Israel invites al-Asad for peace talks

[scoone]

Israel invites al-Asad for peace talks


Monday 12 January 2004, 14:53 Makka Time, 11:53 GMT


Syrian President Bashar al-Asad recently called for negotiations


Israeli President Moshe Katsav has invited his Syrian counterpart Bashar al-Asad to come to Jerusalem for "serious negotiations" on a peace accord between the hostile neighbours.


Negotiations between the two countries, technically still at war, collapsed in 2000. But al-Asad has recently urged the United States to help revive the talks.

"I invite President al-Asad to come to Jerusalem to seriously negotiate with Israeli leaders on the conditions of a peace accord," Katsav said on Israeli public radio on Monday.

Katsav's office is largely ceremonial, but it was the strongest sign from Israel of a willingness to talk since al-Assad said last month that he was keen to resume negotiations.

There was no immediate reaction from Syria to Katsav's invitation and it was not clear if the Israeli president had made the overture through formal channels.

Some observers allege both sides are using calls for talks as a tactical gestures to dispel claims they are obstructing peace in the region.

Strategic region

Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, who has not yet commented on president's invitation to al-Asad, said on Sunday he was ready to forge peace with the Palestinians and Syrians.


Israel plans nine new settlements
on occupied Golan Heights


But he said Syria had to show a willingness to bring an end to "terrorism" - referring to Damascus' backing for Palestinian resistance groups including Hamas and Islamic Jihad and the Lebanese Shia Hizb Allah movement.

The invitation to al-Asad follows recent criticism from Syria and from around the world of Israeli plans to build more illegal settlements on the occupied Golan Heights, which Israel seized after invading Syria in the 1967 war.

Previous US-sponsored peace talks between Israel and Syria collapsed over the issue of how much of the region would be returned.

Syria wants all of the heights back - a stance backed by international law. But Israel sees the territory as strategically important for controlling the Sea of Galilee, its biggest reservoir.

Secret contacts

An Israeli minister said on Sunday Israel had had secret contacts with Syria several months ago - well before recent Syrian overtures - but they broke down after word of the meetings leaked out.

Foreign minister Silvan Shalom said they were part of the effort to restart peace talks between Israel and Syria. Earlier talks broke down in 2000.

Shalom said Israel had secret meetings seven or eight months ago with people "very close" to al-Asad.


"Unfortunately, after two meetings that the Israeli partners had with their Syrian colleagues, it leaked out. And while it was exposed, of course the Syrians didn't continue to negotiate through this track," he said.


But in Damascus, an official with the information ministry denied there had been any secret contacts.

The official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said Syria's policy remained linked to international initiatives that called on Israel to withdraw from all occupied territories and blamed
it for the current stalemate.

[StarvingStudent47]

Just got news that Assad has refused to meet with Israel.

[One?]

Just got news that Assad has refused to meet with Israel.

because Sharon said he will not return the Golan Heights and he will continue with building or sending settlers to live there.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Just got news that Assad has refused to meet with Israel.

because Sharon said he will not return the Golan Heights and he will continue with building or sending settlers to live there.
:roll:
OR....
Because hes just a terror-supporting ****tator, who just doesnt like Israel too much.

[Mr. Nielsen]

Just got news that Assad has refused to meet with Israel.

because Sharon said he will not return the Golan Heights and he will continue with building or sending settlers to live there.
:roll:
OR....
Because hes just a terror-supporting ****tator, who just doesnt like Israel too much.

And if Assad was willing to sign off the Golan Height's, I'm sure Sharon would invite him home for dinner. Apart from that, so is the young Assad a boy scout compared to Sharon.

[One?]

Apart from that, so is the young Assad a boy scout compared to Sharon.

He is surrounded by his father's advisors. He didn't have enough time to learn from his father because he wasn't supposed to be the succesor. It was his other son (who died).

[UkrainianAmerican]

Just got news that Assad has refused to meet with Israel.

because Sharon said he will not return the Golan Heights and he will continue with building or sending settlers to live there.
:roll:
OR....
Because hes just a terror-supporting ****tator, who just doesnt like Israel too much.

And if Assad was willing to sign off the Golan Height's, I'm sure Sharon would invite him home for dinner. Apart from that, so is the young Assad a boy scout compared to Sharon.
Um, you dont get it do you?
It is in SYRIAS best interest to make peace with Israel and U.S. not vice versa. Syria is so weak, that it poses no conventional threat regardless (which is the only kind of threat which the "peace agreements" guard from in the first place)
It can stop supporting Hizbullah, and others and have a dialogue with US and Israel, or perhaps the IAF needs to fly some more sortied over Assads palaces.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Btw, One, since you are of lebanese background, isnt Syria supposed to be you enemy Numero Uno? I mean they actually DO occupy Lebanon dont they? They pretty much turned it into a 3rd world hellhole all by themselves (without the Israelis I might add)

[One?]

