German Federal Electoion news/"SED/PDS/Linkspartei"

[Wodan]

The party which formerly led eastern germany SED (sozialistische einheitspartei/socialist unity party), which after 1990 renamed PDS/SED (Partei des demokratischen Sozialismusses/Sozialistische einheitspartei Party of democratic socialism/socialist unity party), and then to PDS (Partei des demokratischen sozialismusses/Party of democratic socialism), now renamed to "Die Linkspartei" (the leftie party)

And they want to work together in the federal elections with the new founded WASG which are left-wing social democrats that splitted off from the Social democratic party, which rules atm in germany in a coalition with green party (Bündnis 90'/Die Grünen)


Atm (july the 17th) it looks like this (forsa institute):
46% CDU/CSU(socialcatholic/economic liberalist/national conservative)
27% SPD (Social democratic, some way like tony blairs labor)
10% Die Linkspartei/WASG (ultra-left)
7% FDP (libertarians)
7% Bündis 90'/Die Grünen (green party)
3% others

with 46%, the CDU/CSU still has 51% of the seats in parliament, as the 3% that are under 5% each, dont get seats in parliament.

so a slight total majority.

Propably it will get down to below of 51% and then have to coalate with the libertarians (which are way less radical than the ones in the usa)


But that would be good, as in the federal council, which has to agree to important laws, there is a majority by conservative-libertarian coalitions, and if the conservatives did get a total majority, they would have to make the agreements with libertarians always outside of the goverment.


The far-left extremist party is a real danger, they want to destroy our nation it seems, here out of the "Bild"-Zeitung of nowadays (its compareable with Sun, but here they are correct:


Berlin – Does Oskar Lafontaine and Gregor Gysi make jerks out of the voters?

Or do they think, they can promise, what they in the end dont really will do?

BILD has calculated: The electoral promises of their leftie party cost un-payable 90 billion euro! And this in times of empty state-purse, and a state-debt of already 1.4 trillion euro!

BILD discovers five unpayable electoral lies of Lafo, Gysi & Co.:

LIE I, Work: The leftie party demands a longer acquisition period of unemployment benefits (8 billion euro). And also an increase of Hartz IV (actually 345 Euro/month in the west, 331 €/Month east), to uniform 420 euro/month. How this shall be financed, isnt said.

LIE II, PENSIONS: The promised minimum-pension of 800 euro for all, who worked 30 years, charges the pension-kitty with 8 to 10 billion Euro. Total freedom of taxation for pension would even cost 13.4 billion euro. Also here the question, that isnt answered by the leftist party: Who shall pay this?

LIE III, children benefit: The demanded increase from 154 to 250 euro would cost 20.4 billion euro. Where want they take this from?

LIE IV, Taxation: An increase of the tax allowance from actually 7664 to 12000 Euro/year would cost despite a increase of the highest tax rate from 42% to 50% cause 6.3 billion euro of tax losses. Also here: how to finance it?

LIE V, INVESTITIONs: The leftie party promises 30 billion euro of state investions for education, culture, environment and public transport. Sounds nice, but sadly unpayable!

Are the germans just gullible? As Emnid institute says, the Leftistparty has already between of 11 and 12 percent!

social studies researcher Prof. Peter Lösche: "The people who vote the leftist party, dont beleave those promises. They just want to get the other partys over by that.
http://www.bild.t-online.de/BTO/news/2005/07/20/linkspartei__luegen/fuenf__luegen__der__linkspartei.html

I dislike bild, not only for their lurid way, but also for other reasons, but the numbers they give are correct.

PS: The green party said it would cost even 150 billion euro more per year, not 90 billion, like this newspaper says, no matter who is right, we already spend way too much, and spending even more cant be the right way!

[JoaMei]

Uhm, Wodan... the german liberal party doesnt have anything in common with what is meant liberal in the US.... :roll:

[Prometheus]

The far-left extremist party is a real danger, they want to destroy our nation

Indeed!

We all should be worried about, that a communist party will probably get 10%+ of the total votes and 30%+ of the votes of the East-Germans. Seems like they want back to the great system of East Germany :roll:

We shouldn't talk about "the danger from the right-wings" they have no chance to enter the parliament. We should talk about the anticonstitutional parties at the left wing. They're a real danger for our country and should be prohibited by the constitutional court immediately.

