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scoone
01-12-2004, 07:19 AM
Two years after the United States began detaining prisoners at its naval base in Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, the US government faces fresh challenges to its detention of hundreds of captives.


More than 600 people languish in what a senior British judge has described as a "legal black hole" whose status the US Supreme Court is due to consider in June.

But before that, about 135 British parliamentarians have joined forces on Wednesday to file an appeal with the American court on behalf of 16 mostly British and Kuwaiti detainees.

"There's an issue of human rights here," said Former Foreign Secretary Robin Cook, one of 85 elected MPs and 50 peers from the House of Lords filing the petition.

He told Aljazeera.net on Saturday the British politicians' appeal aimed at encouraging the Supreme Court to ensure the inmates underwent proper legal process in the US, though "we would wish the detainees would be repatriated to Britain".

Legal limbo

A UK lawyer who represents British detainee Firoz Abassi and is familiar with the appeal says the US must end the captives' legal limbo.


"This is not about emotions, this is about international law," Louise Christian told Aljazeera.net."

"Either they should be treated as prisoners of war, who mustn't be questioned, and must either be released at the end of hostilities, or should be prosecuted for war crimes – or if they are connected to terrorism, they should be charged and prosecuted."

But the Guantanamo inmates have no idea of the arguments swirling around them because, as Christian points out, their correspondence with their families are censored and no mention of any legal process or challenge is allowed.

'Bad people'

US President George Bush has characterised the captives as "bad people" and illegal combatants, while Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld branded them "hard core, well trained terrorists".


The detentions are justified says
US Defence Secretary Rumsfeld


But according to US-based Human Rights Watch, these blanket characterisations disguise what is already known about many of the detainees.

Dozens of known non-combatants have been jailed after anti-Taliban forces in Afghanistan swept up civilians in a wide net in exchange for bounty payments.

These include farmers, taxi drivers and others with no ties to al-Qaida or the Taliban. Some have been released after apparently meaningless detention. A few of those released after a year or more in custody were in their eighties.

Fairness

A London lawyer monitoring the Guantanamo situation, Makboul Javaid, says Bush and Rumsfeld's controversial comments are likely to prejudice any trial the inmates may face later.

"There's a very great danger they would not face a fair trial," he told Aljazeera.net, "especially as those comments were well publicised and made by such high profile people.

Human Rights Watch also says at least three children between 13 and 15 years of age have been held for more than a year at Guantanamo, where an uncertain number of 16 and 17-year-olds are also jailed alongside adults – in contravention of international law.

"They should be released - they're children," said Javaid. "They should be handed back to their countries of origin and rehabilitated."

Whistler
01-12-2004, 08:00 AM
Poor Talibans.... http://www.wonderlandspace.com/music1.gif

aktarian
01-12-2004, 09:44 AM
Poor Talibans.... http://www.wonderlandspace.com/music1.gif

Like it or not, Taliban were soldiers of a government. That they weren't recognised as government of Afghanistan is irrelevant.

Al Qaida is another amtter.

scoone
01-12-2004, 09:55 AM
Perhaps they were soldiers but some are also part of a terrorist group.And Remember the guy from the USA who joined the talibans.

aktarian
01-12-2004, 10:41 AM
Perhaps they were soldiers but some are also part of a terrorist group.And Remember the guy from the USA who joined the talibans.

I said al Qaida is different. Taliban were governemnt in Afghanistan. They weren't recognised as such but were government in same way as there was US government when they rebelle from Britain and there was governemnt in CSA when they seceeded from USA. Taliban were soldiers, which gives them POW status. Now, if they comited crimes, violated Geenva conventions or whatever they should be put on trial. Same way as British couldn't shoot US rebels out of hand and Union troops couldn't shoot their rebels out of hand these Taliban troops should be either acused of crimes and put on trial or treated as POWs.

And that guy, Johnny Walker (?). You should consider that he joined Taliban (not Al Qaida) before US got involved in Afghanistan. I admit I don't know US laws regarding this type of situation but from my limited knowledge I don't think it was treason. If he was guilty of some other crimes (perhaps US laws forbid US citizens from fighting in armed forces other than US and he pleaded guilty there to get lighter sentence) I don't know.

usa320
01-12-2004, 04:14 PM
The taliban werent uniformed soldiers, so in theory i dont believe they are covered under the geneva convention.

The only thing that covers them is the patriot act.

:bash:

rofl

bastards. Strange thing is they dont even complain, they have gained weight since they got there. Its the civil liberties hippies and the mad liberal judges that bitch.

Whistler
01-12-2004, 05:35 PM
Poor Talibans.... http://www.wonderlandspace.com/music1.gif

Like it or not, Taliban were soldiers of a government. That they weren't recognised as government of Afghanistan is irrelevant.

Al Qaida is another amtter.

I agree...

But they aren't exactly colour coded. The Taliban fighters and Al Qaeda fighters look pretty similar.

The US has to put them SOMEWHERE while they figure out who is who. One thing that the media never seems to report is that detainees are being released almost daily, once the US is sure that they aren't a terrorist threat. They released a couple Canadians a few weeks ago...

As long as they aren't being shredded in Guantanamo I don't see the big human rights abuse problem. Actually, most detainees have GAINED an average of 13-15 lb from the time they were in Afghanistan until now.

There are far greater injustices being commited around the world, I don't have much tears to shed over Taliban and Al Qaeda fighters who are crying now that they've been caught.

One?
01-12-2004, 06:04 PM
Poor Talibans.... http://www.wonderlandspace.com/music1.gif

:bash: not all of them are taliban. Most of them were detained and taken there. When their time came for interrogation, there was nothing against them. Alot of detainees are being released because they had no connection with the taliban.


Basicaly if I was in afghanistan and I didn't like you, I'll just tell the US army that you used to work for the taliban. The next day you will be in gitmo.

aktarian
01-13-2004, 09:36 AM
The taliban werent uniformed soldiers, so in theory i dont believe they are covered under the geneva convention.

Uniform is very elastic term. Similary a lot of SF/SOF don't wear uniforms.





The only thing that covers them is the patriot act.

How? I'm asking this because I don't know, not because I want to start a flame war.