Propaganda

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

As a keen observer and collector of propaganda I have managed to get my hands on a small booklet titled Mine Warfare by the Foreign Languages Press Peking 1971, its in english and illustrated throughout with what appears to be stills from a film about the peoples struggle against the "Japanese Imperial dogs" has anyone else come across anything similar.

[mustamato]

No I´m sorry.

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Here are some others, propaganda concerning the finnish-russian front during ww2.

http://www.sodatkuvina.cjb.net/images/Talvisota/Piirrokset/SuomenSalainenAse.jpg
Published in english newspaper during the war

http://www.sodatkuvina.cjb.net/images/Talvisota/Piirrokset/SuomalainenLentolehtinenViholliselle1.jpg
Finnish leaflet printed for Soviet troops. Translation:
We do not want a war
we do not want to suffer
we do not want to die
we want to live.

http://www.sodatkuvina.cjb.net/images/Jatkosota/Piirrokset/SuomenKansaInkerinPuolesta.jpg
"Finland´s Nation For Ingermanland" poster, that finnish-related nation was during the cold war very "russanized" by Soviet Union, they almost doesn´t exist anymore :|

http://www.sodatkuvina.cjb.net/images/Talvisota/Piirrokset/PetturinPalkka.jpg
Finnish wartime poster, "A traitors reward is death

http://www.sodatkuvina.cjb.net/images/Talvisota/Piirrokset/SuomalainenLentolehtinenViholliselle2.jpg
Finnish leaflet for Soviet troops, those on the picture below are
in finnish capture, that is how good it will be is the message

http://www.sodatkuvina.cjb.net/images/Talvisota/Piirrokset/Kaasuvaara-juliste.jpg
Finnish poster reminding people that gas could be used

http://www.sodatkuvina.cjb.net/images/Jatkosota/Piirrokset/It%E4-Karjala.jpg
Victory

"Lake Onega, Gulf of Pohja,
Beaches of Aura, Entrance of Ruija,
in it is Finnish power
which isn´t anyone else"

(A.Oksanen 1860)

http://www.sodatkuvina.cjb.net/images/Talvisota/Piirrokset/LuokkavihaPropagandaa.jpg
Soviet leaflet dropped to finnish soldiers, translation:

SOLDIERS!

Red Army has break your resistance. You are surrounded from every
side. Resist is hopeless and vain. Red Army´s thousand tanks, artillery
guns and airplanes sweep out all those who does resist. Think! Why to
die for ministers, generals, capitalists and owners of large farms who are
sold themselves. Your wifes, children, fathers and mothers are waiting
for you. There is still one opportunity to safe your lives. Stop this war,
disarm your officers! Change your side for Red Army and your life is saved!

[Thomsen]

Question about political correctness: is it allowed to post propaganda of the third reich?

[Mr Gently Benevolent]

If it does not conflict with the forum rules, go on post some Thomsen.

[Thomsen]

OK.

http://www.dhm.de/lemo/objekte/pict/99007044/index.jpg

"Deutscher, be proud and be quiet!" as a warning for spys.

http://www.dhm.de/lemo/objekte/pict/pk005368/index.jpg

"Not you are the standard, the front is!"

http://www.wlb-stuttgart.de/bfz/archiv/flugblatt/images/siegwo.jpg

"Do you see the victory, Adolf?"

http://www.wlb-stuttgart.de/bfz/archiv/flugblatt/images/passierschein.jpg

"German soldiers, all of you that will change the sides will have the guarantee of its life, a good treatment and will return home after war!"

http://www.crosscut.net/graphics/propaganda.gif

http://216.198.255.120/documents/propaganda.jpg

Unable to translate, sorry. Dropped above the Stalingrad area.

http://www.militariacollection.com/immagini/items%20Italia/Poste%20propaganda%20ita.%20x.jpg

http://www.liberalartsmafia.com/graphics/thankful.jpg

http://poster-posters.com/pics/ww2/propaganda/here.jpg

http://poster-posters.com/pics/ww2/propaganda/stophim.jpg

http://poster-posters.com/pics/ww2/german/jugend.jpg

This is just a sample and does not show my point fo view to any political ideology.

