gun manufacturers

[memphiz]

should gun manufacturers be held responsible for wrongful deaths (with there weapon)?

say what you think,and give reason why you chose your answer

[gaz]

Should the manufacturers of your computer be held accountable for stupid questions you ask on the internet?

[memphiz]

hey i dont wanna get bashed here im just curios, the question came up at my school, and i got pissed off when people said that they should be held responsible

[EvanL]

hey i dont wanna get bashed here im just curios, the question came up at my school, and i got pissed off when people said that they should be held responsible
Your from Alberta right?
ANd they got mad about that?
Wow i sense the apocalypse coming.

[memphiz]

no im from bc

[gaz]

Sorry if I sounded harsh but you see my point? Colt or Smith and Wesson have never actually forced anyone to buy, borrow or steal one of their guns for the purpose of committing a crime. That kind of reasoning is up there with fat bastards sueing McDonalds for having the gaul to sell them 17 cheeseburgers a day.

[EvanL]

no im from bc
Still man, i take it your from the interior. Its like a way of life out there.
Anyways to not stray from the topic, i do not think that manufacturers should be held responsible for the actions that people who buy their products do. If that was the case the parents of criminals should all be arrested

[California Joe]

Never.

When a gun fires a projectile it is functioning as intended. Period. It is doing what it was designed to do. If an idiot happens to point it at a neighbor when it goes off, the idiot is responsible. Simple logic really.

[memphiz]

yeh np i see what your saying, i just find it stupid how people can say that a gun manufacturer can be held responsible for a wrongful death...like seriously thats what the gun is designed to do

[ChuckThunder]

should gun manufacturers be held responsible for wrongful deaths (with there weapon)?

say what you think,and give reason why you chose your answer

No way! Unless the gun had a problem with it and it wasn't the shooters fault. There aren't many guns that have that problem...

[ßå$tĮТHÏ¿ð]

Its the person who pulls the trigger that is responsible for were that bullet flys.

Unless of course it can be provide within a shadow of a doubt that the gun malfunctioned ;)

[James]

If I stabbed somebody in the neck with a Bic pen, should Bic be held responsible? I don't think so, but that's just my opinion.

A firearm is just a piece of steel and wood or plastic. Until a person touches it, it is harmless.

[Guttorm]

A firearm is just a piece of steel and wood or plastic. Until a person touches it, it is harmless.

It's still harmless after you touch it... You need to put ammo in it... Just sayin'...

:P

[TriggerPuller]

Seems like personal responsibilities for ones actions has gone out the window these days. Excuses excuses it's the freaking Twinkie syndrome.

TP

[Trigger]

I hold Trigger Puller responsible for any firearms deaths.

[Haiw]

"Guns don't kill people? It's a natural fact, bullets kill people!"
The ammo manufacturers should be blamed... ;)

[Trigger]

"Guns don't kill people...I do!"—TriggerPuller :D

[ChuckThunder]

If I stabbed somebody in the neck with a Bic pen, should Bic be held responsible? I don't think so, but that's just my opinion.

A firearm is just a piece of steel and wood or plastic. Until a person touches it, it is harmless.

Have you actually done that? I did it to a friend on accident in 6th or 7th grade... he was fine since it was more of a poke. :D

[TriggerPuller]

"Guns don't kill people...I do!"—TriggerPuller :DTrigger, If I bash your head in with my firearm am I still responsible? I never made that quote.....well at least not here on MP.net.

TP

[TriggerPuller]

If I stabbed somebody in the neck with a Bic pen, should Bic be held responsible? I don't think so, but that's just my opinion.

A firearm is just a piece of steel and wood or plastic. Until a person touches it, it is harmless.

Have you actually done that? I did it to a friend on accident in 6th or 7th grade... he was fine since it was more of a poke. :D I stabbed my cousin in the thigh with a pen in 7th grade. Jesus that was a bloody mess. He still has a huge scar where the stitches were. He still brings it up when I see him, I just look at him and laugh and say hey better you than me jackass!!!

TP

[Trigger]

"Guns don't kill people...I do!"—TriggerPuller :DTrigger, If I bash your head in with my firearm am I still responsible? I never made that quote.....well at least not here on MP.net.

TP
Hell yeah you're responsible...and damn frugal for not wasting a bullet on me. ;)

[California Joe]

He's the worst cousin ever.

[TriggerPuller]

He's the worst cousin ever. Me? if yes hey man I had to defend myself. Family or not you attack me game on!

TP

[California Joe]

Well you didn't specify you'd been attacked.

I shot my brother.

Ok I didn't really. ;)

Well I did with a BB gun several times. He pissed me off.

I hit a kid with a bike chain too.

I'm bad like that.

