China plays the nuke card

[Fee Fi Fo Fum]

Top Chinese general warns US over attack


China is prepared to use nuclear weapons against the US if it is attacked by Washington during a confrontation over Taiwan, a Chinese general said on Thursday.

“If the Americans draw their missiles and position-guided ammunition on to the target zone on China's territory, I think we will have to respond with nuclear weapons,” said General Zhu Chenghu.

Gen Zhu was speaking at a function for foreign journalists organised, in part, by the Chinese government. He added that China's definition of its territory included warships and aircraft.



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[JTAR7242]

Besides, we can look at it this way. The US will reduce our stock of nuclear weapons and make the peaceniks happy, solve some of the problems of overpopulation in the world, conserve precious non-renewable resources, and eliminate the only nation on earth who could be a serious threat. And all over some tiny nation that makes DVD players.

Sure the heat spike over China might adversely affect the rate of global warming but the overall reduction in fossil fuel used by a billion people should level that out in a year or two.

Seems like win-win to me. ;)



Honestly, this sounds like an awful lot of saber rattling to me.

[joshfox0]

ah ah ah dont forget this though. wipe out china and who will sell the local populace their pirated DVDs

[Midav]

I don't think anyone's stupid enough to use nukes.

It's also what..?

200 to 7500? Not a good idea.

[Abolith]

I don't think anyone's stupid enough to use nukes.

It's also what..?

200 to 7500? Not a good idea.


Strategic Nuclear Weapons: 7,300

Nonstrategic Nuclear Weapons: 4,700 - 11,700 (based on released classified docs; estimated tactical and nuclear reserves)

Total Nuclear Weapons: 12,000-19,000

[Laworkerbee]

I don't think anyone's stupid enough to use nukes.

It's also what..?

200 to 7500? Not a good idea.


Strategic Nuclear Weapons: 7,300

Nonstrategic Nuclear Weapons: 4,700-11,700

Total Nuclear Weapons: 12,000-19,000

Well I know my city is on the PRC's target list so you bitches better avenge me! p-)

[JTAR7242]

Hell no. I'm throwing a party when Los Angeles goes up in smoke.

[Midav]

Approx. 4500 weapons

http://www.cdi.org/issues/nukef&f/database/usnukes.html

Many missiles have more than one warhead, so the number of warheads would probably come to roughly come between 7500-9000.

Here's some more:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/nuclear-intro.htm

[Abolith]

Approx. 4500 weapons

http://www.cdi.org/issues/nukef&f/database/usnukes.html

Many missiles have more than one warhead, so the number of warheads would probably come to roughly come between 7500-9000.

Here's some more:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/systems/nuclear-intro.htm


I should have broken those numbers down a bit more. :oops:

the 9K are stategic weapons. such as the Tident D-5II, ready to go at a moments notice

the Tactial weapons are things like nuclear Gravity bombs (W-87 mkII). Most of those are in the Nuclear emergency reserves and would take some time to get out and ready. thats why it jumps to about 19000.

the ready to go weapon systems are at around 9K like you said.
sorry for the confusion. :oops:

[Laworkerbee]

Hell no. I'm throwing a party when Los Angeles goes up in smoke.

Um your in San Diego Brotha!, your think you and that nice big navy base are noy going to end up as one big smoking hole in the ground. Hell where will you get your **** man!

[Laworkerbee]

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[Laworkerbee]

OMG! can someone delete these duplicates! :oops:

[Michael RVR]

I don't think anyone's stupid enough to use nukes.

It's also what..?

200 to 7500? Not a good idea.

It doesn't matter if you have enough to turn their country into a parking lot 10 times over.

A parking lot is a parking lot, 7500 is still overkill.

Sabre rattling yes, but would you bet 50 million people (more, probably) that they're not that crazy?

[SOG]

what i still dont understand is that a country so big wants a land so tiny so badly. truly wild. risking nuclear war because someone else may try and defend the isle? crazy. then again if the US backs down and does nothing that gives china much incentive over future dealings to do what it wants and threaten nukes. call thier game, im bored. god nuclear war would be horrible.

[usa320]

what i still dont understand is that a country so big wants a land so tiny so badly

taiwan has superior technology, and a pretty decent economy. Thats probably part of it.

[Rifleman]

Posturing, thats all.

[replay]

If China blanketed the U.S. with nukes, we're out 300 million Americans? If we returned the gift in kind, they're out several billion Chinese? Sounds like a good trade to me.

