAVE A WISH TO KILL THIS ASSHOLE... DUDE... MY COMRADES DIE TO SAVE LIVES AND THIS IS WHAT THEY GET... I JUST REGISTERED AND THOSE MOFOS PISS ME OFF!!!!! aND TO ALL MY RUSSIAN COMRADES

DA ETO VOINA! MI BOLSHE NE BUDEM SIDET I SMOTRET KAK ETI KOZLI ETO DALAYUT ... NASHI TOVARISHI NE UMERALI DLYA TOVO SHTO NAD NIMI SMIYALIS!

[Caribou Kid]

You have to bear in mind that it's a not the same sort of forum that is here, mate. It's a GAMES forum, and will have a hell of a lot of very immature kids :roll: and others who do not "appreciate" the sacrifice and effort of these dead warriors. Let the childish comments be like water off a ducks back, my friend. Those of us who "know", understand what a shameful thing has been done, and will pay the appropriate respect. The rest should be as minor and meaningless as the opinion of a passenger passing your car in a bus.
You can't get EVERYONE to be nice, but enough good people will see the truth, you will see... :hug:

[to free the oppressed]

THIS IS DISRESPECT TO ALL MY FALLED COMRADES... THIS IS THE LAST TIME THOSE MOTHERFUKERS DISReSPECT MY COUNTRY!... tHAT IS NOT FUNNY... I NOW HAVE A WISH TO KILL THIS ASSHOLE... DUDE... MY COMRADES DIE TO SAVE LIVES AND THIS IS WHAT THEY GET... I JUST REGISTERED AND THOSE MOFOS PISS ME OFF!!!!! aND TO ALL MY RUSSIAN COMRADES

Calm the hell down I'm saying that in no disrespect.

[Bloody Creep]

I just sent those guys a letter too... requesting apology PERSONALY from the MODer of the pic...

[Bloody Creep]

Sorry if im pissed off but i would kill EGMs Picture modder if i had nothing to lose! :bash: :bash: :bash:

[Dmitri]

Calm the hell down I'm saying that in no disrespect.
OH MY GOD
People, I believe this might be the infamous WOODLAND coming back to the forum.
If anyone remembers, the idiotic "Weep'em its America" is exactly what he had before, and the comment about "commies" also sounds like something he would wright, I read quite a bit of his stupid posts like these on the picture galleries.
Bloody Creep: don't appologize, especially since it might be our moronic friend here.

[Shake n Bake]

What a **** up :cantbeli:


The next issue they should put out a full page apology

[Dmitri]

I forgot to mention that I'm talking about "free the opressed" guy, some of the oldtimers might remeber Woodland

[ibstolidude]

DA ETO VOINA! MI BOLSHE NE BUDEM SIDET I SMOTRET KAK ETI KOZLI ETO DALAYUT ... NASHI TOVARISHI NE UMERALI DLYA TOVO SHTO NAD NIMI SMIYALIS! -

HEy, Cooter Brown! Calm down and remember your audience.

No one here so far has said it was acceptable that people use such disrespect...so far eveyone agress with your diatribe.
and as you can see they "didn't sit and watch as those people do this". As somone posted they contacted the company.
because everyone so far agrees "your friends did not die so that others can laugh at you all. "

Those asses should apologize for the disrespect but please remember that so far we are all on your side about this.

[Tane Angle]

I don't think most people on here would do anything like sit and watch it. If the people on here had been in the advertising office the day they came up with this, I have a feeling pretty much everyone on here would have given the person who came up with it a good yelling. I don't think anyone on here would respect your friends, or any soldiers, that way. And the makers of that game/advertisement are not representative of Americans. Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

[Dmitri]

nm

[Sean85]

Thats not cool at all...not cool at all.... :(

[Whistler]

Agree with all you guys... that was low.

Heres my letter to the editor:


Dear Electronic Gaming Monthly,

I noticed in your most recent EGM magazine that there was SOCOM II strategy guide by Mark MacDonald accompanied by a picture of Russian soldiers holding what appeared to be SOCOM game boxes. But, the picture was in fact taken in 2000 during a memorial for fallen Russian soldiers during the war in Chechnya. The SOCOM boxes they were holding were edited.

