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Geezah
07-15-2005, 09:05 AM
According to the U.S. Department of Justice every two minutes another woman is raped. "We do live in a great community and a relatively safe community," Tony Mancuso, Calcasieu Sheriff said. "But we still have the problems of rapes and ****** predators in our community."
And in communities nationwide, but it's a crime that doesn't often get reported. According to the FBI, only 37 percent of all rape victims contact police. And of those, only 2 percent result in a conviction.
"I'm sure its because its so traumatic, they don't want to testify they just want to forget about it." Mancuso said. "The other problem is they wait until two or three days after the actual rape occurs and then we have no evidence."
In a recent studay, authorities met with convicted rapists to ask what they look for before an attack, and heres what they had to say:
The time of day they were most likely to commit a rape: Early morning between 5:00 and 8:30.
The most likely places to chose a victim: Grocery store parking lots, parking garages, and public restrooms.
And what increases your chances of becoming a victim may suprise you. According to the rapists someone with a ponytail, bun, long hairstyle, or loose clothing makes them an easy grab.
"We're not obviously telling people they need to go cut their hair," Mancuso said. "How do you tell a person they shouldn't wear long hair? We're just trying to inform them that's one of the things when they did their study that rapists said made them easy targets because they could yank them by their hair and throw them in a car, or in a corner or in a building."
Mancuso said the most important things women should remember are to never get into a vehicle with an attacker and as soon as you're able to get free contact police.
Here are some other precautions you can take to stay safe:
Rapists say they tend to get discouraged when someone puts up a fight, because it makes the attempted rape too time consuming.
They say they wouldn't chose a woman carrying an umbrella or any similar object that can be used in defense from a distance.
If someone is following close behind you, turn and look them straight in the face and make general small talk. Once you've looked them in the face and can identify them in a line-up you lose your appeal as a target.
Any group wanting to learn basic self defense techniques should contact the Calcasieu Sheriff's Office to set up a meeting.
Link (http://www.kplctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3591448&nav=0nqxc9NX)
Legion
07-15-2005, 09:51 AM
According to the U.S. Department of Justice every two minutes another woman is raped. "We do live in a great community and a relatively safe community," Tony Mancuso, Calcasieu Sheriff said. "But we still have the problems of rapes and ****** predators in our community."
And in communities nationwide, but it's a crime that doesn't often get reported. According to the FBI, only 37 percent of all rape victims contact police. And of those, only 2 percent result in a conviction.
"I'm sure its because its so traumatic, they don't want to testify they just want to forget about it." Mancuso said. "The other problem is they wait until two or three days after the actual rape occurs and then we have no evidence."
In a recent studay, authorities met with convicted rapists to ask what they look for before an attack, and heres what they had to say:
The time of day they were most likely to commit a rape: Early morning between 5:00 and 8:30.
The most likely places to chose a victim: Grocery store parking lots, parking garages, and public restrooms.
And what increases your chances of becoming a victim may suprise you. According to the rapists someone with a ponytail, bun, long hairstyle, or loose clothing makes them an easy grab.
"We're not obviously telling people they need to go cut their hair," Mancuso said. "How do you tell a person they shouldn't wear long hair? We're just trying to inform them that's one of the things when they did their study that rapists said made them easy targets because they could yank them by their hair and throw them in a car, or in a corner or in a building."
Mancuso said the most important things women should remember are to never get into a vehicle with an attacker and as soon as you're able to get free contact police.
Here are some other precautions you can take to stay safe:
Rapists say they tend to get discouraged when someone puts up a fight, because it makes the attempted rape too time consuming.
They say they wouldn't chose a woman carrying an umbrella or any similar object that can be used in defense from a distance.
If someone is following close behind you, turn and look them straight in the face and make general small talk. Once you've looked them in the face and can identify them in a line-up you lose your appeal as a target.
Forgot one: Shoot attacker multiple times in the groin area
Any group wanting to learn basic self defense techniques should contact the Calcasieu Sheriff's Office to set up a meeting.
Link (http://www.kplctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=3591448&nav=0nqxc9NX)
Satyr
07-15-2005, 10:27 AM
some other statistics..
Somewhere in America, a woman is raped every 2 minutes, according to the U.S. Department of Justice.
In 1995, 354,670 women were the victims of a rape or ****** assault. (NationalCrime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice, 1996.)
