shocking leftists teachers

[Dennis G]

www.moveon.org/
http://www.bushin30seconds.org/


A local liberal teacher is now using this website not officialy using as classroom materal but is pushing his students to use this site to create projects of this type. He is as well Trying to get Moore's book DWMC and when his new bull**** book Fahrenheit 911 comes out as required reading for his class. Teachers are to play the role of devils advocate and let the students decide. But this man fills kids heads with garbage.


This Video ARMY OF ONE is another shocking advert produced by Michael Stinson--He made a video comparing Bush to Hitler

http://www.bushin30seconds.org/

[ChuckThunder]

www.moveon.org/
http://www.bushin30seconds.org/


A local liberal teacher is now using this website not officialy using as classroom materal but is pushing his students to use this site to create projects of this type. He is as well Trying to get Moore's book DWMC and when his new bull**** book Fahrenheit 911 comes out as required reading for his class. Teachers are to play the role of devils advocate and let the students decide. But this man fills kids heads with garbage.


This Video ARMY OF ONE is another shocking advert produced by Michael Stinson--He made a video comparing Bush to Hitler

http://www.bushin30seconds.org/

What a joke. Is this teacher at a public school?

[Guttorm]

This Video ARMY OF ONE is another shocking advert produced by Michael Stinson--He made a video comparing Bush to Hitler

Well, I'm not saying that I agree, but jsut as a fun fact, thay actually made a test, where thay had several statements made by Hitler and bush, and people where supposed to say who said who, and most people thought what bush said, was something said by Hitler. :)

[Beowulf]

The 15 finalists for Bush in 30 Seconds are posted below. The winning commercial will be announced at an event on January 12th at the Hammerstein Ballroom in New York City. You can buy tickets online now.

The finalists are also being sent out to our panel of celebrity judges which includes Michael Moore, Donna Brazile, Jack Black, Janeane Garofalo, Margaret Cho and Gus Van Sant. These judges will determine which ad wins the contest overall.

Jack Black??!!! Noooooooooo! Tenacious D rocks....why'd he have to go do that.

Oh and that's a real list of winners btw....

-B

[Salty Dog]

those **** bags, they sure do appreciate things.

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

Maybe its just me but I find Janeane Garofalo kinda cute, she can judge me anyday the little minx that she is. :D

[WARPIG]

People do stupid things for attention. Being liberal as a young adult is expected. But as a person leading young minds.. that is just liable.
I like the comedy of Genine, Margaret, Jack.. etc. But when they start pushing their political liberalism.. well it is just a cry for attention and material for their act. Think any of them were well adjusted people before celebrity?
Poking fun at the Prez is a tradition. Old news.

[duck]

In the other corner there are people like Toby Keith who make loads of money from Patriotic feeling. If Gore would have been elected Keith would be the "Green Country singer" by now. Is it better to be biased or have no opinion at all while counting the cash?

[Jack Mehoff]

In the other corner there are people like Toby Keith who make loads of money from Patriotic feeling. If Gore would have been elected Keith would be the "Green Country singer" by now. Is it better to be biased or have no opinion at all while counting the cash?

What is patriotic have anything to do with political affiliation?

[cut]

teachers are leftist like soldiers are conservative. it's just expected


n.b.: Not all teachers are lefties and not all soldiers are conservative:

[duck]

Just watch the coming GOP commercials and you'll see... ;)

[cut]

GOP?

[Tane Angle]

GOP stands for Grand Old Party (another name for the Republican Party). I don't agree with the teacher at all, but here's something that occurred to me: If the teacher had made comments to the direct opposite side, very conservative and pro-Bush, would it be different? Just wondering if it works both ways. Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

[WARPIG]

Public school teacher.. government salary... bad mouthing the Prez... bad joo-joo.
Private school teacher... teaching personal political views... expected.

Everyone has the right to do so either way. The right to be patriotic or to be an ass. Patriotism in a public school is a common thing. Uncle Sam pays, we show our appreciation and support. Don't teach religion, or talk politics in the school. Patriotism and politics are two different things by the way. Funny how many people don't get that.

[Seoulstriker]

If the teacher had made comments to the direct opposite side, very conservative and pro-Bush, would it be different?

you mean would it be different if the teacher advocated bombing abortion clinics? no. is it different if it is pro-bush/pro-USA? yes: schools among other things are supposed to encourage civics: teaching students to hate their country is not the purpose of schooling. :|

[Jack Mehoff]

Why can't PUBLIC school teachers let the students decide from themself instead of forced feeding their own personal agenda?