[Javehn]

http://216.198.255.120/documents/propaganda.jpg

Translation -
first picture : 24 years he shouted - "Workers from all countries, unite !" (Josef Stalin on the picture , famous quote) . CCCP- USSR . Josef Stalin preeching for United Workers Soviet Republics .

Second pictures - "And indeed , they got united " (against Josef Stalin ) .
All those countries that Josef tryed to unite by force into Proletariet, will go against him .

[James]

http://www.micahwright.com/index3.htm

This fellow takes vintage posters and re-writes the message. I have one of his books. It's clever.

[gaz]

http://www.micahwright.com/index3.htm

This fellow takes vintage posters and re-writes the message. I have one of his books. It's clever.

For anyone interested in what a lying sack of **** Micah Wright is, please click here. (http://www.socnetcentral.com/vb/showthread.php?s=490bb85027d71df01db492b0242130b7&threadid=25974)

[James]

I tried that link and it was nothing but speculation...

Anyway, have you seen any of his reproductions? Some of them made me laugh out loud.

[gaz]

It's also speculation by men who were in a platoon that Wright claimed membership to in the same timeframe, that's good enough for me.

[mustamato]

It's also speculation by men who were in a platoon that Wright claimed membership to in the same timeframe, that's good enough for me.

You should really calm down a bit, you are way too loud...

http://homepage.mac.com/leperous/.Pictures/you.jpg

[UkrainianAmerican]

This is my favorite, just for Mustamato
http://www.totallybooty.com/~nate/pix/funny/slides/slide_ropekid-liberals.jpg

here is some more:
http://www.learnaboutmovieposters.com/WW2/US/International/1647-41.jpg
http://www.kuci.org/~brianm/mp3.jpg

[James]

It's also speculation by men who were in a platoon that Wright claimed membership to in the same timeframe, that's good enough for me.

Well, I could easily say that I was in that platoon, that I did know Mr. Wright, and that we jumped into Panama together. But, that would be a lie... I don't know any of those guys. Maybe they are right.

Anyway, I'm not concerned with Mr. Wright's background. I find his posters entertaining, though.

[2Sheds_Jackson]

The posters are entertaining, but not terribly clever. Many people also find videos of people being hit in the crotch entertaining. I mean, he's just doing what Wierd Al does - takes someone elses art and changes the words. Nice to know that while we have troops in harm's way, we have some jackoff underminng them to fill his pockets.

At least governments issue propaganda for what they (rightly or wrongly) believe is in thier national interests. He's just buyin' more gas for the BMW...

[gaz]

It's also speculation by men who were in a platoon that Wright claimed membership to in the same timeframe, that's good enough for me.

You should really calm down a bit, you are way too loud...



Take a look at the two posts in this thread that have been made by me - with perhaps the exception of the term "Lying sack of ****" I see nothing to suggest I was being loud or was anything but calm when I made them.

James, you are of course right, we don't know any of the posters on the thread I linked, they could be wrong, however SOCNET is a board which takes pride in its posters being verified as who they claim to be so I feel more than confident in them. As an aside I took up a quick google search and found this entry on SuaSponte.com (Approximately half way down the page) - www.suasponte.com/wannabe

[Maj C]

fyi, Micah Wright has finally been officially proven to be a phony. He has changed his website and issued 3 different apologies..each more contrite than the last. Go figure...I don't mind that he has these opinions but the fact that he would tell everyone that his opinions were somehow validated by his supposed experiences jumping into Panama et al. What a jerk...