[Haiw]

I hit a kid with a bike chain too.
Your daughter after she hit you in the neck? ;)

[TriggerPuller]

Well you didn't specify you'd been attacked.

I shot my brother.

Ok I didn't really. ;)

Well I did with a BB gun several times. He pissed me off.

I hit a kid with a bike chain too.

I'm bad like that. me and my cousins use to have BB and pellet gun fights in my Grandmothers back yard. just T-shirts and pants no protective gear. I think this is what got me wanting to be in the Military.
As for hitting people with inanimate objects the best one is when I hit this MOFO over the head with my skateboard, the problem was that I was in college at the time on campus. Needless to say I was disqualified(expelled) from the University. I can tell you this though the dude never mouthed off to me again. Surprise,speed and violence of action baby!!!!

TP

[farmgirl]

I hit a kid with a bike chain too.
Your daughter after she hit you in the neck? ;)



yeah.... he's tough too..... :bash:

my brothers used to shoot me with BB guns.... till I kicked the snot out of them..... p-)

[TriggerPuller]

I hit a kid with a bike chain too.
Your daughter after she hit you in the neck? ;)



yeah.... he's tough too..... :bash:

my brothers used to shoot me with BB guns.... till I kicked the snot out of them..... p-)I like you more and more everyday!

TP

[farmgirl]

I hit a kid with a bike chain too.
Your daughter after she hit you in the neck? ;)



yeah.... he's tough too..... :bash:

my brothers used to shoot me with BB guns.... till I kicked the snot out of them..... p-)I like you more and more everyday!

TP :hug:

[James]

If I stabbed somebody in the neck with a Bic pen, should Bic be held responsible? I don't think so, but that's just my opinion.

A firearm is just a piece of steel and wood or plastic. Until a person touches it, it is harmless.

Have you actually done that? I did it to a friend on accident in 6th or 7th grade... he was fine since it was more of a poke. :D

I have not, but I have an imagination. I like fine roller ball pens more than regular ball points. Roller ball pens are very pointy.

[Roger Rabbit]

This one time at band camp...

I hit someone over the head with a chair. They had stiches, it was all fairly amusing, didnt stop them from being the biggest ***** lover since Elton John though.

[hank]

Memphiz - what kind of responsibility are you referring to? Like in a lawsuit?

I have not seen anyone say that companies like Ruger, S&W, etc. should be responsible for deaths resulting from firearms. I don't think they should be responsible and I don't think any of them ever have been held responsible. If you have any specifics please pass them on.

What I have seen are plaintiffs who say that companies that market their guns as "gangsta" or in other ways to appeal to criminals should take some repsonsibility when criminals use them for crimes. I don't know if I agree, but I can understand how a jury of twelve would find for a plaintiff who can show this marketing material and then show that the shooter used the gun in accordance with the marketing.

The other suits that I have seen, and the lead case is still pending to my knowledge, is against "knock-off" manufacturers, i.e. "saturday night specials", who sell their guns only in areas around Chicago (or other places with more-restrictve handgun laws) and tell dealers how to get around straw-man purchaser problems. Again, I don't know if I agree that the manufacturer should be responsible, but if a marketing style attempts to attract criminals and succeeds then I understand sympathetic juries.

In a later post you said that this topic came up in school. Make sure when a teacher or anyone else tells you that "someone is trying to make gun mfgs responsible" that they give you details. I keep up to some degree with products liability litigation trends and the issue is hardly decided.

The media is horribly inaccurate in reporting what actually happens in litigation. A perfect example is that way the McDonald's coffee case was reported and what actually happened to the woman who got coffee spilled in her lap. The incomplete reporting sold more papers than the complete account b/c it outraged a segment of the population. Reporting that a gun mfg is laible will sell papers/magazines - but that don't make it so. Also rememebr that the gun lobby/NRA will fight this like hell in the courts/legislature- and they don't lose often.

Another one of the main reasons that I think it is unlikely that Ruger, S&W, etc. (+ other reputable manufacturers) will not be found liable in the long run is as someone else said - their guns work as intended. These mfgs also limit their marketing and don't target criminals. Anyway, sorry if I missed the mark on what your teacher told you.

hank

[James]

A number of American cities have tried to sue various gun manufacturers as a way to recoup the cost of medical care provided at public expense to victims of illegal gun use. Most, if not all of these cases, were thrown out by various judges. It is very much like the post I made earlier - Bic getting sued because someone uses a Bic pen to stab someone else. Where will it end?

[memphiz]

Memphiz - what kind of responsibility are you referring to? Like in a lawsuit?

I have not seen anyone say that companies like Ruger, S&W, etc. should be responsible for deaths resulting from firearms. I don't think they should be responsible and I don't think any of them ever have been held responsible. If you have any specifics please pass them on.