Btw, One, since you are of lebanese background, isnt Syria supposed to be you enemy Numero Uno? I mean they actually DO occupy Lebanon dont they? They pretty much turned it into a 3rd world hellhole all by themselves (without the Israelis I might add)


rofl rofl rofl brainwashed by CNN or trying to spread israeli propaganda?


There are some syrian army units located in the Bekaa valley and the north. They are in lebanon because they were asked by the lebanese government to do so. And they will only leave when lebanon tells them to leave.

If you call the US military bases in germany, japan, cuba etc... an occupation then that is a different story ;)



As for the peace thing, it is in Israel's best interest to make peace. Mubarak and King Abdullah arn't staying forever, the people are getting more "pissed off", and strategies have changed. Israel is the one losing immigrants, israel is losing tourists, israel is losing money since alost of israelis are leaving their homes.

As for hezbollah they will only stop when the lebanese farms are returned. Otherwise why should they stop asking for their land?

[Whistler]

From the Lebanese people I know:
Half of them blame all Lebanon's problems on Israel and the Jews.
The other half blame all Lebanon's problems on Syria and their invasion.


And ****, Syria is NEVER getting the Golan Heights back, unless Israel goes insane.

"Gee, lets give territory that overlooks our major cities back to a country that has used it 3 or 4 times to shell and invade us from."

Israel doesn't NEED a peace agreement with Syria. They could run over the Syrian military any day of the week. Maybe if they hadn't started hostilities in the first place they'd still own the Golan...

[UkrainianAmerican]

Btw, One, since you are of lebanese background, isnt Syria supposed to be you enemy Numero Uno? I mean they actually DO occupy Lebanon dont they? They pretty much turned it into a 3rd world hellhole all by themselves (without the Israelis I might add)


rofl rofl rofl brainwashed by CNN or trying to spread israeli propaganda?


There are some syrian army units located in the Bekaa valley and the north. They are in lebanon because they were asked by the lebanese government to do so. And they will only leave when lebanon tells them to leave.

If you call the US military bases in germany, japan, cuba etc... an occupation then that is a different story ;)



As for the peace thing, it is in Israel's best interest to make peace. Mubarak and King Abdullah arn't staying forever, the people are getting more "pissed off", and strategies have changed. Israel is the one losing immigrants, israel is losing tourists, israel is losing money since alost of israelis are leaving their homes.

As for hezbollah they will only stop when the lebanese farms are returned. Otherwise why should they stop asking for their land?
rofl
Call me brainwashed, but according to your favorite organization, the UN, Israel has given back all the lebanese terrotory.
Have a nice enlightened day.

P.S. As for Jordan and Egypt, are you out of your mind? If they couldnt wipe out Israel with the full support of the Soviet Bloc when israel was nukefree, why would they be able to do SQUAT against a nuclear mideast power, without soviet support?

[One?]

Egypt had a huge fuk up in the high command (let us not discuss this because its been discussed to death).

If you want to go nuclear then you will be initiating WW3, and I'm sure not only these 2 countries would want to fight Israel.

The Shebaa farms are lebanese, the people who own land there have documents stamped from the lebanese authority dating back before the occupation, alot of documents proved that the land was lebanese. Wether the UN said its lebanese or not IT IS still LEBANESE.

heh its like someone saying the house you own isn't yours because we said so.




From the Lebanese people I know:
Half of them blame all Lebanon's problems on Israel and the Jews.
The other half blame all Lebanon's problems on Syria and their invasion.

you got that right.

As for the syrian army or what not, the US is still fighting Iraqis. And those iraqis were suppressed and tortured more than the syrians. If there is will then you can't defeat it. History proves that occupations don't last for a long time. So if you want to occupy syria then you must be out of your mind.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Egypt had a huge fuk up in the high command (let us not discuss this because its been discussed to death).

If you want to go nuclear then you will be initiating WW3, and I'm sure not only these 2 countries would want to fight Israel.

The Shebaa farms are lebanese, the people who own land there have documents stamped from the lebanese authority dating back before the occupation, alot of documents proved that the land was lebanese. Wether the UN said its lebanese or not IT IS still LEBANESE.

heh its like someone saying the house you own isn't yours because we said so.




From the Lebanese people I know:
Half of them blame all Lebanon's problems on Israel and the Jews.
The other half blame all Lebanon's problems on Syria and their invasion.

you got that right.

