@ Digrar. Request for clear rules on muslim threads.

[fdt]

I posted a thread, You locked it. You point at Your announcement. I look in and I've found no clear explanation on rules of this "anti-muslim-threads" crusade of Yours.

What is a anti muslim thread? Is it such that deals with anything muslim (including fanatic religious motivated terrorism?) or it's a different definition... if so pls enlighten me. If that is Your idea of "AMT"... then no newspaper or TV station would stand such a censorship.

If someone writes or says BS.... and happens to be a muslim shall I:
- postpone the idea of pointing at this BS.... or should I consult You or maybe smth else?

You wrote: will be deleted without notice.... OK, but again I demand rules... to be able to judge myself if smth I want to post fits to "AMT" definition (so far non-existent) or not... this will spare my time and effort.

So, make clear rules or admit that You're playing God.

[BigBaribal]

Good question: just imagine, you are the 11th of September, two aircrafts crashed in the twin-towers and..... all threads about this event locked because they are "muslim threads" :roll:

Btw, has something recently happened in London?


And I can't leave this thread without some Goerge Orwell's quotes:



Everything faded into mist. The past was erased, the erasure was forgotten, the lie became truth. Just once in his life he had possessed -- after the event: that was what counted -- concrete, unmistakable evidence of an act of falsification. He had held it between his fingers for as long as thirty seconds.

Political language is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.


In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

And if all others accepted the lie which the Party imposed-if all records told the same tale-then the lie passed into history and became truth. 'Who controls the past' ran the Party slogan, 'controls the future: who controls the present controls the past. (Chapter 3, Orwell's 1984)

If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever.

En ces temps d'imposture universelle, dire la vérité est un acte révolutionnaire.

Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date. In this way every prediction made by the Party could be shown by documentary evidence to have been correct; nor was any item of news, or any expression of opinion, which conflicted with the needs of the moment, ever allowed to remain on record. All history was a palimpsest, scraped clean and reinscribed exactly as often as was necessary.

One has to belong to the intelligentsia to believe things like that: no ordinary man could be such a fool.

Not merely the validity of experience, but the very existence of external reality, was tacitly denied by their philosophy. The heresy of heresies was common sense.


Very bad things begin always the same, by denying the reality.

[Argyll]

Spare me the sanctamonious preaching..........if you lot don't like what a Moderator has done,then you're perfectly within your rights to leave!!


I'm pretty sure there was a rule about Country bashing/religion bashing......if there isn't then there will be soon.

Not all Muslims support the actions of "extremist and radical Muslims"


I'm not a fan of this part of the forum,all it does is rile people up,it's been the cause of many usets......it's time for the PD&R section to be binned!!!

[BigBaribal]

Spare me the sanctamonious preaching..........if you lot don't like what a Moderator has done,then you're perfectly within your rights to leave!!


I'm pretty sure there was a rule about Country bashing/religion bashing......if there isn't then there will be soon.

Not all Muslims support the actions of "extremist and radical Muslims"


I'm not a fan of this part of the forum,all it does is rile people up,it's been the cause of many usets......it's time for the PD&R section to be binned!!!


Ok, no problem. It's your forum and I respect discipline.

But could you lock too threads against "christian jihadists" and diverse "rightists"?


Edit: I forget, could you lock too threads about France and Euro bashing?

[Argyll]

The new broom is sweeping clean mate,it will not be fixed over night,but it will get fixed!!

[digrar]

The announcement was reasonably clear, new muslim bashing threads will be locked, pick an old muslim thread and run with it.
Prehaps I wasn't clear so I have provided a place for you discuss these topics, if you must here Islam discussion thread. (http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=54681)
BigBaribal if you can point out where there were over 30 of these "christian jihadists" and diverse "rightists" threads posted in a 3 or 4 day period I'd like to see it. You blokes went over the top and you are getting heavy handed moderating in response.
I'm with Argyll on his opinion of this section, we'd be bettor off without it.

[Hawkeye]

This is moderating

Have you guys checked the threads laughing at Palestinians killing eachother? Cause I think it's a bit the same as described here.

[BigBaribal]

BigBaribal if you can point out where there were over 30 of these "christian jihadists" and diverse "rightists" threads posted in a 3 or 4 day period I'd like to see it.

I've been targeted so many times in the "you, nazi" way (1) and I never seen any reactions from the moderation, in spite of this is contrary to the forum rules to make personal attacks in such an ugly way.




(1) to say the truth, I don't care of it at all, but it's for the general coherence. Either you respect everybody, or you respect nobody.

[BigBaribal]

This is moderating

Have you guys checked the threads laughing at Palestinians killing eachother? Cause I think it's a bit the same as described here.



I can also say that I always found totally disgusting the usual comments accompanying vids showing killing of Iraki rebels. In my opinion, this has to be moderated too.

[EasyC]

mp.net = Military Photos.

that is all.

[Argyll]

BB,

I agree,it's the same people all the time who are jingoistic,and euphoric,I don't agree with posting such video's without showing those of the opposite,but nobody will agree to this


This site is in decline,and it needs a facelift to make it healthy again!!

[Brentmeister]

mp.net = Military Photos.

that is all.

Whether MP.net should be a narrow based niche forum or a traffic driven discussion forum is Hoods call. Hoods choice whether to run MP.net as a Club or a Business is his decision alone. From a personal standpoint i would leave things as they are. To what purpose would it serve banning non military discussions? If you prefer not to discuss such matters i suggest you join Vote for Pedro in the photo section. Much safer there and nobody gets hurt.