In the original picture they had been holding portraits of their fallen comrades. I find it very distasteful that you would modify such a picture of any memorial service, which was intended to be a somber occasion for rememberence, not an cover shot for a war video game.

Imagine if the same thing had been done to a picture of American soldiers killed in Iraq, and it had been seen by a family member. It would not be pleasant for them. There is little chance that any family members in Russia will see your photo, but that is not the point.

I hope this was a mere oversight by a photoeditor and that your magazine did not intend any harm in your potrayal of these soldiers. I would be greatly reassured if you posted some sort of apology or retraction in your magazine.

[Undo]

Nice one, Undo.

Once again, Undo, well done, mate. have a beer on me.

"This is my Keyboard. There are many like it, but this one is mine...."

You send me a stubby of VB and I will drink it in your honour!

[Ballistic]

For those of us who dont speak Russian, can you translate if for us ? I can understand his hurt and anguish (and the other Russians here, although never truly know the loss you feel), but he is saying this to people who already totally and 100% agree with the situation. He may have apologised but some of his comments were a little innapropriate. We are all (mostly) friends here I would hope, and there are better ways to go about this than yelling, screaming and using obscenities. This situation will be resolved, hopefully with a heartfelt apology from the marketing team who did the editing for the picture and the magazine itself, hopefully Sony aswell, for they would have had to of given approval for use of their product in the picture I would think.

[Dmitri]

ibstolidude, I believe you misinterpreted the quote from Bloody Creep
He said nothing of people on this website

[Beowulf]

"Cooter Brown"...ahahahahhahhaha...hilarious

[ibstolidude]

DA ETO VOINA! MI BOLSHE NE BUDEM SIDET I SMOTRET KAK ETI KOZLI ETO DALAYUT ... NASHI TOVARISHI NE UMERALI DLYA TOVO SHTO NAD NIMI SMIYALIS! -

for Ballistic
-

It has been many moons and the latinic version is actually hard for me as I must sound out the words!

(interpretation not a translation)
"It is outrageous! We no longer should sit and watch while they do this. Our friends did not die so that they may be laughed at."

[Ballistic]

Thanks ibstolidude.

[16 OBr SpN]

My God, what kind of heartless and immoral bastard would do that kind of thing!? :(

Indeed, human ignorance and cruelty doesn't have a limit! :(

Вот сука, я бы эту мразь с удовольствием в расход пустил!!

[Durandal]

Maybe I looked at a different magazine...this was an article.

They are not holding strategy guides but rather the introduction to an article ABOUT hints. The company is COMPLETELY responsible.

Even if it were an advertisement, the black ribbon onthe side should have clued them in. This is associated with death or memorial in many countries and cultures.

Having been an advertisement and newspaper layout designer I find ANY excuse for this pathetic. We always checked stuff like this...the beauty of the internet...even when it was in its infancy.

Bad, bad, bad...

Anyone send them a little email telling them they have no classs?

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Theres been a few to go out now. That picture totally lacks any taste at all, I hope who-ever did it certainly lose's his job over this.

[martinexsquaddie]

thats just crass I've seen some dodgy adverts in my time but using a mermorial to flog a video game.
I suggest which ever clueless **** gets to go to russia to personally to apologize. its extremely offensive. ( mind you with some GRU type people knowing about it I'd be very worried about getting stabbed in the back by an unbrella)
personally if fulsome apologies are'nt forthcoming they desrve all they get :(

[Sabre]

Durandal is right. I noticed the black ribbon on the corner of the pictures straight away. Even if you were not aware of the origional photo (ie as the editor of the magazine) you should still be able to tell that this was not an apropriate image to publish. Shame on them all!