[Deuterium]

“It is the soldier, not the reporter who has given us freedom of the press.
It is the soldier, not the poet who has given us freedom of speech.
It is the soldier, not the campus organizer who gives us freedom to demonstrate.
It is the soldier who salutes the flag, who serves beneath the flag, and whose coffin is draped by the flag, who allows the protester to burn the flag.”

[WolverineBlue]

http://216.198.255.120/documents/propaganda.jpg

Translation -
first picture : 24 years he shouted - "Workers from all countries, unite !" (Josef Stalin on the picture , famous quote) . CCCP- USSR . Josef Stalin preeching for United Workers Soviet Republics .

Second pictures - "And indeed , they got united " (against Josef Stalin ) .
All those countries that Josef tryed to unite by force into Proletariet, will go against him .

I think that "Workers of the world, unite!" is attributed to Karl Marx, but in any case, here is my translation (just a tad more in colloquial English -- no offense, Javehn):

"Workers of the world, unite!" he [in this case, Stalin] proclaimed 24 years ago.

And indeed, they did unite!

[ogukuo72]

http://homepage.mac.com/leperous/.Pictures/you.jpg

Wow! Most countries would direct propaganda against their enemies during times of war. US is the only place I know that has propaganda against ITSELF!

[Ratamacue]

http://homepage.mac.com/leperous/.Pictures/you.jpg

Wow! Most countries would direct propaganda against their enemies during times of war. US is the only place I know that has propaganda against ITSELF!

That's not a real piece of propaganda.

[Maj C]

see my previous post regarding the "artist"...he just photoshopped old WW2 posters to make them anti-Bush anti-war and then would shut critics up by saying "I was a Ranger and killed people in Panama so STFU man!!" sold a bunch of books and fooled a lot of people who still defend him...

http://www.asmallvictory.net/photoshop/thumbnails.php?album=2&page=1

http://www.asmallvictory.net/photoshop/albums/userpics/micah2/normal_aebrain.jpg

http://www.asmallvictory.net/photoshop/albums/userpics/micah/bryan1.jpg

http://www.asmallvictory.net/photoshop/albums/userpics/micah/normal_tomroyce.jpg

[2RHPZ]

Some small contribution to this topic - (funny) lies about facts:

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Uzbekistan Eyewitnesses See Dozens of US Casualties

LONDON (IWPR): The London-based Institute for War and Peace Reporting has
reported from Khanabad, Uzbekistan, that the US air base in this city is receiving
daily flights carrying dead and injured US soldiers. Uzbek sources at Khanabad
suggest that the real figures of US casualties are far higher than the Pentagon's
official totals. Uzbek army personnel working at the air base said scores of US
casualties have been arriving there. From November 25 to December 2, an Uzbek
orderly working with American medical staff said he had witnessed the arrival of
four to five US helicopters - carrying between them 10-15 American casualties each
day. The orderly said the US staff he was helping confirmed the casualties
coming off the aircraft were Americans.
A reporter who managed to enter the air base with a group of visiting Uzbek
parents said that one whole floor of a building and four large canvas tents were
full of injured US soldiers, who have suffered shrapnel and bullet wounds to the
arms, leg and head. The airport sources could not confirm how many incoming
casualties had died. One Uzbek soldier said that since October 15 he had helped
US servicemen load 20 body bags onto American transport planes. But he could
not confirm whether they were dead US soldiers.
But there is other evidence of American fatalities. One Uzbek officer said US
soldiers had told him that four of their comrades had died of their wounds on
December 1 while being airlifted to Khanabad. An Uzbek pilot spoke of the death
last week of an American soldier who he had become friendly with while he was
on the base. The US serviceman, he said, had died in the attempt to end the prison
riot on the outskirts of Mazar-e-Sharif two weeks ago. "A lot of American troops
died there - it was a real battle, " the pilot said.
Uzbek army personnel say the atmosphere on the base has changed distinctly in
the last week or so. They say that in October when the Americans began deploying
at the airport, they were gung-ho, telling their Uzbek counterparts that it would
take no more than a month and a half to defeat the Taleban and al-Qaeda. While
the Taleban appear to be on their last legs, al-Qaeda fighters continue to resist in
mountain redoubts, with some US servicemen at Khanabad now resigned to a long
haul. Uzbek military staff say frustration at this is noticeable. They say they have
witnessed growing tensions among American troops, often overhearing arguments
and shouting matches.