[BigBaribal]

mp.net = Military Photos.

that is all.


You're right and I must say I somehow understand the concern of the moderation.

But we hear since three years that we are in a supposed "war against terror", so on a military forum speaking of war matters, how can you speak of this "war on terror" without speaking of one of the main parameters of this war.

I must say this would oblige to strong mental and dialectical "aerobatics" :lol:

[ibstolidude]

BB,
I don't agree with posting such video's without showing those of the opposite,but nobody will agree to this

I'm not a big fan of posting either type of vids and have deleted both. As you too have certainly experienced, after watching people painfully squirm in their own blood as they bleed out or smelling burnt human flesh - sitting around watching vids of people dying isn't all that funny, especially given the glee that many here express.

Vids that can offer some time of eduction or help people cross a learning curve are one thing - but the fascination some people have of watching people simply get mangled, watching for no reason other than amusement is nuts.

[Miles.]

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=54448&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

"European's take on NASA"

This thread with is allowed to run, with all kinds of nation-bashing and personal insults.

Yet, 3 "anti-Muslim" threads have been locked with 3-6 posts. If your objective is to lock the threads before Brentmeister can post in them, it's working. But, as brought up in another thread, there are really no rules, as far as what is an acceptable topic or thread. We just get a link to "Muslim threads" announcement.

My humble suggestion: Do away with Political section completely, or let it ride. It's not helping anything to just lock threads with no apparent cause, just because it is within a broad topic.

And the "Islam discussion thread" is a horrid attempt at compensation. We don't have "Tank discussion thread", "Iraq discussion thread", or any other generalized topic. Most threads here begin with a specific subject, and then once discussed, mushrooms into a wide-ranging discussion (or flame war). To say, "ok, discuss Islam here" is not going to promote discussion, since there is nothing to discuss.

[Navy]

question to the mods: and WHEN will the french-bashing be gone?

[Clarsachier]

Is there any way that we could include 'the French', in with 'the Muslims'
so far as the MP.net 'anti ethnic bashing initiative' is concerned.

Hec, some of us even consider 'the French' allies.

Thanks for your time.

[henksmoeder]

The mods made a good temporary decision. The ratio antichristian : antimuslim threads is like 1:5 or something. Most people here who are bashing muslims have never spoke to one and only post FOX news bullsh*t about how evil they all are. It's nearing the line where mp.net will be labelled as a blatant racist forum instead of a forum were people unite to post and watch military pics. Thx mods. Hope that sentiments will cool down and people start looking into the other side, so that the rule will become unnecessary in the long run.

Know your adversary before judging him.

[von_Moo142]

Is there any way that we could include 'the French', in with 'the Muslims'
so far as the MP.net 'anti ethnic bashing initiative' is concerned.

Hec, some of us even consider 'the French' allies.

Thanks for your time.

It would be nice to be able to see pictures of the French forces, or read about their history, without the usual jokers stating their opinions. A little bit of good natured banter is one thing, but it's sometimes more like bitterness and ill-informed prejudice.

[Legion]

The mods made a good temporary decision. The ratio antichristian : antimuslim threads is like 1:5 or something. Most people here who are bashing muslims have never spoke to one and only post FOX news bullsh*t about how evil they all are. It's nearing the line where mp.net will be labelled as a blatant racist forum instead of a forum were people unite to post and watch military pics. Thx mods. Hope that sentiments will cool down and people start looking into the other side, so that the rule will become unnecessary in the long run.

Know your adversary before judging him.

K. Here's a few stories that aren't from Fox news. Really hard to find because, as we all know, Fox news is the root of all evil.

U.S. warns Americans in Saudi Arabia

From Elise Labott
CNN Washington Bureau

Wednesday, July 20, 2005; Posted: 12:21 p.m. EDT (16:21 GMT)

(CNN) -- The U.S. Embassy in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, warned Wednesday that more terrorist attacks could be in the works in the kingdom.

The embassy issued a warden's message, or advisory, to the American community in Saudi Arabia saying that it "has received indications of operational planning for a terrorist attack or attacks in the kingdom."

The statement posted on the embassy's Web site said there was "no specific information concerning timing, target or method" of possible attacks but noted that terrorists previously have targeted housing compounds and other places for Westerners as well as Saudi government facilities.

"In addition to car bombs and armed assaults involving multiple gunmen against such facilities, terrorists have used ambush attacks to kidnap and/or assassinate individual Westerners," the advisory warned.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/07/20/ussaudi.warning/index.html


'Modern Slavery' Flourishes
When Judy left her home on the southern coast of the Philippines this spring, it was her first trip abroad and her first time on an airplane. She was excited, nervous, and sad all at once.

Like many young Filipina women before her, awaiting her in Kuwait was the promise of a good job and enough money to support her family and save for school. She was to become a nanny and tutor to a young boy.

But on her first day working for the Kuwaiti family for whom she had been hired by a recruiting office in Mindanao, Philippines, her excitement quickly turned to fear.

Her new 'Mama' - what Asian maids in the Gulf call their female sponsors - told her, " 'I don't like you, you are ugly,' " says Judy, who didn't give her last name, in an interview at the Philippine labor attache's office in Kuwait. "I didn't understand what was going on. I just wanted to cry."
Work began at 5 a.m. and ended at midnight. "I washed clothes, cleaned the floors, scrubbed toilets and sinks and bathrooms. And just kept doing that over and over again," she says. "All this and no food, no rest."

