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duck
01-08-2004, 09:46 PM
Finally. I know a few people lining up for the Mars Mission and have to give a big thumbs up for the Bush Administration.

"Bush to Announce Missions to Mars, Moon

By SCOTT LINDLAW, Associated Press Writer

WASHINGTON - President Bush (news - web sites) will announce plans next week to send Americans to Mars and establish a permanent human presence on the moon, senior administration officials said Thursday night.

Bush won't propose sending Americans to Mars anytime soon; rather, he envisions preparing for the mission more than a decade from now, one official said.


In addition to a returning trip to the moon for the first time since December 1972, the president also wants to build a permanent space station there.


Three senior officials said Bush wants to aggressively reinvigorate the space program, which has been demoralized by a series of setbacks, including the space shuttle disaster last February that killed seven astronauts.


The officials, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Bush's announcement would come in the middle of next week.


Bush has been expected to propose a bold new space mission in an effort to rally Americans around a unifying theme as he campaigns for re-election.


Many insiders had speculated he might set forth goals at the 100th anniversary of the Wright brothers' famed flight last month in North Carolina. Instead, he said only that America would continue to lead the world in aviation.


Earlier, White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters traveling with Bush in Florida that the president would make an announcement about space next week, but he declined to give details.


House Science Committee spokeswoman Heidi Tringe said lawmakers on the panel "haven't been briefed on the specifics" but expected an announcement.


Rep. Ralph Hall, R-Texas, a member of the House Science Committee, said he welcomed the move because he has tried to get the president more interested in space exploration.


"I had the feeling the last 2 1/2 years people would rather make a trip to the grocery store than a trip to the moon because of the economy," Hall said. "As things are turning around, we need to stay in touch with space" and the science spinoffs it provides.


This week, NASA (news - web sites) landed a six-wheeled robot on Mars to study the planet. However, the Spirit rover is stuck because the air bags that cushioned its landing are obstructing its movement.


Asked Wednesday whether the success of the Mars rovers could lead to a human mission to Mars, NASA Administrator Sean O'Keefe said, "The rovers are a precursor mission — kind of an advance team — to figuring out what the conditions are on the planet, and once we figure out how to deal with the human effects, we can then send humans to explore in real time."


While answering questions on the White House Web site, O'Keefe said interplanetary exploration depends on "what we learn and whether we can develop the power and ... propulsion capabilities necessary to get there faster and stay longer and potentially support humans in doing so."


No one, least of all members of Congress, knows how NASA would pay for lunar camps or Mars expeditions. The last time a president pushed such ambitious ideas — the first President Bush on the 20th anniversary of the first manned moon landing — the estimated price tag was $400 billion to $500 billion.


The moon is just three days away while Mars is at least six months away, and the lunar surface therefore could be a safe place to shake out Martian equipment. Observatories also could be built on the moon, and mining camps could be set up to gather helium-3 for conversion into fuel for use back on Earth.


House Majority Leader Tom DeLay, R-Texas, among others, has called for an expansion of the U.S. space program, including a return to the moon. The United States put 12 men on the moon between July 1969 and December 1972.





An interagency task force led by Vice President **** Cheney (news - web sites) has been considering options for a space mission since summer.

Former Ohio Sen. John Glenn, the first American to orbit the Earth, has said that before deciding to race off to the moon or Mars, the nation needs to complete the international space station and provide the taxi service to accommodate a full crew of six or seven. The station currently houses two.

At the same time, Glenn has said, NASA could be laying out a long-term plan, setting a loose timetable and investing in the engineering challenges of sending people to Mars. The only sensible reason for going to the moon first, he says, would be to test the technology for a Mars trip. "

EvanL
01-08-2004, 09:49 PM
i hope this doesnt mean the moon is harbouring terrorists. ;)

Ratamacue
01-08-2004, 10:01 PM
Didn't you know that China is sending all their WMD to the moon? ;)

Vance
01-08-2004, 10:06 PM
General: ''Sir, are you suggesting we blow up the moon?''


President: ''Would you miss it?! Would you miss it?!''