As for the syrian army or what not, the US is still fighting Iraqis. And those iraqis were suppressed and tortured more than the syrians. If there is will then you can't defeat it. History proves that occupations don't last for a long time. So if you want to occupy syria then you must be out of your mind.
Yep, as i was saying in May of 2000, Israel had made a HUGE mistake by withdrawing from South Lebanon.
1. The SLA was left to its own devices, meaning Israel lost their best allies in the region
2. Hizbullah couldnt give less **** about the withdrawal, because they ewanna be able to grow some hashish on those farms.

[StarvingStudent47]

The Shebaa farms are lebanese, the people who own land there have documents stamped from the lebanese authority dating back before the occupation, alot of documents proved that the land was lebanese. Wether the UN said its lebanese or not IT IS still LEBANESE.


So basically, you're saying that the UN is full of BS and nobody in their right mind should ever pay attention to those wankers? Great. At last we agree on SOMETHING.

Though from now on, you can no longer use "because the UN passed a resolution against Israel" as an argument for why Israel should do something. Funny how that works, huh?

[One?]

The Shebaa farms are lebanese, the people who own land there have documents stamped from the lebanese authority dating back before the occupation, alot of documents proved that the land was lebanese. Wether the UN said its lebanese or not IT IS still LEBANESE.


So basically, you're saying that the UN is full of BS and nobody in their right mind should ever pay attention to those wankers? Great. At last we agree on SOMETHING.

Though from now on, you can no longer use "because the UN passed a resolution against Israel" as an argument for why Israel should do something. Funny how that works, huh?


No one listens to the UN, that should be a fact. Israel doesn't listen, the US doesn't listen and alot of countries do not listen.



2. Hizbullah couldnt give less **** about the withdrawal, because
they ewanna be able to grow some hashish on those farms.

LOL thats why they are helping the lebanese army to capture all the drug dealers up north.

[StarvingStudent47]

LOL thats why they are helping the lebanese army to capture all the drug dealers up north.

It's called wiping out your competition.

[UkrainianAmerican]

LOL thats why they are helping the lebanese army to capture all the drug dealers up north.

It's called wiping out your competition.
Word.

[Javehn]

Hisballah does what ?????? Helping catch narcota ?? Common , you posted in another post not to say what you don't know . Hisballah is one of the biggest drug pushers on that area . Know little place called Wazani river ? Know Wazzani pumps , and El Aujar ?? If you know the place , you know what i am talking about . Thanks to another great UN resolution , thank you UN , that's the biggest drug traffic place , and gathering intell on Israel by Hisbollah .I been patient so far , don't let me blow up , why you posting bull**** ?

[UkrainianAmerican]

Hisballah does what ?????? Helping catch narcota ?? Common , you posted in another post not to say what you don't know . Hisballah is one of the biggest drug pushers on that area . Know little place called Wazani river ? Know Wazzani pumps , and El Aujar ?? If you know the place , you know what i am talking about . Thanks to another great UN resolution , thank you UN , that's the biggest traffic place , and gathering intell on Israel by Hisbollah .I been patient so far , don't let me blow up , why you posting bull**** ?
Btw one of my friends unknowingly got a lebanese "dime" (potbag)
I yelled at him for a long time, although the pot was pretty high-quality have to admit :D

[One?]

What about the pumps near the wazani river?

And yes lebanese hash is known to be hight quality. But hezbollah does not grow it. There is alot of hash in the north because they government doesn't go there often, the area up there has realy low standards of living unlike the rest of lebanon.

The US is happy with what the lebanese are doing in combating drugs so is the rest of the world.

Hezbollah MPs said to the government "we need to find them an alternative before we can get rid of the fields". Because that is their only source of living.

Sheikh Toufayli (who was a leading member in the party) used and still is growing drugs, working with the syrians and is corrupt. He was kicked out of hezbollah and a 3 day battle in the bekaa valley took place which involved the army. So if they kicked out a leading member, I don't think they would allow anyone of their party members to grow drugs. And lebanon is pretty small so drug dealers are known. If you said the speaker of the house, or the ministers then ya I would agree.

[UoUo]

"One" let me understand you...you are saying that "sbhaaa farms" are own by lebanon...and just cuz the U.N told that they are not...that not mean that they aren't own by lebanon.


So if i think that "hebron" is mine...who said that "hebron isn't mine ?


Salam.