One day she waited until her sponsor was out, then packed a bag, and escaped to the Philippine Embassy joining hundreds of other Filipina women who have run away from their Kuwaiti employers to seek sanctuary at the Overseas' Workers' Administration at the embassy.

Unable to leave until her sponsor pays her back wages because she cannot afford to buy a plane ticket home, Judy and the other women spend their days sitting in the embassy, unable to get another job and unable to go home.

Thousands of men, women, and children, most of them from Asia, will be trafficked to the Gulf this year to live as what the US State Department calls "modern day slaves." Most won't know until they get here what lies in store for them and hundreds will, like Judy, flee their employers, suffer physical, emotional and/or ****** abuse, and go home empty-handed.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/07/19/world/main709900.shtml


Experts Say Suicide Mission in United States Is Inevitable
Following London Attacks, Small, Insular Jihadi Networks Seen as Big Threat
terrorism

Some terrorism experts fear the sudden appearance of jihadi violence in Europe will spread to U.S. shores. (ABC / AP)
By CHARLOTTE SECTOR

July 18, 2005 — Suicide attacks have been around for decades, but the string of blasts that paralyzed London on July 7 marked the first time the tactic has been used in Western Europe. Experts say the bombings are a wake-up call to all European countries and the United States — states geographically removed from conflict areas where suicide bombings are common.

http://a.abcnews.com/images/International/abc_illo_jihad_terrorists_050715_t.jpg

Bruce Newsome, a terrorism researcher at the think tank RAND, said the plot carried out by four men in London is a "likely model for future U.S. attacks." The bombers, all British citizens, had no criminal records, weren't on any watch lists and had no extremist pasts. (A fifth man, believed to be the mastermind of the plot, has been arrested in Egypt.) Tracking such potential perpetrators is nearly impossible because there are no warning signs, Newsome said.

For a long time, Brits reassured themselves that because the United Kingdom was liberal and a safe haven to fundamentalist Muslims, it would never become a target, Newsome explained. Although intelligence forces have been good at thwarting past attempts of attack on Britons, Brits still remain No. 3 on the al Qaeda hit list (after Americans and Jews), he said. British Prime Minister Tony Blair has been President Bush's closest ally in fighting the war on terror and in Iraq.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=942343&page=1

It seems to be stories like this that get threads locked, even if there is no overtly anti-muslim storyline. It's just news.

[California Joe]

question to the mods: and WHEN will the french-bashing be gone?

When retards quit finding it funny I guess. I don't know how many times I've locked threads or warned idiots over the same old tired bull****. The insults are always from people that would run squealing like girls if confronted with an actual BTDT French soldier. So if you notice it again, as always, PM me or the other Mods and we'll take care of it.

[Geezah]

Also, lets not forget the anti-Geezah threads, there have been a few in the past and I would like to see these locked p-)

Also, when is HotLips going to post more often, too much test......testo....testos.... to hell with it, ********s.

[Legion]

Also, lets not forget the anti-Geezah threads, there have been a few in the past and I would like to see these locked p-)

Redneck gun nut wannabe p-)

[henksmoeder]

The mods made a good temporary decision. The ratio antichristian : antimuslim threads is like 1:5 or something. Most people here who are bashing muslims have never spoke to one and only post FOX news bullsh*t about how evil they all are. It's nearing the line where mp.net will be labelled as a blatant racist forum instead of a forum were people unite to post and watch military pics. Thx mods. Hope that sentiments will cool down and people start looking into the other side, so that the rule will become unnecessary in the long run.

Know your adversary before judging him.

K. Here's a few stories that aren't from Fox news. Really hard to find because, as we all know, Fox news is the root of all evil.

U.S. warns Americans in Saudi Arabia

From Elise Labott
CNN Washington Bureau

Wednesday, July 20, 2005; Posted: 12:21 p.m. EDT (16:21 GMT)

(CNN) -- The U.S. Embassy in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, warned Wednesday that more terrorist attacks could be in the works in the kingdom.

The embassy issued a warden's message, or advisory, to the American community in Saudi Arabia saying that it "has received indications of operational planning for a terrorist attack or attacks in the kingdom."

The statement posted on the embassy's Web site said there was "no specific information concerning timing, target or method" of possible attacks but noted that terrorists previously have targeted housing compounds and other places for Westerners as well as Saudi government facilities.

"In addition to car bombs and armed assaults involving multiple gunmen against such facilities, terrorists have used ambush attacks to kidnap and/or assassinate individual Westerners," the advisory warned.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/07/20/ussaudi.warning/index.html


'Modern Slavery' Flourishes
When Judy left her home on the southern coast of the Philippines this spring, it was her first trip abroad and her first time on an airplane. She was excited, nervous, and sad all at once.

Like many young Filipina women before her, awaiting her in Kuwait was the promise of a good job and enough money to support her family and save for school. She was to become a nanny and tutor to a young boy.

But on her first day working for the Kuwaiti family for whom she had been hired by a recruiting office in Mindanao, Philippines, her excitement quickly turned to fear.