Ballistic
01-09-2004, 12:13 AM
It's about time. He certainly left alot of poeple in the lurch after not announcing anything late last year. Fantastic news (if it all happens !). Finally NASA can get back to it's roots and do what it's meant to do. I'm so excited about this. NASA needed a goal, and its got one now. Obviously people will think it's a waste of money and time, I disagree completely. It's a mission to reinvigorate a dwindling American space program, to learn more about our region of space our Solar System, development faster and better propulsion systems for quicker and safer trips to other planets/moons, develop means of supporting missions to the Moon and Mars (and beyond) to make those going self sufficient and so much more. It's an exciting time for space enthusiast's. Best of luck to NASA. But I do believe this should be an international effort, not just US/NASA, the more people/nations involved the better.

Seiyuuki
01-09-2004, 02:12 AM
Considering a trip to Mars originating from the moon would probably be less costly and more effective than a trip to Mars originating from Earth.

Shake n Bake
01-09-2004, 02:19 AM
i hope this doesnt mean the moon is harbouring terrorists. ;)

Har har har It was funny for about the the first 336737 times



Why are you kanadians so lame? Is it scurvy or something?

stuntman
01-09-2004, 03:10 AM
i hope this doesnt mean the moon is harbouring terrorists. ;)

Har har har It was funny for about the the first 336737 times



Why are you kanadians so lame? Is it scurvy or something?
No there lame just like there hockey skills! :P :P :P

Tane Angle
01-09-2004, 09:45 AM
True, Seiyuuki, a ship of that size would have to be built in parts in orbit, or perhaps on the moon. I was reading about a theory about building a "space elevator" made from nanotubes. It would be built by crawlers that made their way from the base station to the orbiting satellite on the end of the initial string, and at the end would attach to the end, making it even more stable. I read that it would lower the cost of putting pounds in space several thousands times. Not a bad deal, if the theory works. Have a good one, just some thoughts...

2Sheds_Jackson
01-09-2004, 11:09 AM
General: ''Sir, are you suggesting we blow up the moon?''


President: ''Would you miss it?! Would you miss it?!''

rofl

But seriously folks, it's a great thing.

I for one always thought if you want a presense in space, build a base on the Moon, not an orbiting station. If you drop a wrench, you'll at least know were to look for it.

Plus, we can start building that cool directed energy beam thing to provide power to the earth. And as a bonus, we can re-aim it to incinerate whatever nation has angered us that week.

Mars is a tougher nut to crack. It will cost big money to get there. Once there we can put up a big "IN YOUR FACE" sign in Chinese so it's visible from Earth.

Rantanplan
01-09-2004, 11:20 AM
True, Seiyuuki, a ship of that size would have to be built in parts in orbit, or perhaps on the moon. I was reading about a theory about building a "space elevator" made from nanotubes. It would be built by crawlers that made their way from the base station to the orbiting satellite on the end of the initial string, and at the end would attach to the end, making it even more stable. I read that it would lower the cost of putting pounds in space several thousands times. Not a bad deal, if the theory works. Have a good one, just some thoughts...

Pah, I saw this already in Star Trek :D

He219
01-09-2004, 11:48 AM
Finally. I have to give a big thumbs up for the Bush Administration.
I thought I'd never see the day!
;)


Using the Moon as a launching point is simple Physics. Earth's Gravitational pull serves to act as an accelerant to 'Slingshot' a mission to Mars. A deep-space vessel would be built within Earth's Orbit for practicality of construction and supply of equipment.

The limiting factors to construct any celestial outpost will be the supply of material resources, given the task of moving the 'freight'. Much research has been done to utilize indigenous materials. If water/ice can be found on Mars then a HUGE hurdle can be overcome.

The real difficulty will be in the duration of the voyages and Man's ability to mitigate bone loss due to exposure in micro-gravity - yet alone the TRILLION DOLLARS it will take to get there. The technology we already have.


Just my .02
:D

Seoulstriker
01-09-2004, 12:00 PM
It's about time. He certainly left alot of poeple in the lurch after not announcing anything late last year. Fantastic news (if it all happens !). Finally NASA can get back to it's roots and do what it's meant to do. I'm so excited about this. NASA needed a goal, and its got one now. Obviously people will think it's a waste of money and time, I disagree completely. It's a mission to reinvigorate a dwindling American space program, to learn more about our region of space our Solar System, development faster and better propulsion systems for quicker and safer trips to other planets/moons, develop means of supporting missions to the Moon and Mars (and beyond) to make those going self sufficient and so much more. It's an exciting time for space enthusiast's. Best of luck to NASA. But I do believe this should be an international effort, not just US/NASA, the more people/nations involved the better.

