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Legion
07-20-2005, 08:53 AM
By Frank J. Gaffney Jr.
July 19, 2005

Most Americans have come -- correctly, if reluctantly -- to the conclusion the United Nations has been a failure. Sixty years ago, the U.N.'s founders envisioned it as an engine of freedom, an international mechanism in which sovereign nations would come together to protect liberty and to facilitate its spread throughout the world.
Instead, for most of its life, the "world body" has been dominated by the unfree. Under their influence, the U.N. has morphed into a protection racket for the world's despots and, effectively, an abettor of those who would supplant liberty with corrupt authoritarianism, or worse.
In recent months, evidence of how far the United Nations has strayed from its original purpose has steadily leached into plain sight. The staggering Iraq Oil-for-Food scandal has implicated senior members of the U.N. leadership including, it would appear, Secretary-General Kofi Annan.
Others in the Secretariat have engaged in embarrassing personal and official misconduct. The bureaucracy is notoriously bloated and inefficient. The agenda remains dominated by anti-Israel and anti-American initiatives. And the reputation of U.N. peacekeeping operations around the world has been sullied as some of the foreign troops assigned to them have turned into rape squads and ***-traffickers.
Against this backdrop, even the United Nation's most assiduous supporters have been obliged to ****ounce they favor "reform" of the organization. But it would appear what most have in mind is little more than reshuffling the proverbial deck chairs.
For example, proposals advanced to date by Mr. Annan would perpetuate the fundamental problems arising from the pre-eminence of nations hostile to the United States and/or freedom and the malfeasance, if not malevolence, of the U.N.'s largely unaccountable staff.
History shows there is only one way to effect constructive change at the United Nations: By the United States exercising the power of the purse.
Each year, the U.S. is obliged to pony up a quarter or more of the United Nation's roughly $2 billion budget -- far more than any other member state. This represents, by the way, just the contribution for which America gets credit. In addition, we provide untold billions worth of support (notably, that of the U.S. military for logistical and other assistance to U.N. peacekeepers) which is neither acknowledged nor reflected in calculations of what we "owe" the organization.
In light of past experience and present problems with the United Nations, the U.S. House of Representatives recently endorsed by a wide margin the recommendation of the distinguished chairman of its International Relations Committee, Rep. Henry Hyde, Illinois Republican. It makes future U.S. payments to the "world body" contingent upon U.N. adoption of a set of sensible and wide-ranging reforms.
The U.N. is determined to deny the United States such leverage and to insulate itself from further American pressure for systemic change. On Sept. 14-16, the U.N. General Assembly is scheduled to hold a high-level plenary meeting to consider the implementation of "Millennium Development Goals" contained in the report of the U.N.'s 2002 International Conference on Financing for Development. According to this so-called "Monterrey Consensus," the United States and other developed nations are obliged to provide 0.7 percent of their gross national income in foreign aid (also known as Official Development Assistance or ODA).
Secretary-General Annan's special adviser, Dr. Jeffrey Sachs, contends the United States has only provided 0.15 percent of its GNI. Mr. Sachs and his friends at the United Nations maintain we therefore "owe" the international community $65 billion each year from 2002 to the target year of 2015, for a total of $845 billion in additional foreign aid.
Since no one in their right mind expects either this president or any other -- let alone any foreseeable U.S. Congress, to provide these vast amounts in notoriously ill-spent foreign aid, the U.N. types have come up with an alternative means of making Americans pay their huge "debt" to the undeveloped world: international taxation (hereafter known as "globotaxes").
Incredible as it may seem, a Bush administration viscerally opposed to raising taxes has not shown the sort of vehement resistance to this initiative that it should.
In fact, Annex II of the Gleneagles G-8 communique (titled "Financing Commitments"), reveals the U.S. agreed to create a working group proposed by France, Germany, Italy and Great Britain to consider carrying out "innovative financing mechanisms" to "help deliver and bring forward the financing needed to achieve the Millennium Development Goals."
Among "financing mechanisms" to be weighed is a "solidarity contribution on [international] plane tickets." French President Jacques Chirac has declared he believes this "small levy" would bring -- presumably into U.N. coffers -- at least $3 billion.
If the United States goes along with this arrangement in September, it will allow a precedent to be set for taxation without representation that would send America's Founders spinning in their graves. It can forget about the modest constraint its ability to withhold "dues" has exercised on U.N. behavior. It can be sure real U.N. reform will not be in the cards. And it can expect other globotaxes will soon be proposed.
The mother of all globotaxes is an idea that has been kicking around the East River for some time and named after the Yale Nobel Laureate who first proposed it, Dr. James Tobin. The "Tobin tax" would theoretically raise an estimated $13 trillion -- yes, trillion -- from a small levy on international currency transactions. Imagine what the One Worlders and U.N. bureaucrats could do to our sovereignty and interests with that kind of wherewithal.