I, too, am fed up of the attitude in some quarters that a russian in uniform is fair game. From James Bond mindlessly killing russian conscripts to such low and disgraceful marketing ploys as this, the west has long shown a disregard for the lives of russian soldiers, sometimes even revelling in their deaths. The Cold War is over, we should be seeing Russia as an ally in these times of international terrorism, but many are still clouded with the somewhat one-sided hatred of our former Soviet friends. Even during the past fifty years, any soldier or person that understood the meaning of serving in the armed forces would have respect for their counterparts. Such a trivialisation of the deaths of these fine young men is, I would imagine, abhorrent to any serving soldier and should be to any human being.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Anything for a buck. It's disgusting.

[oldsoak]

I can only echo the sentiments here. Some people deserve a good slapping.

[Nawlins]

I can only echo the sentiments here. Some people deserve a good slapping.

I second that, and modify "slapping" to "kick in the teeth."

[Kriz]

Blame Canada ! (no offense to the Canadian members;))

[Smintjes]

And what do you think of this:

http://www.intrudershop.com.tw/product_catalog/AK-11/AK-11-OS-1.jpg

Using Osama to sell AK47 airsoft kits. Although I'm an airsoft player myself, I think this is way over the top.

[usa320]

The game titled "Black Hawk Down" by Novalogic is bad enough.

I dont feel it was. It was done right IMHO. It is to Somalia as COD is to WWII. As long as the game represents the battle in correct historically accurate fashion, its generally not all that distasteful.

[Midav]

To the original post in the thread, I don't think it's just disrespectful, but stupid as well.

[anonymous individual]

Blame Canada ! (no offense to the Canadian members;))

That comment was extremely inappropriate to be posted here, regardless if it references to Canada or any nation for the purpose of a amusement. This thread is no place for humours. Please show some sign of respect.

Thank you.

[Dalleer]

http://www.intrudershop.com.tw/product_catalog/AK-11/AK-11-OS-1.jpg

Right, that thing is pretty crappy too.

So, what does Bin Laden say in the photo (the text in it) ?

"This weapon sucks, kinda like Bin Laden himself?" or "don't buy this weapon, it'll fall apart quicker than the Taliban regime in 2001 !"

In any case, as an airsofter I find that thing very bad for the sport's image.

[Haiw]

If the people on here had been in the advertising office the day they came up with this, I have a feeling pretty much everyone on here would have given the person who came up with it a good yelling.
A yelling? A YELLING?!?! He'd be collecting his teeth from his ****ing coffee cup damnit.

What's up with the lameass airsoft ak-47 add?! 'Play your ultimate hero, OBL!' :|

[Tane Angle]

I probably would have given him the same reaction, Haiw, but you know me, I'm usually a little low key with my words (not necessarily the same with my actions though).

[SOG]

Wow, that is pretty dang low. Why would they choose that picture?

i was just hanging at my friends and he had a copy of pc gamer and i have to say the lowest common denominator advertising, and the unbelievable remarks made by the staff and gamers alike is jaw dropping. literally these magazines are being run by people who deem nothing is holy and everything is funny and they run around with the extreme attitude of saying anything they want because you cant reach through the mag and choke the little ****s.


when i 1st saw it i thought they just hired some ruskies to hold copies, when i scrolled down.... not so good.
whoever made that ad should have his knees shattered.

[NcDeuce]

The game titled "Black Hawk Down" by Novalogic is bad enough.

I dont feel it was. It was done right IMHO. It is to Somalia as COD is to WWII. As long as the game represents the battle in correct historically accurate fashion, its generally not all that distasteful.

I don't think using the title "Black Hawk Down" is wrong. It just happens to be the name of Bowden's book. If you mean the game itself, then we might as well get rid of the games where you storm the beaches of Normandy and such.

Neh, it's all in good fun...it is a freaking game...let boys play with their toys. Hell, I was told by someone that the first time he played a Novalogic game was while he was deployed in EF.

[Haiw]

I probably would have given him the safe reaction, Haiw, but you know me, I'm usually a little low key with my words (not necessarily the same with my actions though).
Screw safe reaction. I mean, I'm normally the kinda "there aint nothing you can't crack a joke about" guy, but this is just...too far. It should be the guy that made the add on one of those pictures held by the soldiers...

[GazB]

Very bad taste... it is good that this is being brought to their attention... the real test is what they do about it however.