[Javehn]

Near the pumps of Wassani lies viladge called El-Ajar (or Rajar ) . The villedge is divided by UN resolution on half , half in Israel half in Lebanon . No border or nothing goes between the Israeli and Lebanon part . You can make a step , and you in Israel , another step , and you are in Lebanon . The Wassani pumps pass right bellow the villadge , under cliff . On nights , Hisballah would move there trucks full loaded with some nice fine weed , from a near villadge under full control by Hisballah , called El Meri i think . They would disapier under that cliff ... and you can guess the rest . Maybe they don't grow or smoke it , but they do push it like crazy monkeys . Iran money , and other sources aren't enough by itself , so they getting some nice extra cash by pushing it . They also gather a lot of intel about Israel that way , something t do again with that nice villadge .

Hisballah is peacefull after IDF exit from Lebanon ? They do it only after Israeli provocing them ? They becoming more and more political organisation , and to justify the need for Hisballah fighting battalions , raise popularity , they do that - -- Intel log after IDF withdraw from Lebanon .I had the great luck to be in Northern Border from Jan 2002 - May 2002 , the pik of Hisballah activity . The most strict ROE can be found there , in border with Lebanon . The soldiers that had the luck to "ejaculate" single boolets to Lebanon soil ( by mistake , that can happend to every best soldier ) , was kicked so hard in they rears , that even his granson felt that kick .

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Date day Time Comments
7 Oct. 2000 Saturday 12:50 Mount Dov sector – three IDF soldiers kidnapped. Five injured as a result of artillery fire.
16 Nov. 2000 Thursday 15:22 Mount Dov sector – an explosive charge was detonated at an IDF convoy in the Mount Dov area.
Two IDF soldiers sustained minor injuries.
26 Nov. 2000 Sunday 06:50 Mount Dov sector – an explosive charge was detonated while an IDF force was on an axis opening mission. One soldier was killed and two wounded.
2 Jan. 2001 Tuesday 11:58 Sniper fire at a Defense Ministry employee working in an IDF position in the western sector. The attack was carried out by Hizballah, which did not claim responsibility. The employee sustained medium injuries.
16 Feb. 2001 Friday 12:35 Mount Dov sector – antitank fire at an IDF convoy.
One IDF soldier was killed and three wounded.
14 April 2001 Saturday 14:00 Mount Dov sector – an antitank missile was fired at a tank.
One IDF soldier was killed.
14 May 2001 Monday 12:04 Mount Dov sector – antitank missiles were fired.
No IDF casualties.
29 June 2001 – 1 July 2001 Friday – Sunday 18:38 Mount Dov sector – 29 June – antitank missiles and mortar shells were fired at IDF positions.
One soldier sustained medium – severe injuries.
1 July – antitank missiles and mortar bombs were fired at IDF posts in Mount Dov and Mt. Hermon.
No IDF casualties.
3 Oct. 2001 Wednesday 17:34 Mount Dov sector – antitank missiles and mortar bombs were fired at IDF positions.
No IDF casualties.
22 Oct. 2001 Monday 12:07 Mount Dov sector – wide ranging antitank missiles and mortar attack at IDF positions.
A Defense Ministry employee was lightly injured.
23 Jan. 2002 Wednesday 16:50 Mount Dov sector – wide ranging antitank and mortar fire at IDF positions.
12 March 2002 Tuesday 12:24 Western sector – Mazzuva attack – massive shooting (small arms and grenades) inside Israeli territory (Hanita – Mazzuva in the western Galilee). As a result, six Israeli civilians and soldiers were killed and eight wounded. The two terrorists were killed. The attack was planned by Hizballah using Palestinian terrorists.

תקיפות ה"חזבאללה" בעת מבצע "חומת מגן"