[Wodan]

Uhm, Wodan... the german liberal party doesnt have anything in common with what is meant liberal in the US.... :roll:

on CDU/CSU I said economic liberalist

liberal party (democrats) in the usa hasnt a liberalist economy policy

and on FDP I said libertarian

so what the **** is your problem?

[Wodan]

The far-left extremist party is a real danger, they want to destroy our nation

Indeed!

We all should be worried about, that a communist party will probably get 10%+ of the total votes and 30%+ of the votes of the East-Germans. Seems like they want back to the great system of East Germany :roll:

We shouldn't talk about "the danger from the right-wings" they have no chance to enter the parliament. We should talk about the anticonstitutional parties at the left wing. They're a real danger for our country and should be prohibited by the constitutional court immediately.

yes, anti constitutional partys, => Die Linkspartei.PDS formerly known as PDS, formerly known as PDS/SED, formerly known as SED, soon be known as Die Linkspartei.

just watch this link, if you think SED is constitutional:
http://www.verfassungsschutz.bayern.de/faltblattserie_vs/6.Kommu.pdf

[afrographX]

ähm lol Die Linkspartei is no sense anti-costitutional. If she would be she wouldn't be allowed to take part in the elections.

And although I myself will not vote for Die Linkspartei it's absolutely understandable that the people in eastern germany whos situation only got worse during 15 years of failed reconstruction policy from Rot-Grün and the Union now turn to a leftist party. You can't expect those people to say: Yeah let's try it another 4 or 8 years and see if the guys who didn't manage to imrpove our situation during the last 15 years will perhaps do so now.

[Freibier]

Cool that Wodan can't vote yet :P

[Wodan]

ähm lol Die Linkspartei is no sense anti-costitutional. If she would be she wouldn't be allowed to take part in the elections.

And although I myself will not vote for Die Linkspartei it's absolutely understandable that the people in eastern germany whos situation only got worse during 15 years of failed reconstruction policy from Rot-Grün and the Union now turn to a leftist party. You can't expect those people to say: Yeah let's try it another 4 or 8 years and see if the guys who didn't manage to imrpove our situation during the last 15 years will perhaps do so now.


Errm... so the NPD is also constitutional?

Social democrats dont want the SED to be banned, as they are their coaliton partner..

Did you at least read the link?

So you can give them false promises, saying that they will get stuff you cant give them?

Thats pretty similar to Kohls "blühende landschaften", ok.. for him we may could say, that he thought it would be possible, even while I dont think that this was is opinion...

[JoaMei]

Cool that Wodan can't vote yet :P

But somehow I already knew that... ;)

[Prometheus]

ähm lol Die Linkspartei is no sense anti-costitutional. If she would be she wouldn't be allowed to take part in the elections.

And although I myself will not vote for Die Linkspartei it's absolutely understandable that the people in eastern germany whos situation only got worse during 15 years of failed reconstruction policy from Rot-Grün and the Union now turn to a leftist party. You can't expect those people to say: Yeah let's try it another 4 or 8 years and see if the guys who didn't manage to imrpove our situation during the last 15 years will perhaps do so now.


Errm... so the NPD is also constitutional?

Social democrats dont want the SED to be banned, as they are their coaliton partner..

Did you at least read the link?

So you can give them false promises, saying that they will get stuff you cant give them?

Thats pretty similar to Kohls "blühende landschaften", ok.. for him we may could say, that he thought it would be possible, even while I dont think that this was is opinion...

^^ what he said

If the "Linkspartei" will ever come to power, it will not be for 4 years, it will be for 40 years. Their goal is the destruction of the democratic order in Germany and the establishment of a neo-communist dictatorship.

As a side note: We did our best to help East-Germany, we've transferd about 1.2 Trillion Euro (!) to East Germany, and the only thing 50% of the East Germans did and still do is moaning that they need more help/money.

Now we can't transfer more money, because West-Germany is nearly financially ruined by these transfers to the East, so they start to elect the communists instead of doing something to improve their situation by their own!