Link (http://www.washtimes.com/commentary/20050718-092250-5620r_page2.htm)

Durandal
07-20-2005, 09:18 AM
No taxation without representation.

It is legal for the government to tax me (i'll argue of income tax is Constitutional but that is irrelevant here). The U.N. is NOT my government nor has any similar power, over me.

Thus no tax.

You know what we should do, the U.S. should charge the world for using its trillion dollar navy to keep the sea lanes open.

We could simply tax these nations. ;)

Thor
07-20-2005, 02:53 PM
Well, I don't like the UN and I'd really like to see it gone. Still, it's bloody tiring to hear this whining year after year.. Just leave it!

As far as I know US does not pay more than any other western nation in comparision to it's GNI. And as for corruption, misconducts and so on. The UN HQ is placed in New York, you are the ones who could deal with it.

"The agenda remains dominated by anti-Israel and anti-American initiatives." Why? Because with almost 200 nations you will find plenty who thinks that way..

"According to this so-called "Monterrey Consensus," the United States and other developed nations are obliged to provide 0.7 percent of their gross national income in foreign aid (also known as Official Development Assistance or ODA)." Don't like it? Then don't sign treatys you don't like!

"Secretary-General Annan's special adviser, Dr. Jeffrey Sachs, contends the United States has only provided 0.15 percent of its GNI. Mr. Sachs and his friends at the United Nations maintain we therefore "owe" the international community $65 billion each year from 2002 to the target year of 2015, for a total of $845 billion in additional foreign aid." Once again, this goes for all industrialized nations! I even think that Sweden aims to pay 1.0 percent of its GNI (because our government still wants to contribute according to the old treaty).

"Since no one in their right mind expects either this president or any other -- let alone any foreseeable U.S. Congress, to provide these vast amounts in notoriously ill-spent foreign aid..." Well, how you spend your 0.7 percent is entierly up to you, it doesn't have to go through the UN. If you spend your own money badly its your problem.

Laworkerbee
07-20-2005, 05:45 PM
No taxation without representation.

It is legal for the government to tax me (i'll argue of income tax is Constitutional but that is irrelevant here). The U.N. is NOT my government nor has any similar power, over me.

Thus no tax.

You know what we should do, the U.S. should charge the world for using its trillion dollar navy to keep the sea lanes open.

We could simply tax these nations. ;)

I likee woot

2Sheds_Jackson
07-20-2005, 06:28 PM
The "Tobin tax" would theoretically raise an estimated $13 trillion -- yes, trillion -- from a small levy on international currency transactions. Imagine what the One Worlders and U.N. bureaucrats could do to our sovereignty and interests with that kind of wherewithal.

I don't know about anybody else, but this raised my pucker factor by a power of 10.

Think of the military forces that could be bought and paid for with $13,000,000,000,000. They'd no longer need anybody's vote or consent to do anything, since they wouldn't need anybody's help. In fact, they would have the horsepower to be a de facto world government - and would answer to nobody. In short order the issue would not be the UN bringing peace and stability to undeveloped regions, but it would be subduing developed 1st world nations who began to push back. But I'm sure we can trust them - look how well they've handled the limited authority they do have.

Laworkerbee
07-20-2005, 06:29 PM
The "Tobin tax" would theoretically raise an estimated $13 trillion -- yes, trillion -- from a small levy on international currency transactions. Imagine what the One Worlders and U.N. bureaucrats could do to our sovereignty and interests with that kind of wherewithal.

I don't know about anybody else, but this raised my pucker factor by a power of 10.

Think of the military forces that could be bought and paid for with $13,000,000,000,000. They'd no longer need anybody's vote or consent to do anything, since they wouldn't need anybody's help. In fact, they would have the horsepower to be a de facto world government - and would answer to nobody. In short order the issue would not be the UN bringing peace and stability to undeveloped regions, but it would be subduing developed 1st world nations who began to push back. But I'm sure we can trust them - look how well they've handled the limited authority they do have.

true thats some big dollars, but who is going to bleed for a UNiwussie?

2Sheds_Jackson
07-20-2005, 10:08 PM
The "Tobin tax" would theoretically raise an estimated $13 trillion -- yes, trillion -- from a small levy on international currency transactions. Imagine what the One Worlders and U.N. bureaucrats could do to our sovereignty and interests with that kind of wherewithal.

I don't know about anybody else, but this raised my pucker factor by a power of 10.

Think of the military forces that could be bought and paid for with $13,000,000,000,000. They'd no longer need anybody's vote or consent to do anything, since they wouldn't need anybody's help. In fact, they would have the horsepower to be a de facto world government - and would answer to nobody. In short order the issue would not be the UN bringing peace and stability to undeveloped regions, but it would be subduing developed 1st world nations who began to push back. But I'm sure we can trust them - look how well they've handled the limited authority they do have.

true thats some big dollars, but who is going to bleed for a UNiwussie?