"From James Bond mindlessly killing russian conscripts to such low and disgraceful marketing ploys as this, the west has long shown a disregard for the lives of russian soldiers, sometimes even revelling in their deaths."

Actually if the choice is between a credible enemy or a bunch of alcoholic incompetants as they are usually portrayed in the west... or just mafia type criminals or mindless automations, I think I'd prefer Bonds to Armageddons. Still even in the Bond movies the Russians often weren't portrayed as bad... often the blame was shifted to renegade officers like in Octapussy and Golden Eye. General Gogol actually turned into a good guy eventually. (that one... can't remember its name off hand about the British spyboat losing its encryption keypad, with Melina the diver chick and that american skater chick too. Ends up on a building at the top of a rock with the item in question being thrown off and broken... Gogol could have had bond and the others shot if he wanted to...)

[ibstolidude]

Neh, it's all in good fun...it is a freaking game...let boys play with their toys. Hell, I was told by someone that the first time he played a Novalogic game was while he was deployed in EF.

First time I played was sitting in Skopje waiting to go into Kosovo (seems like yesterday but was half a decade ago!!! - I'm getting old and going to go cry in my beer; well maybe just drink it.)
Some dude had it and linked all of our computers so we could play against each/with other... I was not a video game guy so it blew my mind.
I have not played the games really since...but from what I read about the TaskForce Dagger from their box at a electronics store; the game has some frighteningly realistic terminology and appeared situationally relevant... :|

[Bloody Creep]

I sent those idiots an EMAIL... NOTHING has come back yet... Dude this just isnt funny anymore... Some stupid ass nerd thought it would be funny to switch faces of dead soldiers into the game... I mean I love SOCOM II but i will NOT let it humiliate me dead Comrades... :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :bash: :fork: :fork: :fork: :fork: :backhand: :backhand: :backhand:

[Bloody Creep]

BTW its not an AK-47 its like a SUBMACHINE GUN version of an AKS-74U i think its like an AK-11... But seriously... Our army has been making weapons known thruout the world now coming back from a Budget Deficit... it will soon have an economy of the old SOVIET UNION... I heard that some of the contries like belarus and Ukraine are uniting with russia... and Soon... hopefully the glory of mother russian will be restored... My hopes with my country...

[Ichhabe]

I'm not shocked. Cause some companies would have collected the bones of their dead grand mothers just to earn a buck.

But it sadens me.... :|

[Tane Angle]

Oops, I made a typo Haiw, I meant to say same reaction. Sorry about that, bud.

[Kingpin]

May be i should send to author of this ad pics of dead american soldiers so he will have a chance to photoshop them into new cool ad for his magazine?

:fork:

[hank]

Great idea Kingpin. That will show them.

[army cadet_ngcsu]

I'm going to boycott that game now and encourage everyone to do the same, that is an outrage.

[usa320]

ITs gross. As is that AK-47 air gun.

[Upfrontreporting]

Sick ****s!

[RomanS]

I don't know if anyone posted this yet
But there is a petition going now

http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?donthate&51
I'm proud to see over 200 signatures ! WOW!

[earl]

This discussion is popping up at other forums I visit. One of the mods at the Operation Flashpoint forums suggested the petition. Somebody from the company said this on the magazine's forum:


As Demian explained, the people who obtained and altered the image were not aware of it's original context. We regret the oversight. Expect a printed apology in the issue after next (as the March issue has already gone to the printer).

And sadly, I agree that the artist and editor would almost certainly not have used a line of american soldiers at a rememberance ceremony.

[Undo]

This discussion is popping up at other forums I visit. One of the mods at the Operation Flashpoint forums suggested the petition. Somebody from the company said this on the magazine's forum:


As Demian explained, the people who obtained and altered the image were not aware of it's original context. We regret the oversight. Expect a printed apology in the issue after next (as the March issue has already gone to the printer).

And sadly, I agree that the artist and editor would almost certainly not have used a line of american soldiers at a rememberance ceremony.