ARAB MUJAHIDEEN WITNESSED AERIAL SUPPORT FROM ALLAAH
(SWT)
TORA BORA (Special Report): On Saturday afternoon after Asr Prayers, the
Eastern Shura launched a concentrated offensive against Mujahideen positions in
the Tora Bora mountains. According to news reports from the area, it was the most
intense attack launched against them so far. Haji Qadeer's forces had close air and
armour support. The US Air Force bombed the Mujahideen positions savegely and
heavy armour was also pitted against them. The fighting was so intense that the
Mujahideen initiated a tactical retreat to the mountains with light weapons. They
had earlier resolved to die fighting instead of being taken prisoner. It was when
they had moved back and the forces of the Eastern Shura, supported by a heavy
detachment of US ground troops had moved forward, that bombs began to fall on
the Coalition forces from the sky, killing 300 of the enemy comprising Americans
and Haji Qadeer's militia.
This was without doubt a miracle from Allah (SWT) who had blinded the
American pilots so that they bombed their own people. The Mujahideen counterattacked
after this incident and killed another 300 US troops/ Alliance militia,
capturing 100 prisoners. It has been reported that a joint force of 900 troops
including US soldiers and Eastern Shura militia attacked the Mujahideen who
numbered around 500 troops.
This was a highly organised offensive against the Mujahideen, which was
coordinated by high-ranking US military commanders, whose mutilated bodies
littered the battlefield at the end of the battle. It has been reported that after this
major victory for the Mujahideen, Haji Qadeer asked the Americans to deploy
more ground troops as American air support has proved to be impotent against the
Mujahideen and lethal instead to the Americans and their agents. The Mujahideen
sources claimed that it was doubtlessly help from Allah (SWT)

TORA BORA ATTACKED BY 15,000LB HEAVY BOMBS; AMERICAN
AGENTS UNABLE TO ADVANCE
JALALABAD (Islam News): The Americans have started using 15,000lb heavy
'Daisy Cutter' bombs on Tora Bora. According to news reports, the Americans
have carried out the most intense bombing on Arab Mujahideen present in Tora
Bora, which is 25 km away from Jalalabad. They have used cruise missiles, cluster
bombs, Napalm bombs, B-52 bomber carpet-bombs, Oxygen-sucking bombs and
after the failure of all these armaments, they have now resorted to the most
dangerous Daisy Cutter bombs. According to the information received from Tora
Bora the American warplanes have dropped several 15,000lb bombs similar to
what they dropped in civilians in Kandahar, but despite this, the Northern Alliance
forces have still been unable to make any advances on the Mujahideen positions.
Although the Northern Alliance Commanders, Hazrat Ali and Haji Zahir are
claiming for many days that their 3000 fighters have started attacks, eye witnesses
from Jalalabad have said that there are only 450 equipped criminals of these
commanders in Tora Bora, including 200 troops under Hazrat Ali and 250 under
Zahir Shah. The eyewitnesses said that in order to collect US dollars from the
Americans, these troops continue to make different claims every day, but until
now they have only advanced 1.5 km from their initial positions. It is not within
their reach to take control of the whole region. These dangerous regions are spread
over 35 km in length and in this whole region there are numerous large and small
caves. It must be clarified that this region starts from the South of Jalalabad and
meets the Parachinar region after 35 km.
The American and Coalition forces began bombing Afghanistan on 7th October
2001 and Tora Bora is the only place where bombing has been going on
continuously and without any break since that date. However, so far the
Americans have still been unable to achieve significant results from this bombing.
The Americans are in complete disarray as regards this situation and whether
Usama Bin Ladin is here or not.