[Jack Mehoff]

Patriotism and politics are two different things by the way. Funny how many people don't get that.

[SOG]

my teachers pounded it in my head to vote and to care and basically make a difference, sometimes they would outline current social problems like medical care, social security, but they never once pointed there finger or put there problems on me, unforteantly outside of that, ive seen many teachers who almost rant about thier political problems to thier students and dont use the history book at all. "improvised learning". the teachers find they can mould a impressionable mind better than a educated college persons.

of course its always fun when said student goes home and tells parents who have different views and they go screaming into the school demanding death for someone brainwashing thier kid other than them. ho hum.

shut the **** up, teach em, and go home, you overated baby sitters.

[farmgirl]

my teachers pounded it in my head to vote and to care and basically make a difference, sometimes they would outline current social problems like medical care, social security, but they never once pointed there finger or put there problems on me, unforteantly outside of that, ive seen many teachers who almost rant about thier political problems to thier students and dont use the history book at all. "improvised learning". the teachers find they can mould a impressionable mind better than a educated college persons.

of course its always fun when said student goes home and tells parents who have different views and they go screaming into the school demanding death for someone brainwashing thier kid other than them. ho hum.

shut the f*** up, teach em, and go home, you overated baby sitters.


Overrated baby sitters? You've got to be kidding me. Teaching is a profession that truly requires a commitment both to subject area and to students. I certainly don't do it for the money. If I divided out what I make per hour, I would probably cry. Hell, I don't even get paid as well as a baby sitter. We're also REQUIRED to have continuing education hours to remain certified, yet we are also required to pay for said classes ourselves. (how many fortune 500 hundred companies require their employees to pay for their own continuing ed classes?)
I'm not complaining. I went into education with my eyes wide open. I quit a job making $60K a year to teach. It is that important to me that I try to make a difference in the lives of even a few students.
While not all teachers are good teachers, many are, and it is they who should earn your respect.
In your post you refer to the fact that your teachers did not push their views on you. Instead, they encouraged you to become an active member of society and form your own opinions.
Because some teachers have and push their own agendas, does not make it acceptable for you to lambast the entire profession. Of which, I am a proud member.

[farmgirl]

I Am A Teacher
John W. Schlatter


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I am a Teacher.
I was born the first moment that a question leaped from the mouth
of a child.
I have been many people in many places.
I am Socrates exciting the youth of Athens to discover new ideas
through the use of questions.
I am Anne Sullivan tapping out the secrets of the universe
into the outstretched hand of Helen Keller.
I am Aesop and Hans Christian Andersen revealing truth
through countless stories.
I am Marva Collins fighting for every child's right to an education.
The names of those who have practiced my profession ring like a hall
of fame for humanity...Booker T. Washington, Buddha, Confucius, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Leo Buscaglia, Moses and Jesus.
I am also those whose names and faces have long been forgotten
but whose lessons and character will always be remembered in the accomplishments of their students.
I have wept for joy at the weddings of former students, laughed with
glee at the birth of their children and stood with head bowed in grief and confusion by graves dug too soon for bodies far too young.
Throughout the course of a day I have been called upon to be an
actor, friend, nurse and doctor, coach, finder of lost articles, money lender, taxi driver, psychologist, substitute parent, salesman, politician and a keeper of the faith.
Despite the maps, charts, formulas, verbs, stories and books, I have
really had nothing to teach, for my students really have only themselves to learn, and I know it takes the whole world to tell you who you are.
I am a paradox. I speak loudest when I listen the most. My greatest
gifts are in what I am willing to appreciatively receive from my students.
Material wealth is not one of my goals, but I am a full-time treasure
seeker in my quest for new opportunities for my students to use their talents and in my constant search for those talents that sometimes lie buried in self-defeat.
I am the most fortunate of all who labor.
A doctor is allowed to usher life into the world in one magic moment.
I am allowed to see that life is reborn each day with new questions, ideas and friendships.
An architect knows that if he builds with care, his structure may stand
for centuries. A teacher knows that if he builds with love and truth, what he builds will last forever.
I am a warrior, daily doing battle against peer pressure, negativity,
fear, conformity, prejudice, ignorance and apathy: But I have great allies: Intelligence, Curiosity, Parental Support, Individuality, Creativity, Faith, Love and Laughter all rush to my banner with indomitable support.
And who do I have to thank for this wonderful life I am so fortunate
to experience, but you the public, the parents. For you have done me the great honor to entrust to me your greatest contribution to eternity, your children.
And so I have a past that is rich in memories. I have a present
that is challenging, adventurous and fun because I am allowed to spend my days with the future.