Her new 'Mama' - what Asian maids in the Gulf call their female sponsors - told her, " 'I don't like you, you are ugly,' " says Judy, who didn't give her last name, in an interview at the Philippine labor attache's office in Kuwait. "I didn't understand what was going on. I just wanted to cry."
Work began at 5 a.m. and ended at midnight. "I washed clothes, cleaned the floors, scrubbed toilets and sinks and bathrooms. And just kept doing that over and over again," she says. "All this and no food, no rest."

One day she waited until her sponsor was out, then packed a bag, and escaped to the Philippine Embassy joining hundreds of other Filipina women who have run away from their Kuwaiti employers to seek sanctuary at the Overseas' Workers' Administration at the embassy.

Unable to leave until her sponsor pays her back wages because she cannot afford to buy a plane ticket home, Judy and the other women spend their days sitting in the embassy, unable to get another job and unable to go home.

Thousands of men, women, and children, most of them from Asia, will be trafficked to the Gulf this year to live as what the US State Department calls "modern day slaves." Most won't know until they get here what lies in store for them and hundreds will, like Judy, flee their employers, suffer physical, emotional and/or ****** abuse, and go home empty-handed.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/07/19/world/main709900.shtml


Experts Say Suicide Mission in United States Is Inevitable
Following London Attacks, Small, Insular Jihadi Networks Seen as Big Threat
terrorism

Some terrorism experts fear the sudden appearance of jihadi violence in Europe will spread to U.S. shores. (ABC / AP)
By CHARLOTTE SECTOR

July 18, 2005 — Suicide attacks have been around for decades, but the string of blasts that paralyzed London on July 7 marked the first time the tactic has been used in Western Europe. Experts say the bombings are a wake-up call to all European countries and the United States — states geographically removed from conflict areas where suicide bombings are common.

http://a.abcnews.com/images/International/abc_illo_jihad_terrorists_050715_t.jpg

Bruce Newsome, a terrorism researcher at the think tank RAND, said the plot carried out by four men in London is a "likely model for future U.S. attacks." The bombers, all British citizens, had no criminal records, weren't on any watch lists and had no extremist pasts. (A fifth man, believed to be the mastermind of the plot, has been arrested in Egypt.) Tracking such potential perpetrators is nearly impossible because there are no warning signs, Newsome said.

For a long time, Brits reassured themselves that because the United Kingdom was liberal and a safe haven to fundamentalist Muslims, it would never become a target, Newsome explained. Although intelligence forces have been good at thwarting past attempts of attack on Britons, Brits still remain No. 3 on the al Qaeda hit list (after Americans and Jews), he said. British Prime Minister Tony Blair has been President Bush's closest ally in fighting the war on terror and in Iraq.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=942343&page=1

It seems to be stories like this that get threads locked, even if there is no overtly anti-muslim storyline. It's just news.

Do you consciously miss the point of my post or are you just plain stupid?

[Geezah]

The mods made a good temporary decision. The ratio antichristian : antimuslim threads is like 1:5 or something. Most people here who are bashing muslims have never spoke to one and only post FOX news bullsh*t about how evil they all are. It's nearing the line where mp.net will be labelled as a blatant racist forum instead of a forum were people unite to post and watch military pics. Thx mods. Hope that sentiments will cool down and people start looking into the other side, so that the rule will become unnecessary in the long run.

Know your adversary before judging him.

K. Here's a few stories that aren't from Fox news. Really hard to find because, as we all know, Fox news is the root of all evil.

U.S. warns Americans in Saudi Arabia

From Elise Labott
CNN Washington Bureau

Wednesday, July 20, 2005; Posted: 12:21 p.m. EDT (16:21 GMT)

(CNN) -- The U.S. Embassy in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, warned Wednesday that more terrorist attacks could be in the works in the kingdom.

The embassy issued a warden's message, or advisory, to the American community in Saudi Arabia saying that it "has received indications of operational planning for a terrorist attack or attacks in the kingdom."

The statement posted on the embassy's Web site said there was "no specific information concerning timing, target or method" of possible attacks but noted that terrorists previously have targeted housing compounds and other places for Westerners as well as Saudi government facilities.

"In addition to car bombs and armed assaults involving multiple gunmen against such facilities, terrorists have used ambush attacks to kidnap and/or assassinate individual Westerners," the advisory warned.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/07/20/ussaudi.warning/index.html


'Modern Slavery' Flourishes
When Judy left her home on the southern coast of the Philippines this spring, it was her first trip abroad and her first time on an airplane. She was excited, nervous, and sad all at once.

Like many young Filipina women before her, awaiting her in Kuwait was the promise of a good job and enough money to support her family and save for school. She was to become a nanny and tutor to a young boy.

But on her first day working for the Kuwaiti family for whom she had been hired by a recruiting office in Mindanao, Philippines, her excitement quickly turned to fear.

Her new 'Mama' - what Asian maids in the Gulf call their female sponsors - told her, " 'I don't like you, you are ugly,' " says Judy, who didn't give her last name, in an interview at the Philippine labor attache's office in Kuwait. "I didn't understand what was going on. I just wanted to cry."
Work began at 5 a.m. and ended at midnight. "I washed clothes, cleaned the floors, scrubbed toilets and sinks and bathrooms. And just kept doing that over and over again," she says. "All this and no food, no rest."

One day she waited until her sponsor was out, then packed a bag, and escaped to the Philippine Embassy joining hundreds of other Filipina women who have run away from their Kuwaiti employers to seek sanctuary at the Overseas' Workers' Administration at the embassy.