TOTAL CRAP, this line, "As Demian explained, the people who obtained and altered the image were not aware of it's original context." How could they NOT be aware of its original content???? If they got the image from ***** Images they would have to have read the context unless they are illiterate, and they had to have put game boxes over the faces of the dead. Hell, they even left the black sash in. Sad that they are trying to cover their asses instead of coming clean. I was mildly upset before, but this REALLY irks me.

[Undo]

Here is the original which they obviously purchased from *****. Notice the usage cavieat. Now they have done something really stupid and then lied about it. The entire staff must be 13 years old, or at least the mental equivilant. Well, karma is a bitch. I just hope I am there when it comes around.

http://simondog.com/FSB/Original.jpg

[DPGLAW]

In all honesty, I do not see why people are freaking out about this, I can however understand your reasoning. I just do not believe that everyone should get all bent out of shape, it's a good ad overall. By getting all bent out of shape and starting a petition, ehich is a rather dumb and futile idea, you are doing nothing except giving the developer more advertising than they had even hoped for. Unless of course they figured the "outrage...lol" into their advertising plan. Anyhow, it is just an ad and is nto that big of a deal. This is just MY opinion and my .02 cents and all of you are certainly entitled to your opinion, which i respect. This is obviously a thread for people to give their opinion so please do not start flaming me because I think differently than you.

In defense of the company putting this game out, I am sure that the "higher-ups" were not aware of the origin of this picture because I bet the advertising dept. did not tell the whole story, there is no reason to.

[anonymous individual]

In all honesty, I do not see why people are freaking out about this, I can however understand your reasoning. I just do not believe that everyone should get all bent out of shape, it's a good ad overall. By getting all bent out of shape and starting a petition, ehich is a rather dumb and futile idea, you are doing nothing except giving the developer more advertising than they had even hoped for. Unless of course they figured the "outrage...lol" into their advertising plan. Anyhow, it is just an ad and is nto that big of a deal. This is just MY opinion and my .02 cents and all of you are certainly entitled to your opinion, which i respect. This is obviously a thread for people to give their opinion so please do not start flaming me because I think differently than you.

In defense of the company putting this game out, I am sure that the "higher-ups" were not aware of the origin of this picture because I bet the advertising dept. did not tell the whole story, there is no reason to.

I found myself stunned and unutterable by this post, as much as I did in the advertisement.

[RomanS]

same here!
WOW

[16 OBr SpN]

DPGLAW: I pity you. You have no morals, and no respect.
What a pathetic, and weak person you are.

[ArmedPacifist]

DPGLAW: I pity you. You have no morals, and no respect.
What a pathetic, and weak person you are.

I think your being a WEE bit hard on him, but I do generally agree with you.

[Undo]

In all honesty, I do not see why people are freaking out about this, I can however understand your reasoning. I just do not believe that everyone should get all bent out of shape, it's a good ad overall. By getting all bent out of shape and starting a petition, ehich is a rather dumb and futile idea, you are doing nothing except giving the developer more advertising than they had even hoped for. Unless of course they figured the "outrage...lol" into their advertising plan. Anyhow, it is just an ad and is nto that big of a deal. This is just MY opinion and my .02 cents and all of you are certainly entitled to your opinion, which i respect. This is obviously a thread for people to give their opinion so please do not start flaming me because I think differently than you.

In defense of the company putting this game out, I am sure that the "higher-ups" were not aware of the origin of this picture because I bet the advertising dept. did not tell the whole story, there is no reason to.

True, you are entitled to your opinion. However, your comments are very poorly thought out and mostly spoken from ignorance, in my opinion. Most people here have served in the military, which you have clearly not. Also, while I realize that "good ad" is completely subjective, it is NOT an ad. So you have clearly NOT read and understood the nature of what is going on here. In addition to all the other levels on which this image is offensive, this article violates the terms of usage of the original image, making it a violation of a contract.

While I don't want to flame you, my opinion is that you are not familiar with the details of what exactly is going on here and you are too immature to appreciate the nature of the offense. Please return to the EGM website and post your opinions there where like minded adolescents might agree with you.