I am a teacher...and I thank God for it every day.

[Jack Mehoff]

http://www.evemag.com/issue10/graphics/defense.jpg

[Dennis G]

Thought I would get back to you guys sorry I have been very busy.

Yes this teacher is in a public school. I have met him once and a parent teacher conference (My son is in his tolerance class—teaches you to be kind and how to respect gays and minority groups.) He seemed like a nice guy but as soon as I walked into his class I am bombarded with these poster Let me tell you about three of them (The bigger more noticeable) A Moore poster that has him pulling down the statue of Bush, One is of a KKK member with a rope and a saying that reads “this is white pride”. Last one of bush just with some bad remarks. I’m sitting there listing to this guy go on about how he is going to give the kids new “Mental Filters” about viewing the world. I look over at my wife she knows what I’m thinking she just puts her finger to her mouth and tells me not to open mine. By the way I never said a word not a one.


GOP stands for Grand Old Party (another name for the Republican Party). I don't agree with the teacher at all, but here's something that occurred to me: If the teacher had made comments to the direct opposite side, very conservative and pro-Bush, would it be different? Just wondering if it works both ways. Have a good one, and just some thoughts...

I see what you’re saying if the teacher would have made conservative or pro-bush comments I would not have been as pissed but I still stick to a teacher should be neutral and let the kids decide. Least of all show & teach disrespect to their country and President I personally respect a president no matter the party Democrat or Republican I show respect to the Chief of Tribe, The man in Charge, The Head Honcho you know what I mean. As long as my rights as an American Citizen are protected. I think that George Bush has been dealt an amazingly heavy hand of cards here, and I think he’s doing his best. Yes Bush has a few bugs in the system but we all do we are only HUMAN!


you mean would it be different if the teacher advocated bombing abortion clinics? no. is it different if it is pro-bush/pro-USA? yes: schools among other things are supposed to encourage civics: teaching students to hate their country is not the purpose of schooling.


By the way did anyone watch that Army of One Video--The way they show that wounded soldier :(--Make my blood boil

[SOG]

Overrated baby sitters? You've got to be kidding me.

overated and overpaid. half of em dont give a **** about what there doing, they fell into teaching as a default and are ****ing boring. they could care less about making learning interesting or dont have the talent to do so.

throughout highschool i have to say i loved a few of my teachers and thier passion and caring, and the rest were as dull and boring as a white wall.


Teaching is a profession that truly requires a commitment both to subject area and to students.

yes and thats why so many teachers are dead on dreary and suck because they lack commitment and or passion. those who CANT, teach, those who CAN, do both. the fact is there are alot of teachers dumped through college who couldnt hack it in the real world and fall back on thier credentials as a fail safe.


I certainly don't do it for the money. If I divided out what I make per hour, I would probably cry. Hell, I don't even get paid as well as a baby sitter.

uhmmmm im guessing your either full of crap or you teach in a private school in which case i admire focused enviormental learning at the cost of lost pay and benefits.

my moms a teacher, she gets medical insurance as cheap as hell and as a teacher with decent seniority clears over 20$ a hour. to compare a teachers aid clears 14 a hour after ten years. thats more per hour for a teacher than many in the graphics industry, mechanical industry, health industry, and the military and that pay can get you by comfortably in any big city specially with a spouse or signifigant other.

from what i understand different counties pay out differently but it equals out in regards to location.



We're also REQUIRED to have continuing education hours to remain certified, yet we are also required to pay for said classes ourselves. (how many fortune 500 hundred companies require their employees to pay for their own continuing ed classes?)

fortune 500 comps make money so in turn they can spend money whereas most school districts are over budget and failing repairs thus you have to fork over the money rightly. straight up, for the collective sum of teachers, you seem to be touting this magical mystical teachers that inspires all to be the best they can be. while there are some teachers like this many simply take it as a job and collect on it.