My guess would be anybody willing to go under arms with the best equipment (or close to it) and really good money.

Violet Fashion by Mindy
07-20-2005, 10:14 PM
No taxation without representation.

No offense BUT you do have representation. Your elected government appoints a representitive of the US government to the UN who sits on the UN security council which arguably gives your nation even greater representation compared to say Australia who is not a member of the security council.

But yes this is bull****.

Laworkerbee
07-20-2005, 11:19 PM
The "Tobin tax" would theoretically raise an estimated $13 trillion -- yes, trillion -- from a small levy on international currency transactions. Imagine what the One Worlders and U.N. bureaucrats could do to our sovereignty and interests with that kind of wherewithal.

I don't know about anybody else, but this raised my pucker factor by a power of 10.

Think of the military forces that could be bought and paid for with $13,000,000,000,000. They'd no longer need anybody's vote or consent to do anything, since they wouldn't need anybody's help. In fact, they would have the horsepower to be a de facto world government - and would answer to nobody. In short order the issue would not be the UN bringing peace and stability to undeveloped regions, but it would be subduing developed 1st world nations who began to push back. But I'm sure we can trust them - look how well they've handled the limited authority they do have.

true thats some big dollars, but who is going to bleed for a UNiwussie?

My guess would be anybody willing to go under arms with the best equipment (or close to it) and really good money.

like Argyll? p-)

Flagg
07-20-2005, 11:24 PM
The "Tobin tax" would theoretically raise an estimated $13 trillion -- yes, trillion -- from a small levy on international currency transactions. Imagine what the One Worlders and U.N. bureaucrats could do to our sovereignty and interests with that kind of wherewithal.

I don't know about anybody else, but this raised my pucker factor by a power of 10.

Think of the military forces that could be bought and paid for with $13,000,000,000,000. They'd no longer need anybody's vote or consent to do anything, since they wouldn't need anybody's help. In fact, they would have the horsepower to be a de facto world government - and would answer to nobody. In short order the issue would not be the UN bringing peace and stability to undeveloped regions, but it would be subduing developed 1st world nations who began to push back. But I'm sure we can trust them - look how well they've handled the limited authority they do have.

$13 trillion is pie in the sky....never, ever happen as it would destroy the global currency trading market....but I could see a VERY small tax of 1-2 pips per transaction rasing something in the order of tens of billions...which although I would still disagree with it(from an accountability perspective), it wouldn't be AS bad.

To give an example.....most currency traders(comprising the biggest chunk of the almost $2 trillion a day currency market) complete their transactions, using significant leverage(up to 200 to 1), to eke out profits on swings of less than 1%. It is a profitable and necessary industry to ensure natural equilibrium with floated currencies.

If they get hit with a tax of even several % points (to justify $13 trillion taxation) the currency industry is no longer viable...so how will currency cross rates be determined if natural market forces no longer create equilibrium?

Currency black markets would develop in the first world, rather than being relegated to just 3rd world controlled economies.....pure chaos.

The idea of having a poorly managed and operated international organization that is far from representative taxing me is outrageous.

It is NOT representative.

One country of which I have citizenship has a security council veto, the other does not......unfair.

EACH country, regardless of population has an equal vote....why should Lichenstein have voting parity with Malaysia?

IF it becomes population based voting, I STILL consider it unfair as I don't want a corrupt dictatorship like China having leverage over smaller less corrupt and more democratic nations.

Also, why should a horribly corrupt "government" like Zimbabwe have equal voting rights as New Zealand?

In my personal experience, mismanagement + complete lack of accountability + lots of money = extremely ugly and corrupt money grab.

I trade a considerable amount of currency as part of my livelihood.....anyone attempting to mess with my livelihood can get f*cked!

2Sheds_Jackson
07-21-2005, 01:32 AM
$13 trillion is pie in the sky....never, ever happen as it would destroy the global currency trading market....but I could see a VERY small tax of 1-2 pips per transaction rasing something in the order of tens of billions...which although I would still disagree with it(from an accountability perspective), it wouldn't be AS bad.

To give an example.....most currency traders(comprising the biggest chunk of the almost $2 trillion a day currency market) complete their transactions, using significant leverage(up to 200 to 1), to eke out profits on swings of less than 1%. It is a profitable and necessary industry to ensure natural equilibrium with floated currencies.

If they get hit with a tax of even several % points (to justify $13 trillion taxation) the currency industry is no longer viable...so how will currency cross rates be determined if natural market forces no longer create equilibrium?

Currency black markets would develop in the first world, rather than being relegated to just 3rd world controlled economies.....pure chaos.