Over the last two years, more than 787,000 women were the victim of a rape or ****** assault. (National Crime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S.Department of Justice, 1996.)
The FBI estimates that 72 of every 100,000 females in the United States wereraped last year. (Federal Bureau of Investigation, Uniform Crime Statistics, 1996.)
SILENT VICTIMS :
One of the most startling aspects of *** crimes is how many go unreported. The most common reasons given by women for not reporting these crimes are the belief that it is a private or personal matter and the fear of reprisal from the assailant.
Approximately 28% of victims are raped by husbands or boyfriends, 35% by acquaintances, and 5% by other relatives. (Violence against Women, Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Dept. of Justice, 1994)
The FBI estimates that only 37% of all rapes are reported to the police. U.S. Justice Department statistics are even lower, with only 26% of all rapes or attempted rapes being reported to law enforcement officials.
In 1994-1995, only 251,560 rapes and ****** assaults were reported to law enforcement officials -- less than one in every three. (National Crime Victimization Survey, Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice, 1996.)
An overwhelming majority of rape service agencies believe that public education about rape, and expanded counseling and advocacy services for rape victims, would be effective in increasing the willingness of victims to report rapes to the police. (Rape in America, 1992, National Victim Center with Crime Victims Research and Treatment Center.)
LIVING IN FEAR :
According to the U.S. Department of Justice: (All statistics are taken from: Violenceagainst Women, Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Dept. of Justice, 1994.)
One of every four rapes take place in a public area or in a parking garage.
31% of female victims reported that the offender was a stranger.
68% of rapes occur between the hours of 6 p.m. and 6 a.m.
At least 45% of rapists were under the influence of alcohol or drugs.
In 29% of rapes, the offender used a weapon.
In 47% of rapes, the victim sustained injuries other than rape injuries.
75% of female rape victims require medical care after the attack.
NOT JUST A FAMILY MATTER :
Family violence and abuse are among the most prevalent forms of interpersonal violence against women and young children -- both boys and girls. The ****** abuse of a child should never be "just a family matter," but many children are afraid to report an incident to the police because the abusers are too often a family friend or relative.
Approximately one-third of all juvenile victims of ****** abuse cases are children younger than 6 years of age. (Violence and the Family, Report of the American Psychological Association Presidential Task Force on Violence and the Family, 1996.)
According to the Justice Department, one in two rape victims are under age 18; one in six are under age 12. (Child Rape Victims, 1992. U.S. Department of Justice.)
FACE OF AMERICA :
About 81% of rape victims are white; 18% are black; 1% are of other races. (Violence against Women, Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Dept. of Justice, 1994.)
About half of all rape victims are in the lowest third of income distribution; half are in the upper two-thirds. (Violence against Women, Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Dept. of Justice, 1994.)
There were 71 forcible rapes per 100,000 females reported to United States law enforcement agencies in 1996. 2
Data from the National Women's Study, a longitudinal telephone survey of a national household probability sample of women at least 18 years of age, show 683,000 women forcibly raped each year and that 84% of rape victims did not report the offense to the police.3
Using Uniform Crime Report data for 1994 and 1995, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found that of rape victims who reported the offense to law enforcement, about 40% were under the age of 18, and 15% were younger than 12.4
In a national survey 27.7% of college women reported a ****** experience since the age of fourteen that met the legal definition of rape or attempted rape, and 7.7% of college men reported perpetrating aggressive behavior which met the legal definition of rape.5
The National Crime Victimization Survey indicates that for 1992-1993, 92% of rapes were committed by known assailants.1 About half of all rapes and ****** assaults against women are committed by friends and acquaintances, and 26% are by intimate partners.1
Risk factors for perpetrating ****** violence include: early ****** experience (both forced and voluntary),6 adherence by men to *** role stereotyping,7,8 negative attitudes of men towards women,6,9,,10,11,12, alcohol consumption,8,13 acceptance of rape myths by men.8,9,12,14,15
Non-forceful verbal resistance and lack of resistance are associated with rape completion.1,6
The adult pregnancy rate associated with rape is estimated to be 4.7%. This information, in conjunction with estimates based on the U.S. Census, suggest that there may be 32,101 annual rape-related pregnancies among American women over the age of 18.17