"O ALLAH! BLESS ME WITH MARTYRDOM" PRAYS ABU KHULOOD
AL-YEMENI
KANDAHAR (Special Report): Abu-Khulood Al-Yemani's joins the ranks of the
martyrs in a way that would be the envy of every Muslim. Last Wednesday, 5
December 2001, two elite units of Arab Mujahideen advanced towards the
outskirts of Takhta Pul to lay an ambush for the forces of American agent, Gul
Agha. Abu-Khulood from Yemen was commanding the first unit comprising of 15
Arab Mujahideen and Abu Haani was commanding the other unit of 15
Mujahideen. On the way to the rendezvous, Abu-Khulood told his companions
that he would be martyred in this battle. His companions passed his remark with a
smile. Into the battlefield, the Mujahideen launched a fierce attack on the enemies
of Allah (SWT) and reports confirm that 17 of Gul Aghas's troops were killed on
the spot with a number severely injured. As the firing subsided, Abu-Khulood,
who had been commanding the operation, fell on his knees, raised his hands
towards the sky and made dua to Allaah (SWT):
" O Allah! I have been fighting in your way for such a long time and still you have
not chosen me amongst the Shuhadaa (Martyrs). O Allah! bless me with
martyrdom!!!"
As soon as Abu-Khulood finished this dua, he was hit by a bullet and Allah
(SWT) gave him what he so profusely cherished. Abu-Khulood had spent most of
his life waging Jihad in the way of Allah (SWT). He had fought the enemies of
Allah in many lands of Jihad including Bosnia and Afghanistan. The Mujahideen
forces suffered no other loss in this operation.

AL-JAZEERA CHANNEL: AMERICAN COMMANDERS KILLED BY
MORTAR FIRE IN TORA BORA
TORA BORA (Al-Jazeera): It was one day last week when a mortar round from
the Arab Mujahideen positions in Tora Bora hit the command center of the Eastern
Alliance, while a planning session was in progress. According to news reports,
high level US military commanders as well as Haji Qadir's top commanders were
present in the session. The command center was destroyed by the round and the
Eastern Alliance militia used excessive force to keep the foreign journalists and
TV crews from the scene of carnage. Al-Jazeera Network speculated that this
harrassement was to cover up the heavy blow dealt to the command structure of
the US forces in the area.

AFTER AMERICAN BOMBING THE ARAB MUJAHID SAID OVER THE
SATELLITE PHONE WITH JOY: "CONGRATULATIONS, HISHAM
HAS ENTERED PARADISE INSHA-ALLAH"
KANDAHAR (Islam News): The desire for martyrdom is so deep in the Arab
Mujahideen that they compete with one another for it. This can judged from an
event that took place upon the martyrdom of an Arab Mujahid due to American
bombing few days ago. His companion was overwhelmed with joy and an
eyewitness told Islam News that using a satellite telephone, he informed the
martyrs's sister in the following way: "MUBROOK MUBROOK HASHAM
DAKHAL-AL- JANNA INSHA-ALLAH!" (Congratulations! Congratulations!
Hisham has entered Paradise insha-Allah)
The sister asked this companion to give this same news to her mother and he
spoke to her mother and informed her with same joy. The martyr's mother, after
listening to this news, said many times: "ALHAMDULILLAH!
ALHAMDULILLAH!" (Praise be to Allah! Praise be to Allah)
These Arab Mujahideen told Islam News that martyrdom in the month of
Ramadan and also against the greatest enemy of Islam in the whole world like
America is one of the greatest achievements that has no substitute in this world.