I'm not complaining. I went into education with my eyes wide open. I quit a job making $60K a year to teach. It is that important to me that I try to make a difference in the lives of even a few students.

well thats great you followed a passion instead the root of all evil. in regards you sound like a teacher that id remember fondly through life as a encouraging figure, unlike 75% of the others i encountered who were simply doing thier job, which in turn there is nothing wrong with that but at its base makes it akin to any other job.


While not all teachers are good teachers, many are, and it is they who should earn your respect.

6 have throughout my entire life for caring about me, pushing me, and inspiring me by being so passionate. however comparing that to the end number of teachers who have taught me that is sadly a low number. like i said, to many, its just a job. like any other. you could walk up to anybody and say the same thing and youd get some zealot in turn who enjoys what they do and defends it profusely, but on the back end most jobs are aquired because people fell into a industry, or didnt know what to do or didnt care. some even were really into thier jobs at 1st and that fascination/love has faded.



In your post you refer to the fact that your teachers did not push their views on you. Instead, they encouraged you to become an active member of society and form your own opinions.

yes, good teachers.


Because some teachers have and push their own agendas, does not make it acceptable for you to lambast the entire profession.

i did not lambast all teachers, i did not include all teachers, just because i was being general in regards to my comment doesnt mean you can direct and mis-use my intention. just because america does something and everyone has thier own take on why, what, how, america did, is each interpretation in turn correct?

why would i say i had a few killer teachers then say something sorude about them? what was the forum topic about? Ahole teachers. what teachers did i have a prob with? Ahole teachers. what was my last comment about? Ahole teachers. why would i say ive had really great teachers then blast a statement like that to them? i respect them and never would. gee, wonder what teachers that was directed to? genius.



Of which, I am a proud member.

really?

straight up i have acknowledged great teachers but we all know to most its a job, to some its a political recuit ground, and what really bugs me is how all these teachers "who really care" can go on strikes for more money and beneifts and actually play the students against the system like thier jobs mean everything to our future. its about the kids, always the kids.

my mom used to pick me up from school everyday after working with kiddies all day and she never had a overly negative thing to say about the students, it was always the TEACHERS. they just didnt give a damn. it was the teachers who just fed the kids whatever daily crap theyll never remember or use in life and get em out of the room. half the teachers either wanted out and didnt want to put the time in to get out of teaching or the rest were in a rut and fell back on teaching. subsequently my mom is great friends with the really good teachers even after moving to new schools to work. a hand full of them.

so yes, the fact is most teachers are overpaid babysitters. it is a middle compensation comparing the worth of the good in thier profession against the numbers of the average. just like any job. and yes i do think its sad there is no system in place to further really good teachers but such a system would be hotly debated and subject to abuse. the fact is if you look at what the average teacher does thier pay does not add up. it is the teachers like you (i assume) that actually make the $20+ a hour seem worthwhile.

[farmgirl]

SOG,
I don't have time this evening to respond to everything that you wrote. I have to write a semester test for my English Literature class.
I would be thrilled to make $20 an hour. The fact is.... I'm a starting teacher, and in my (public) district. I make just under $24,000 a year. (I also get my (single) health insurance. I purchase health insurance for my kids outside the school, because it's so expensive to get it through the school.)

I get to school at 7:30am, and I leave (usually) around 5pm. (That's if I don't have students staying later than that who need help) I come home and grade papers, study and write lesson plans and then I squeeze in some time for my own kids and housework. After my kids go to bed, I grade some more papers. Now granted, I'm an English teacher, and the paper glut is sometimes overwhelming, and that is more intense for me than many other teachers. On weekends, I'm grading papers and studying.... and going to the school to work in my room and put grades on the computer. If I divided out how many hours I spend each week.... (including breaks... ha... what breaks?) I would make pennies per hour. Like I said.... I'm not complaining about that. I made the choice, because I knew that I could be a good teacher. I am a good teacher. There are waiting lists for my classes. I do make a difference. I'm not saying these things to sound conceited. It's a fact. I do what I do, because I want to be one of those teachers that kids remember.

I'm not debating that there aren't people teaching who shouldn't be teaching. That's a fact... as in any profession. However, in my experience, many, if not most, are professionals who have the best interests of their students at heart. (I come from a teaching family, and have a lot of experience in working with teachers and students even though I'm a beginning teacher)
I'm sorry that you haven't had a lot of good teachers. I've been fortunate in my life. The teachers that I've had have been, for the most part, great.

I'll respond to your other contentions tomorrow. I've got more papers to grade and a test to write. :)

[NcDeuce]

Yeah, the teachers here don't get paid much either. Public school makes more money then private schools around here. My old private prep school paid the teachers poorly, it was pathetic...one of my closest friends has a mom that teaches there...the only reason is so her children can get a discount on the private school's tuition.

[Trigger]

Well, being married to a middle school teacher, I can attest to what farmgirl has posted. As far as pushing kids to be their best, teachers are damned if they do and damned if they don't. They have been burdened and blamed for everything that has gone wrong in the classroom but have been literally castrated when it comes to exercising any form of discipline. They are indeed as underpaid as any soldier.

SOG, I'm sure you're speaking from your own experiences, but until you spend some time in the trenches you will not understand the problem.

On the topic of crappy teachers: I've seen a few lately that walk around with anti-Bush T-shirts on at school, and won't hesitate to have a shouting match about how bad the President is or how everything is his fault.
If these are their opinions, they are entitled to them. When they bring that crap to work and push it on the kids however, they are crossing the line.
Just my 2 pesos.

[NcDeuce]

few lately that walk around with anti-Bush T-shirts

There were a couple liberal teachers at my old school...the art teacher and the music teacher. rofl

We had a psycho ex-75th combat veteran as a history teacher, wrestling fanatic Infantry man, and a dozen or more had husbands who were stationed at Campbell so it was a fairly conservative enviroment.

[Nawlins]

SOG, just because you've had a few ****ty teachers DOES NOT mean all teachers are ****ty. I've had the good fortune to have some excellent and inspiring teachers. They work hard and they don't get nearly enough reward or respect for what they do. And too often, bad parents expect teachers to do their jobs for them... that's too much responsibility and they don't have the authority to do it anyway. I have alot of respect for teachers; I don't think I could handle the pressure and responsibility and criticism they have to put up with all the time.

I do think sometimes they take advantage of their influence, like these liberal teachers who are forcing their agenda, but that's a minority.

[Haiw]

I Am A Teacher
John W. Schlatter


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

I am a Teacher.
I was born the first moment that a question leaped from the mouth
of a child.
I have been many people in many places.
I am Socrates exciting the youth of Athens to discover new ideas
through the use of questions.
I am Anne Sullivan tapping out the secrets of the universe
into the outstretched hand of Helen Keller.
I am Aesop and Hans Christian Andersen revealing truth
through countless stories.
I am Marva Collins fighting for every child's right to an education.
The names of those who have practiced my profession ring like a hall
of fame for humanity...Booker T. Washington, Buddha, Confucius, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Leo Buscaglia, Moses and Jesus.
I am also those whose names and faces have long been forgotten
but whose lessons and character will always be remembered in the accomplishments of their students.
I have wept for joy at the weddings of former students, laughed with
glee at the birth of their children and stood with head bowed in grief and confusion by graves dug too soon for bodies far too young.
Throughout the course of a day I have been called upon to be an
actor, friend, nurse and doctor, coach, finder of lost articles, money lender, taxi driver, psychologist, substitute parent, salesman, politician and a keeper of the faith.
Despite the maps, charts, formulas, verbs, stories and books, I have
really had nothing to teach, for my students really have only themselves to learn, and I know it takes the whole world to tell you who you are.
I am a paradox. I speak loudest when I listen the most. My greatest
gifts are in what I am willing to appreciatively receive from my students.
Material wealth is not one of my goals, but I am a full-time treasure
seeker in my quest for new opportunities for my students to use their talents and in my constant search for those talents that sometimes lie buried in self-defeat.
I am the most fortunate of all who labor.
A doctor is allowed to usher life into the world in one magic moment.
I am allowed to see that life is reborn each day with new questions, ideas and friendships.
An architect knows that if he builds with care, his structure may stand
for centuries. A teacher knows that if he builds with love and truth, what he builds will last forever.
I am a warrior, daily doing battle against peer pressure, negativity,
fear, conformity, prejudice, ignorance and apathy: But I have great allies: Intelligence, Curiosity, Parental Support, Individuality, Creativity, Faith, Love and Laughter all rush to my banner with indomitable support.
And who do I have to thank for this wonderful life I am so fortunate
to experience, but you the public, the parents. For you have done me the great honor to entrust to me your greatest contribution to eternity, your children.
And so I have a past that is rich in memories. I have a present
that is challenging, adventurous and fun because I am allowed to spend my days with the future.

