Serbia & Montenegro in EU?

[SerbPVO]

Should we enter European Union? What would be advantages & disadvantages of membership for Serbia?

What do fellow Serbs and well-wishing non-Serbs think?

My opinion... I don't think we need it. Norway, Switzerland...whats wrong with them, keeping to the side and minding their own business?

[JoaMei]

Should we enter European Union? What would be advantages & disadvantages of membership for Serbia?

What do fellow Serbs and well-wishing non-Serbs think?

My opinion... I don't think we need it. Norway, Switzerland...whats wrong with them, keeping to the side and minding their own business?

"Should we enter European Union?" Its not like you say we wanna join and the EU says ok. These Countries have a long way to go before they are allowed to join.

For poor countries the union means Billions of Euros in help, so it would only bring advantages to Serbia and Montenegro while they are contributing nothing. No offense meant.

[Lokos]

No offense taken. And no offense meant when I say 'No' to the EU. We've had enough of our sovereignity shredded by foreign organizations and international bodies dangling aid in our faces while saying 'You can have it if you just do this... and this... and this... and this... and sell your souls, too.'

Serbia is a nation, not a state.

Lokos

[JoaMei]

In my opinion the balkan states belong more to the EU than perhaps Turkey because of shared religion (for what it is still worth today) and values.
If the war would not have been they already could be in the EU, but the Muslim countries should stay out because this will seriously destabilize the EU.

[Zarathustra]

The Turkey before the Balkanic area I think.

[Wodan]

Well.. I think you arent prepared for it, we should make trade associations, but thats all, for the next.. say.. we speak again in a decade about your membership, I think croatia is ready, but the others have a long way to go...

(slovenia is already in)

[fdt]

and sell your souls, too.'

Serbia is a nation, not a state.

LokosPls..... :cantbeli: Sitting Downunder seems to make You loose the grip on reality... and sell your soul, too.

Serbia is not a country? Does Kostunica or people living in Belgrade know that? Or You perhaps mean that Serbs do not need a statehood? BTW Islam is also not a just a reliogion, muslims (at least those radical ones) do claim that they are a .... nation.

[Lokos]

Serbia is not a country? Does Kostunica or people living in Belgrade know that? Or You perhaps mean that Serbs do not need a statehood? BTW Islam is also not a just a reliogion, muslims (at least those radical ones) do claim that they are a .... nation

What I mean - and this is something you should ask about, before presuming, if you don't mind me saying so - is that Serbia is a sovereign nation, not a European 'state' to be incorporated into this increasingly centralized body. And if Serbs have to sacrifice everything that makes Serbia a nation in order to get a few million dollars in aid from the 'humanitarian' abroad - then no, to hell with that, and thanks for all the fish.


Pls..... Can't Believe It Sitting Downunder seems to make You loose the grip on reality... and sell your soul, too.

If this is the tone you want to set for the ensuing discussion, don't reply again in this thread. I'm not interested. Understand, tovarisch?

Lokos

[fdt]

Serbia is not a country? Does Kostunica or people living in Belgrade know that? Or You perhaps mean that Serbs do not need a statehood? BTW Islam is also not a just a reliogion, muslims (at least those radical ones) do claim that they are a .... nation

What I mean - and this is something you should ask about, before presuming, if you don't mind me saying so - is that Serbia is a sovereign nation, not a European 'state' to be incorporated into this increasingly centralized body. And if Serbs have to sacrifice everything that makes Serbia a nation in order to get a few million dollars in aid from the 'humanitarian' abroad - then no, to hell with that, and thanks for all the fish.


Pls..... Can't Believe It Sitting Downunder seems to make You loose the grip on reality... and sell your soul, too.

If this is the tone you want to set for the ensuing discussion, don't reply again in this thread. I'm not interested. Understand, tovarisch?

LokosBlah, blah, blah. You of course are the EU internal affairs expert... Take a simple advice... stop making statements for the country that You don't pay taxes in.

[BigBaribal]

Of course, Serbia and Montenegro are parts of the real Europa.

But I would fear that if you get in the current political Europe, you will get too all the globalist Bruxelles crap (for instance, as soon as a country get into Europe influence, the "diversity" concept follown immediately: "whaaaaat, you're not diverse enough!!!!!)


(I'm Swiss and I've voted twice against Swiss adhesion to this globalist PC oligarkish Europe, but I would have nothing against a confederated Europe respecting the states and the real nations).

[Inquisitor]

For some months we'll talk about "should serbia enter in the Eu" and "should Montenegro enter the EU"? anyways, I know what SerbPVO and Lokos are talking about but I think that,being realistic,the EU is the only way for a prosperous future, for all balkan countries.


P.S.

With Muslim countries you meant countries where muslims are a majority :| ?

[SerbPVO]

Don't hold your breath.
I'm Montenegrin, my entire family lives in Boka Kotor Bay area...and everybody is against independence. But if it happens, no big deal....Montenegro is to Serbia like Cyprus to Greece, understand?

[Lokos]

If Montenegrin independence happens, it happens. What can we little people do, when all the world dances to a politician's tune?