Non-genital physical injuries occur in approximately 40% of completed rape cases.18 As many as 3% of all rape cases have non-genital injuries requiring overnight hospitalization.19
Victims of rape often manifest long-term symptoms of chronic headaches,18,20fatigue20, sleep disturbance20, recurrent nausea,20 decreased appetite,21 eating disorders,22 menstrual pain,18 ****** dysfunction,23 and suicide attempts.21 In a longitudinal study, ****** assault was found to increase the odds of substance abuse by a factor of 2.5.24
Estimates of the occurrence of ******ly transmitted diseases resulting from rape range from 3.6% to 30%.18,22 HIV transmission risk rate from rape is estimated at 1 in 500,22,25 although a few probable cases have been documented in Sweden and Great Britain. 26,27
Victims of marital or date rape are 11 times more likely to be clinically depressed, and 6 times more likely to experience social phobia than are non-victims. Psychological problems are still evident in cases as long as 15 years after the assault.28
Fatalities occur in about 0.1% of all rape cases.29,30
A study examining the use of health services over a five year period by female members of a health maintenance program found that the number of visits to physicians by rape victims increased 56% in the year following the crime, compared to a 2% utilization increase by non-victims.31
The National Public Services Research Institute estimates the lifetime cost for each rape with physical injuries which occurred in 1987 to be $60,000.32
Legion
07-15-2005, 10:47 AM
some other statistics..
Somewhere in America, a woman is raped every 2 minutes, according to the U.S. Department of Justice.
In 1995, 354,670 women were the victims of a rape or ****** assault. (NationalCrime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice, 1996.)
Over the last two years, more than 787,000 women were the victim of a rape or ****** assault. (National Crime Victimization Survey. Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S.Department of Justice, 1996.)
The FBI estimates that 72 of every 100,000 females in the United States wereraped last year. (Federal Bureau of Investigation, Uniform Crime Statistics, 1996.)
SILENT VICTIMS :
One of the most startling aspects of *** crimes is how many go unreported. The most common reasons given by women for not reporting these crimes are the belief that it is a private or personal matter and the fear of reprisal from the assailant.
Approximately 28% of victims are raped by husbands or boyfriends, 35% by acquaintances, and 5% by other relatives. (Violence against Women, Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Dept. of Justice, 1994)
The FBI estimates that only 37% of all rapes are reported to the police. U.S. Justice Department statistics are even lower, with only 26% of all rapes or attempted rapes being reported to law enforcement officials.
In 1994-1995, only 251,560 rapes and ****** assaults were reported to law enforcement officials -- less than one in every three. (National Crime Victimization Survey, Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Department of Justice, 1996.)
An overwhelming majority of rape service agencies believe that public education about rape, and expanded counseling and advocacy services for rape victims, would be effective in increasing the willingness of victims to report rapes to the police. (Rape in America, 1992, National Victim Center with Crime Victims Research and Treatment Center.)
LIVING IN FEAR :
According to the U.S. Department of Justice: (All statistics are taken from: Violenceagainst Women, Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Dept. of Justice, 1994.)
One of every four rapes take place in a public area or in a parking garage.
31% of female victims reported that the offender was a stranger.
68% of rapes occur between the hours of 6 p.m. and 6 a.m.
At least 45% of rapists were under the influence of alcohol or drugs.
In 29% of rapes, the offender used a weapon.
In 47% of rapes, the victim sustained injuries other than rape injuries.
75% of female rape victims require medical care after the attack.
NOT JUST A FAMILY MATTER :
Family violence and abuse are among the most prevalent forms of interpersonal violence against women and young children -- both boys and girls. The ****** abuse of a child should never be "just a family matter," but many children are afraid to report an incident to the police because the abusers are too often a family friend or relative.
Approximately one-third of all juvenile victims of ****** abuse cases are children younger than 6 years of age. (Violence and the Family, Report of the American Psychological Association Presidential Task Force on Violence and the Family, 1996.)
According to the Justice Department, one in two rape victims are under age 18; one in six are under age 12. (Child Rape Victims, 1992. U.S. Department of Justice.)
FACE OF AMERICA :
About 81% of rape victims are white; 18% are black; 1% are of other races. (Violence against Women, Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Dept. of Justice, 1994.)
About half of all rape victims are in the lowest third of income distribution; half are in the upper two-thirds. (Violence against Women, Bureau of Justice Statistics, U.S. Dept. of Justice, 1994.)