What I have seen are plaintiffs who say that companies that market their guns as "gangsta" or in other ways to appeal to criminals should take some repsonsibility when criminals use them for crimes. I don't know if I agree, but I can understand how a jury of twelve would find for a plaintiff who can show this marketing material and then show that the shooter used the gun in accordance with the marketing.

The other suits that I have seen, and the lead case is still pending to my knowledge, is against "knock-off" manufacturers, i.e. "saturday night specials", who sell their guns only in areas around Chicago (or other places with more-restrictve handgun laws) and tell dealers how to get around straw-man purchaser problems. Again, I don't know if I agree that the manufacturer should be responsible, but if a marketing style attempts to attract criminals and succeeds then I understand sympathetic juries.

In a later post you said that this topic came up in school. Make sure when a teacher or anyone else tells you that "someone is trying to make gun mfgs responsible" that they give you details. I keep up to some degree with products liability litigation trends and the issue is hardly decided.

The media is horribly inaccurate in reporting what actually happens in litigation. A perfect example is that way the McDonald's coffee case was reported and what actually happened to the woman who got coffee spilled in her lap. The incomplete reporting sold more papers than the complete account b/c it outraged a segment of the population. Reporting that a gun mfg is laible will sell papers/magazines - but that don't make it so. Also rememebr that the gun lobby/NRA will fight this like hell in the courts/legislature- and they don't lose often.

Another one of the main reasons that I think it is unlikely that Ruger, S&W, etc. (+ other reputable manufacturers) will not be found liable in the long run is as someone else said - their guns work as intended. These mfgs also limit their marketing and don't target criminals. Anyway, sorry if I missed the mark on what your teacher told you.

hank
yes i was talking about a lawsuit, and i think you are very right, good reply :)

[EvanL]

Memphiz - what kind of responsibility are you referring to? Like in a lawsuit?

I have not seen anyone say that companies like Ruger, S&W, etc. should be responsible for deaths resulting from firearms. I don't think they should be responsible and I don't think any of them ever have been held responsible. If you have any specifics please pass them on.

What I have seen are plaintiffs who say that companies that market their guns as "gangsta" or in other ways to appeal to criminals should take some repsonsibility when criminals use them for crimes. I don't know if I agree, but I can understand how a jury of twelve would find for a plaintiff who can show this marketing material and then show that the shooter used the gun in accordance with the marketing.

The other suits that I have seen, and the lead case is still pending to my knowledge, is against "knock-off" manufacturers, i.e. "saturday night specials", who sell their guns only in areas around Chicago (or other places with more-restrictve handgun laws) and tell dealers how to get around straw-man purchaser problems. Again, I don't know if I agree that the manufacturer should be responsible, but if a marketing style attempts to attract criminals and succeeds then I understand sympathetic juries.

In a later post you said that this topic came up in school. Make sure when a teacher or anyone else tells you that "someone is trying to make gun mfgs responsible" that they give you details. I keep up to some degree with products liability litigation trends and the issue is hardly decided.

The media is horribly inaccurate in reporting what actually happens in litigation. A perfect example is that way the McDonald's coffee case was reported and what actually happened to the woman who got coffee spilled in her lap. The incomplete reporting sold more papers than the complete account b/c it outraged a segment of the population. Reporting that a gun mfg is laible will sell papers/magazines - but that don't make it so. Also rememebr that the gun lobby/NRA will fight this like hell in the courts/legislature- and they don't lose often.

Another one of the main reasons that I think it is unlikely that Ruger, S&W, etc. (+ other reputable manufacturers) will not be found liable in the long run is as someone else said - their guns work as intended. These mfgs also limit their marketing and don't target criminals. Anyway, sorry if I missed the mark on what your teacher told you.

hank
yes i was talking about a lawsuit, and i think you are very right, good reply :)
I think this is a good topic. It could do with another round.

[memphiz]

Evan your a tard

[Geezah]

should gun manufacturers be held responsible for wrongful deaths (with there weapon)?

say what you think,and give reason why you chose your answer

Should car manufacturers be held responsible for hit and runs or should alcohol companies be held responsible for deaths caused by drink drivers or should lawn mower companies be held responsible for the amount of deaths that are caused by mowers seeing as that number far exceeds deaths by firearms or how about death by Doctor, the list goes on and on.
Currently it's the left that's trying to paint firearms as some evil power well maybe they should wake up and realize it's the fact that I own firearms that secures my home and family plus the fact we have 2 Rotts also ;)

[gaz]

Should the manufacturers of your computer be held accountable for stupid questions you ask on the internet?

I don't actually remember writing that but I'm glad that I did.