I am a teacher...and I thank God for it every day.

This is my teacher.
There are many like it, but this one is mine.
My teacher is my best friend.
It is my life.
I must master it as I master my life.

etc. etc.

FMJ is just so useable.. :)

[SOG]

SOG, just because you've had a few ****ty teachers DOES NOT mean all teachers are ****ty. I've had the good fortune to have some excellent and inspiring teachers. They work hard and they don't get nearly enough reward or respect for what they do. And too often, bad parents expect teachers to do their jobs for them... that's too much responsibility and they don't have the authority to do it anyway. I have alot of respect for teachers; I don't think I could handle the pressure and responsibility and criticism they have to put up with all the time.

I do think sometimes they take advantage of their influence, like these liberal teachers who are forcing their agenda, but that's a minority.

nawlins please quote what i say? i never said i had ****ty teachers, i said i had boring teachers, doesnt mean they didnt do thier job. knowheres does it say teachers have to be exciting and inspire thier students. you have to know what your teaching and make sure most of the kids understand it. thats it. and again i stated in last post being a "standard" teacher is FINE thier is NOTHING wrong with doing your job to the LETTER.

i dont consider someone who does thier job "****ty" i consider them normal. maybe where you work everyone has to go above and beyond to really succeed so your used to hard core commitment but the real world funtions off normal folks putting in thier 8-5 without a wink and going home.

literally when it comes down to the plus 50 teachers ive had through grade school, jr high, two high schools and college, in well over 50 of them id say only two i could think of had enough of a problem teaching and explaining the courses to the students that they werent cutting thier jobs as teachers. the rest, simply did thier jobs. aint nuthin wrong with that but again sitting around and teaching kids base boring concepts in a very flat way IMO doesnt warrant some of the teachers paychecks after theyve been doing it for ten years and its just a daily routine. its sad when the teachers aids have more enthusiasm then a teacher which is the case alot of times. and like i said before the teachers that do inspire make it worthwhile and should get paid more.

[SOG]

SOG,
I don't have time this evening to respond to everything that you wrote. I have to write a semester test for my English Literature class.

yah i think for highschool (im not sure what grade/s you teach) is probably one of the most reading intensive teacher jobs for correcting papers. not a whole lot of yes and no or black and white answers. not to mention english, bravo=passion. also my fav teacher. i couldnt give a **** about what she was teaching, she was just so into it, it brought me along wether i wanted to be or not. something about true believers thats quite scary.



I would be thrilled to make $20 an hour. The fact is.... I'm a starting teacher, and in my (public) district. I make just under $24,000 a year. (I also get my (single) health insurance. I purchase health insurance for my kids outside the school, because it's so expensive to get it through the school.)

well it also depends on where you are. cities always pay out more, thats because the cost of living is much more, if your out in the mid west or a "sleepy" state you will always pull in less but your cost of living is also down by a 3rd with property taxes and vehicle insurances not to mention food and gas. in the end if your in a public school youll be pulling in much more than alot of the US. also if your hubby is MIL or DOD then thats a decent plan for medical or it was when i was a kid, if not then you fork over 180 for two kids a month here in the city. an adult costs 120 through kaiser a month, then again maybe your medical tastes arent as cheap as mine.


I get to school at 7:30am, and I leave (usually) around 5pm. (That's if I don't have students staying later than that who need help) I come home and grade papers, study and write lesson plans and then I squeeze in some time for my own kids and housework. After my kids go to bed, I grade some more papers. Now granted, I'm an English teacher, and the paper glut is sometimes overwhelming, and that is more intense for me than many other teachers. On weekends, I'm grading papers and studying.... and going to the school to work in my room and put grades on the computer.

its a total bitch to start at 1st, i remember my mom not so fondly when she started over 20 years ago. the good news is pending how smart your school is things actually get much easier. almost every school here has teachers aids, that work a few hours in many classrooms each day, which translates to a few hours less of paperwork or giving the teachers aid experience in actual teaching, and the teacher sits back and does papers while the aid teaches.

also on the side you can have students who have free periods to become teachers aids also, from getting photo copies to doing straight forward grading.

on the side of that there is even a program now which lets at home parents help out a couple days a week in thier kids classroom or school although granted this is more of a grade school program as no one wants thier mommy around in junior high.