Blah, blah, blah. You of course are the EU internal affairs expert... Take a simple advice... stop making statements for the country that You don't pay taxes in.

Take your own advice, my Polish friend. Stop assuming that you understand the position of Serbia in this whole thing. You don't. More is at stake than money and economic development, and until you understand that, like I said, feel free to stop posting in this thread. Your qualified opinion is specifically not sought. Read the opening post for why I say 'specifically'.

Lokos

[tony6]

Lokos:
Do You really think that joining EU = loosing your independence?
Europe as one state is only Mr.Chirac's and Shroeder's wish. It will never happen. just take a look at the whole constitution thing.
EU is and always be a federation with common market (it was ment to be this way at the beggining!), nothing more.
Each country has it's own particular business and it is impossible to bring it together. France and Germany want to cook their own meal in the "united europe" jug but hopefully it will never happen.
Common market-yes.
Common politics-no.
That's it.
We had also those "we will loose our independence" fears spread by Euro-sceptics here in Poland before our joining but it turn out to be pure BS.
I voted YES and I don't regret. But I also say NO to the whole constitution BS.

[Lokos]

Lokos:
Do You really think that joining EU = loosing your independence?
Europe as one state is only Mr.Chirac's and Shroeder's wish. It will never happen. just take a look at the whole constitution thing.
EU is and always be a federation with common market (it was ment to be this way at the beggining!), nothing more.
Each country has it's own particular business and it is impossible to bring it together. France and Germany want to cook their own meal in the "united europe" jug but hopefully it will never happen.
Common market-yes.
Common politics-no.
That's it.
We had also those "we will loose our independence" fears spread by Euro-sceptics here in Poland before our joining but it turn out to be pure BS.
I voted YES and I don't regret. But I also say NO to the whole constitution BS.

Don't equate Poland and Serbia. The things Serbia would have to do to be eligible to join make the whole proposal a farce, and nothing but. The Kosovo situation, for example, would be 'fast-tracked'. Maybe even the 'Presevo situation'. Vojvodina? Who knows. How about open access to our military leadership, for the war crimes tribunal?

No. Twice no, and thrice no.

Lokos

[tony6]

I'm not in detail about Your internal situation but I think that it would be still much better than today "status-quo". Off course muslim minority, Kosovo status and war criminals would cause some problems but how do You think: how long this artificial situtation will last?
Do You really think that "things you would have to do to be eligible" is the high price for peace and normal lifestyle? You have to solve those problems sooner or later anyway.

[Kaapeli]

I'd say No. Not enough time has passed since the last war.
But hopefully later.

[Lokos]

I'm not in detail about Your internal situation but I think that it would be still much better than today "status-quo". Off course muslim minority, Kosovo status and war criminals would cause some problems but how do You think: how long this artificial situtation will last?
Do You really think that "things you would have to do to be eligible" is the high price for peace and normal lifestyle? You have to solve those problems sooner or later anyway.

Our internal problems will be solved only through us. No EU policy maker in Brussels will be hanging over our heads making sure that we comply with the way a good EU 'state' should. That is the luxury a 'No' to the EU buys us.

You've presented your views, I've presented mine, and further discussion on this issue is not necessary.

Lokos

[Rictor]

Should be go with bowed heads to the people who bombed us and annexed sovereign territory? Hmm, good question. I don't know, I just don't know.

Sadly, no one asked. It's more or less inevitable, Serbia just isn't powerful enough to say no. I remember reading that some EU minister said that the choice facing the EU is "enlargement or empire" which I thought to be one of the most ironic things I've ever read.


The report of the International Commission on the Balkans makes clear that the real choice the EU is facing in the Balkans is enlargement or empire. Either the EU devises a bold strategy for accession that could encompass all Balkan countries as new members within the next decade, or it will become mired instead as a neo-colonial power in places like Kosovo, Bosnia, and even Macedonia. Such an anachronism would be hard to manage and would be in contradiction with the very nature of the European Union.

http://opendemocracy.net/democracy-europe_constitution/serbia_2585.jsp

[Wodan]

Should be go with bowed heads to the people who bombed us and annexed sovereign territory? Hmm, good question. I don't know, I just don't know.


/me is proud for the "bombing" and the "annexed sovereign territory", it was a good thing for humanity!!

[Rictor]

Of course it was sunshine, and you're welcome to your opinion, but it's not like you have a stake in the matter one way or another. You talk about it as an abstract, a name on a map, while I talk about it from the position of a citizen of the nation on the receiving end of policies which are crafted and implemented by and for foreigners. Slight difference.

[futurepilot2004]

Not for a long time anyway. The EU will be tied up paying for the 10 new members for a few decades and Serbia and montengro joining would cost too much.

[Inquisitor]

Don't hold your breath.
I'm Montenegrin, my entire family lives in Boka Kotor Bay area...and everybody is against independence. But if it happens, no big deal....Montenegro is to Serbia like Cyprus to Greece, understand?

Recent happenings doesn't say so :roll:

anyways,if you want to continue debating, don't even ask me anything,just think I agree with you...unless you wanna start another balkan ****