~B

[Sierra]

Thats not right at all! I aggree. Thats very disrespectful to the dead soldiers!
RIP :(

[Falco]

Some people will stop at nothing to make a quick buck. :(

[GazB]

"May be i should send to author of this ad pics of dead american soldiers so he will have a chance to photoshop them into new cool ad for his magazine? "

I don't think stooping to their level would make anything right.

Would you really feel good about doing such a thing?

It would be easy enough... close up images of people jumping from the WTC on that terrible day just so you could say on your editorial page that your life can't be as bad as this, or images of American soldiers being dragged through the streets with a caption saying life is a drag would piss off a lot of people... and considering their lack of conscience probably not even effect those you were trying to make a point too... they would probably think that was funny too.

(Would like to appologise to any offended by my suggestions... I wouldn't actually follow through and create any of these, as that would be just as disrespectful (and more graphic) than the images in question.)


"I just do not believe that everyone should get all bent out of shape, it's a good ad overall."

Perhaps a better advert might have shown the Vietnam wall... you know... the guys who didn't have this wonderful game guide to help them... and what happened to them...

[DPGLAW]

I was not trying to say that I agree with the ad at all, all that I was saying was that the company probably was not aware of the whole story behind the ad...but nonetheless I am going to take the advice of those who posted after me and this will be the last post I make...obviously it is impossible to post something here without people junping down your throat. If someone could please post how I can delete my account I would appeciate it.

[Roger Rabbit]

your making 'ass'umptions here. Don't.

[Undo]

I just wanted to tell you that people from the following countries have expressed outrage about this incident:

Russian Federation
USA
UK
Canada
Australia
Germany
Latvia
Isreal
Ukraine
Singapore
Lithuania
The Netherlands
Sweden
France
Norway
Vietnam
Hungary
Kazakhstan
New Zealand
Denmark
Finland
Poland
Belarus
Estonia
Uzbekistan
West Indies
Belgium
Spain
Brazil
Venezuela
Romania
Italy
Hong Kong
China

The brotherhood of soldiers and the brotherhood of mankind. It makes me feel a little bit better knowing that people from so many different countries understand the meaning of Honour and Respect.

[anonymous individual]

Hopefully, this list of countries will continue to grow to furthermore strengthen the petition.

[seventy6er]

Count me in! ;)

[flickme]

This is crap.
What the hell were they thinking.

[GazB]

"obviously it is impossible to post something here without people junping down your throat. If someone could please post how I can delete my account I would appeciate it."

That is a bit drastic isn't it? In most cultures a memorial ceremony for soldiers who have died in combat is not something to make fun of. Sometimes you have to have that shoved in your face before you recognise that... note the American TV networks liked to show pictures of Iraqi captives and dead until Saddam started to do the same and they realised it wasn't a very nice thing to do. If they can make a mistake and correct it so can you. Heck you don't even need to change your opinion, but don't expect us to either... just ignore this thread and others like it.

Such forums as this are much better than most because of the variety of views and opinions.

[StarvingStudent47]

I just wanted to tell you that people from the following countries have expressed outrage about this incident:

Russian Federation
USA
UK
Canada
Australia
Germany
Latvia
Isreal
Ukraine
Singapore
Lithuania
The Netherlands
Sweden
France
Norway
Vietnam
Hungary
Kazakhstan
New Zealand
Denmark
Finland
Poland
Belarus
Estonia
Uzbekistan
West Indies
Belgium
Spain
Brazil
Venezuela
Romania
Italy
Hong Kong
China

The brotherhood of soldiers and the brotherhood of mankind. It makes me feel a little bit better knowing that people from so many different countries understand the meaning of Honour and Respect.

Here's just one more American expressing outrage at this pathetic and reprehensible publicity stunt.

[Javehn]

Крысятина

Unbellievable , that there are people in the world , that would show that kind of total disrespect to honor . You don't have to be genios to understand it's wrong , simple common sence . Law suite is the list those people deserve . I think they deserve something else .

I just now noticed that one . What there is to do , write , send ?

[tony6]

I'm not going to judge anyone but it was simply disgusting...
What can people do for a few bucks more...

[radon]

Normally i think "there are not things of which making fun is bad" . But i would not have used that image like that.:cantbeli: