Pic of Saddam dragged out of the hole

[glofs]

Saw this screenshot on a Swedish newssite, where on military.com is the real one?

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/0401/07/sadd.jpg

UPDATED: Found it, http://images.military.com/Shock/0%2c%2cSA_Saddam_040106%2c00.html - but you've got to be a member...

[Vance]

Fake. Bad Photoshop job I'd say

[Seraphim]

I saw it on the news, apparently it is real.

[ST4]

Fake. Bad Photoshop job I'd say

Thats not a fake.

[Vance]

Well, it looked fake with a small picture like that...

[ST4]

Well, it looked fake with a small picture like that...

Join military.com for free, and when you see a bigger photo of it... it is real.

[SFontaine]

http://75thrangers.us/~fontaine.s/ownzred.JPG

Here's the text that goes with it


Some background: This photograph of Saddam Hussein in the moment of his capture was emailed to me over the New Year weekend by a friend in the Special Forces community, who was damn proud of what his former colleagues in Iraq had accomplished when they pulled the dictator out of his hole. I thought the photo deserved wide dissemination, so I emailed it to my colleagues at Military.com, where I write my Black Ops column.

While the Soldiers in the field may have loved the idea of showing Saddam au naturel, not everyone felt that way. In fact, Military.com received a call from an official asking them to remove the photo for national security reasons. To me, this official was being myopic, and his perception has NOT been echoed by the guys in the trenches, who obviously know a great picture when they see one. In fact, I'd like to see this photograph posted in every public building in the U.S., so that Americans can be reminded to thank the American Soldiers who put their lives on the line every day to keep this nation safe and free. HOOAH, Army. Bravo Zulus.


-- John Weisman

[hood]

wow.

[One?]

He seems druggged..

[hood]

I moved the saddam capture album into on the public SF in Iraq space which has the various pics that we've probably all seen by now.

http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/Operation_Red_Dawn

[GI_Rutger]

Isn't John Weisman the guy that wrote together with **** Marcinko the Rogue Spear books?

[mustamato]

When those american POW´s during the war was showed on TV Rumsfeld had this to say.

"I will say this, the Geneva Convention indicates that it's not permitted to photograph and embarrass or humiliate prisoners of war, and if they do happen to be American or coalition ground forces that have been captured, the Geneva Convention indicates how they should be treated."

Hypocracy? Although it´s a nice picture. A picture to have in your album and show you children later.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

Cool.

Also check these out. Some I'd seen before, most I hadn't.

http://www.combatmedicchallenge.org/m1/saddam/saddam.html

[DownTown1]

Hood, some of those pics in 2sheds link should be put in that section as well. ;)

[Seoulstriker]

i can't believe that there is actually a photo of him from his hole. :D

[EvanL]

i can't believe that there is actually a photo of him from his hole. :D
You wanna see a photo of his hole?
You sick ****.

[Javehn]

i can't believe that there is actually a photo of him from his hole. :D
You wanna see a photo of his hole?
You sick f***.

rofl rofl rofl

[cut]

When those american POW´s during the war was showed on TV Rumsfeld had this to say.

"I will say this, the Geneva Convention indicates that it's not permitted to photograph and embarrass or humiliate prisoners of war, and if they do happen to be American or coalition ground forces that have been captured, the Geneva Convention indicates how they should be treated."

Hypocracy? Although it´s a nice picture. A picture to have in your album and show you children later.

damn paparazzis

[hood]

Mustamato: Hypocracy?

Yeah, I guess the question is, does the Geneva convention apply to heads of state who's job it is to be in the public eye, or does it have a clause excluding them from protection.

[glofs]

Also check these out. Some I'd seen before, most I hadn't.

http://www.combatmedicchallenge.org/m1/saddam/saddam.html

404 Not Found -- anyone know where to find those pics?

[hood]

Anyone have those saddam images in their browser cache and feel like sending them in? That combatmedics page doesn't seem to be up anymore.

[ibstolidude]

http://75thrangers.us/~fontaine.s/ownzred.JPG

Here's the text that goes with it


Some background: This photograph of Saddam Hussein in the moment of his capture was emailed to me over the New Year weekend by a friend in the Special Forces community, who was damn proud of what his former colleagues in Iraq had accomplished when they pulled the dictator out of his hole. I thought the photo deserved wide dissemination, so I emailed it to my colleagues at Military.com, where I write my Black Ops column.

While the Soldiers in the field may have loved the idea of showing Saddam au naturel, not everyone felt that way. In fact, Military.com received a call from an official asking them to remove the photo for national security reasons. To me, this official was being myopic, and his perception has NOT been echoed by the guys in the trenches, who obviously know a great picture when they see one. In fact, I'd like to see this photograph posted in every public building in the U.S., so that Americans can be reminded to thank the American Soldiers who put their lives on the line every day to keep this nation safe and free. HOOAH, Army. Bravo Zulus.


-- John Weisman


BTW nice pretty and clean gortex and shiny new watch; tighten the flaps around you wrists a little tighter dude. :roll:

[Argyll]

I am very sceptical of this photo,if it is indeed the real McCoy,there is one single purpose for it..........humiliation!
I have looked at this guy who's got no web gear at all,his kit is brand new,this is not typical SOF down and dirty kit.
Also there appears to be a wall behind the "clean guy",yet in other pics there was no wall apparent in daytime beside the spider hole,this looks like he's been "beaten" to the ground,the blood inside his mouth,and the cuts he recieved.
Was it not reported he emerged himself and spoke asking to make a deal,if this is not true then who is telling the truth here?If he was "roughed up" in removing him from the spider hole,then beaten to the ground,irrespective of who he was and what he did,it shows a lack of proffesionalism from the US SOF,and to allow a picture depicting him in this pose ,which is by all accounts made to look degrading,then it will only intesify the ill feeling towards the US in the ME

[Seraphim]

The spiderhole is right next to a wall.

[Argyll]

is it?
It didn't look like it in some of the other pics!

[He219]

I was unaware that it was a Special Operations capture, Argyll.

The Fourth ID was credited.

;)

[Argyll]

;) What part of the Brief did you not listen to HE219
Coalition Special Operations Forces took part in Op Red Dawn ;)

[hood]

It was the SOF guys who brought him to a chopper for evac however.

[Argyll]

Said who?
Are you seriously believing that Command would let such a HV target to be seized by a regular unit?

[Vance]

Sf got him out of the hole, this I know.

[Jack Mehoff]

When those american POW´s during the war was showed on TV Rumsfeld had this to say.

"I will say this, the Geneva Convention indicates that it's not permitted to photograph and embarrass or humiliate prisoners of war, and if they do happen to be American or coalition ground forces that have been captured, the Geneva Convention indicates how they should be treated."

Hypocracy? Although it´s a nice picture. A picture to have in your album and show you children later.

I bet my right ******** that you are the first one to demand live video of Saddam's capture and call U.S. military a liar if we just 'say' that we got Saddam

[hood]

Have a look at the album link that I posted for the full run down of how things transpired; it mentions who did what which was collected from various news outlets.

[US_Frogman]

I personally dont think he's nearly bloody enough. I have absolutely no sympathy for people like him, and I dont think that things like the laws of the Geneva Convention should be extended to him. My personal opinion is that we should give him to the Kurds and walk away from it all together. They are not bound by the Convention and can do whatever the hell they want to him to make up for all the suffering he's caused them. :-*$

[ogukuo72]

I am very sceptical of this photo,if it is indeed the real McCoy,there is one single purpose for it..........humiliation!
I have looked at this guy who's got no web gear at all,his kit is brand new,this is not typical SOF down and dirty kit.
Also there appears to be a wall behind the "clean guy",yet in other pics there was no wall apparent in daytime beside the spider hole,this looks like he's been "beaten" to the ground,the blood inside his mouth,and the cuts he recieved.
Was it not reported he emerged himself and spoke asking to make a deal,if this is not true then who is telling the truth here?If he was "roughed up" in removing him from the spider hole,then beaten to the ground,irrespective of who he was and what he did,it shows a lack of proffesionalism from the US SOF,and to allow a picture depicting him in this pose ,which is by all accounts made to look degrading,then it will only intesify the ill feeling towards the US in the ME

The man holding Saddam seems to be wearing some sort of parka or over coat over his bullet-proof vest. Perhaps his web gear is underneath the parka?

[Sierra]

wow thats a great pic!

Stupid Saddam! :bash:

[Deuterium]

Sf got him out of the hole, this I know.

Yup....

[SFontaine]

More photos here:

http://www.yeamanconsulting.com/reddawn/

[hood]

shock and awe... that one of him in the chair is drop dead hilarious.

[Jack Mehoff]

awwwww.....i love the internet and personal digital cameras, and these pictures already spread around cyberspace like wild fire.

[hood]

http://poor_yurik.shackspace.com/yurik-mcsaddam.jpg

[Chris196]

Notice in the bottom left corner is a rail section from a Knights Armament MRE forearm, exactly as was seen at the top of the TF20 photo here:




GRAPHIC PHOTO
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/task_force_20_removes_bodies_of_oday_and_qusay/aac?full=1

[SFontaine]

shock and awe... that one of him in the chair is drop dead hilarious.

Haha! Imagine being one of the soldiers capturing him, and being in that room with him alone for a second.
I'd be like "awwkkwwarrrddd"

[DE_Six]

It's only a guess, but I think it's quite possible the guy holding Saddam down on the picture is a member of the Iraqi police or security forces of some kind. He looks middle-eastern enough, has shiny new US-made Goretex and a shiny watch...in any case, definitely not an SOF soldier. I also doubt a member of the Special Forces (or whatever outfit was actually there) would pose for this kind of pic, exposing his identity. Everybody talks about OPSEC all the time for the sake of the operators' security, the last thing to do would be to expose oneself to all those who'd like to avenge Saddam...But an Iraqi, who has suffered under the Baathist regime, a member of the new security forces...he might want that kind of "trophy".

Just a thought.