Date day Time Comments
30 March 2002 Saturday 13:24 Mount Dov sector – mortar bombs were fired at IDF positions. No IDF casualties.
2 April 2002 Tuesday 16:39 Mount Dov sector – mortar bombs fired at IDF positions. No IDF casualties.
3 April 2002 Wednesday 18:39 Mount Dov sector – missiles fired at IDF positions. The fire continued at intervals until 21:18. One IDF soldier was lightly injured.
5 April 2002 Friday 18:44 Western and eastern sectors – missile and mortar fire at IDF positions. No IDF casualties.
6 April 2002 Saturday 18:00 Recoilless gun, mortars and antitank fire at IDF positions near Ghajar. In addition, artillery fire at Mount Dov positions. Three Israeli civilians were injured. The entire attack was carried out by Hizballah.
7 April 2002 Sunday 17:02 Antitank missiles and rockets with phosphorus warheads were fired at IDF positions. Small arms fire at an IDF position from all directions. Antitank fire at the village of Avivim. Gunfire at the security guard post, Kibbutz Manara. In addition, four explosive charges were found near Ghajar.
As a result of the attacks which continued until about 19:00, four IDF soldiers were lightly injured, two sustained medium injuries and one was seriously wounded.
8 April 2002 Monday 16:00 Missiles and mortar bombs were fired at several IDF positions in Mount Dov. During the attack anti aircraft fire was carried out in all sectors (western, central, eastern). One IDF soldier and a 65-year-old Israeli civilian were seriously wounded.
9 April 2002 Tuesday 18:32 Artillery, antitank and small arms fire at Mount Dov positions and Mount Hermon slopes (including Majd al-Shams, Hermon ski resort and Neveh Ativ). The attack lasted about an hour. No IDF casualties.
10 April 2002 Tuesday 09:43 An attempt to attack IDF position (Hizballah flags were placed on a rampart near the position, simultaneous with close-range fire) combined with artillery/antitank fire at the other Mount Dov positions and several positions in the northern Golan Heights. The attack lasted for 40 minutes. No IDF casualties.
11 April 2002 Wednesday 18:11 Rocket and antitank fire at IDF positions.
12 April 2002 Thursday 18:06 Antitank and mortar fire at IDF positions.
13 April 2002 Friday 15:55 Antitank and mortar fire at IDF positions in Mount Dov.
26 April 2002 Friday 16:00 Combined fire, including missiles and mortar bombs at IDF positions in Mount Dov.
As a result, six IDF soldiers were injured, one sustained medium injuries and the rest were lightly wounded.









תקיפות ה"חזבאללה" לאחר מבצע "חומת מגן"

29 August 2002 Thursday 17:30 Rocket and antitank fire at IDF positions in Mount Dov. One IDF soldier was killed and two IDF soldiers were injured.
8 December 2002 sunday 08:00 An explosive charge laid by IDF’s post “Yakinton” ( by Shomera). Two soldiers seriously wounded as a result of the explosion.
21 January 2003 Tuesday 14:59 Combined fire, including missiles and mortar bombs at IDF positions in Mount Dov – “Gladiola” post.


Information - Israeli intellegence community archives , freedom of information law .

[One?]

"One" let me understand you...you are saying that "sbhaaa farms" are own by lebanon...and just cuz the U.N told that they are not...that not mean that they aren't own by lebanon.


So if i think that "hebron" is mine...who said that "hebron isn't mine ?


Salam.


Because those who used to live in those farms have DOCUMENTS (land ownership given by the lebanese government not syria). Also back in that day a US company wanted to build a pipeline. And according to their maps the farms were on lebanese soil.

If you have papers saying that hebron is yours dating back to 1930's then its yours.




Hisballah is peacefull after IDF exit from Lebanon ? They do it only after Israeli provocing them ? They becoming more and more political organisation , and to justify the need for Hisballah fighting battalions , raise popularity , they do that - -- Intel log after IDF withdraw from Lebanon .I had the great luck to be in Northern Border from Jan 2002 - May 2002 , the pik of Hisballah activity . The most strict ROE can be found there , in border with Lebanon . The soldiers that had the luck to "ejaculate" single boolets to Lebanon soil ( by mistake , that can happend to every best soldier ) , was kicked so hard in they rears , that even his granson felt that kick .

How would you know those trucks belong to hezbollah? What if they are smugglers? I know that in the south they grow tobbaco and hash in the north. Or maybe they are smuggling weapons in that area.

They are a political party thats for sure. You can sometimes sense if there is an operation going on, if the palestinians start getting it too hard. If you notice during the occupation of bethlehem and the rest of the camps hezbollah increased their operations. Whenever the palestinians are under stress, hezbollah hits the IDF in the north.

I also think its also because they want to show the IDF that they still exist, and that they are still able to fight. But the number one reason is to return the shebaa farms.

The IDF do have strict ROE rules on the border, but they still fire rounds on the border between the farms and the freed villages.

[UoUo]

"They wan't to show IDF that they are still there"

That show us the funtic and the dangerus of poeple....

They wan't to show us that they are still here...so they shoot shells that killed 16 year boy....

My god...kill those ****ing basterd...and if my god isn't exist...i adreess my call to allah..."great" allah...please take those basterd to "heaven" give them thier 72 ugly virgins.

[One?]

"They wan't to show IDF that they are still there"

That show us the funtic and the dangerus of poeple....

They wan't to show us that they are still here...so they shoot shells that killed 16 year boy....

My god...kill those f*** basterd...and if my god isn't exist...i adreess my call to allah..."great" allah...please take those basterd to "heaven" give them thier 72 ugly virgins.


If the IAF would stop intruding into lebanese airspace then they wont have to fire AA shells towards the planes.

[UoUo]

"They wan't to show IDF that they are still there"

That show us the funtic and the dangerus of poeple....