There were 71 forcible rapes per 100,000 females reported to United States law enforcement agencies in 1996. 2
Data from the National Women's Study, a longitudinal telephone survey of a national household probability sample of women at least 18 years of age, show 683,000 women forcibly raped each year and that 84% of rape victims did not report the offense to the police.3
Using Uniform Crime Report data for 1994 and 1995, the Bureau of Justice Statistics found that of rape victims who reported the offense to law enforcement, about 40% were under the age of 18, and 15% were younger than 12.4
In a national survey 27.7% of college women reported a ****** experience since the age of fourteen that met the legal definition of rape or attempted rape, and 7.7% of college men reported perpetrating aggressive behavior which met the legal definition of rape.5
The National Crime Victimization Survey indicates that for 1992-1993, 92% of rapes were committed by known assailants.1 About half of all rapes and ****** assaults against women are committed by friends and acquaintances, and 26% are by intimate partners.1
Risk factors for perpetrating ****** violence include: early ****** experience (both forced and voluntary),6 adherence by men to *** role stereotyping,7,8 negative attitudes of men towards women,6,9,,10,11,12, alcohol consumption,8,13 acceptance of rape myths by men.8,9,12,14,15
Non-forceful verbal resistance and lack of resistance are associated with rape completion.1,6
The adult pregnancy rate associated with rape is estimated to be 4.7%. This information, in conjunction with estimates based on the U.S. Census, suggest that there may be 32,101 annual rape-related pregnancies among American women over the age of 18.17
Non-genital physical injuries occur in approximately 40% of completed rape cases.18 As many as 3% of all rape cases have non-genital injuries requiring overnight hospitalization.19
Victims of rape often manifest long-term symptoms of chronic headaches,18,20fatigue20, sleep disturbance20, recurrent nausea,20 decreased appetite,21 eating disorders,22 menstrual pain,18 ****** dysfunction,23 and suicide attempts.21 In a longitudinal study, ****** assault was found to increase the odds of substance abuse by a factor of 2.5.24
Estimates of the occurrence of ******ly transmitted diseases resulting from rape range from 3.6% to 30%.18,22 HIV transmission risk rate from rape is estimated at 1 in 500,22,25 although a few probable cases have been documented in Sweden and Great Britain. 26,27
Victims of marital or date rape are 11 times more likely to be clinically depressed, and 6 times more likely to experience social phobia than are non-victims. Psychological problems are still evident in cases as long as 15 years after the assault.28
Fatalities occur in about 0.1% of all rape cases.29,30
A study examining the use of health services over a five year period by female members of a health maintenance program found that the number of visits to physicians by rape victims increased 56% in the year following the crime, compared to a 2% utilization increase by non-victims.31
The National Public Services Research Institute estimates the lifetime cost for each rape with physical injuries which occurred in 1987 to be $60,000.32
Make me want to puke...
Assault with a friendly weapon
woofer
07-15-2005, 02:45 PM
we have a massive problem with date rape drugs in the UK at the moment. The offender slips a pill into a drink and just waits till there victim is out of this planet and then rapes them. Victims are reporting that they think they have been attacked but have no real memory except flash backs some time later.
I spoke with a rape therapist the other day, from what she is saying the Police are only touching the tip of the ice berg when it comes to rape. Many victims wont report it. This is for a number of reasons, be it because they work in the *** industry or are just so traumatised that they cannot face the further trauma of reporting it.
The problem that we face at work is that many of the people who report it are making false reports and are either trying to distance themselves from the fact that their mum and dad caught them being 'spit roasted' by a couple of male friends or are after revenge. One woman has recently been sent to jail for such a report.
ash933
07-15-2005, 06:01 PM
Yeah, I've heard about the date rape things a couple of times. Makes me sick it does. A friend told me about how one of her brother's friends at university woke up in the gutter without her skirt, with no memory of the previous night. Maybe a bit cynical, but it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to work out what likely happened.
Durandal
07-15-2005, 07:04 PM
Do you think that if we made rape an executable offense there might be less?
I would have no problems with it.
Secret Squirrel
07-15-2005, 07:11 PM
Do you think that if we made rape an executable offense there might be less?
I would have no problems with it.
