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07-11-2005, 03:49 PM
I love that tank, best one ever :)

07-11-2005, 03:53 PM
I love that tank, best one ever :)

I think the Panther was cooler and more advanced ;)


07-11-2005, 03:56 PM
I love that tank, best one ever :)

I think the Panther was cooler and more advanced ;)

...i like both... ;)

07-11-2005, 06:18 PM
This one took some damage - I'm not sure of the history of the vehicle or if the penetrations were achieved in combat or the test range.

On display in Lenino-Snegiri (near Moscow).



Kubinka's Tiger I



If that's the number "100" Tiger - that's the very first Tiger ever deployed, bogged down in the mud and bitterly contested until the Soviets got the upper hand. It's certainly painted as a later war Tiger belonging to the sPzAbt 505, however the Tiger captured in August of '42 near Leningrad would have belonged to sPzAbt 502 "Mammut"...

There are different sources, that state that two "Tigers" appeared in Kubinka at the second half of the 1942 - one, left completely intact and another, providing valueble balistic tests for finding out the weak spots in the armor.

07-11-2005, 06:48 PM
One of my favorite German tanks has to be the "Tiger II" with Porsche turret.

07-11-2005, 07:15 PM
My favorite German tank of WWII:

Modified with Pz-III cupola


Straight out, T-34-76 Model '41


T-34-76 Model '42


FlakPanzer T-34(r)


Come to think of it - the best German tank of the WWII p-)

But not to stray from the subject:


Marshal Zhukov, inspecting the first captured Tiger I Fhrul production belonging to the "Mammut" in Aug '42

07-11-2005, 07:22 PM
StukaJr, thanks a lot for the information, I had no idea as to why there were two types but now atleast I do, that is one hell of a flaw too even though it was a brilliant design.

07-11-2005, 07:36 PM
StukaJr, thanks a lot for the information, I had no idea as to why there were two types but now atleast I do, that is one hell of a flaw too even though it was a brilliant design.

It appears that Henshell had a lot of favorites in the higher ups, which could be an explanation for the Porsche's designs always given a red flag. Tiger II(P) has similar engine disposition to that of the Merkava tank.

VK4502(P) (Turm Vorne)



Source for the model and the author:

VK4501(P) (Turm Hinten)


A good article on creation of PzKmpfWgn VI Tiger II Ausf. B can be found here:


Together with a lot of other useful info.

07-11-2005, 08:00 PM
Nice pics

07-11-2005, 08:51 PM
Soviets caught 10 or so Tiger B's (production models) in an ambush in the first enagement in Poland, August 10th 1944. It's worth mentioning that 20 Tiger B's set out in the initial attack, 10 of which broke down after less then 20km march.

If you read Russian:

Soviets tested the 2 of the Tiger B's:


Some rough translation from ВАЛЕРИЙ ПОТАПОВ's article

It took two captured vehicles to build one opperational. The cooling system could not cope with 30 degree Celcius temperatures, different breakdowns, track tenshion having to be regulated every 10-15 km, Not to mention tracks snapping on turns. The actual fuel expendature happened to be 900 liters for 80 kilometers (700 as noted in the manual)



And After:


Number 25 is SU-100's AP round, number 23 is 88mm from 400 meters - hits on the turret front. The 88mm exited through the rear of the turret.


Exit hole in the rear of the turret


Chassis frontal plate - 100mm and 122mm AP from 1000 - 1500 meters


122mm AP from 1500 meters, some kind of "sharp tip" SABOT round...


122mm HE round, cracks the side of the turret


Special notes:

Seams broke and cracks formed in the frontal body armor plate from partial penetrations by 3-4 100mm, 122mm and 152mm AP or HE rounds, breaking the transmission and disabling the vehicle. (from ranges of 500m -1000m)

Hits from 100mm and 122mm on the seams of the frontal body plates, resulted in complete penetration at distance of 500 - 600m

Hits from 100mm and 122mm on the front of the turret achieve complete penetration at 500m - 1000m.

Side of the body and turret are penetrated by American 76mm and Soviet 85mm at ranges of 800m - 2000m. It is noted, that American 76mm has 1.5-2 times the range to the Soviet 85mm, probably due to the supperiority of ammo.

Soviet 76mm from Zis-3 and F-34 could not penetrate side armor or the turret. (This is weird, since half of the tanks in the ambush were the T-34-76's).

The tests noted the lower quality to the armor composite as compared to the Tiger I, Panther and Ferdinand tanks. There was a high descrepency in the quality of the frontal armor from the side and rear armor.

And from "Death Traps" by Belton Y. Cooper, one can gather that the seams were of a lot poorer quality - I don't know the technical terminology, but there were quite a few corners cut during production...