They wan't to show us that they are still here...so they shoot shells that killed 16 year boy....

My god...kill those f*** basterd...and if my god isn't exist...i adreess my call to allah..."great" allah...please take those basterd to "heaven" give them thier 72 ugly virgins.


If the IAF would stop intruding into lebanese airspace then they wont have to fire AA shells towards the planes.

And what with the kidnapping of israeli people ?

[S'13]

"They wan't to show IDF that they are still there"

That show us the funtic and the dangerus of poeple....

They wan't to show us that they are still here...so they shoot shells that killed 16 year boy....

My god...kill those f*** basterd...and if my god isn't exist...i adreess my call to allah..."great" allah...please take those basterd to "heaven" give them thier 72 ugly virgins.


If the IAF would stop intruding into lebanese airspace then they wont have to fire AA shells towards the planes.

In the incident in which a 16 year old boy was killed Hizballah fired AA shells directly into an Israeli town.
Also could you explain why Hizballah terrorists infiltrated into Israel's borders and murdered six civilians? Does this also have something to do with IAF planes flying over Lebanon? :roll:

[One?]

"They wan't to show IDF that they are still there"

That show us the funtic and the dangerus of poeple....

They wan't to show us that they are still here...so they shoot shells that killed 16 year boy....

My god...kill those f*** basterd...and if my god isn't exist...i adreess my call to allah..."great" allah...please take those basterd to "heaven" give them thier 72 ugly virgins.


If the IAF would stop intruding into lebanese airspace then they wont have to fire AA shells towards the planes.

In the incident in which a 16 year old boy was killed Hizballah fired AA shells directly into an Israeli town.
Also could you explain why Hizballah terrorists infiltrated into Israel's borders and murdered six civilians? Does this also have something to do with IAF planes flying over Lebanon? :roll:

When did hezbollah do that?

As for the boy I guess it was a mistake. Didn't you say **** happens in wars. And how many times did the IDF kill innocent babies and civilians?


And what with the kidnapping of israeli people ?

They were soldeirs not civilian.

Also what gives israel the right to kidnap lebanese civilians ?

[UoUo]

"They wan't to show IDF that they are still there"

That show us the funtic and the dangerus of poeple....

They wan't to show us that they are still here...so they shoot shells that killed 16 year boy....

My god...kill those f*** basterd...and if my god isn't exist...i adreess my call to allah..."great" allah...please take those basterd to "heaven" give them thier 72 ugly virgins.


If the IAF would stop intruding into lebanese airspace then they wont have to fire AA shells towards the planes.

In the incident in which a 16 year old boy was killed Hizballah fired AA shells directly into an Israeli town.
Also could you explain why Hizballah terrorists infiltrated into Israel's borders and murdered six civilians? Does this also have something to do with IAF planes flying over Lebanon? :roll:

When did hezbollah do that?


And what with the kidnapping of israeli people ?

They were soldeirs not civilian. Just like the IDF captured lebanese civilians for no reason.

:roll:

If you don't know the facts don't talk....

"Elhann tenenbaom" was kidnap by hizbullah...he was israeli civilian.

[One?]

Elhann tenenbaom

Col tenenbaom was a spy still not a civilian.

[UoUo]

Elhann tenenbaom

Col
was a spy still not a civilian.

rofl rofl rofl rofl


That it...now i know who i am dealing with....

LoL..... You realy eat this sheet ? i mean...you realy belive to yourself ?

tenenbaom was x colonal....so what..like 90% israeli...he served in the army...

[One?]

Elhann tenenbaom

Col
was a spy still not a civilian.

rofl rofl rofl rofl


That it...now i know who i am dealing with....

LoL..... You realy eat this sheet ? i mean...you realy belive to yourself ?

tenenbaom was x colonal....so what..like 90% israeli...he served in the army...

The prisoner exchange will happen soon, then we will know whats real and whats not. ;)

[UoUo]

Elhann tenenbaom

Col
was a spy still not a civilian.

rofl rofl rofl rofl


That it...now i know who i am dealing with....

LoL..... You realy eat this sheet ? i mean...you realy belive to yourself ?

tenenbaom was x colonal....so what..like 90% israeli...he served in the army...

The prisoner exchange will happen soon, then we will know whats real and whats not. ;)

Just a moment...you are saying that tenenbaom was a spy from israel ?

[S'13]

When did hezbollah do that?

When did Hizballah send terrorists into Israel and murdered six of our civilians? On March the 12th 2002.


As for the boy I guess it was a mistake.

Well this wasn't a mistake, it was a direct shelling...