I think we need to make it standard sentences. It should be an automatic 10 years for a 1st offense rape, 20 for a 2nd, and the rest of their life for a third. Child molesters should never walk the streets again simply because I cant deny my attraction for women just like they can never deny their attraction for children. The dealth penality does the same as mainly focusing only on rehabilitation; it removes the first purpose of a prison, that being punishment.
Legion
07-15-2005, 08:13 PM
Yeah, I've heard about the date rape things a couple of times. Makes me sick it does. A friend told me about how one of her brother's friends at university woke up in the gutter without her skirt, with no memory of the previous night. Maybe a bit cynical, but it doesn't take a rocket surgeon to work out what likely happened.
Alfred Einstein was a rocket surgeon, no?
Satyr
07-15-2005, 09:37 PM
Do you think that if we made rape an executable offense there might be less?
I would have no problems with it.
I think we need to make it standard sentences. It should be an automatic 10 years for a 1st offense rape, 20 for a 2nd, and the rest of their life for a third. Child molesters should never walk the streets again simply because I cant deny my attraction for women just like they can never deny their attraction for children. The dealth penality does the same as mainly focusing only on rehabilitation; it removes the first purpose of a prison, that being punishment.
it makes no sense to make the punishment harder. Involuntary manslaughter and rape are in most cases not a calculated crime, hence the word involentary. And that's why a hard punishment has little preventive effect against these types of crime. Economical crimes and IT crimes are often calculated crimes where risk and penalty has a say in the desision to do something illegal. That's why a high penalty has a very high preventive effect, as it really shouldnt pay off to do the crime. Most people can agree that it's a lot more terrible when a person gets raped or killed than when a few servers here and there are put offline, and that the responsible person should have a harder penalty. But sadly it costs lots and lots of cash to punish a person and you have to priority, and when you know tougher penalties doesnt really help on rape statistics and involuntary manslaughter, but has an enourmeous say regarding economically crimes then we chose to do it that way. Not that i dont agree with you. To me rape is the worst crime you can do against a girl, besides of torture and murder. I love my girl more than anything on this planet and i would take a bullet for her any time. I cant imagine how i would react if she one day got beaten up and mass raped by some ****s in some backalley. Christ..just the thought of it. Reminds me of a movie called Irreversible where a girl gets raped. I couldnt even watch it through, it's just so horrible that some people are capable of doing such things.
Ayura
07-15-2005, 10:33 PM
Do you think that if we made rape an executable offense there might be less?
I would have no problems with it.
Apparently, if muslims do this it's Barbaric....just my two cents.
woofer
07-16-2005, 04:00 AM
Do you think that if we made rape an executable offense there might be less?
I would have no problems with it.
Apparently, if muslims do this it's Barbaric....just my two cents.
What rape or execute people...if rape then yes its Barbaric!
If you meen execute people then I think you will find 99.9% of people on this forum would agree with execution of rapists. But if your starting a political argument then dont go there...its a bit differant to a contractor who is being payed to rebuild the infrastructure of a war torn country. ...just my two cents
Secret Squirrel
07-16-2005, 02:20 PM
it makes no sense to make the punishment harder. Involuntary manslaughter and rape are in most cases not a calculated crime, hence the word involentary. And that's why a hard punishment has little preventive effect against these types of crime.
people who commit ****** crimes are mostly likely to re-offend. Removing them, and actually punishing them (I'm sure somewhere people remember the the first purpose of prison is punishment) wouldnt cause me to lose any sleep. Death isnt a punishment, but losing 10 years off your life, when you've only got one life to live, would be.
Economical crimes and IT crimes are often calculated crimes where risk and penalty has a say in the desision to do something illegal. That's why a high penalty has a very high preventive effect, as it really shouldnt pay off to do the crime. Most people can agree that it's a lot more terrible when a person gets raped or killed than when a few servers here and there are put offline, and that the responsible person should have a harder penalty. But sadly it costs lots and lots of cash to punish a person and you have to priority, and when you know tougher penalties doesnt really help on rape statistics and involuntary manslaughter, but has an enourmeous say regarding economically crimes then we chose to do it that way.