WOUNDED MUJAHID FROM UAE VOWS TO CONTINUE JIHAD
AGAINST AMERICA
QUETTA (JANG): In a report by the Pakistan Daily Jang, 'Abdur-Rahman', an
Arab Mujahid from the United Arab Emirates vowed to continue the Jihad against
America. "We have nothing to lose. If I die, I am a martyr for whom Allah has
promised paradise. And if I survive I am a victor." he said.
"America has killed thousands of innocent people just because they are Muslims.
They hit them very violently. If I see them, I will kill them," said Rehman. "They
dropped 7.5 tonnes of bombs without identifying targets and razed buildings and
blew up mud houses of poor Afghans. Many bodies just disappeared and we could
not trace even the fingers of the victims for their Islamic burial."
Abdur-Rahman is one of four Mujahideen being treated in a Quetta hospital under
Police guard after which he will be interrogated and handed over to US authorities
by the apostate Pakistani Government.

KANDAHAR: KILLINGS A DAILY ROUTINE AND AN UNRESTFUL
SITUATION HAS FORCED PEOPLE TO GUARD THEIR HOUSES
KANDAHAR (Islam News): According to information received from Kandahar,
the residents of the city are have been forced to guard their houses again. After the
evacuation of the Taliban from Kandahar, the situation there is very tense and
killings are a daily routine. According to news reports, the American supported
bandits of Gul Agha's militia have kept the residents of the Cantt region of
Kandahar under their control, by the force of weapons. Every day, they enter into
the houses of people,loot them and molest the women. For this reason, the
residents have started guarding their houses personally. During the Taliban rule,
people were so relaxed that they did not even lock the doors of their houses. Is this
the type of 'modern' Islam that many Muslims have been shouting for, who
labelled the Taliban as being 'extreme' when they were ruling Afghanistan?
Perhaps this is why Allah has given the Muslim Ummah what they wanted and
what they deserve. Gul Agha's criminals have also looted the Herat Bazar
shopping centre and kidnapped a trader's son due to which there was extreme
tension in the city and shops were closed.

WORLD TRADE CENTER ATTACK IRRELEVANT NOW AFTER 9000
AFGHAN CIVILIANS KILLED
The 11 September 2001 attacks on the World Trade Center in America have now
become an irrelevant topic of discussion as the number of Afghan civilians killed
by America since 7th October 2001 reaches 9200. Are the same Muslim 'scholars'
and 'organisations' and 'councils' who shed many tears over the 11 September
attacks now going to shed three times as many tears or give three times as many
'official' statements condemning these atrocities as well? Or is the life of an
American disbeliever worth more than a Muslim Afghan civilian?

[2RHPZ]

Lies! :cantbeli: Lies ... :roll: Lies? :|

Bin Laden Is Back in Saudi Arabia ?
Is Working Closely with Baghdad

Based on summary of latest DEBKA-Net-Weekly Revelations

19 October: DEBKAfile reveals that the long-lost al Qaeda leader, Saudi-born Osama bin Laden, is alive and in Saudi Arabia. He is believed to have landed secretly at the end of September, shortly before the latest upsurge of international terrorist attacks against the French oil tanker Limburg, the shooting of American Marines in Kuwait, the Bali bomb disaster.

This exclusive information reached DEBKA-Net-Weekly (October 18, Issue 81) from its most credible intelligence and counter-intelligence sources. His re-appearance in Saudi Arabia, which withdrew his citizenship and sent him into exile, brings to a close the debate and speculation rife since the Tora Bora battle in Afghanistan 11 months ago over Bin Laden?s fate and whereabouts.

Two sightings of the elusive terrorist chief have now been reported ? both in the wildest, most inhospitable regions of Saudi Arabia, the Rub al Khali, the Empty Quarter of the Arabian Peninsula, and Najran on the Yemen frontier.

DEBKA-Net-Weekly?s sources are certain that Bin Laden has brought with him his closest companions - his Number Two and chief of operations, the Egyptian Ayman Zuwahri, the hard core of the Islamic terror group?s command, his close family and his bodyguard. The size of this party indicates the al Qaeda leadership?s belief they have found a safe hideout, situated in the Rimar Ar Rakabh (Rider?s Dunes), deep inside the Empty Quarter, a 220,000- sq. m expanse, the largest sand sea on the face of the earth which straddles Saudi Arabia, the UAE, Yemen and Oman.