All this for something as stupid as trying to take a little piece of land called Taiwan. In the process of reuniting "our people", they cause genocide on a global scale. Great logic.

[seruriermarshal]

will prepare ourselves for the destruction of all of the cities east of Xian. Of course the Americans will have to be prepared that hundreds . . . of cities will be destroyed by the Chinese.”

Crazy , if use nukes , just all of the cities east of Xian destroyed ? U.S. have enough nukes destroy World .

:roll:

[HooyahCQB]

I'd rather not joke about a subject such as this, but we sure as hell can buy our teddy bears someplace else after China is gone.

[stuntman]

I'm sorry but the chinease must be chest beating. Because if they are serious I am sure we (US) have better first strike capability but we would still lose millions of people. China is bluffing!

[Aerosoul]

No, they're gonna launch tomorrow. Nice knowing you guys.

[seruriermarshal]

I'm sorry but the chinease must be chest beating. Because if they are serious I am sure we (US) have better first strike capability but we would still lose millions of people. China is bluffing!

But don't forgot Korea .

[joshfox0]

well i've just realised that if china go it will solve much of the unemployment issues in africa! lets do it! woot

[dacanadianbomb]

Sabre rattle in aisle 3 please.
I think they know exactly what would happen.
Nobody is going to push the button, with the exception of Nkorea possibly if he gets any more crazy than he already is.

[Jakkech]

Don't know is China insane enough to use nukes, but if they do and strike first I think that all other countries that have some nuclear capability won't stand still and wait for the winner. So my guess is that china's going to be left as burning pit of radiation. :|

[Thor]

I for one think Bush is the wrong guy to try to play out the nuclear card against..

[sp2c]

talk is cheap

China is not going to risk nuclear war over Taiwan, this is politics at its best (worst?) they're just trying to keep their own people 'happy' ... look at how powerfull we are, we are threathening the US so we must be doing something right, right?'

[boulderbum]

If this whole thing ends up heating up, any possibility the Chinese would get pissed their government is using their lives to try to get Taiwan, possibly overthrow?
Hm, stupid thought, the government probably doesn't even let them know there's a world outside of China.

And so we raise the BS flag.

[duck]

what i still dont understand is that a country so big wants a land so tiny so badly. truly wild. risking nuclear war because someone else may try and defend the isle? crazy. then again if the US backs down and does nothing that gives china much incentive over future dealings to do what it wants and threaten nukes. call thier game, im bored. god nuclear war would be horrible.

Well, how about returning Southern California to Mexico? Or at least let Mexican troops patrol San Diego and LA?

[WARPIG]

Well, I think the consensus is that China is just trying to use the big boy voice to try and get some respect. Even with the sheer size of the PRC
Army, most people don't see them as a peer to the US. I don't really think China is that worked up about Taiwan, but letting the round eyes in the US have any say so in their dealings with the little country is just going to agitate the Chinese. It doesn't matter if we are the bigger dog. Bush needs to be careful of two things: don't make the PRC feel cornered or threatened, and don't make the Chinese lose face.

[Miles.]

Well, I think the consensus is that China is just trying to use the big boy voice to try and get some respect. Even with the sheer size of the PRC
Army, most people don't see them as a peer to the US. I don't really think China is that worked up about Taiwan, but letting the round eyes in the US have any say so in their dealings with the little country is just going to agitate the Chinese. It doesn't matter if we are the bigger dog. Bush needs to be careful of two things: don't make the PRC feel cornered or threatened, and don't make the Chinese lose face.

Looks like they don't need any help. :lol:

It's 2005, and the ChiComs are threatening nukes over the US? rofl These guys want their own personal cold war, because they missed out on the superpower status. They think a superpower is a nation that can blow the whole world up. But face it, China has no ideology that can be spread to other nations. Therefore, it's not close to being influential, and will never be a superpower. This Chinese general is pathetic.

[demotivater]

This is one thing that scares the crap out of me. So, is this China building up to an invasion of Taiwan? Basically saying the US can't intervene at all, otherwise the nukes will fly? Or is it just a load of crap? And, knowing the Chinese rhetoric, would the US respond if China invades Taiwan?

[DPGLAW]

Besides, we can look at it this way. The US will reduce our stock of nuclear weapons and make the peaceniks happy, solve some of the problems of overpopulation in the world, conserve precious non-renewable resources, and eliminate the only nation on earth who could be a serious threat. And all over some tiny nation that makes DVD players.