Unable to leave until her sponsor pays her back wages because she cannot afford to buy a plane ticket home, Judy and the other women spend their days sitting in the embassy, unable to get another job and unable to go home.

Thousands of men, women, and children, most of them from Asia, will be trafficked to the Gulf this year to live as what the US State Department calls "modern day slaves." Most won't know until they get here what lies in store for them and hundreds will, like Judy, flee their employers, suffer physical, emotional and/or ****** abuse, and go home empty-handed.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/07/19/world/main709900.shtml


Experts Say Suicide Mission in United States Is Inevitable
Following London Attacks, Small, Insular Jihadi Networks Seen as Big Threat
terrorism

Some terrorism experts fear the sudden appearance of jihadi violence in Europe will spread to U.S. shores. (ABC / AP)
By CHARLOTTE SECTOR

July 18, 2005 — Suicide attacks have been around for decades, but the string of blasts that paralyzed London on July 7 marked the first time the tactic has been used in Western Europe. Experts say the bombings are a wake-up call to all European countries and the United States — states geographically removed from conflict areas where suicide bombings are common.

http://a.abcnews.com/images/International/abc_illo_jihad_terrorists_050715_t.jpg

Bruce Newsome, a terrorism researcher at the think tank RAND, said the plot carried out by four men in London is a "likely model for future U.S. attacks." The bombers, all British citizens, had no criminal records, weren't on any watch lists and had no extremist pasts. (A fifth man, believed to be the mastermind of the plot, has been arrested in Egypt.) Tracking such potential perpetrators is nearly impossible because there are no warning signs, Newsome said.

For a long time, Brits reassured themselves that because the United Kingdom was liberal and a safe haven to fundamentalist Muslims, it would never become a target, Newsome explained. Although intelligence forces have been good at thwarting past attempts of attack on Britons, Brits still remain No. 3 on the al Qaeda hit list (after Americans and Jews), he said. British Prime Minister Tony Blair has been President Bush's closest ally in fighting the war on terror and in Iraq.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=942343&page=1

It seems to be stories like this that get threads locked, even if there is no overtly anti-muslim storyline. It's just news.

Do you consciously miss the point of my post or are you just plain stupid?

I would say it was in response to this comment?


Most people here who are bashing muslims have never spoke to one and only post FOX news bullsh*t about how evil they all are.

[Legion]

The mods made a good temporary decision. The ratio antichristian : antimuslim threads is like 1:5 or something. Most people here who are bashing muslims have never spoke to one and only post FOX news bullsh*t about how evil they all are. It's nearing the line where mp.net will be labelled as a blatant racist forum instead of a forum were people unite to post and watch military pics. Thx mods. Hope that sentiments will cool down and people start looking into the other side, so that the rule will become unnecessary in the long run.

Know your adversary before judging him.

K. Here's a few stories that aren't from Fox news. Really hard to find because, as we all know, Fox news is the root of all evil.

U.S. warns Americans in Saudi Arabia

From Elise Labott
CNN Washington Bureau

Wednesday, July 20, 2005; Posted: 12:21 p.m. EDT (16:21 GMT)

(CNN) -- The U.S. Embassy in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, warned Wednesday that more terrorist attacks could be in the works in the kingdom.

The embassy issued a warden's message, or advisory, to the American community in Saudi Arabia saying that it "has received indications of operational planning for a terrorist attack or attacks in the kingdom."

The statement posted on the embassy's Web site said there was "no specific information concerning timing, target or method" of possible attacks but noted that terrorists previously have targeted housing compounds and other places for Westerners as well as Saudi government facilities.

"In addition to car bombs and armed assaults involving multiple gunmen against such facilities, terrorists have used ambush attacks to kidnap and/or assassinate individual Westerners," the advisory warned.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/07/20/ussaudi.warning/index.html


'Modern Slavery' Flourishes
When Judy left her home on the southern coast of the Philippines this spring, it was her first trip abroad and her first time on an airplane. She was excited, nervous, and sad all at once.

Like many young Filipina women before her, awaiting her in Kuwait was the promise of a good job and enough money to support her family and save for school. She was to become a nanny and tutor to a young boy.

But on her first day working for the Kuwaiti family for whom she had been hired by a recruiting office in Mindanao, Philippines, her excitement quickly turned to fear.

Her new 'Mama' - what Asian maids in the Gulf call their female sponsors - told her, " 'I don't like you, you are ugly,' " says Judy, who didn't give her last name, in an interview at the Philippine labor attache's office in Kuwait. "I didn't understand what was going on. I just wanted to cry."
Work began at 5 a.m. and ended at midnight. "I washed clothes, cleaned the floors, scrubbed toilets and sinks and bathrooms. And just kept doing that over and over again," she says. "All this and no food, no rest."

One day she waited until her sponsor was out, then packed a bag, and escaped to the Philippine Embassy joining hundreds of other Filipina women who have run away from their Kuwaiti employers to seek sanctuary at the Overseas' Workers' Administration at the embassy.

Unable to leave until her sponsor pays her back wages because she cannot afford to buy a plane ticket home, Judy and the other women spend their days sitting in the embassy, unable to get another job and unable to go home.