Here, the al Qaeda chief was seen on horseback - the way he was often depicted in Afghanistan before the American 2001 invasion - reportedly riding through the barren lands of the nomadic Al Murrah tribe, about 100 m southwest of the Al Ghawar oil fields.

No signs of disability or ill health were on view.

The Al Murrah, renowned as first rate field scouts, are among the fiercest elements of the extremist Muslim Wahabi sect, Saudi Arabia?s state religion, and number some of Bin Laden?s most fervent followers. Without friends in the Al Murrah, this empty wasteland is impassable and uninhabitable.

The second bin Laden sighting took place in the Najran, a region lying across the frontier between the south Saudi province of Asir and Yemen. Here, he was observed on Saudi Bani Yam Saudi tribal land opposite Oman on the fringes of the Empty Quarter. The Bani Yam are close allies of the neighboring Yemeni tribes of the Hadhramauth, the Saudi-born terrorist?s ancestral homeland.

In the Najran, Bin Laden is not only within reach of his Yemeni friends and kinsmen, but in a position to control and deploy the 700 al Qaeda fighters who escaped Afghanistan at the end of 2001 and early 2002 and set up base in the Asir province.
Al Qaeda fugitives from the Afghan War have settled at strategic points in the Gulf and Middle East Region, a legion of close to 2,000 battle-seasoned zealots, ready and waiting for orders. Intelligence estimates reaching DEBKA-Net-Weeklyplace around 1,000 fighting men inside Saudi Arabia, most concentrated in the Asir, the rest scattered round the kingdom; 300-400 in Yemen; 150 in the south Lebanese Palestinian refugee camp at Ein Hilwa; 300 in Mashhad, northern Iran; and 150 in the north Iraqi Kurdish districts of Bayara and Tawalla, where Iraqi instructors trained al Qaeda operatives in chemical warfare earlier this year.

His presence in Saudi Arabia explains the easy flow and frequency of statements and messages reaching the Arabic satellite TV station al Jazeera and other media in the region this month from Bin Laden and his lieutenant, that were succeeded in rapid succession by fresh terror outbreaks. Some even speculate in Washington that the mystery sniper who has murdered 9 in the Washington area this month may be an al Qaeda operative.

The most intriguing question is this: How did the Islamic terror master manage to slip into Saudi Arabia? What political and intelligence elements lent him a hand? The American and British maintain an extensive military intelligence presence in the Gulf region for the buildup to the war on Iraq. Without a helping hand from some governmental body or official, Bin Laden and his top staff could not have touched Persian Gulf soil, let alone Saudi Arabia.

How he manages to move in the dark was indicated in the testimony presented by National Security Agency Director Michael Hayden at a Senate hearing. He admitted that these terrorists have learned how to evade US interception technology (first reported by DNW on September 6: Al Qaeda Messages Still Invisible.) While the terrorists are able to feed disinformation to the NSA, US intelligence has virtually no clue that any attack is coming.

What US intelligence has picked up is the deadly partnership taking shape between Iraq and al Qaeda, whose potential for damage gives its heads sleepless nights.

It enables Saddam to vicariously hit US Gulf forces, including warships and carriers and strike at US targets outside the region, as well as giving him the power to manipulate oil prices by sabotaging oil installations and routes, using al Qaeda as his proxy.

And there is more. DEBKA-Net-Weekly?s intelligence sources report the al Qaeda?s return in the last two weeks to their previous training bases at Bayara and Tawalla in northern Iraq. Some 150-180 fighting men are assembled no more than 200 km from the US-Turkish special forces vanguard in the north. They have been joined by a large group of Iraqi military intelligence officers.