We're spending a billion a week in Iraq, i'm sure someone could spare the money. And maybe we should think about returning to a prison system where the prisoners pay their own way (ie. meals, clothing..etc). But the sentences for ****** crimes is a freaking joke.
woofer
07-16-2005, 02:27 PM
it makes no sense to make the punishment harder. Involuntary manslaughter and rape are in most cases not a calculated crime, hence the word involentary. And that's why a hard punishment has little preventive effect against these types of crime.
people who commit ****** crimes are mostly likely to re-offend. Removing them, and actually punishing them (I'm sure somewhere people remember the the first purpose of prison is punishment) wouldnt cause me to lose any sleep. Death isnt a punishment, but losing 10 years off your life, when you've only got one life to live, would be.
Economical crimes and IT crimes are often calculated crimes where risk and penalty has a say in the desision to do something illegal. That's why a high penalty has a very high preventive effect, as it really shouldnt pay off to do the crime. Most people can agree that it's a lot more terrible when a person gets raped or killed than when a few servers here and there are put offline, and that the responsible person should have a harder penalty. But sadly it costs lots and lots of cash to punish a person and you have to priority, and when you know tougher penalties doesnt really help on rape statistics and involuntary manslaughter, but has an enourmeous say regarding economically crimes then we chose to do it that way.
We're spending a billion a week in Iraq, i'm sure someone could spare the money. And maybe we should think about returning to a prison system where the prisoners pay their own way (ie. meals, clothing..etc). But the sentences for ****** crimes is a freaking joke.
im sorry i do not realy agree. ****** predators should not be punished!
They are a risk to our children and wives we should have the ability to stop that risk. you cannot cure these people or punish them. put them in prison and they meet more of the same people and networks are made and details exchanged.
People say castrate them...well from what ive heard about some child molestors they dont even get an erection anyway. Maybe we could put them on an island somewhere or even better just put them down like dogs. :|
Laworkerbee
07-16-2005, 03:35 PM
Do you think that if we made rape an executable offense there might be less?
I would have no problems with it.
I think we need to make it standard sentences. It should be an automatic 10 years for a 1st offense rape, 20 for a 2nd, and the rest of their life for a third. Child molesters should never walk the streets again simply because I cant deny my attraction for women just like they can never deny their attraction for children. The dealth penality does the same as mainly focusing only on rehabilitation; it removes the first purpose of a prison, that being punishment.
X2
woofer
07-16-2005, 04:00 PM
Do you think that if we made rape an executable offense there might be less?
I would have no problems with it.
Apparently, if muslims do this it's Barbaric....just my two cents.
Line them up and give them a bit of the woofer magic
http://media.militaryphotos.net/photos/albums/1WFR-NORTHERN-IRELAND/aam.sized.jpg
Ayura
07-16-2005, 04:32 PM
Do you think that if we made rape an executable offense there might be less?
I would have no problems with it.
Apparently, if muslims do this it's Barbaric....just my two cents.
What rape or execute people...if rape then yes its Barbaric!
If you meen execute people then I think you will find 99.9% of people on this forum would agree with execution of rapists. But if your starting a political argument then dont go there...its a bit differant to a contractor who is being payed to rebuild the infrastructure of a war torn country. ...just my two cents
I mean execution not rape!!! Rape is horrid and disgusting and is just plain cruel.
BigBaribal
07-16-2005, 05:53 PM
I'm against death penalty: no civilized society can keep death penalty. This was my sissie minute.
Now, on my usual line, I would really like to see some more detailed stats about these rapes. I've a little idea about that by seeing lots of similar reports on this new trend, but I would like to see more rationalized analysis.
BigBaribal
07-16-2005, 05:57 PM
Do you think that if we made rape an executable offense there might be less?
I would have no problems with it.
Btw, I always found very paradoxal that people seeing me as a radical can be in the same time for the death penalty :roll:
woofer
07-16-2005, 06:17 PM
Do you think that if we made rape an executable offense there might be less?
I would have no problems with it.
Apparently, if muslims do this it's Barbaric....just my two cents.
What rape or execute people...if rape then yes its Barbaric!