[Javehn]

About those trucks . Intel ;)
About Israeli Aircrafts over Lebanon sky , that's all other debate , can take a long time , and mostly all classified . You can rest, no one want to reocupy Lebanon . That's done just to prevent that , and save sorrow from IDF and Lebanon .

About the so called "just returning fire " , thats a bull . Hisballah is much more politecly and PA aware , then they "brothers" in west bank . They act acording to it . I have vitnessed IAF plane that have been fired in close proximity to Metula city , and southern of Hamamis ridge . He didn't get close to Leb border, and wasn't even gonna to . The Hisballah teams recieving orders to fire AA guns on angle , that will do **** to plane , but will hit inside Israel . That means , they don't even bother to target the planes . They elevation of AA gun is ment to hit inside Israeli territories , and mostly the border proximity towns , such as Misgav Am , Manara , and so on .

They fired the AA guns , and recieved reports from inside Israel , or from the news , where aprox the AA landed . Once they recieved wanted angles , they stayed that way . Every AA Hisballah gun targetted to different Israeli city .
What i talled here is an example of how the Hisballah engages in Israel , while doing it in "legitimite action" way . And that is talking also about the Shabaa farms . Ah , and by the way , every single shot fired on the border by IDF , done only inside Israel in aproved fire perrimetters . You don't need to tell me stories how we like to bomb inside there , and inside here . There is actually a very good report on Hisballah done by so called Intel family , and unclassified recently according to freedom of information law . Too bad it's way too long , and in Hebrew .


They also , in they wise using the UN posts for they service . IDF OutPost ***en near the city of Margaliot and Manara have huge table of hisballah propaganda . Hisballah fighter holds the cut off heads of dead Israeli S'13 soldiers killed in Anzaria , and saying in hebrew ( i don't recall the saying) . The problem is , that they put that post , while the place in back yard of UN Bama Outpost . They comming there freely , while the UN soldiers smilling , and continuing to look to the sky, while smoking sigaretes .

They are smart , and they have smart propaganda . The things you bellieve in them , and post them here is clearly that propaganda , word in word , as i know it . Stereotype by stereotype . Maybe you really don't bellieve in some of those things , and you just wanna get into some prooving - anti prooving thing ? ;) I also watch the Hisballah Manar station , and El-Jazeera , i recieve them at my house . ;)

[One?]

When did Hizballah send terrorists into Israel and murdered six of our civilians? On March the 12th 2002.

was that a suicide bombing?


Javehn:

If you read my post carefuly I never said they only return fire, they attack posts. As for AA fire I don't know how the guns are mounted or what they are aimed towards, you live down there so I guess you know more about that. I only hear about it in the news.

So how am I believing in their propaganda? If israel withdraws from the farms, what excuse does hezbollah have? nothing! they will have to stop. If the lebanese president backs them up, the majority of lebanese back them up does that mean they are all brainwashed? By defending your country, that makes you brainwahsed?


I heard about the posters and mock katyousha rockets. But you said it, it has a psychological factor, just like israel plays its side of the psych war.


I also watch the Hisballah Manar station , and El-Jazeera , i recieve them at my house .

I only have al-jazeera $30 a month but I guess its better than watching CNN all the time.

Is it true that there is a dedicated radio station (or tv station) aimed towards israel by hezbollah?

UoUo:

Yes, I mean that tenenbaom is an israeli spy. But neither of us can prove anything until he is returned to israel. then the real story would be known.

[Javehn]

Not radio station , TV station , i don't remember how it's called . They have news , propaganda , and couple of amazing things , all spoken in hebrew , and written in hebrew , that one is amazing actually . It's lead by some guy , i don't remember his name , that was in Israeli prisson in Lebanon El Khiam for 15 years . He made friends with guards , and learned hebrew , and hebrew tradittions . When he was released , he propossed that idea to Nasrallah , and they build the station .

About the Shabaa farms , i am not shure who is against whom there , i will ask me friend that knows what is going on there, and i will get back on this to you . I am just talking about your bellieves on propaganda towards Israel . Lebanon is your country , not mine , and i guess that it have enough **** going on there as it is . I am also saying , that i read your other post in other section , and it's all looks like it was Copy and Paste from PalTruth or something of that kind .


I am just saying that propaganda makes everything sounds so simple , black and white , bad or good . It's very much complex , and even average Israeli cannot fully control all aspects Israeli politics . I am shure it's the same in Lebanon , hell , much more complex , sence you have so much etnical versities , Surian in back yard , 1001 different organizations . I am just saying , that i don't like to make assumptions about your Lebanon matters , just the things a know more or less. You should have the same for Israel .

[S'13]

was that a suicide bombing?