The idea of having a poorly managed and operated international organization that is far from representative taxing me is outrageous.

It is NOT representative.

One country of which I have citizenship has a security council veto, the other does not......unfair.

EACH country, regardless of population has an equal vote....why should Lichenstein have voting parity with Malaysia?

IF it becomes population based voting, I STILL consider it unfair as I don't want a corrupt dictatorship like China having leverage over smaller less corrupt and more democratic nations.

Also, why should a horribly corrupt "government" like Zimbabwe have equal voting rights as New Zealand?

In my personal experience, mismanagement + complete lack of accountability + lots of money = extremely ugly and corrupt money grab.

I trade a considerable amount of currency as part of my livelihood.....anyone attempting to mess with my livelihood can get f*cked!

Heh heh that's the spirit. Your inside talk of points and percentages and floating whatnots induced in me a mild nausea and a nosebleed. Nothing serious, just a bit outside of my experience. Seriously though...I was a bit shocked by the $13T figure - I'm assuming that it must be over many years - they don't even say in the story. I suppose that if it was over 13 trillion years, I don't have to worry. ;)

Turhapuro
07-21-2005, 03:22 AM
Even Mr. Tobin himself does not support tobins tax :)

GazB
07-21-2005, 06:11 AM
Sixty years ago, the U.N.'s founders envisioned it as an engine of freedom, an international mechanism in which sovereign nations would come together to protect liberty and to facilitate its spread throughout the world.


BS.

The UN had on its security council two Communist countries with fully voting rights and ful vetos. Hardly a good model to spread liberty (as it is suggested in this article).

The purpose of the UN was to regulate international interests and provide a forum for international disputes or problems. It was never designed to be the worlds army or the worlds police. Unfortuantely many in the world have tried to use it that way, and will likely continue to do so.

Durandal
07-21-2005, 09:29 AM
What we need to do is dump a crap load of money into Science. Revolutionize the space program, get off the goddamn planet and move the United States to Mars taking all our nation's resources with it. Have a single world for ourselves and let the rest of the world bicker over what form of socialism is going to help poor people be less poor and bad people less bad.

rofl

Legion
07-21-2005, 09:57 AM
What we need to do is dump a crap load of money into Science. Revolutionize the space program, get off the goddamn planet and move the United States to Mars taking all our nation's resources with it. Have a single world for ourselves and let the rest of the world bicker over what form of socialism is going to help poor people be less poor and bad people less bad.

rofl

Total Recall style. p-)

Macs.
07-21-2005, 09:58 AM
I actually own a part of the moon.

Durandal
07-21-2005, 10:13 AM
Total Recall style. p-)

You get to be Quato. :)

Legion
07-21-2005, 10:35 AM
Total Recall style. p-)

You get to be Quato. :)

I'd rather be Doug Quaid if it's all the same to you. p-)

Or Johnny Cab. rofl

2Sheds_Jackson
07-21-2005, 11:33 AM
I wanna we the 3-****ed dwarf lady. There was a 3 ****ed dwarf, wasn't there?

joe mama
07-21-2005, 11:54 AM
MAN, I GOT FIVE KIDS TO FEED!!!

joe mama
07-21-2005, 12:02 PM
What we need to do is dump a crap load of money into Science. Revolutionize the space program, get off the goddamn planet and move the United States to Mars taking all our nation's resources with it. Have a single world for ourselves and let the rest of the world bicker over what form of socialism is going to help poor people be less poor and bad people less bad.

rofl

Like my comment in another post about it's too bad we can't truly unleash all our resources on empire building and conquering the way people think we do, so we could see what it would really be like, it's too bad we can't see what this would be like. Before anybody gets their panties in a twist, I don't think for one second that the US is perfect or that we solve all the problems and don't cause any or we're the only ones doing anything good - far from it. But there's a whole ton of stuff that happens in this world for good and a ton that doesn't happen for bad because of the things we do manage to get right.

joe mama
07-21-2005, 12:03 PM
I wanna we the 3-****ed dwarf lady. There was a 3 ****ed dwarf, wasn't there?

There was a 3 ****ed hooker, and a dwarf hooker, but not the combination...but the dwarf ho did keep her top on.

On a related note, what's the plural of ho? Hos? Hoxen? Hice?

Legion
07-21-2005, 12:11 PM
I wanna we the 3-****ed dwarf lady. There was a 3 ****ed dwarf, wasn't there?

There was a 3 ****ed hooker, and a dwarf hooker, but not the combination...but the dwarf ho did keep her top on.

On a related note, what's the plural of ho? Hos? Hoxen? Hice?

Ho's. Please see http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/6305680493/ref=pd_sxp_f/002-8956319-7262423?v=glance&s=dvd for verification.