If I divided out how many hours I spend each week.... (including breaks... ha... what breaks?) I would make pennies per hour. Like I said.... I'm not complaining about that. I made the choice, because I knew that I could be a good teacher. I am a good teacher. There are waiting lists for my classes. I do make a difference. I'm not saying these things to sound conceited. It's a fact. I do what I do, because I want to be one of those teachers that kids remember.

kudos, you will be. look at your effect here :)



I'm sorry that you haven't had a lot of good teachers.

im not because the normal teacher just makes the good ones look that much better and stand out so much better. its like in any industry worldwide where you have titans, movers and shakers, then you have the norm.




I'll respond to your other contentions tomorrow. I've got more papers to grade and a test to write. :)

yuck, have fun :)

[California Joe]

SOG, she doesn't have time to be sweet to me on the internet AND argue with you. Quit it. Jeez. ;)

[SOG]

:oops: :roll: :hug:

[ogukuo72]

Looks like it's the same all over the world. I've got friends in the teaching profession as well. As usual, they are overworked, with each teacher to a class of 30-40. And they get no respect from the parents, the students, the school adminstration, etc..

However, I'm glad to say that they are paid better than I am, even with my vocation and hazard pay included. In fact, the entry level pay for a teacher is better than the entry level pay for a lawyer! (Of course, after that, the lawyer's pay increase much faster than a teacher's.)

I think teaching is a calling. Not everyone can do it. If I have to face a room full of 30 to 40 screaming kids ... well, I'll rather take a bullet.

[farmgirl]

Okay SOG... I'm done. :)
I've cooled down, and I don't feel the need to write about this anymore. I think we're actually in agreement here. I just needed you to clarify. As long as you weren't talking about all teachers, then I'm cool with that. I agree that there are bad teachers out there. Heck, one bad teacher is one too many, but I know a lot of really dedicated, hard working, professionals.

I work hard, but every minute I spend is worth it. I made 2.5 times more money when I worked in sales, but I'm not going to change anyone's life by selling them a sofa. I hope I can, influence, if not change the lives of a few of my students along the way.

*rant over*

;) :hug:

[StarvingStudent47]

SOG,
I don't have time this evening to respond to everything that you wrote. I have to write a semester test for my English Literature class.
I would be thrilled to make $20 an hour. The fact is.... I'm a starting teacher, and in my (public) district. I make just under $24,000 a year. (I also get my (single) health insurance. I purchase health insurance for my kids outside the school, because it's so expensive to get it through the school.)

I get to school at 7:30am, and I leave (usually) around 5pm. (That's if I don't have students staying later than that who need help) I come home and grade papers, study and write lesson plans and then I squeeze in some time for my own kids and housework. After my kids go to bed, I grade some more papers. Now granted, I'm an English teacher, and the paper glut is sometimes overwhelming, and that is more intense for me than many other teachers. On weekends, I'm grading papers and studying.... and going to the school to work in my room and put grades on the computer. If I divided out how many hours I spend each week.... (including breaks... ha... what breaks?) I would make pennies per hour. Like I said.... I'm not complaining about that. I made the choice, because I knew that I could be a good teacher. I am a good teacher. There are waiting lists for my classes. I do make a difference. I'm not saying these things to sound conceited. It's a fact. I do what I do, because I want to be one of those teachers that kids remember.

I'm not debating that there aren't people teaching who shouldn't be teaching. That's a fact... as in any profession. However, in my experience, many, if not most, are professionals who have the best interests of their students at heart. (I come from a teaching family, and have a lot of experience in working with teachers and students even though I'm a beginning teacher)
I'm sorry that you haven't had a lot of good teachers. I've been fortunate in my life. The teachers that I've had have been, for the most part, great.