Six Israelis were killed when two Hizballah terrorists opened fire from ambush on Israeli vehicles travelling between Shlomi and Kibbutz Metzuba near the northern border with Lebanon.
The two gunmen, dressed in IDF uniforms and armed with Kalashnikov and M-16 rifles and grenades, hid in undergrowth at the side of the road and opened fire on vehicles heading toward Kibbutz Metzuba around 12.30 P.M. Israeli forces killed the two gunmen and carried out wide-scale searches for additional terrorists.

[Mr. Nielsen]

was that a suicide bombing?

Six Israelis were killed when two Hizballah terrorists opened fire from ambush on Israeli vehicles travelling between Shlomi and Kibbutz Metzuba near the northern border with Lebanon.
The two gunmen, dressed in IDF uniforms and armed with Kalashnikov and M-16 rifles and grenades, hid in undergrowth at the side of the road and opened fire on vehicles heading toward Kibbutz Metzuba around 12.30 P.M. Israeli forces killed the two gunmen and carried out wide-scale searches for additional terrorists.

My guess would be some palestinian group originating from one of the refugee camps.

During the last years Israel held the "security zone" in Lebanon, Hizbullah
guerillas stormed Israeli positions in daring raids. In the end being so confident that they didn't even retaliate for Israeli raids against civilian targets in Lebanon. Then this? It doesn't seems right.

[One?]

was that a suicide bombing?

Six Israelis were killed when two Hizballah terrorists opened fire from ambush on Israeli vehicles travelling between Shlomi and Kibbutz Metzuba near the northern border with Lebanon.
The two gunmen, dressed in IDF uniforms and armed with Kalashnikov and M-16 rifles and grenades, hid in undergrowth at the side of the road and opened fire on vehicles heading toward Kibbutz Metzuba around 12.30 P.M. Israeli forces killed the two gunmen and carried out wide-scale searches for additional terrorists.


That incident was never confirmed that hezbollah was behind it. It could of been any of the other palestinian groups. Just because it was in the north doesnt mean hezbollah was involved in it. There was a rocket fired on an IDF position and no one claimed responsibility. You can't control the border so anyone could sneak in. Hezbollah was quick to announce their operations and publisize them to their extent. They don't need to infiltrate to kill civilians, because they can do that with a rifle and just open fire towards mutalleh.


Javehn:

I respect your point of view, but not everyone on this board is like you. Most israelis here just call for the destruction and kicking out of the arabs. If i was saying the same but towards israel would you still be nice with me? I doubt it. I'll do my best to keep this clean ;)

[UoUo]

was that a suicide bombing?

Six Israelis were killed when two Hizballah terrorists opened fire from ambush on Israeli vehicles travelling between Shlomi and Kibbutz Metzuba near the northern border with Lebanon.
The two gunmen, dressed in IDF uniforms and armed with Kalashnikov and M-16 rifles and grenades, hid in undergrowth at the side of the road and opened fire on vehicles heading toward Kibbutz Metzuba around 12.30 P.M. Israeli forces killed the two gunmen and carried out wide-scale searches for additional terrorists.


That incident was never confirmed that hezbollah was behind it. It could of been any of the other palestinian groups. Just because it was in the north doesnt mean hezbollah was involved in it. There was a rocket fired on an IDF position and no one claimed responsibility. You can't control the border so anyone could sneak in. Hezbollah was quick to announce their operations and publisize them to their extent. They don't need to infiltrate to kill civilians, because they can do that with a rifle and just open fire towards mutalleh.


Javehn:

I respect your point of view, but not everyone on this board is like you. Most israelis here just call for the destruction and kicking out of the arabs. If i was saying the same but towards israel would you still be nice with me? I doubt it. I'll do my best to keep this clean ;)

Name 1 israeli in this board that think like that.

[UkrainianAmerican]

Javehn:

I respect your point of view, but not everyone on this board is like you. Most israelis here just call for the destruction and kicking out of the arabs. If i was saying the same but towards israel would you still be nice with me? I doubt it. I'll do my best to keep this clean ;)

Wow, get of that lebanese hashish man. Who called for the destruction and kicking out arabs part?

[One?]

Javehn:

I respect your point of view, but not everyone on this board is like you. Most israelis here just call for the destruction and kicking out of the arabs. If i was saying the same but towards israel would you still be nice with me? I doubt it. I'll do my best to keep this clean ;)

Wow, get of that lebanese hashish man. Who called for the destruction and kicking out arabs part?

you agreed with extraT's comments.


Read the other post (photos section) and see how many people directly, and indirectly said that.

So just to make things clear once and for all on this forum what do israelis here (on this forum) consider the palestinians to be? what do they want to do with them? Kick them out or leave them?