that's exactly what i was thinking! :hug:

i'm really sick of the termination of moon landings. i'm wondering how nice the moon would be for a permanent base: no wind, low gravity (at least there is gravity ;) ). why didn't they think of it before?

i'm really excited. i have no idea when they are thinking about going to mars, though. that would require an extraordinary amount of fuel to go there and back, though. :|

Herrmannek
01-09-2004, 12:05 PM
http://www.startrek.pl/res/dbbig/tabliczki/enta.jpg

pAt
01-09-2004, 12:17 PM
i hope this doesnt mean the moon is harbouring terrorists. ;)

Har har har It was funny for about the the first 336737 times



Why are you kanadians so lame? Is it scurvy or something?
No there lame just like there hockey skills! :P :P :P


i hope you were joking about the comment, seeing that Canada has the best NHL players. anyways lets not start another whos better at hockey type thread. thats a good plan to have something on the moon maybe in a few hundrand years we'd(humans) be liveing on the moon!

Argyll
01-09-2004, 12:18 PM
Bush might announce it but maybe in 5 years time the next lot in office might just say keep the money and make the Country safer and better instead of blowing it into space?

Rantanplan
01-09-2004, 12:26 PM
http://www.startrek.pl/res/dbbig/tabliczki/enta.jpg

"Second Starship to bear the Name"

Bull****! Its the fourth Starship with this Name :lol:

Argyll
01-09-2004, 12:33 PM
I thought the Registry was NCC-1701
NCC-1701-A(StarTrek-Kirk)
NCC-1701-B(Generations)
NCC-1701-C(Next Generation-Picard)
NCC-1701-D(Generations)
NCC-1701-E (First Contact)

Which then makes that 6 not 4 ?


***Edit*** all wrong!!
http://www.starfleetarchive.com/ships/?NAME=Enterprise

Herrmannek
01-09-2004, 12:41 PM
http://cartoons.sev.com.au/archives/s671.jpg

Rantanplan
01-09-2004, 12:56 PM
1 Spaceshuttle Enterprise

http://spaceflightnow.com/news/n0208/11alt/enterprise.jpg

2 Enterprise NX-01, NX Prototype Class

http://www.linkandpinhobbies.com/Graphics/STREK-nx-01.jpg

3 USS Enterprise NCC-1701, Starship Class

http://www.lcarscom.net/fsd/enterprise/1701/ent-1.jpg

4 USS Enterprise NCC-1701, Constitution Refit Class

http://www.cs.umanitoba.ca/~djc/startrek/pics/EntA-Kbop.gif

5 USS Enterprise NCC-1701-A, Constitution Refit Class

http://www.cs.umanitoba.ca/~djc/startrek/pics/ncc1701a.gif

Rantanplan
01-09-2004, 01:06 PM
Hmmm.... Nr.5?

Arghh..... damn Star Trek!!!!! :bash:

Argyll
01-09-2004, 01:08 PM
I told you already we're both wrong look at the link mate! ;)
Besides the Shuttle was NOT a starship !!.........cheater!

SOG
01-09-2004, 05:13 PM
Bush might announce it but maybe in 5 years time the next lot in office might just say keep the money and make the Country safer and better instead of blowing it into space?

yah, more or less what i was thinking, dont get me wrong, space gives me zero gravity wood, (i still cant believe the mars rover) but that much money could be more practically spent i think in light of current affairs. id say research without actually spending cash on products yet might be the way to go so when were ready we can.

StarvingStudent47
01-10-2004, 03:51 AM
Man, I thought I was a dork after a couple Lord of the Rings discussions, but y'all just leave me in the dust. Star Trek?

The Walrus
01-10-2004, 06:06 AM
This thing has a strong sense of déja-vu, remember when Bush snr. promised a manned mission to mars?
This thing smacks heavily of Bush hankering for a 'Kennedy moment' and pre-election propaganda, I have heavy doubts over Bush's intention to follow this thing through, also the insurmountable cost of this whole thing wouldn't sound good for congress who want to cut the deficit.

Shadow
01-10-2004, 09:44 AM
Wow this is the first time Mr.Bush is doing something right!
Building a scientific base on moon is much better than playing war.

Rantanplan
01-10-2004, 10:08 AM
Wow this is the first time Mr.Bush is doing something right!
Building a scientific base on moon is much better than playing war.


Hey don't mess with the international wargaming association !!! :bash: ;)