I'll respond to your other contentions tomorrow. I've got more papers to grade and a test to write. :)

Just for the record, teachers effing rock and I've always supported the people who have the guts to become educators in the public schoolsystem, despite the abysmal pay :)

Anyway, Farmgirl, if you're ever tired of having to defend what you do for a living, and you'd rather someone else take the flak for a while, you could always let it slip what *I'm* gonna do in 2.5 more years... :)

[farmgirl]

SOG,
I don't have time this evening to respond to everything that you wrote. I have to write a semester test for my English Literature class.
I would be thrilled to make $20 an hour. The fact is.... I'm a starting teacher, and in my (public) district. I make just under $24,000 a year. (I also get my (single) health insurance. I purchase health insurance for my kids outside the school, because it's so expensive to get it through the school.)

I get to school at 7:30am, and I leave (usually) around 5pm. (That's if I don't have students staying later than that who need help) I come home and grade papers, study and write lesson plans and then I squeeze in some time for my own kids and housework. After my kids go to bed, I grade some more papers. Now granted, I'm an English teacher, and the paper glut is sometimes overwhelming, and that is more intense for me than many other teachers. On weekends, I'm grading papers and studying.... and going to the school to work in my room and put grades on the computer. If I divided out how many hours I spend each week.... (including breaks... ha... what breaks?) I would make pennies per hour. Like I said.... I'm not complaining about that. I made the choice, because I knew that I could be a good teacher. I am a good teacher. There are waiting lists for my classes. I do make a difference. I'm not saying these things to sound conceited. It's a fact. I do what I do, because I want to be one of those teachers that kids remember.

I'm not debating that there aren't people teaching who shouldn't be teaching. That's a fact... as in any profession. However, in my experience, many, if not most, are professionals who have the best interests of their students at heart. (I come from a teaching family, and have a lot of experience in working with teachers and students even though I'm a beginning teacher)
I'm sorry that you haven't had a lot of good teachers. I've been fortunate in my life. The teachers that I've had have been, for the most part, great.

I'll respond to your other contentions tomorrow. I've got more papers to grade and a test to write. :)

Just for the record, teachers effing rock and I've always supported the people who have the guts to become educators in the public schoolsystem, despite the abysmal pay :)

Anyway, Farmgirl, if you're ever tired of having to defend what you do for a living, and you'd rather someone else take the flak for a while, you could always let it slip what *I'm* gonna do in 2.5 more years... :)

That's great! What do you want to teach?

[StarvingStudent47]

Anyway, Farmgirl, if you're ever tired of having to defend what you do for a living, and you'd rather someone else take the flak for a while, you could always let it slip what *I'm* gonna do in 2.5 more years... :)

That's great! What do you want to teach?

Actually I'm not going into teaching, I just respect teachers. The good ones, at least, and there's more good ones out there than many people admit. Right now I'm going to school to become something that begins with an "L" and ands with an "-awyer" and is generally hated more than terrorists and child-molesters combined...

[farmgirl]

Anyway, Farmgirl, if you're ever tired of having to defend what you do for a living, and you'd rather someone else take the flak for a while, you could always let it slip what *I'm* gonna do in 2.5 more years... :)

That's great! What do you want to teach?

Actually I'm not going into teaching, I just respect teachers. The good ones, at least, and there's more good ones out there than many people admit. Right now I'm going to school to become something that begins with an "L" and ands with an "-awyer" and is generally hated more than terrorists and child-molesters combined...



ahhhh I see. I'm not of the opinion that the only good lawyer is a dead lawyer. I think we need good lawyers; just like we need good teachers. I'm sure you'll be a good one. Good luck with that. :)

[Nawlins]

I've known a few great lawyers who were also good people... we need more of those. Good luck, man.

[StarvingStudent47]

I've known a few great lawyers who were also good people... we need more of those. Good luck, man.

Thanks!

The way I see it, the bad reputation lawyers have is a temporary problem, and it's not universal--it's just that the bad ones get all the press (same with bad cops, same with doctors who malpractice, etc). But there's actually a long and distinguished history of great people who were also great lawyers. Thomas Jefferson. Daniel Webster. Abraham Lincoln. Mohandas Gandhi. Franklin Roosevelt. Robert Kennedy. I'm hoping that with time, the legal community can overcome the negative stigma created by folks like Johnny Cochran, and return to our roots.

[Roger Rabbit]

Theres a longer history of people who help dumb fat schmucks sue McDonalds and such not. Remember Crime doesnt benefit anyone, except lawyers.

I'm just messing with you, i'm sure theres a good lawyer out there somewhere.