If you meen execute people then I think you will find 99.9% of people on this forum would agree with execution of rapists. But if your starting a political argument then dont go there...its a bit differant to a contractor who is being payed to rebuild the infrastructure of a war torn country. ...just my two cents
I mean execution not rape!!! Rape is horrid and disgusting and is just plain cruel.
both are barbaric just that execution can be justified..be it by blunt knife or a single shot to the head. It just comes to your personal values. I can justify the execution of a rapist in my mind but not a civilian contractor. Each to their own..one mans freedom fighter is anothers terrorist. If you are my terrorist I hope you meet a swift end and all respect to you. You may have died killing inocent people but at least you did what you did for your beliefs. AND ONE FINAL NOTE THIS WAS ABOUT RAPISTS NOT MORE MUSLIM BULL..I THINK WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH RECENTLY. STICK TO HIJACKING BRITISH AIRWAYS FLIGHTS NOT THREADS ABOUT RAPISTS :|
BigBaribal
07-16-2005, 06:28 PM
Death penalty cannot be a solution in a civilized country for two reasons:
- Pratical: too big risks of judiciary mistakes.
- Philosophical: it's not coherent to give a absolute sentence for an act which is by essence relative.
In fact, for me, the only situation in which death penalty should be applied is treason in time of war (so basically, all the political and media class could be so sentenced already now to death, as we are supposed to be in a war :lol: ).
woofer
07-16-2005, 06:31 PM
I'm against death penalty: no civilized society can keep death penalty. This was my sissie minute.
Now, on my usual line, I would really like to see some more detailed stats about these rapes. I've a little idea about that by seeing lots of similar reports on this new trend, but I would like to see more rationalized analysis.
Please dont.... I saw a video the other day (in my line of work) that showed the father of a girl, 8 years old, selling her ****** rights to a peadofile. The peadofile videod the meeting for insurance... The verbals went
Dad... I am ..... I am here to sell my daughter to ..... for £25.000(he then strips her naked and passes her to the offender) I will now leave the room and .... will ******ly abuse my daughter.
The girl is then subjected to videod abuse that is sold on the internet and passed between sick bastards. she agrees to certain acts so dad can "get the money"
The girl goes home with dad to be further abused on call
shall they live or shall they die...whats the option
BigBaribal
07-16-2005, 06:37 PM
I know it, it is horrible, but I'm still against death penalty and you have perhaps noticed it, I'm not a liberal profi-appeaser of any kind.
joe mama
07-16-2005, 10:18 PM
Death penalty cannot be a solution in a civilized country for two reasons:
- Pratical: too big risks of judiciary mistakes.
No more risk than someone might get, say, a life sentence, by mistake, and be in jail until they die.
- Philosophical: it's not coherent to give a absolute sentence for an act which is by essence relative.
Let's say a guy is robbing a bank, and a cop shows up and tries to stop it and the guy kills him. What's relative about this?
In fact, for me, the only situation in which death penalty should be applied is treason in time of war (so basically, all the political and media class could be so sentenced already now to death, as we are supposed to be in a war :lol: ).
Geezah
07-18-2005, 08:23 AM
I'm all for removing the bad elements that prey on the weak from this Earth, if they can't play nice with others then they shouldn't be allowed to play at all. This is in reference to ****** predators.
They need to bring back public execution, might be somewhat of a deterant to some date rapists while it will have little to no effect on kiddie fiddlers, but will make sure they do not target any more youngsters.
wiking
07-18-2005, 08:40 AM
I've allways considered rape and child abuse the most horrible and despicable things the human nature is capable off. Just bloody horrible.
My grandmother was abused by her father, she is now 60 something years old, has been interviewed about it and participated in a book about it. This was in the 40's or so, and it didn't exist back then, or atleast no one wanted to admit it. I don't know any details, and i don't want to know them. Think it's one of the reasons i really hate it.
Geezah
07-18-2005, 08:51 AM
I know two girls that have been raped, one was a friend of a girlfriend I was dating while at Richmond College she had been left for dead naked town by the river in Kingston in the snow. The other was raped at a bus depot in Wimbledon, again the was a friend of a girlfriend, she was a big raver knocking around with a bunch called Satin Storm, this had nothing to do with the rape, they showed the details of her rape on Crime Watch :(
Legion
07-18-2005, 08:58 AM
Death penalty cannot be a solution in a civilized country for two reasons:
- Pratical: too big risks of judiciary mistakes.
- Philosophical: it's not coherent to give a absolute sentence for an act which is by essence relative.
In fact, for me, the only situation in which death penalty should be applied is treason in time of war (so basically, all the political and media class could be so sentenced already now to death, as we are supposed to be in a war :lol: ).
So Treason is OK, but not violent assaults against or murder of another? Do you think the burden of proof is any less in treason case?
I say hang 'em high.
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