Thousands of men, women, and children, most of them from Asia, will be trafficked to the Gulf this year to live as what the US State Department calls "modern day slaves." Most won't know until they get here what lies in store for them and hundreds will, like Judy, flee their employers, suffer physical, emotional and/or ****** abuse, and go home empty-handed.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/07/19/world/main709900.shtml


Experts Say Suicide Mission in United States Is Inevitable
Following London Attacks, Small, Insular Jihadi Networks Seen as Big Threat
terrorism

Some terrorism experts fear the sudden appearance of jihadi violence in Europe will spread to U.S. shores. (ABC / AP)
By CHARLOTTE SECTOR

July 18, 2005 — Suicide attacks have been around for decades, but the string of blasts that paralyzed London on July 7 marked the first time the tactic has been used in Western Europe. Experts say the bombings are a wake-up call to all European countries and the United States — states geographically removed from conflict areas where suicide bombings are common.

http://a.abcnews.com/images/International/abc_illo_jihad_terrorists_050715_t.jpg

Bruce Newsome, a terrorism researcher at the think tank RAND, said the plot carried out by four men in London is a "likely model for future U.S. attacks." The bombers, all British citizens, had no criminal records, weren't on any watch lists and had no extremist pasts. (A fifth man, believed to be the mastermind of the plot, has been arrested in Egypt.) Tracking such potential perpetrators is nearly impossible because there are no warning signs, Newsome said.

For a long time, Brits reassured themselves that because the United Kingdom was liberal and a safe haven to fundamentalist Muslims, it would never become a target, Newsome explained. Although intelligence forces have been good at thwarting past attempts of attack on Britons, Brits still remain No. 3 on the al Qaeda hit list (after Americans and Jews), he said. British Prime Minister Tony Blair has been President Bush's closest ally in fighting the war on terror and in Iraq.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=942343&page=1

It seems to be stories like this that get threads locked, even if there is no overtly anti-muslim storyline. It's just news.

Do you consciously miss the point of my post or are you just plain stupid?

I would say it was in response to this comment?


Most people here who are bashing muslims have never spoke to one and only post FOX news bullsh*t about how evil they all are.

Yep, he's correct.

And I'm stupid. :roll:

[henksmoeder]

The mods made a good temporary decision. The ratio antichristian : antimuslim threads is like 1:5 or something. Most people here who are bashing muslims have never spoke to one and only post FOX news bullsh*t about how evil they all are. It's nearing the line where mp.net will be labelled as a blatant racist forum instead of a forum were people unite to post and watch military pics. Thx mods. Hope that sentiments will cool down and people start looking into the other side, so that the rule will become unnecessary in the long run.

Know your adversary before judging him.

K. Here's a few stories that aren't from Fox news. Really hard to find because, as we all know, Fox news is the root of all evil.

U.S. warns Americans in Saudi Arabia

From Elise Labott
CNN Washington Bureau

Wednesday, July 20, 2005; Posted: 12:21 p.m. EDT (16:21 GMT)

(CNN) -- The U.S. Embassy in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia, warned Wednesday that more terrorist attacks could be in the works in the kingdom.

The embassy issued a warden's message, or advisory, to the American community in Saudi Arabia saying that it "has received indications of operational planning for a terrorist attack or attacks in the kingdom."

The statement posted on the embassy's Web site said there was "no specific information concerning timing, target or method" of possible attacks but noted that terrorists previously have targeted housing compounds and other places for Westerners as well as Saudi government facilities.

"In addition to car bombs and armed assaults involving multiple gunmen against such facilities, terrorists have used ambush attacks to kidnap and/or assassinate individual Westerners," the advisory warned.
http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/07/20/ussaudi.warning/index.html


'Modern Slavery' Flourishes
When Judy left her home on the southern coast of the Philippines this spring, it was her first trip abroad and her first time on an airplane. She was excited, nervous, and sad all at once.

Like many young Filipina women before her, awaiting her in Kuwait was the promise of a good job and enough money to support her family and save for school. She was to become a nanny and tutor to a young boy.

But on her first day working for the Kuwaiti family for whom she had been hired by a recruiting office in Mindanao, Philippines, her excitement quickly turned to fear.

Her new 'Mama' - what Asian maids in the Gulf call their female sponsors - told her, " 'I don't like you, you are ugly,' " says Judy, who didn't give her last name, in an interview at the Philippine labor attache's office in Kuwait. "I didn't understand what was going on. I just wanted to cry."
Work began at 5 a.m. and ended at midnight. "I washed clothes, cleaned the floors, scrubbed toilets and sinks and bathrooms. And just kept doing that over and over again," she says. "All this and no food, no rest."

One day she waited until her sponsor was out, then packed a bag, and escaped to the Philippine Embassy joining hundreds of other Filipina women who have run away from their Kuwaiti employers to seek sanctuary at the Overseas' Workers' Administration at the embassy.

Unable to leave until her sponsor pays her back wages because she cannot afford to buy a plane ticket home, Judy and the other women spend their days sitting in the embassy, unable to get another job and unable to go home.