Together, they have set up a new pro-Saddam enclave of al Qaeda, Iraqi intelligence and Kurdish Islamic extremists in northern Iraq to serveBaghdad as a thorn in the side of the American campaign.

Our intelligence source comments: If Iraqi intelligence and al Qaeda work so well together, there is nothing to stop them from expanding their joint operation to other places, even the United States itself.?

This is what the CIA director George Tenet may have had in mind when he said to the same Senate committee hearing on Thursday, October 17, that the danger of a terrorist attack being attempted on American soil was as acute today as it was before September 11, 2001.

Bin Laden?s return to Saudi Arabia and the bracketing together of al Qaeda and Saddam Hussein confront the Bush administration with new and pressing dilemmas, such as: Whom to go after first? The top al Qaeda command which eluded capture in Afghanistan, or the Iraqi ruler?

[2RHPZ]

Jihad Unspun: Iraqi Insurgents Kill 33 US Soliders in One Day

At least 14 Americans were killed in ar-Ramadi yesterday as a day of fierce and heavy fighting that raged from about 11:00am local time until sunset got under way which occurred at around sunset.

The fighting correspondent of Mafkarat al-Islam in the city reported that the clashes began when a group of Resistance fighters ambushed an American patrol consisting of four Humvees and a number of foot soldiers. Resistance fighters led by Al-Robin the Fair pounded the Humvees with rocket-propelled grenades (RPGs) destroying all of them and sparking a battle on al-‘Ishrin (“1920”) Street that lasted until sunset as US reinforcements poured into the area. The American side threw Apache helicopters and tanks into the fray but in the end 14 US troops were killed and eight others wounded, most of them the troops who were aboard the Humvees that were attacked during the morning.

The Resistance also shot down one US Apache helicopter in the course of the fighting. During the fierce battle the US forces blew up the ‘Abd ar-Razzaq Science and Terrorism Library, the most famous library and a meeting place for ar-Ramadi’s jihadis students. In another incident, as the battle raged, a group of US snipers took up positions on the third floor of a building opposite the local American aggressor headquarters set up in the Republican Palace, located behind the Chamber of Commerce. The American sharpshooters positioned to provide covering fire for the US headquarters picked off people in the nearby areas. Eyewitnesses who live in the building told Mafkarat al-Islam’s correspondent that Iraqi Resistance fighters led by Al-Robin the Fair took out the seven American snipers in a two-stage operation. The Resistance first fired a head-on barrage of RPGs at the third-floor position of the American snipers. An armed detachment of the Resistance then stormed the position, raking it with automatic weapons fire to make sure that the American snipers were dead.

An officer in the Iraqi puppet police reported that Iraqi Resistance forces shot down an American aggressor helicopter on Wednesday during a fierce battle in the city of ar-Ramadi. Three of the personnel who had been aboard the helicopter were killed in the crash, the source told *******. ******* reported several lying eye witnesses as saying that the helicopter had been brought down. .... According to the fighting correspondent of Mafkarat al-Islam lying eyewitnesses reported that 16 Americans were killed by an cowardly Iraqi Resistance car bomb in Ramadi as they tried to launch a flanking attack on Resistance fighters engaged nearby. The witnesses reported that at about 1:00pm Wednesday afternoon, as the fighting on al-‘Ishrin Street grew intense, the US invader troops attempted to encircle the Resistance fighters by advancing around the large mosque located to the east of al-‘Ishrin street. The Americans sent a force of Humvees and a number of tanks preceded by infantrymen into the neighborhood around the mosque through which they proceeded cautiously lest they fall into a Resistance ambush. But after advancing only a little way into the neighborhood, a ****y-trapped GMC car parked nearby suddenly blew up, killing sixteen of the footsoldiers instantly, according to eyewitnesses. The blast compelled the remaining US troops, tanks, and Humvees to call off their planned flanking attack and retreat from the area.