Sure the heat spike over China might adversely affect the rate of global warming but the overall reduction in fossil fuel used by a billion people should level that out in a year or two.

Seems like win-win to me. ;)

LoL...All good points in my opinion...;)

[Mahoro]

ok, let me stated myself before anything.
I am a Chinese-Canadian that came from Hong Kong(Is a good place, you should make a visit for at least once in your life, Japan as well :P ).
From Chinese point of view, or China point of view, Taiwan is belong to China, reunion is just the matter of time. China doesn't view this as invasion, and certainly not the interest of *stealing* technology (Coz a China general don't care this ****). Does 100 nuclear bombs and 1000 bombs make a different of destroying only 1 country. Might be more fireworks going on, but certainly both will end up MAD ( Mutal Assured Destruction), that's why Soviet Union never fired a single nuke.

Of course I reject China of using nukes or even any arms for the reunion. Just that this problem couldn't be forever extent. China views it as the civil problem, but w/ the intervence of US, this worsen the problem. Obviously, this is utter stupid for China to risk of gettin nuked becuase of gettin bak this small piece of land. But China values it beyond then that, she treats it as part of the country, and it shall not be seperated.

I was *SHOCKED* when I heard this news in the forum. I was like, Hong Kong better not get nuked....or 7 million of lives will get vaparioued.
And I totally reject the idea of this ****, but I am just speaking as the China point of view....
And I can't stand those replies, Like
"W00t, reduce population problem......
"Reduce a serious threat.....
WTF, come on, this is all abt NUKES and lives, it isn't funny to have nukes flying around. Not only youself might get kill, but also your friends, relatives, parents.....

Sorry for my terrible English and typo.
I am having an insomina, I am currently enjoying my summer in Hong Kong (GMT +8, which is 5:11am) and will be back to Canada the comming sem for my 3rd yr studies.


P.S.
I love Taiwan as well, been there twice, is a nice place to be, people are
pretty nice in there, I almost dropped my tears when I was leaving Taiwan :|
:D

[CG51]

Hell no. I'm throwing a party when Los Angeles goes up in smoke.

rofl

[Ding Chavez]

who the **** do these chinese think they are? their the one's in the wrong here taiwan wants and is entitled to it's independence and china's playing the bully card trying to scare them out of going through with it.

well let me tell you chinese something if you stick it out you better be prepared to have it cut off because the united states won't be ****ing bullied.

remember the old saying there's always somebody bigger and stronger out there and when it comes to military might its hard to be bigger and stronger the the united states of america. annd it's not just us your going to have to deal with but all our allies too.

and here's another thing for you chinese to ponder you have no idea what type of technology we really have in fact i don't think anybody on this board does for that matter.

and you guys are just getting around to building your 1st aircraft carrier.

the bottom line is china is in the wrong on this one.

[WARPIG]

uh... someone forgot their ritalin vitamin today.


who the f*** do these chinese think they are? their the one's in the wrong here taiwan wants and is entitled to it's independence and china's playing the bully card trying to scare them out of going through with it.

well let me tell you chinese something if you stick it out you better be prepared to have it cut off because the united states won't be f*** bullied.

The Taiwanese might be being bullied, but not the US. Tough anti-US rhetoric is just how dictators and communists try and puff up in front of their own people. It is typically a political show for the benefit of their own countrymen.


and here's another thing for you chinese to ponder you have no idea what type of technology we really have in fact i don't think anybody on this board does for that matter.

Maybe you can enlighten us. Speaking of technology, if you press the button that says "shift" while you type, it will allow you to put CAPITALS in front of your sentences.

[Jin]

ok, let me stated myself before anything.
I am a Chinese-Canadian that came from Hong Kong(Is a good place, you should make a visit for at least once in your life, Japan as well :P ).
From Chinese point of view, or China point of view, Taiwan is belong to China, reunion is just the matter of time. China doesn't view this as invasion, and certainly not the interest of *stealing* technology (Coz a China general don't care this ****). Does 100 nuclear bombs and 1000 bombs make a different of destroying only 1 country. Might be more fireworks going on, but certainly both will end up MAD ( Mutal Assured Destruction), that's why Soviet Union never fired a single nuke.

Of course I reject China of using nukes or even any arms for the reunion. Just that this problem couldn't be forever extent. China views it as the civil problem, but w/ the intervence of US, this worsen the problem. Obviously, this is utter stupid for China to risk of gettin nuked becuase of gettin bak this small piece of land. But China values it beyond then that, she treats it as part of the country, and it shall not be seperated.