Thousands of men, women, and children, most of them from Asia, will be trafficked to the Gulf this year to live as what the US State Department calls "modern day slaves." Most won't know until they get here what lies in store for them and hundreds will, like Judy, flee their employers, suffer physical, emotional and/or ****** abuse, and go home empty-handed.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/07/19/world/main709900.shtml


Experts Say Suicide Mission in United States Is Inevitable
Following London Attacks, Small, Insular Jihadi Networks Seen as Big Threat
terrorism

Some terrorism experts fear the sudden appearance of jihadi violence in Europe will spread to U.S. shores. (ABC / AP)
By CHARLOTTE SECTOR

July 18, 2005 — Suicide attacks have been around for decades, but the string of blasts that paralyzed London on July 7 marked the first time the tactic has been used in Western Europe. Experts say the bombings are a wake-up call to all European countries and the United States — states geographically removed from conflict areas where suicide bombings are common.

http://a.abcnews.com/images/International/abc_illo_jihad_terrorists_050715_t.jpg

Bruce Newsome, a terrorism researcher at the think tank RAND, said the plot carried out by four men in London is a "likely model for future U.S. attacks." The bombers, all British citizens, had no criminal records, weren't on any watch lists and had no extremist pasts. (A fifth man, believed to be the mastermind of the plot, has been arrested in Egypt.) Tracking such potential perpetrators is nearly impossible because there are no warning signs, Newsome said.

For a long time, Brits reassured themselves that because the United Kingdom was liberal and a safe haven to fundamentalist Muslims, it would never become a target, Newsome explained. Although intelligence forces have been good at thwarting past attempts of attack on Britons, Brits still remain No. 3 on the al Qaeda hit list (after Americans and Jews), he said. British Prime Minister Tony Blair has been President Bush's closest ally in fighting the war on terror and in Iraq.
http://abcnews.go.com/International/story?id=942343&page=1

It seems to be stories like this that get threads locked, even if there is no overtly anti-muslim storyline. It's just news.

Do you consciously miss the point of my post or are you just plain stupid?

I would say it was in response to this comment?


Most people here who are bashing muslims have never spoke to one and only post FOX news bullsh*t about how evil they all are.

Yep, he's correct.

And I'm stupid. :roll:

Apparantly yes. :roll: Once again, the parts you (or Geezah) made bold are not the message of my post. You can pick on details, but it's not about fox specifically. It's about the antimuslim : antichristian posts being out of proportion and thus the decision being a good one.

No wonder that people get a postcount of over 8000. You have to explain everything for some people thrice.

[fdt]

It's about the antimuslim : antichristian posts being out of proportion and thus the decision being a good one.


Hmmm... A question of proportions You say... Ok then... what are the desirable proportions of post topics in a section called "Political Discussions and Rants"?

Isn't that obvious that after the London tragedy ALL media are full of the "muslim related" (not necessary anti-muslim) material... and therefore it is a cause of TEMPORARY overrepresentation of related threads? 60-70% of the threads in this section begins with some quotation from press, net or TV... and this is a normal modus operandi here. Why then instead of wait this TEMPORARY trend off , mods have to introduce some extraordinary measures? If those are extraordinary measures I just want to know what is not welcomed/forbidden and what is not...

Aha... one more issue... is this AMT rule for ever or temporary? Does it apply per analogiam to other nations, religions, denominations, sexes, gays?

regards

[Hydro]

Also, lets not forget the anti-Geezah threads, there have been a few in the past and I would like to see these locked p-)

Redneck gun nut wannabe p-)

If, as some of Geezahs posts suggest, he really originates from Guildford, then there's no wannabe about his redneckness :)

[Bia]

The insults are always from people that would run squealing like girls if confronted with an actual BTDT French soldier.
I'm a girl and wouldn't run squealing. ;)

Seriously though....I would never randomly badmouth a soldier.
Soldiers are the pride of any nation....especially nations with volunteer Armys.

Is the French military drafted or volunteers?

[Atlantic Friend]

Is the French military drafted or volunteers?

It used to be a mix of both, with heavily "conscription" units where people did their militray service, and heavily professionnalized ones used for overseas deployment.

Militray service was suspended - not abandoned - in 1995, so now all units are professionalized and rely on volunteers who are offered the usual cocktail of adventure and technical training depending on their academic background.

The CIA has a world factbook on their webiste which can be used to get some basic information about French armed forces. You can also have a look at www.nationmaster.com (not sure whether it's .com, .net or .org) which has statistics about defense topics for France and a large number of other countries. Finally, ther's the Defense Ministry website, accessible at www.defense.gouv.fr. Its has a comprehensive presentation of the weapon systems in service, under construction or planned.

[callous]

henksmoeder have you ever watched FOX news?

[henksmoeder]

henksmoeder have you ever watched FOX news?

Yes

[Umm-Qasr]

You know what, I absolutely don't mind to discuss various aspects of Islam and Muslims. Ofcourse does the Islamic world have its problems and it would be dumb not to discuss them. The only thing I don't like is people starting bashing and trolling without any good reason or when it does not contribute to the discussion. And it seems that some users aren't even interested in maybe hearing some views from the other side.

[Para]

An open and frank discussion is one thing and many people will happily join in, but with a small number of people it has turned almost in to a Crusade. As soon as thread is exhausted about the Muslims then they will start another one and chew over all the same arguments that they did in the last one. The Moderator is right to step in and reduce these threads in number.

[Geezah]

Also, lets not forget the anti-Geezah threads, there have been a few in the past and I would like to see these locked p-)

Redneck gun nut wannabe p-)

If, as some of Geezahs posts suggest, he really originates from Guildford, then there's no wannabe about his redneckness :)

I'm not from Guildford, I was born in West Middlesex hospital in Isleworth, then lived in Old Isleworth(just outside of St Margarets) just up the road from Mogden, we moved from there to Whitton(outside Hounslow) then out to Cobham. I moved back into London, living in the Stamford Brook area. Prior to this though while I lived in Cobham my ex lived just off Roehampton Lane, so I was knocking around with people from the Barnes, Putney, Isleworth, Hounslow, Richmond and Ladbroke grove area. Also had friends that lived in High Barnet.

But where does Guildford come into this, one of my mates from Cobham was seeing a bird from Godalming, plus when I was skating we skated a few spots down there(loved the train station), also I went out with a bird for a short stint that lived the other side of Godalming but this was years ago. So to answer your original question, I'm not really from Guildford just been there a few times.

[Legion]

Apparantly yes. :roll: Once again, the parts you (or Geezah) made bold are not the message of my post. You can pick on details, but it's not about fox specifically. It's about the antimuslim : antichristian posts being out of proportion and thus the decision being a good one.

No wonder that people get a postcount of over 8000. You have to explain everything for some people thrice.

But your post was partially about Fox news, yes? That seemed to be the part I was addressing.
The truth of the matter is blaming Fox news is the equivalent of calling people Nazi’s when they want to discuss things like illegal immigration or Muslim extremism. Are there people who use a tread about terror to unfairly bash Muslims (uh oh I feel a thread lock coming) absolutely. And those who do, should be addressed. But I dare you to find a single post in this forum where I have made a racist remark. I, among others here, fell that an open discussion about the issues that are in the media may indeed help us understand fully what is going on. Especially when you have those that have personal experience with the events at hand.

So rather than using the crutch of "Fox news bad" or you are a Nazi, lets get to the core of things and discuss the actual issue.

[henksmoeder]

Apparantly yes. :roll: Once again, the parts you (or Geezah) made bold are not the message of my post. You can pick on details, but it's not about fox specifically. It's about the antimuslim : antichristian posts being out of proportion and thus the decision being a good one.

No wonder that people get a postcount of over 8000. You have to explain everything for some people thrice.

But your post was partially about Fox news, yes? That seemed to be the part I was addressing.
The truth of the matter is blaming Fox news is the equivalent of calling people Nazi’s when they want to discuss things like illegal immigration or Muslim extremism. Are there people who use a tread about terror to unfairly bash Muslims (uh oh I feel a thread lock coming) absolutely. And those who do, should be addressed. But I dare you to find a single post in this forum where I have made a racist remark. I, among others here, fell that an open discussion about the issues that are in the media may indeed help us understand fully what is going on. Especially when you have those that have personal experience with the events at hand.

So rather than using the crutch of "Fox news bad" or you are a Nazi, lets get to the core of things and discuss the actual issue.

Now we're getting somewhere. Yes, I agree, an open discussion is always good, especially if the end goal is to understand more from both sides! I didn't accuse you particularly of racist remakrs either. THe FOX news anology I used to illustrate the people posting unbalanced articles just troll around and not willing to learn anything from an other side. Untill these trolls stop trolling, the current measure might be good for a while.

[Thor]

Well, as for my opinion.. I have to join the people who think some sections here have turned into safe havens for leftwing terrorist sympathizers. Sad to see.

[henksmoeder]

Well, as for my opinion.. I have to join the people who think some sections here have turned into safe havens for leftwing terrorist sympathizers. Sad to see.

Come on, man. Any clear-thinking individual can see that MP.net is mostly populated with people right of the center. It's not secret. A bit opposition from some leftist posers and all of the sudden mp.net is "safe haven for leftwing terrorist sympathizers.

[BlackRain]

Well, as for my opinion.. I have to join the people who think some sections here have turned into safe havens for leftwing terrorist sympathizers. Sad to see.

Unfortunately, another major event occurs in London and you may not discuss it openly without any mention of the actual identity of the perpetrators. Just a matter of time before this thread is locked and further discussion is banned even though it was a guerrilla military operation.

[fdt]

Ok. I turn on TV, I hear the news... then a bit later I come to MP.net and what I see...?

In section "General Discussion" there I find 2 posts about the events in London

Reportly another Terrorist attack in London underground. - LOCKED

(UK) Tube cleared after small blasts - LOCKED

The only two posts locked on page No 1 of the section.

I look further and I see that the thread (You know who posted it) titled:

US troops are using Iraqi children as Human Shields.

....is alive and kicking.

...... :roll: ............... :roll: .................... :roll: ................... rofl

Dear mods, when You apply new extraordinary rules of so called "heavy handed moderating" pls try to make You job easier by setting the rules of such an action... Don't You see that we are now about to reach the edge of PC parody?

http://members.tripod.com/DeadParrot6000/monty/trafficlights.gif

BS is spreading? Various morons gone mad and spam MP.net? etc etc ... Wack them! I understand, sometimes it's necessary to tame some idiots.... but pls note: heavy hand - requires clear rules. That's the prime rule of the curfew.

[Argyll]

because one article is pure fcuking fiction,hence it wasn't locked,it was actually left open to be ridiculed........did you bother reading them.

the 2nd locked topic is a REPEAT of the first,do we need 5 topics of the same discussion?

The other is a current ongoing situation where I and the rest of the moderators here are sick to the back teeth of Black Rain thinking he's on some morale fcuking crusade about how the world is fcuked because of the faith of Islam................incase some of you have forgotten,the vast majority of Muslims in Britain condemned the original bombings........but oh no our galiant white supremist hero keeps making assinine comments thinking he's funny,when it show's he's one of the main instigators in anti Muslim threads


FDT..if you don't like it either leave or accept the changes,your choice you won't be missed with your constant whining!!!!!