I was *SHOCKED* when I heard this news in the forum. I was like, Hong Kong better not get nuked....or 7 million of lives will get vaparioued.
And I totally reject the idea of this ****, but I am just speaking as the China point of view....
And I can't stand those replies, Like
"W00t, reduce population problem......
"Reduce a serious threat.....
WTF, come on, this is all abt NUKES and lives, it isn't funny to have nukes flying around. Not only youself might get kill, but also your friends, relatives, parents.....

Sorry for my terrible English and typo.
I am having an insomina, I am currently enjoying my summer in Hong Kong (GMT +8, which is 5:11am) and will be back to Canada the comming sem for my 3rd yr studies.


P.S.
I love Taiwan as well, been there twice, is a nice place to be, people are
pretty nice in there, I almost dropped my tears when I was leaving Taiwan :|
:D

Where do you live in Canada? Toronto? Van?

[drummerguy5]

well look at it this way

even if china launched everything.......only 22 us citys will be gone...when teh US responds....china will be gone.......not quite MAD....but pretty sore either way..........

i dont thinkd theyd risk it. these guys msut be getting lesson on sabre rattling form lil' kim :lol:

[vampireuk]

China threaten something new every week.

[Laworkerbee]

Sun Tzu;

"When you are weak appear strong, when you are strong appear weak".

If I follow this rationale, China is still in bitch mode.

[ZeroZen]

Sun Tzu;

"When you are weak appear strong, when you are strong appear weak".

If I follow this rationale, China is still in bitch mode.

That quote is so true, :lol:

Yes taiwan is china and china is taiwan. I won't mine Democratic China to unify taiwan in a peaceful way. But its a undemocratic country and treathen taiwan with invasion. plus 800 missiles pointed to the population. Its like you pointed a gun in their face and demanding that "your azz is mine". Treathen the use of nukes. Wow...China really needs a hug.

Taiwan in China's strategic view. It is a gateway for a true Blue water Naval capability. I got a Q.... Whats going on with this "Chinese National Socialism" gossip in mainland. Its kinda racial propaganda.

[Ding Chavez]

Maybe you can enlighten us. Speaking of technology, if you press the button that says "shift" while you type, it will allow you to put CAPITALS in front of your sentences.

you don't catch on to fast do you chief? so let me slow it down for you the point i'm trying to make is none of us including myself and mainly china really knows what type of technology the us goverment possesses for all we know they could already have some sort of intercontinental ballistic missle defense system in place.

why is it to far fectched to believe something like that?

and furthermore slick i'm not anal retentive enough like yourself to care whether or not if i'm using proper capitilization and or puncuation when posting on a message board.

thank you come again :lol:

[SOG]

what i still dont understand is that a country so big wants a land so tiny so badly. truly wild. risking nuclear war because someone else may try and defend the isle? crazy. then again if the US backs down and does nothing that gives china much incentive over future dealings to do what it wants and threaten nukes. call thier game, im bored. god nuclear war would be horrible.

Well, how about returning Southern California to Mexico? Or at least let Mexican troops patrol San Diego and LA?

sure if they wanted it so bad they were willing to go to war over it, but then again you could just skip the mexicans and give it to the local indian tribes that were there beforehand. good casinos and good food would reign supreme! woot well, that and unemployment.

[JTAR7242]

And I can't stand those replies, Like
"W00t, reduce population problem......
"Reduce a serious threat.....
WTF, come on, this is all abt NUKES and lives, it isn't funny to have nukes flying around. Not only youself might get kill, but also your friends, relatives, parents.....
And I can't stand dumb people.



You didn't really think I was serious did you? rofl

[Mahoro]

hum......let's see how it goes......
Seems there's no winner when cities are destroyed.....:/

I don't think simply killing civilians is a victory.
This, unlike WWII which ppl get killed by bullets and expolsives,
Millions will just get vapourize....:bash:

hah, nvm, ppl never get serious in internet anwyay before things *really* happen like the bombs in UK. :roll:





Where do you live in Canada? Toronto? Van?
I live in Toronto, a boring place to be......:/
Hong Kong is a much better place, the best place in the world. woot
(Except for the Unreasonable high property $$$, and pollution :(, and also relativly low pay........
:fork: )

[Redux]

the general is purely bluffing.

and i dont get how ppl say china's got ****ty technology and how they dont have a chance at all against the US, and then all of a sudden people bitch and whine about the expansion of the PLA and how it is unnecessary.